There's almost too much news to handle right now about the Duke and Duchess of Sussex's decision to remove themselves from Royal life.
Will they be able to take their titles with them as they live part time in the UK and part time in North America? Will they be able to take the Duchy of Cornwall's money with them?
And since Meg has departed for Canada and left Harry behind in the UK (and has been photograped not wearing her wedding rings) is the marriage finished?
And what about Archie?
Let's discuss in this second open post.
Will they be able to take their titles with them as they live part time in the UK and part time in North America? Will they be able to take the Duchy of Cornwall's money with them?
And since Meg has departed for Canada and left Harry behind in the UK (and has been photograped not wearing her wedding rings) is the marriage finished?
And what about Archie?
Let's discuss in this second open post.
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Her Royal Skankiness
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All of you have such excellent contributions - the Love or Loathe video was EXCELLENT (highly recommend)
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I know I keep mentioning the dumb narcissist multi-millionaire I dated - the reason is because his behavior was so astonishing.
Among normal people (most of us!), certain immature or inappropriate behavior is simply UNFATHOMABLE in a grown adult person in their late 30s or 40s.
But yet - the most amazing pouting tantrums came from this person I dated. The most embarrassing and abhorrent behavior - even in public amongst others!
By which one can gather that YES - adult humans can be crazy short sighted and stupid. I agree with Longview's perspective on how MM probably sees this whole thing being about how the BRF cannot manage without her.
Prince was in a league of his own. One which the Sussexes could never aspire to.
Btw, there is a nonstop BA flight from Heathrow to Vancouver, 9 hours 40 minutes which isn’t bad at all... assume they use the curvature of the earth since that is less time than it takes me to get from middle America to one of my sisters on the west coast.
Hoooo boy she's the new DD/TP1 - she's dropping some good juice.
Internet sleuths have decided the baby came from Turkey, presumably they believe they have found the couple.
Look here: https://twitter.com/lilavarisi/status/1215675000881131520/photo/1
There they are with Meghan together at Christmas, presumably from a past year. This is the same guy the rest of Twitter has identified as the Turkish father (woman is his wife, she is an influencer, her hair is now much longer than in that photo).
I'm not saying it's true, I'm just reporting the latest & greatest here on Nutty Flavor - all flavors for all nuts.
https://twitter.com/lilavarisi/status/1215675000881131520
Megs: Your "Turkey" family♡ Arent you lucky... for now.
(Is it all going to finally come out?)
Re visas for Turkey - tourist visas are not really the kind of visa you imagine, where you have to apply in advance/go to the consulate. In Turkey, you can generally fly/sail in and then pay a fee at Passport Control. Last time I went to Turkey, we got the ferry over from Greece and paid 10 Euro.
Ye Gods! That Twitter a/c suggests the situation's every bit as bad as we feared. Is she on the run?
Your comment here appeared before I posted my conjectures about Meghan's extremely hasty (48 hours?) return to Canada and the fate of Archie.
>>>Let's not forget that an heir to the throne has been removed from Britain. And the royal family has let that happened.
I guarantee Archie will never return to Britain and sad as it is, he will end up damaged with a dreadful life ahead of him, because he will be brought up by two substance affected, mentally damaged parents who think only of themselves and are happy to use him as a merchandising and money making tool.
How did the RF let the child be removed from Britain, and was it on a British passport?<<<
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When the dust settles, I think we will find that no heirs to the throne have been removed from Britain, except Harry, an adult man (allegedly) and by his own stubborn choice. I do not believe the RF allowed a child to be removed from Britain, on any passport.
Given the vindictive nature of a violent narcissist, who is documented to have verbally and physically abused staff over being thwarted in very minor matters, *if* (very big IF in my opinion) there is a child being raised (nominally) by Harry and Meghan, the RF did not allow the couple to remove him from the UK and royal oversight. I think the chances are very real and likely that Meg could hurt a baby without remorse in order to hurt Harry. Absolutely. At best, the Narkles *appear* to be negligent parents, usually appearing drunk/chemically altered or else so busy with their various woke agendas that they are not home with the baby for hours or days at a time as they jet hither and yon. Until Meg gets bored, having merched enough photos and declares it 'Feed time'.
If this woman is a mother, I am a flying yak.
The 6- or 7 depending on your count hiatus from royal duties was in my opinion forced 'garden leave'--what companies give to underperforming employees, ofren on the basis of mental health, before officially terminating them. The Harkles were banned from all the festive Christmas Royal activities, thwarting MM's plans to merch relentlessly and paw Catherine at the Christmas Day walk.
During their "vacation" they got loaded every day and nursed their revenge in the form of this website and the circus at the Canadian embassy. If their 'break' was punishment, they didn't have any baby with them, regardless of how they spun it as family time. I think the Christmas card is proof of that. That was a terrible drunk/high at 4AM effort by Meghan. Janina Gavankar has been duly Markled.
Meghan is no longer welcome in the UK and is banned. William would have personally escorted her to Heathrow in the trunk of a Royal Land Rover, but he was otherwise occupied in sitting on his little brother and giving him Indian burns.
They will be obliged to domicile Harry in the UK so long as he remains in the succession/a Counsellor of State, as far as I understand it, unless he agrees to formally abdicate those titles. He may not do so right away but I think they will keep working on him. Maybe, once Meg has run through all of his inheritance (I give that 2 years), he will come crawling back and agree to trade his titles and place in the succession for more cash.
They do not, as I understand it, have to domicile *her*. She is constitutionally a non-entity. She may stay the Duchess of Sussex, but it will be in exile like the Duchess of Windsor, who was never received at court or permitted into the UK until she arrived in a box.
If, post-separation, the world actually sees daily photos of Archie merching adorable toddler outfits and video of the happy, woke FREE couple enjoying their freedom with their child, I may reconsider my current belief that if there is a child called Archie, he is not with Meg now, nor was he there in Canada. It would have been a very simple matter to take a stock photo of a view near Vancouver and superimpose a baby and Harry onto it. Check out Haz's thumb against the baby in that photo and get back to me.
I think Meg has lost her bargaining chip in Archie.
I suppose the Duchess of Sussex can testify in her ongoing legal dustup with the Mail via Skype if it is deemed necessary. If Harry's gonna have to pay court costs and lawyers' fees out of his Diana inheritance, let's just see how long they opt to keep it going. I think we are going to read very shortly that the media lawsuits 'have been settled out of court.'
And @Nutty wow! Hard to believe but it would be amazing if true
‘Although Prince Harry is a bit of a dolt, the rest of his family knew that Markle was a problem from the beginning.’
Will the royal family allow her and him to monetise on their title or will they lose their valuable cachet? I’m hoping we’ll know a bit more in a few days. As many others have said already it’s very difficult to know how this could end up...again I feel like the world is watching my country when we have far important things to concern us.
https://blindgossip.com/her-own-game/
Well, if true Harry really is following in Diana's footsteps.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7873951/Meghan-Markle-Prince-Harry-post-new-pictures-visit-Grenfell-kitchen-five-days-ago.html
Many here have commented on how much thinner Harry looks, and how much hair he's lost. For someone who just spent 7 weeks on vacay, allegedly with his wife, all the while putting together these plans for their "independence," wouldn't you expect him to come back looking fresh and rejuvenated? He looks thin, sick and pale. He looks like someone who's been put through the wringer and come out broken. He does NOT look like a man who is on the brink of independence, he looks like a man on the brink of death. Maybe he did learn that Archie wasn't his...he knew all about the surrogate, but always thought his contribution was used.
I do wonder if what others here have opined may in fact be true, as MM left, she hit the button to release the "Markle Manifesto" and Harry too was blindsided.
I just do not know what to make of all of this, and I have a very hard time believing that Harry would disobey his grandmother like he did, and destroy any remaining relationship with his father/brother this way. I truly do not see how he can ever have a relationship with this family ever again. I'm sure it's all wishful thinking, but she's been known to be evil in the past, so why not truly diabolical?
>>>I agree with @Hikari: If Harry was at Frogmore negotiating, she was there with him and there is no way they could have shut her out (which they would have wanted to do). If she did leave 'to get back to Archie in Canada', she was forced to leave (gosh, that would have been awkward), or got the deal she came for then left, or realised she was not going to get the deal she came for so abandoned the process, or was lured away with the promise of a huge deal (so big that she thought that whatever the outcome of the negotiations, it did not matter).<<<
I think a few burly Beefeaters or fit RPOs can keep out one petite woman who doesn't look like she's got any muscular strength at all . . . No way was Meg going to be permitted to take over these talks or verbally abuse the Queen. I think after the visit to Canada House, she was met by emissaries of the Queen wherever she was staying, allowed to change out of her sweat-soaked attire and perhaps shower, and pack a bag, and was escorted back to the airport.
It was rather sporting of the Narkles to play along with the ongoing fiction that their family home is at Frogmore Cottage. Apart from Archie, this is the other big scam we can't seem to get to the bottom of.
In any case, the Queen is now at Sandringham and that's where the 'summit' is being held. Maybe Haz has been trussed up like a turkey and everyone present is taking a turn lobbing rotten fruit at him. Nothing too hard; the boy's already sustained enough brain damage, as his current behavior shows.
/Uhtred was mighty tasty.
Crazy Days and Nights Enty
Harry has wanted to leave the BRF for years. He admits his granny talked him out of it years ago, so he thinks ok, I’ve got no wife, no kids sure I’ll stay.
He meets MM and she has cut her people out of her life and to him is a strong and independent woman. He wants what she has— freedom from his family and she can be the one to help him achieve it. He marries her.
All is good and well and they are supporting the queen and then there is a baby on scene. Harry spirals. He doesn’t want his child to live in a gilded cage, he doesn’t want his child to have his childhood (which is irrational) and he wants out for all of them.
He eggs her on and is with her on all the decisions. They hire sunshine sacs and Sarah Latham to get things rolling and now here we are...
Harry will always have a relationship with his family in that if he lives outside of the UK, there will be family members who will visit him, and when he visits the UK, he will be received by them and even be seen with them at public events. The relationship may not be a close one, but they will not ghost him at all. (Can I give a snippet from a tarot reading? Yeah, go on! It will take a few years and maybe even five, but Harry will reconcile with William, sans Meghan of course. Another snippet from a tarot reading? Yeah, why not! When Harry finally does take off his rose-tinted glasses, aka after Meghan dumps him, he will apologise to the British people. Fingers crossed folks ... and, of course, it means there are many more episodes to watch in this drama.)
MM wants to be a classier version of Kardashian. That's her goal.
He isn't leaving the royal family though. He's planning to keep almost all royal funding, his royal titles, his royal protection and the home loaned to him by the queen. He and his wife just want to use their royal titles - what else do they have to offer? - to make a ton of money while being unconstrained by royal protocol.
If he genuinely wanted to leave the royal family, renouncing all titles and funding, I'd stand up and applaud him. But that is very clearly not what he wants.
They both want to do good in the world. I’m not suggesting this is true altruism; it could also be hubris. They want to make indelible marks in this world with their name. They want Bill Gates money so they can have a foundation on the level of Bill and Melinda Gates foundation where they can do something HUGE like how the Gates are wiping out childhood illnesses through vaccines.
This would give them global superstar status and give them worldwide respect and admiration...
*****daydreaming by Tatty. Tatty is just throwing stuff out there she has thought about on occasion. Tatty doesn’t suggest she is correct. Tatty could be wrong. You don’t have to like it or agree with it. Tatty doesn’t mind. This is addressed to no one in particular****
I note references to 'alliterate royal and husband' and to 'the couple' but zero mention of a baby/Archie. If they REALLY stayed at the House that Geffen Brokered, they weren't there prior to December 19/20, a month after 'their break' started. So where were they the rest of the time? Multiple cities (L.A., Toronto, Vancouver) with a baby and two dogs seems too unwieldy, even flying PJ like the eco-warriors they are.
Some hastily arranged PR from Megsie in the last few days of the year (Security fence! Deep Cove Chalet flap! Random act of humanitarianism helping a COMPLETELY RANDOM couple in the woods take a camera phone picture.
People were rather hoping that Haz was receiving help for his chemical dependency at the nearby treatment centre, but going by his haggard appearance at CH, this is not a man who has been resting or pursuing a healthy lifestyle anywhere. He's aged more than 10 years in about 10 months, I'd say and he looks the worst he has ever been.
This would be the chance fate is offering him to break free from his Narc forever--she's out of the country and can't come back to hurt him if HM has revoked the visa. Perhaps that was a lynchpin of the RF strategy. Once separated, they will employ counter-interrogation methods on Haz to deprogram him out of this crazy ass scheme.
Being 'shocked' at anything this couple does is so 2017, I'd have thought. Shock is not a useful emotion. Incandescent rage on the other hand, can be very energizing.
If Meg turns up in a few days clutching Archie in duly documented pap photos I will have to eat these words, but for now this is my working hypothesis.
"She may stay the Duchess of Sussex, but it will be in exile like the Duchess of Windsor, who was never received at court or permitted into the UK until she arrived in a box."
The Duchess of Windsor did visit the UK before her death. She attended the Duke's funeral in 1972. The TV footage of that showed the only time the Queen, the Queen Mother and Duchess of Windsor in the same place. She was also permitted by prior arrangement to visit his grave which she did until she became too frail. The condition to that was her visits were never publicised, it only became known after her death in 1986.
They are nearly 40 years old. What 'good' have they done for the past few decades? Harry had Invictus and the other royal charities, but all the real work was done by others and he just made the odd appearance to give himself some sort of purpose. Meghan was a D list actress whose sideline was trying to flog tat on the internet. They don't sound like the kind of people for whom helping others is a goal in life.
And Bill Gates money? Are you having a laugh?
I have also thought that the reason for NOW is that Harry can go for settlement of Charles’ duchy money (or personal if he can’t touch the duchy)(say that a bunch of times lol... can’t touch the duchy). Once Will gets it, no cash flow.
So I suspect timing is everything here.
When Wils is Prince of Wales, the Duchy of Cornwall money will go to supporting his children, not his siblings. Harry would be funded by the Duchy of Lancaster, like the queen's children - other than Charles - are now. That's if he's still a member of the royal family by then.
Again, it’s my daydreaming.... I do suspect they expect to be successful and mega wealthy and “do good in the world” as Harry has been quoted many times as saying..,
@Sandie,
>>Harry will always have a relationship with his family in that if he lives outside of the UK, there will be family members who will visit him, and when he visits the UK, he will be received by them and even be seen with them at public events. The relationship may not be a close one, but they will not ghost him at all. (Can I give a snippet from a tarot reading? Yeah, go on! It will take a few years and maybe even five, but Harry will reconcile with William, sans Meghan of course. Another snippet from a tarot reading? Yeah, why not! When Harry finally does take off his rose-tinted glasses, aka after Meghan dumps him, he will apologise to the British people. Fingers crossed folks ... and, of course, it means there are many more episodes to watch in this drama.)<<<
I agree that the Family will never entirely ghost Harry. He will be free to visit the UK whenever he wishes and attend the state funerals which will be an inevitability. Some of the items in his list of demands will be granted--for him alone, such as housing in England. It's rather more doubtful that Wills would bring his children to visit with Uncle Harry in some far flung foreign location, because Harry was banned from visiting his nephews and niece when he lived a stone's throw away at NottCott due to irresponsible drinking. Who else among the extended family might visit Harry abroad? The York girls, after the shenanigans with Eugenie's wedding? His Tindall cousins, who have small children and live in Australia much of the time? The Phillips'? Auntie Anne is not a fan so I say probably not.
The future is really up to Haz at this point, in terms of making himself back into someone anybody else in the family cares to be around.
Meghan will not be received, I do not believe, or welcome at any family ceremonial functions, happy or sad in future. Wallis was not, and she didn't pull half the sh*t Megs has. Coming to the UK without his wife will be one of the conditions imposed on keeping his titles or any financial support, I should think.
I could be wrong, but it would be a clear way for HM to show strength. NO dealings with 'That Woman'--only her blood relation.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-01-08/prince-harry-meghan-renounce-title
Also, she isn't wearing her engagement ring, hard to spot if there is a thin wedding band on though.
The photo from her shrobbing were taken at greater than 50x zoom... possibly up to 100x or more in low light and you can tell this because the tree branches are what is in focus and you can’t really see the outline of her individual fingers. Her hands are blurry. I believe you can make out the outline of a thin band. At any rate, the photo is not clear enough to say for certain that she isn’t wearing any rings.
Which could be why she high-tailed it out of the UK after they dropped the bomb. Her services were not needed, nor wanted.
@JLC I know there has been a lot of discussion about Meg being booted out the UK etc. but if this was true (and I do really wish it was tbh) how is she still able to update the Sussex Royal Instagram today - I don't doubt it is her who wrote the post. You would think that forces that be would have stopped her access??
I think MM is the only person who has access to the password for that account. haha.
This is a Washington Post opinion piece which sadly reflects the Rah, Meg! stance of the Woke Liberal American Media. Based on the headline, at first I thought I'd be in for a bash-Meg piece. Stupid. The Post wasn't going to change its spots like that.
"I'VE BEEN PLOTTING THIS MY WHOLE LIFE"
Events have transpired just I have known they would since kindergarten
by I, Meghan Markle
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Hi, everyone! It’s me, Meg. (I did say I’d always be Meg.) I take it you’ve all seen my Instagram, where Harry and I announced our decision to step back as senior members of the royal family and, like you probably would’ve done, used this as an excuse to post another picture from one of our engagement photo shoots. And I guess you could say we caused quite a stir.
Just to clarify: Prince Andrew definitely, absolutely, 100 percent hung out in a manner not “becoming of a member of the royal family” with sexual abuser Jeffrey Epstein. But for reasons that are impossible to discern (wild theories: sexism, racism), the British press is just appalled that I, the Duchess of Sussex, and my husband, a redhead who will never be king, have announced our decision to do as so many of our fellow millennials do: attempt to move out of his parents’ house, gain financial independence and make our own way in the world.
I can see that this — me, what I’m doing, not the Andrew sex-trafficking-adjacent thing — has led to considerable upset. The Queen is not thrilled. Buckingham Palace aides are “shocked,” “devastated” and “downright furious.” And, according to the Daily Mail’s sources, Harry and I “spent weeks ‘secretly plotting’ [our] decision … in what one insider branded a ‘staggering level of deceit.’”
They were wrong. It has not been weeks. It has been decades.
Ever since I was a little girl, I fantasized about marrying Prince Harry — for the express purpose of destroying the monarchy, torching centuries of tradition, and throwing the royal family and all its attendant staff and parasitical press into complete, all-consuming chaos — or whatever it is the tabloids say I am now doing.
Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen, according to a detailed, precise timeline I mapped out in kindergarten. When I met Beyoncé, and she called me “my princess”? EXACTLY how I imagined it would be. Two weeks ahead of schedule, actually.
Other girls in my class dreamed of someday marrying a prince and becoming a princess. Amateurs. I dreamed of someday becoming a retired senior royal. “Duchess of Sussex (Ret.) Who Splits Her Time Between the Commonwealth and Her Responsibilities in the U.K. but Has Become Financially Independent” was what I doodled in all my notebooks. I was already dreaming of one day taking on a so-called more progressive role in the royal family — a brilliant maneuver that would, in fact, be the most devastating blow to befall the British monarchy since Richard II.
After graduating from Northwestern, where I risked outing myself with my extremely on-the-nose double-major (international studies and theater, HELLO), I devoted myself to the study of Bayesian probability with a stint on “Deal or No Deal.”
As I held the briefcase aloft, I smiled the smile of someone who knew that in 13 years and eight months exactly, she would tear asunder the bonds that tied her future husband to his brother, his father, his grandmother, her phalanx of corgi ghosts and all he had ever known (living in his grandmother’s house), and whisk him away to North America for half the year.
I really thought everyone would crack it when I left one of my dogs behind. Remember that news cycle? “How could that heartless monster Meghan abandon her dog on the other side of the Atlantic?” Well. Bogart knew what was up. As I dropped him off with the close friends who would tend to him in my (brief, finite) absence, I scratched his belly and whispered into one of his floppy ears: “The plan is in its final phase.”
I’m just glad we all finally get it. The unbelievable thing in this picture is not the institution of the monarchy, a costly terrarium of Queen Victoria’s descendants that Britain maintains at public expense; not the nightmarish hounding by the British tabloids; nor the fact that the royal family still hasn’t distanced itself from Prince Andrew anywhere I can see. It’s Harry’s and my decision to try to carve out something that resembles a normal life. That’s the scandal here, and I am the villain.
Right now, I’m just looking forward to getting a job, getting some distance from my in-laws, and, one day, playing myself on “The Crown” — which, incidentally, is the one scenario in which I would ever wear semi-sheer pantyhose in public again.
I knew I’d eventually ascend from the USA Network to Netflix. It was all in the plan.
I really do not think most people care whether he's there or not (for the most part). Since PC has stated he wanted to slim down the monarchy, this just moves that wish forward a few years. However, he SHOULDN'T get all the benefits without having to do the work. That's what people are upset about.
Please don't tell me you actually believe that? Because if you do, you obviously have no clue about the person you've been praising for months. And speaking of months, how long is it since any of her A list 'friends' have 'supported' her?
However, I am concerned with a few things:
1. If Harry is no longer primarily residing in the UK, how does that affect his ability, as Duke of Sussex and as a blood prince (and heir), to participate as a member of the Counsellors of State? If he cannot meet the qualifications for this position, will he need to abdicate? Will they change the law/rules to allow for him to live part-time in the UK to continue to meet his role?
2. If they are getting a UK pension/income, how will this play out in the US and Canada as far as taxes are concerned? Will the RF disclose their financial information to the IRS here in the States? How will their taxes be reported? And in which US State will Megs be reporting taxes for? Some states have their own State Taxes as well - if she's going to live part-time in the US (likely Cali) how are their taxes going to be reported? Who will be keeping tabs on the financial information for the Sussex Foundation? How and to whom will this income be reported and taxed?
3. What happens if Markle becomes pregnant again? Would that affect whether or not they will keep their HRH titles? Right now we know the British peoples are calling for blood and want their titles and benefits revoked. Unlike Diana, I do not think there would be any backlash for this as it's not going to be seen as retaliatory on the RF's part following a divorce - both Harry and Megan voluntarily "stepped down" from their Senior Royal status. Plus, Diana did give a list of public "demands" when she divorced Charles (if she had - would the people have still rallied for her?). But what if Megan were to announce she was suddenly pregnant again - would this change the perception? Would this change the tide?
Just things I muse over as I try to wade through all this chaos.
As I mentioned, this abysmal joke of an article glosses over the fact that these two brats are demanding to continue to get money from PC, all the while claiming to be financially independent. They are choosing to ignore the fact that this is ALL about money, and their desire for MORE.
- I give no notice
- I will keep my full salary less 5%
- I keep my office. In fact I get a second penthouse office.
- I keep my staff. Including assistants, hairdresser, a cook, housekeeper, Nanny and bodyguards.
- I keep profit sharing, life insurance, health insurance, and spa treatments
- I keep 24/7 daycare of course
- All first class travel and 5 star accommodations. Unless I want a private jet.
- I keep the enormous clothing and jewelry allowance
-I am entitled to a six week vacation every two months. All expenses paid.
- I can still represent my self as a VP of the company and use the company name, as well as staff to solicit business and donations
- I have no accountability. No annual review, no progress reports,and no oversight. Any one who criticizes me will be sued. At the companies expense of course.
-I have no job description or expectations
-I have total privacy. I only share information when, how and to whom I want.
- I will not be questioned for any reason. You will listen to my lectures, hypocrisy, and lies without so much as a lifted eyebrow.
- My children will received the best education possible, be kept in luxury for their entire lives, and are entitled to the same perks that I am.
- Also, people have to curtsy or bow to me.
- In return, I will show up to the annual office party.
All good questions. I'll leave the first 2 for those more expert than me, but in answer to the 3rd, I really don't see how another pregnancy would change things. People still remember the games they played with the press and public over Archie's birth so another pregnancy would just be met with a sigh by most people I think. Of course, her fans would use it as 'How dare you be so horrible to a pregnant woman' type nonsense but most people are over that sort of manipulation at this stage. And I don't see how it could impact their titles in any way.
Maybe I should head her PR? hahaha
The Atlantic Monthly article mentioned earlier was in the international edition of The Atlantic, not the American edition, which yields to no one & nothing in its wokeness. The American edition recently had an article asking whether or not we needed another Civil War in the US. Yeah, like we want to re-live that bloody nightmare. What were they even thinking? Between muggers, mass shooters, various addictions, suicide, bad eating habits, & spotty healthcare we have enough causes of death. We don't need a war.The international Atlantic is written by British & European writers, & has a completely different point of view, so not as much an indication of change in the political & social culture.
The New York Times has an article about the Harkles on the op-ed page written by British writer Afua Hirsch, who has the conventional pc view that Britain is as racist as heck, & that's why Dimbo & Bimbo are leaving. The NYTimes Picks comments, & the reader's picks comments are so pro Megs that they could have been written by her pr office. Many of the comments imply that Britain is an insular, racist, classist hellhole. (Apologies to all Brits, NMI, but that of Times readers!). Predictably, the latest comments are quite anti Harkles, & equally predictable, the NYTimes has closed the comments. As I've mentioned earlier, as a NY Times commenter who's had some comments selected as NY Times Picks, I've felt that they usually hold my comments that aren't on board with their editorial policy so that I get fewer likes. I suppose most papers do this to some degree. The upshot is that this story is being seen in a completely different light in the US than in the UK. In fact, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if some candidate doesn't use the Harkle story as a GOTV method, stirring up resentment to make people decide to vote. Hope that doesn't happen, because it would be completely wrong, but 2020 will be a get out the base year, which means it will be very nasty. This is not off topic, because Megs & Harry themselves have played this card many times. It's too bad, because on this issue both sides are just out to make people angry rather than solve any problems. I've long felt that many liberal celebrities' attitude is: 'I can take any drug, satisfy any vice, exploit anyone, men, women, children, subordinates, drive the biggest most gas-guzzling SUVs, yachts, etc., cheat on my taxes, . . . I can do anything, but as long as you can't call me racist, I'm a good & moral person.' Megs knows this is a US cultural reality, (look at the rumors about her own life), & she will exploit it to the nines.
If the Harkles allow themselves to be used politically in the US in any way, it will be a huge problem for the RF which is constitutionally required to seem politically neutral in public. Do Dimbo & Bimbo even understand this? If the RF allows this to happen there will be all hell to pay, & certainly the Harkles should not receive any funds from the Duchies, the Sovereign Grant or any other source other than Granny & Dad's private fortunes. We've been violating all kinds of rules & civil norms here in the
US, & both sides are doing this enthusiastically. You Brits are much fussier about such things, so I'm not sure where this will lead.
They aren't her friends. She doesn't have friends. I doubt she's spent more than a few hours - if that - in their company. And I don't believe the Clooneys are with SS, are they? Neither is Serena. So why the silence?
Also, if the rumours are true, the Harkles are no longer with SS themselves. I would say the obvious explanation is that none of her 'friends' want to be associated with her if things turn really nasty. The only reason they were ever 'friends' is to get an 'in' with the royals, and if that's not going to happen, why bother?
I feel like a fish out of water in my own country. It makes me feel very sick to see this from so-called journalistic papers like the WP and NYTimes, though both have maligned people and entities to suit their interests for years now.
Take that for what it is worth... just thought I would pass it along.
It's just another of her lame excuses. She had Archie in Canada to keep him away from the RF or because he doesn't exist the sense that she has portrayed him to be.
But Harry has a scheduled engagement in London next week. Assuming he honours it, that would require him flying out to Canada - having just flown in a few days ago - and flying back to London next week. Why does he desperately need to make 3 trans-Atlantic flights in under 2 weeks? I thought he was so concerned about the environment? What happened to Travalyst and 'sustainable travel'? For the plebs I guess.
brilliant. I wish I could repost it everywhere.
I love your scenario of Smeg being shipped off to Canada by the Royals. I do not believe that Archie was left there. I agree with whoever said that the RPOs would not allow that to happen. The notion that MM left the UK to get Archie is cover. IMO she was escorted to the airport and dispatched to Canada to cool her heels while the negotiations are going on so she can not interfere or influence H.
Sky news had an article about the Sussex’s using their position to get political and politically involved, and said Boris Johnson was quite concerned about this. Unfortunately because I use the Sky app, I wasn’t able to post the link to the article.
And as someone else mentioned posted everywhere!
I haven't looked at many of the other UK papers because of their restrictions to access. The stories coming out now are really hitting. I'll have to cruise the US sites and see what they're saying. Ms O (Oprah) is denying any assistance. I'm hoping the backlash to these Celebs supporting them makes them realize they are backing the wrong horse in this race.
Until then, I have been doing a hard dive into all of my favorite blogs and screen twitter diligently for any new "tid bits." Alas, it's all just speculation at this point. I NEED MOAR!!!!!
OK, Fine, I’ll Take Harry and Meghan’s Royal Place
One of the world’s most famous couples turns away from the monarchy and celebrity culture. Does that mean there’s an opening?
By Jason Gay
Harry and Meghan are stepping down as senior royals, or something like that. I don’t know exactly how to describe it—my royalese is dodgy—but Wednesday’s announcement makes it seem like they’ve had enough with the whole monarchy hamster wheel, and they’re making a deliberate choice to walk away. A conscious unroyaling, you could call it, and probably nine bazillion people on the internet already have. Harry and Meghan say they’re going to “work to be financially independent” (every parent’s five favorite words), focus on their charity projects and spend more time on this side of the pond. Brilliant. I look forward to bumping into them in line at Home Depot and Chipotle.
Harry and Meghan’s maneuver has been widely characterized as “shocking,” though what seems most shocking is its common sense. Fame is the planet’s most coveted narcotic, even when the fame is ephemeral. Children grow up today wanting not to walk on the moon but to get Tik-Tok influencer discounts at midrange beach hotels. And here are two of the most famous people on the planet, who now have a child, turning their back on the entire deal. It’s a snub of modern culture’s cartoonish obsession with celebrity, and you know what? It sounds healthy. Harry and Meghan are wise. (Yes: They’ll still be famous. And I reserve the right to revoke this praise if, in six months, they show up with “Harry and Meghan Love the New Jersey Suburbs” on Bravo.)
I’ve never been a royal, other than the time I had my 7th birthday at Burger King—sorry if you weren’t invited—but I bet it’s not all it’s cracked up to be. The public sees the castles and weddings and the good seats at Wimbledon, but I assume the experience gets old fast.
There’s the crushing media and public scrutiny, which is obviously harrowing and has touched both Harry and Meghan personally. There are issues of trust—who to let into your life, without fear they’ll fink you out to the tabloids.
Plus you have to show up to so much stuff. I feel that’s like 90% of a royal job: showing up to stuff and acting really super-duper interested.
I don’t know about you, but I am a terrible person, and I don’t want to show up to anything. My daughter is turning 5 in a week, and she’s having a combination “Frozen”/Disney Princess costume party, and right now, I’m on the books as a maybe. Oh come on. She’ll be surrounded by Elsas and Cinderellas. She could not possibly care less.
That said, I detect from Harry and Meghan’s news that there is potentially an opening at Buckingham Palace. Harry’s brother and sister-in-law cannot be expected to do it all. I suspect William and Kate were consulted in all of this and said all the proper things. They told Harry and Meghan good for you, I’m proud of you, but what they were really thinking is yikes, now we have to go to everything. I bet William’s doing the math in his head: Does this mean I have to sit through the Wimbledon quarters, semis and the finals? You got to be kidding me. I know it sounds fun, but those Wimbledon matches really can take forever, and it’s not like a royal can wear a Philadelphia Eagles tank-top to Centre Court.
What I am trying to say is that I would do some of this. Despite all my previous protesting about showing up, I would be happy to be appointed a royal, even temporarily. Please tell the Queen. I’m not saying I’m a compelling candidate, or even a mediocre one, but I’ll do. I can sit somewhere for at least 30 minutes. And I like Wimbledon. All I ask is for a castle with air conditioning—and two dragons. They still use dragons, yes? Or is that just on TV? I haven’t asked my wife yet, but I think she will be OK with the idea. I think my daughter will be completely on board. I bet she will ask to move her birthday party to the Palace. I bet she’ll get horses. Then I’ll definitely go.
But he thinks they are turning AWAY from fame, when in fact they are looking for MORE. SMH.
Rut said…
AntoniaRodina: Trudeu wants Meghan and Harry in Canada and Im sure he is inventing a role for them in your country.
Your prime minister and his wife is in Meghan Markles circle of friends.
January 10, 2020 at 10:42 AM
YES! Sadly, I am very well aware of that. Many of those who voted for Trudeau (like me) will never support him again if he brings in these two reprehensible excuses for human beings.
At any rate, if we take this all at face value: Harry and Meghan are together and want to step down as senior royals, etc. then my guess is nobody is going to get everything they want, but in the end it will work out for all.
It will be spun as “aren’t we all thrilled with this new set up? How wonderful we downsized the monarchy like other European houses and streamlined the line of succession...” blah blah blah
Blindgossip says she has fired Sunshine Sachs??
https://blindgossip.com/public-relations-chaos/#more-99933
January 8, 2020
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/story/2020-01-08/meghan-harry-new-approach-media-strategy
“Markle, a native of Los Angeles and former star of the TV legal drama “Suits,” used the publicists at Sunshine Sachs for years before she joined the royal family and still seeks occasional, unofficial counsel from partner Keleigh Thomas Morgan, said a person with knowledge of the situation, who was not authorized to speak publicly.
The firm, which has offices in New York, Los Angeles and Washington, D.C., is not currently retained by the Sussexes and was not involved in Wednesday’s announcement, the person said.
Sunshine Sachs previously worked on Markle’s Vogue editorial and Harry’s eco-travel initiative Tavalyst. A spokesperson for the duke and duchess of Sussex did not respond to requests for comment. Sunshine declined to comment. Some think the firm could be tapped to work on the couple’s new charitable foundation.
Times staffer Ben Welsh contributed to this report.”
Liver,
My first reaction to your comment is "No more outlandish than considering Meghan a fully fledged member of the Royal family." Meghan is not a member of the family; she's Harry's ill-chosen carpetbagging wife, whom he was strenuously advised against (begged not to) marry by every family member and friend he had. He disregarded that advice and no longer has any of those friends.
Look to the Duchess of Windsor. The BRF showed their regard for Harry by throwing him a lavish multi-millions of pounds wedding. Meg got the title, the patronages and was included in family events. The once-King of England abdicated all of his titles and went with relatively little fuss and swiftly, thinking at the very least that he and his wife would be welcomed to court whenever they felt like visiting. Wallis never got a title, and was only allowed (secret) visits to the UK after Edward was dead. Finding out that she is buried at Windsor gobsmacked me, I can tell you, because the RF never was that welcoming when she was alive. Having learned a bit more about Wallis lately, I learn that she was not the one who pushed for the Abdication or even the wedding--He did. Their post-separation life was a pretty pathetic and peripheral affair, scrounging for attention and free/cheap lodgings. It was fairly decent of Bertie to give David the governorship of the Bahamas, from whence he colluded with Hitler in some delusions of being restored to a Vichy type throne after Hitler crushed England and more likely than not killed his brother and his brother's family.
If the Internet had been invented back then, perhaps the Windsors would have found a way to merch their way to a more luxurious exile. They posed for some magazine articles and tried to get some 'influence' going, but their sphere was very limited.
David *was* an HRH, and he was expelled. He wanted to leave his duties, but on his own terms, just like Harry, and I don't think that permanent exile was ever part of his master plan. Like Meghan, Wallis never became a British citizen and remained a non-entity to them for the rest of her days. I do not think refusing Meghan carte blanche to sashay her merching ass in London as the Duchess-Do Nothing who extorted the family is in the cards. A lot hinges on Archie--IF he is really their baby and if they really have him. I am doubtful on both scores. Despite media reports that Meghan, the Devoted Mother rushed back to Archie's side across the Atlantic, the baby appears to not be any sort of talking point so far in these negotiations--the extra security required for a minor child; where he will be educated, and the RF's access to him, and so forth. Of course we are getting dribs and drabs only. Nothing has been decided, so it is premature to call any theory outlandish.
Megsie would spin anything she could, yes. Unless she's been slapped with a super-injunction. That's why she's not in on these meetings at Sandringham. They do not want her to know a thing until the *Palace* releases their decisions--and I'd say that Harry is probably being monitored 24/7 and his phone and computer access have been taken away lest he contact her.
Good luck to Meg’s ambitious merch plan. Not many Americans know her or care about her. She is totally delusional.
Harry & Meghan Tap Sunshine Sachs
Wed., Sep. 4, 2019
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have hired Sunshine Sachs to help the British royalty launch their Travalyst initiative.
"Sunshine Sachs have been supporting us with outreach and coordination in the US around the launch of Travalyst,” said a statement from James Holt of Royal Communications.
The hiring of a Hollywood PR firm is “unorthodox to say the least,” according to The Sun, and has left “palace courtiers” bemused that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex “have been ignoring advice from their own highly professional team.
Markle though is “said to be pals with SS partner Keleigh Thomas Morgan” who got a “prime seat at her wedding and she’s known for years.”
Chris Bastardi, VP/head of strategy & crisis communications at SS, told O'Dwyer's that reports that his firm represented Harvey Weinstein and Michael Jackson are incorrect.
He said SS used to represent Weinstein Co. but not Harvey and dropped the client after sexual assault allegations swirled about him. The firm promoted the Jackson family but never Michael, according to Bastardi.
The British royals unveiled Travalyst Sept. 3 in Amsterdam. It seeks to convince people to make environmentally friendly choices when they travel.
The duke co-founded Travalyst with Visa, TripAdvisor, Skyscanner, Booking.com and Ctrip.
Though he flies commercial 99 percent of time, the duke said he must rely on private jets occasionally "in a unique circumstance to ensure my family is safe.”
Category: Corporate Communications
NYT branding the whole UK racist is something akin to other nations calling all Americans stupid fat people who think country of Georgia is located in the State of Georgia, or calling all Canadians hypocrites who are woke days and paint their faces black at night in mockery.
In other words, a perfect recipe how not to be taken seriously.
"The firm, which has offices in New York, Los Angeles and Washington, D.C., is not currently retained by the Sussexes and was not involved in Wednesday’s announcement, the person said."
Oh LORDT!!
"WE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS TERRIBLE CHOICE"
Only minor celebrities or wannabe celebrities are enough foolish to take a stand because they are dying for media coverage.
Even Oprah denied she helped them.
They will come out the closet when the deal will be settled (I think it will be by the end of the week, maybe tomorrow).
1. Their new picture/secret visit 3 days ago :
Oh... They had really planned everything : visiting a charity before leaving the UK to have updated cards in their hands (pictures which could be used during the storm and which would allow them a little of fresh air/positive media coverage).
2. The way/reason she left
I don't think she was kicked out. Harry would have not accepted his beloved wife to be poorly treated. They could not have started the negotiation if they felt they would not received the respect they think they deserve as the "powerful couple" they think they are.
I think she left with a light heart because she knew their demands would be accepted. She can use Skype/facetime/email to check progress in negotiations and to give her guidances (go/no go) to Harry.
I guess she is in IFV process, so she couldn't miss appointments.
Perhaps the royal family thinks they can talk some sense into PH if they get him alone.
Here it is. Look at Harry.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7873951/Meghan-Markle-Prince-Harry-post-new-pictures-visit-Grenfell-kitchen-five-days-ago.html
Here is the story from the Harkles December 2019 visit to Grenfell kitchen. Look at Harry.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7763857/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-laugh-previously-unseen-pictures-visit-Grenfell-kitchen.html
He's wearing the same outfit in both visits, which is not the same outfit he wore to Canada House.
MM is wearing the same outfit at the Jan. 2020 visit as she wore to Canada House.
Question everything you are seeing in the media.
If Meg is not mixed race, I don’t think they would have cared. They are trying to spin a story about a mixed race girl against a power evil monarch and a bunch of racists.
Meg got some sympathy in US because people don’t know her sordid past and her disgusting behaviors towards the British people and BRF. The tide could turn very quickly once they know her. Harry and Meg become one of the most despised members of the BRF in just 2 years.
@Charade, @Luxem, as a longtime Prince fan of the purple variety, I would not wish to compare His Royal Badness with Her Royal Buttpads...
Prince was in a league of his own. One which the Sussexes could never aspire to.
@PaisleyGirl: Yesssss! Prince the musician had one of the best backsides in human history. I grew up in Minneapolis and have seen him in concert. I can second your appraisal of his gluteal region. Very fine. My cousins also used to run into him in the wild around Chanhassen, the Mpls. suburb where he lived. They also confirmed he had a prize booty, even in street clothes.
Markle’s padding could never compare.
You don't disagree with me . . I think I was the first here to broach that exact scenario. Divide and conquer. If Meghan were a British citizen, and *demonstrably* a mother to an heir of the family, particularly if he were old enough to be in school, excising her would be more difficult. As it is, she's got a very tenuous claim to continued residency in Britain. She's never showed the slightest interest in living in Britain . . until now. Suddenly FroggyCott is *soo* desirable it earns a place in their manifesto. As a non-citizen, her residency status is at the discretion of the sovereign. I think it's fair to say that Meg poses a threat to national security and that overrides a marital visa.
Harry needs to stay in the UK (at least have an official residence) since he's a counsellor of state, but Meg has no constitutional purpose whatsoever. Harry always looks much happier without his wife, and may agree to capitulate on the London residency thing (for her) in exchange for something else.
Personally, I hope that right now he is undergoing deprogramming by an experienced hostage negotiator. Who knows what a week sans Meghan but closeted with the full strength of his family will do to moderate 'his' demands.
@Jen
>>>While William is "junior" the future of the monarchy is his business, and I believe that he will have a say in what happens with this situation. I think he, more than HM and PC, has an idea of what is actually going on outside the Palace walls. I think he has had his "ear to the ground" and is very well versed on public sentiment. While I have a lot of respect for HM considering everything she had managed during her reign, she is older, and does have a soft spot for the "spares" in this family to her own detriment. PC and William need to be decisive and they need to do what is necessary to save the monarchy.<<<
I absolutely agree with everything you say, but William's success in influencing these negotiations depends on how willing the elders are to listening. I believe Wills, the Master Scarfer would favor the hardest line possible--he knows Harry the best of anyone, and he certainly knows Harry better than the other two chief figures in these decisions. Charles has been, outside of guy-bonding trips to Balmoral or Africa, immersed in his own activities. Royal kids spend very little time with either parent once they hit senior-school age, and before then, the nannies see to all the daily needs.
Elizabeth barely knows her own children and what they are up to; a grandson is just another figure in the family pictures at big events. If QEII spent more than a few days out of the year with any of her grandchildren, and that in hourly increments, I'd be surprised. So Harry's behavior and treachery is a bit blunted for her. William on the other hand grew up with Haz and knows him intimately. Haz is William's "Margaret". There's a thin line between great love and great animosity, and I think Haz shoved his brother over that line long ago. HM and PC might not be willing to go as far as William wants, so he will have to sit by and swallow appeasement, if that's they way his elders insist they go. In a few years, Wills will have more clout with his promotion and I believe terms will be renegotiated then, and not in the Sussexes' favor.
As for the merching I can't wait for my first sighting of Meghan merchandise. I will go up laughing at them. Wear it proudly because like MAGA hats you are fair game.
I can imagine he changed his clothes for a more formal attire to visit Canada house.
Harry's allure, if you can call it that, in the States was because he was single. He won't be popular as Mr. Meghan Markle.
And I do not think Harry is very "alluring" in his current, broken-down state. Smegs has done a number on him and he looks terrible! We loved the happy-go-lucky, charming PH. He isa shadow of his former self. I, for one, hate to see him like this...he is suffering.
Hikari's Virtual Latte of the Day, my sweet, for this nugget:
>>>She’d be gone in a New York baby shower minute if Harry ever decided to renounce his titles.<<<
Ping! :)
@K.C. Brilliant list
@Hikari, Have no idea where Megs really is, but agree that it's beyond bizarre that she wouldn't stay in the UK for negotiations.
@FrenchieLiv, Sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree. Megs won't let Harry speak for himself in a conversation at an unimportant cocktail party. No way she'll let him speak for her in a negotiation that will decide her whole future.
Below, is another LA Times Op=Ed. I actually knew the writer slightly about 40 years ago as we lived in the same apt. building.
She's African American, but near my age, so not so rabidly woke as many younger writers are. She doesn't seem to know much about the rules governing the royals, but she warns the Harkles to keep it classy in the merching, or the worm will turn for them.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-01-09/can-meghan-and-harry-really-escape-the-paparazzi
Well, considering how much more valuable he would be dead than alive to MM (think of the merching that the widow Sussex could do, and the television appearances she would make, all dressed in black although she looks horrid in it), he should be very afraid.
The Crown has even more power to cross their figurative arms and say "We are not doing a thing until Ms. Markle is out of the country and until she complies, your assets are all frozen."
>>>I think she left with a light heart because she knew their demands would be accepted.<<<
Allowing her to think this would be a better move than my more heavy-handed police escort theory. Plenty of time for HM to revoke the UK visa until after Megs is safely away in North America. It's the re-entry that could prove dicey for Duchess Lightheart the Delusional.
>>She can use Skype/facetime/email to check progress in negotiations and to give her guidances (go/no go) to Harry.<<<
I absolutely do not believe that this would be permitted by the Crown's lawyers. Why would they agree to give her unfettered access to information which is still in progress? That'd be like laying all your poker cards down and giving your adversary a good look. No; I believe Harry is sequestered and these talks are being treated like a deposition. They would be mad to give him any access to communication with her.
>>>I guess she is in IFV process, so she couldn't miss appointments.<<<
Well, now, this is a wrinkle I had not considered. I figured the IVF had been abandoned with this atomic manifesto they unleashed on the Family. If things were progressing well with IVF, or she had another surrogate in the pipeline, I feel like they would have delayed this bombshell. A second baby (provided that there is a first)--and this one Harry's bio kid, would strengthen their position that much more. This preemptive move on their part feels like it was a rush job, maybe because they had been informed that their future in the monarchy had an expiry date. They got their announcement out ahead of the Palace as an extortion ploy, plain and simple.
Megsy was never just going to go quietly, but I hope the BRF can muzzle her to the fullest extent of its powers.
I do not think that's true. At least I've never ever read that royal spouses have "contracts." In fact, early on when Kate made hardly any royal appearances ("Duchess DoLittle") critics were told by RRs that what royal wives do or don't is between them and their husbands. That Kate could be a full-time housewife if she wished. Of course, in the case of Kate or Meghan, if they weren't doing royal appearances Charles didn't need to provide money for clothes for events they weren't doing.
I can easily see the RF refusing to negotiate with M. It's up to Harry, not M. And I don't see why unless there was a contract, her reps would be allowed either.
Their website or "manifesto" as it were is textbook narc. Who are they to dictate their media coverage moving forward? They state they will no longer participate in the Royal Rota. They are cherry picking. Most hilarious of all, they criticize the press for spreading misinformation.
Ever since MM came on the scene, there has been chaos, calamity, and turmoil surrounding events that are not complex, such as when baby was born. Whenever the press or the public asks too many questions, they shriek "Privacy!" and scatter away. Their "plan" to step down appears to be so they can harvest the American dollar using their royal credentials, allegedly. My opinion only.
'SIR – “Collaborate” with the Queen? Surely this shows a basic misunderstanding of the position.'
Whereas Guardian readers, invited for their comments, seem far more supportive (and woke of course so 'racism' is prominent as are the meanie tabloids). My natural home is the Guardian and I read the Telegraph to stay familiar with Tory arguments so I can counter them. So my world is currently upside down, but that goes for all of us at the moment.
Exactly, the RF doesn't all live together in a 4-bedroom semi-detached in Croyden. They live in huge buildings scattered over various parts of Britain.
Another thing about Her Majesty. From what little I know about her, she was always the good, well behaved sibling. Parents like that have no clue. My mom was like that, my brothers & I could get anything past her. My dad was a bit of a bad boy when young, could not fool him.
Also, the RF is bound by protocol & formality, & my guess is that they consider emotional repression quite a good thing. My mom never owned up to having emotions she didn't approve of, so I'm familiar with that kind of behavior. HM can't even imagine the stuff that Andrew & Harry(&Megs) have gotten up to. Her advisors may tell her things, & she does read the papers, but imagining ways to misbehave isn't in her wheelhouse, I expect. That's not to say she's unsophisticated, or unworldly, she just isn't particularly interested in the unpleasantness of others. JMG.
@ SwampWoman, Yes, young Uhtred has cheekbones to die for. The actor who plays King Alfred is very talented, IMO. The Last Kingdom is a good primer on members of the British royal family plotting to off one another to take the throne. Much better to call the lawyers.
No HRH, no Sussex titles. All the reasons why this must be have already been covered.
I will add one more, touched upon yesterday.
You do not negotiate with terrorists. We all know what blackmailers do. You give them everything they want, and they come back for more. Meghan has already demonstrated this proclivity. She is monster. Nothing will ever be enough for her.
True. Cut the cord.
The majority don’t care for either, he’s as bad as her. Sorry, but death threats is a bit strong, and an over the top and unfair assessment of feeling in Britain. She’s disliked and rightly so for her atrocious behaviour.
And her other tactic that irritates me is her penchant for "secret" visits. How disrespectful (and childish)!
Agreed you do not negotiate with terrorists and H has to be separated from Smeg's influence during negotiations. No Skyping, phone calls, etc.
I certainly hope the BRF is able to talk H in off the ledge.
Christin Zi
@PackhamGown
I don´t know if that is true. But according to german media the #DuchessofSussex asked Gayle King to do the first interview with the couple in the next weeks after their announcement.
Kelly Mathews
@allthingsregal
Replying to
@PackhamGown
I heard the same announced as fact on
@BTtoronto
this morning!
>>HM canceled her visit before she arrived. (Meghan was supposed to have been in a meeting with the Queen which MM chose to blow off.) After Meghan's tantrum about the cancellation she left with no rings on her fingers in plain view so photos would show her wedding rings gone. It was a message back to the BRF. They weren't planning to announce the divorce yet but Meghan no longer cares. Her leaving England confirms it.<<
Do you remember where you read that? I'd like more info on the NT meeting. I knew it was a brief visit . . I didn't learn later about the splayed ringless Gollum claw because I was too distracted by her big-ass coat (Shrobing again!) and sulky face. Meg seems to think that we are all staring at her hands every minute, which I try to avoid because her hands are profoundly unattractive. I can't even see her dinky-ass rings when she *is* wearing them most of the time.
I thought the chastened look she was wearing as she still merched defiantly to the end was because after the antics at Canada House she'd been sent by HM to resign from her patronage, and HM was making her go in person to humiliate her. I see that HM found an even greater way to humiliate Her Wokeness, if what you say is true.
Well played, your Maj. Keep that going and you should be OK in all of this.
Since the beginning of the Sussex's full blown meltdown: the final days of the South Africa tour and documentary, something had to give. I believe the BRF was willing to let Meghan and Harry off the hook with dignity to avoid anymore of their embarrassing, off-message attempts to transform the monarchy, and I believe Harry and Meghan were allowed their sabbatical (ie cooldown) to get the ball moving.
But they breezed back into town after 7 mysterious weeks, and dropped their MANIFESTO on the Queen, Charles and William. Now, all of the Commonwealth is calling for their heads. If the Queen, Charles and William give in and let these two cheap hucksters run off to hawk their wares under the Sussex Royal brand and establish a pseudo foundation to further line their pockets, then it's time for the end of the monarchy!
And I say this as an Anglophile (of English and Irish descent) who would love nothing more than to watch the Cambridge family grow up in anticipation of the reign of King William.
If M&H want out, it cannot be on their terms.
Blogger tatty said...
A family can’t keep a husband from contacting his wife. He’s a grown man (no matter how he acts)...
A family member works in some *very* secure locations in the U.S. as well as worldwide. He doesn't contact anybody until the job is done because his communications devices have been locked away.
If there are state secrets (or criminal charges) being discussed between PH, RF and attorneys, I believe that he *can* be sequestered.
I believe I heard the same thing this morning on the Today show....which is not Gayle King's show (CBS This Morning) but still - heard it. They said Gayle will get an interview first - no confirmation but that was the rumor.
Also have been clear to say "Oprah is NOT advising" them - except O Magazine says the won't "give up" their titles...
Are there any math teachers on here? I have seen numerous articles claiming that the Sussex portion of sovereign grant money is only about 5% of their income. Various articles have suggested anywhere from $2-5 million is what they get from the sovereign grants funds. That means they make $40-100 million a year total. 95% from other sources. But Harry is only worth $40 million. How is that possible? I was never very good with imaginary numbers.
Heh. Yes, and she's worth 5 million. Imaginary numbers indeed.
Aparrently, he picked up the Register and `held it up to his face' to sign it. If this is so, it might have meant that nobody could see nib travelling over paper. The witnessing of a signature is often an important part of a legal document. Usually, the Register is left lying on the table for all to see and the Groom signs first. Perhaps this was done the other way round and the `bride's side' was distracted?
If he wrote `Mickey Mouse' or `Lion King' or, more likely, a scribble quite unlike his normal signature, it might have created a useful legal possibility, regardless of the religious ceremony.
Better still, did he add `Under Duress'? If the marriage turned out OK, nothing ever need be said. If otherwise, he may have a `Get Out of Jail Free' card ?
Have we anyone who can pass a legal opinion here? It may just be another piece wishful thinking that got legs of course.
>>>A family can’t keep a husband from contacting his wife. He’s a grown man (no matter how he acts)...<<<
You act like this is a normal family situation and a normal chat with the spouse.
They might permit him a supervised phone call to say hello. But the Royal family is involved in a delicate and unprecedented (at least since the Abdication) fight for their survival and dignity and their adversary is one of their own. Lawyers are involved, on both sides.
Have you ever served on a jury? Jurors are not allowed to speak to their spouses about anything that goes on. Juries are sequestered in sensitive trials to prevent this very thing, or leaks to the media. Harry would leak like a sieve to his wife if unmonitored. Meghan would then weaponize that information to her benefit.
If she were welcome as a part of these negotiations, she would be there. This is very, very grave. Haz isn't just going home at night to chill at FroggyCott (ha) crack open the beers and give Megsy the blow by blow. Absolutely not. He's proved so untrustworthy, I think they are watching him every minute until this thing is finalized.
I believe the grant was only 100K - the $2 million comes from the Duchy of Cornwall via Charles or whatever and some more may come from Diana or queen Mum trust interest. But the actual grant was only 100K...so about 5% of 2 mil.
I wonder if the people of Sussex have any strong opinion on that?
"Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall."
The 5% is from The Sovereign Grant which the Sussex’s will lose, the 95% is from the Duchy of Cornwall which is around £2.5 million per year (this is what the Sussex’s want to retain). Harry and Meghan total assets (according to the press) is around £34 million. On top of that it’s estimated their security costs could now exceed £1 million per year.
Again, all she has to do is issue a statement and MM is gone. No drama needed.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/10/clive-lewis-labour-leadership-must-push-proportional-representation
She doesn't trust or even have any respect for Harry and she is a freak control but let's keep in mind MM is also a coward who avoided direct confrontation with HMQ, Charles and William for months and who can't stand being criticized.
She would not had the guts to attend negotiation meetings because she knew they would speak each other harshly and William would tell her his truth.
I also think she left with the reasonable certainty their lawyers would do everything possible to settle a good deal for them.
The decision are not going to be made without the consent of ALL the parties, so yes, I think she will have the opportunity to check the final deal with HER legal team (and that could be even better for her to be in Canada or in the US with her own legal team).
IMO, Harry is not a detainee in the Palace! I like to think the BRF isn't a dictatorial regime where dissidents are kidnapped.
In a few days, some more information will be leaked by pals and courtiers. This is not an option for the Firm that Cringe & Ginge make some other ambiguous statement concerning the negotiations while the deal has been announced by the Palace.
@SirStinx, I understood it as the percentages refer to the breakdown of how their operating costs for their office and foundation are spent. 95% of the costs are covered by the Duchy of Cornwall, and the remaining 5% are taken from whatever portion of the Sovereign Grant they receive.
I agree with @Swansong that they will keep their titles and the Royal Family will bend over backwards to accommodate them out of love for Harry and fear that cutting them adrift will lead to Diana's fate or renewed backlash towards Andrew being allowed to keep his HRH. Unlike Meghan, Charles is willing to compromise and loves Harry more than money or being right.
I agree with @Ava C about the world being rather upside down regards Guardian vs Telegraph.
I know these people don't really affect my life, but it is yet another example of how the general public is so easily fooled by PR washing over selfishness, greed, arrogance, manipulation, and deceit ranging from her credentials to her current monetisation/lifestyle brand when wrapped in a pretty package with all the right boxes checked like Meghan. It cheapens the monarchy, it gives credence to this idea that supreme individualism, tightly controlled PR, amassing blind followers via empty glossy phrases, superficial charm, and cementing power via cronyism with the right people and the megarich are more important than humility, compromise, sacrifice, and simply doing your duty without expectation of recognition or awards or financial gain. She has far more in common with the far-right, populist politicians of Europe in her methods, minus the fake crying, lip-biting, and using more powerful men to do battle as her knights in shining armour despite saying she's the forefront of gender equality.
Haven't read the comments in this one yet (commenting now to subscribe and mark my spot) but I hope all the whining and bitching among folks was left in the previous one. It gets rather tiring, especially when it's always the same handful of people. And before anyone starts in on the "you don't know what they said [time] ago!!!!!!!!11111!!", I've been following this blog for over six months and actually subscribe to comments so I also see the ones Nutty has been forced to delete by the time I can catch up.
I for one don't care much for the off-topic discussion or in-fighting but that's why there's a scroll button. And I hope all the complainers also realize you can fold up comments by clicking next to the poster's name... same goes for email notifications, at least in gmail (which bundles them per 100 and neatly keeps track of which I've read).
If Nutty didn't want that kind of off-topic stuff, I imagine she'd delete it.
"I also think she left with the reasonable certainty their lawyers would do everything possible to settle a good deal for them.
The decision are not going to be made without the consent of ALL the parties, so yes, I think she will have the opportunity to check the final deal with HER legal team (and that could be even better for her to be in Canada or in the US with her own legal team).
I'm curious to know what legal rights you think MM has. She is not a British citizen. Why legally does MM get to consent to anything? Diana was the mother of a future King and the best she got was a pile of cash.
Forgive me if this has been brought up already*
I think the real reason she left Harry to "negotiate" on her behalf is so if it doesn't come out the way she wants, she can blast him sideways for letting her down, not being the good team member.
I can normally handle 300 or so emails daily but there about that many overnight and I haven't caught up yet.
The Duchess of Windsor did visit the UK before her death. She attended the Duke's funeral in 1972. The TV footage of that showed the only time the Queen, the Queen Mother and Duchess of Windsor in the same place. She was also permitted by prior arrangement to visit his grave which she did until she became too frail. The condition to that was her visits were never publicised, it only became known after her death in 1986.'
Both the Duke and Duchess of Windsor attended the unveiling of the plaque for Queen Mary (his mother) in 1967. It was a public event and senior royals attended (including Queen Elizabeth and her mother). There's a video here:
https://www.londonremembers.com/memorials/queen-mary
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7874687/Friends-Meghan-Markle-open-DAVID-JONES-Megxit.html
David Jones gives the floor to MM's so called friends and the story they tell is interesting/telling ....
Best parts of the article :
1/ She lied during the engagement interview :
"She developed a particular infatuation for Princess Diana, devouring books and videos about her life and humanitarian work then setting out to emulate her by serving the homeless in skid-row soup kitchens. Her obsession gathered pace when she visited London in 1996, making a beeline for Buckingham Palace and having her photo taken outside the gates"
2/ MM is a coward :
"Meghan likes to flee when things get heavy, and observe from afar what she has done."
3/ Her own game :
"She has been able to move fast because this has been planned for months. She is running a campaign. This is not just an exit. It is a long-game strategy that has been set in motion for some time."
4/ MM underestimate :
"I don’t think [Meghan] is fully aware of how much backlash she will receive [but] I honestly don’t think she cares at the moment,’ adds the friend."
5/ She can't cope with criticism (narc) :
"Then there was the public criticism of her. Though the majority of British people have taken Meghan to their hearts, friends say she sees matters very differently."
"she is highly sensitive to disapproval and needs adoration."
6/ She is shameless
"Soon after, she divorced Engelson (returning his wedding and engagement rings by post)"
"Those she ‘ghosted’ say they were so ruthlessly expunged from Meghan’s new life that it was as though they had ceased to exist."
"she has effectively dismissed the Royal Family in a similar manner."
7/ Vancouver island : shocking news....
"I am told that, in the dying days of her marriage to Engelson, he and Meghan retreated to the island, with its magnificent forests and wild coastline, in a last-ditch attempt to reconcile their differences."
Anything copyrighted SussexRoyal has never been an official Royal endorsed entity. We all know that Meg is the only one who is ever posted on that IG account. For all intents and purposes, this is her personal site. Just like none of the photos we’ve had of Archie with various members of his royal family Emanate from an official Palace outlet. If anything Meg puts out in the media Had royal endorsement, it would be trademarked Buckingham palace, Kensington royal, or Clarence house. Megsie can play around with her website from anywhere in the world Until she is legally compelled to vacate the Sussex royal name. Then she’ll just switch it to something else. SussexRoyal Is Meigs own vanity project and not to be considered a legitimate royal communications arm. Their title of Sussex isn’t even legitimate, since it has not been endorsed by Letters Patent the way all the other Ducal titles have been. It’s like the family was well aware that the Sussex marriage was a sham from the beginning and would be temporary. It’s customary for Ducal titles to be endorsed shortly after marriage. So in this way the crown may let them have their Sussex title; Seems that it’s a play title, a meaningless decoration for a couple of pretend Royals. Their title is the equivalent of those fake designer fragrances that you can buy at the drugstore for five dollars . Spray painted tin not gold.
I agree with you entirely. Meghan doesn’t have a right to anything and isn’t divorcing Harry (well not yet as far as we know!). The power is with the royals and their Palace advisors, (I’m not even sure lawyers etc would need to be involved in something like this) Meghan can’t match any of that, she’s up against one of the most powerful families and institutions in the world.
Was Harry “incandescent with rage” when he saw the photo of the line of heirs and that his photo wasn’t on TQ’s desk? Did he feel abandoned by Charles and his family? Sidelined, as it has been aside....
I haven’t thought too much about this theory..
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As a fellow American of English and Irish descent and an avid supporter of the BRF, I totally agree with your post.
Hell no they should not be able to keep their titles and monetize the Sussex"Royal" brand with cheesy clothes souvenirs, pencils, etc. I placed royal in quotations because Smegs has acted anything but royal her entire life.
Because the Queen has possibly realised her days on earth are numbered on the calendar. Why fuss about money and titles. It's meaningless upon death. If the Queen wants her last days to be regarded as humble,subservient and gracious, she will give them anything they want. They know it. Markle saw it first. Markle saw an aging Queen and seized the opportunity. I don't like this , it smacks of everything we see in movies that dwell on the forgotten past.
An aging Queen giving in to a younger,fresher outsider. I didn't want to write that, but I did. The Queen is possibly recalling how she failed her sister Margaret, how she was told she possibly failed Diana, if at all she did, and she probably thinks, why the hell not! I will not fail again. Let me be remembered for being gracious to Diana's son.
I see the Harkles getting everything they want. For now. And I say, take it all. If you want it and asked for it and you git it then take it. To your detriment.
However, if the Queen dies suddenly , before during or after announcing decisions, no matter how one looks at it, even if her death happens in months or years from now, a million eyes and fingers point towards the Harkles. Possibly Andrew too.
Let's hope the Queen survives this.
The Express is a bit like The Sun newspaper, inasmuch it doesn’t have a lot of credibility. I’m waiting till next week when we hear concrete info. from BP.
As I said before, I hope the Queen, Charles and William have realised that Meghan (followed by obedient Harry) will use their titles and links to the royal family to merch (and it will get cheap and tacky), to get a platform to preach and pontificate (and it will get political and controversial), and sometimes align themselves with shady people. They must have a plan to protect themselves before this happens if they don't want another Andrew-like debacle (and promises, NDAs, contracts will not do as the Sussexes cannot be trusted). Actually, the monarchy were tripped up by Fergie and Sophie when both were caught using their royal connections to make a deal. The Queen is very forgiving, but I think she wants a model to leave as a legacy to protect the monarchy from it ever happening again.
Any twittering out there abut Meghan and Harry getting everything they want is gossip or wishful thinking.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7874669/Majority-Britons-say-Harry-Meghan-treated-Queen-shoddily.html
Only 1K people polled but the results are consistent with readers' comments apart from the Guardian wokefest.
This is just going to build and build and ties in neatly with a growing public defiance of big city bosses, bad employers and greed in any quarter. I've long been disturbed by the growth of populism, but this is the kind of populism I'm happy to embrace.
It's becoming more and more apparent that Meghan thinks she's successfully markled the whole country while keeping our gold, like a transatlantic Sheriff of Nottingham. Well we're now a nation of Robin Hoods.
This is very interesting and has many layers to discuss and unravel, well done.
I can see some rational in what you are saying but the crucial difference is Haz and Maz basically just deserted evaporating the charity agenda and the role that has been built for them. They not only let down the monarchy, they humiliated the Queen and the country.
If the Queen lets them get away with that's a dangerous precedent that will break the monarchy. Why following rules if somebody didn't and ended up rewarded for it?
So many posts to go through as of now so I am behind on what’s current. I will say that I think there is merit to the argument that the BRF was blindsided by H&M. I am not sure of the extent but I do think if they had a whiff of what they were doing, they would not have allowed Archie and H&M to go to Canada. Preventing them from traveling would have been very easy with say not having any RPOs that could go overseas with them. The Sussexes not being in the U.K. gives them so much more ability to cause damage. Another thing I thought is that Meg took over their social media because she wanted to brush up on her skills and work on the SR website without potential leaks to the BRF.
Dan Wooten’s scoop has me wondering how all this went down. I personally believe the rollout of the SR website would not have happened until months later. Something crazy went down before their “break.” Not sure what but I don’t believe H&M leaked it. It may have been because of an oversight on Meg’s part in setting up the site. I believe DW when he says that he gave them 10 days to sort out the scoop with the BRF. However, they may not have known when he was going forward with the story. Can’t put my finger on why but I strongly suspect H&M thought the story would be KILLED which is why they didn’t do anything for so long and why they didn’t tell the BRF.
She is not British but it doesn't mean she cannot be prosecuted, considered as a petitioner, a complainant or a relevant party under British law.
Besides, I wouldn't make a comparison with Diana or Fergie's cases. This is not Meghan as an future ex against the Firm but a married couple against the BRF. IMO, she is part of the deal.
@octobergirl, @DesignDoctor : this article is super interesting, again, she is such a mean and manipulative person.
Lastly, "You do not negotiate with terrorists." : yes we do.
In a perfect world, the rule would be "you don't do that". The reality is more complicated... Governments negotiate with rogue states, terrorists groups (eg. Talibans)...
**** Express.co.uk readers were asked whether Meghan and Harry should keep their HRH titles despite stepping down in a poll published online between 10.49am and 8.06pmon January 10.
Out of the 18,666 people who voted, 16,780 (90 percent) said no.
Only 1,641 (nine percent) of voters said they did think Meghan and Harry should remain HRH [Her Royal Highness] The Duchess of Sussex and HRH [His Royal Highness] The Duke of Sussex. ******
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1226913/royal-news-meghan-markle-news-prince-harry-royal-latest-poll-royal-titles-duchess-sussex
I like the suggestion Eugenie could be asked to take their place. Both she and Jack came over really well when visiting the hospital where Eugenie was treated for her scoliosis. It helped knowing she was genuine about it of course. Also no looking for camera angles or turning up looking as if she'd just rolled out of bed. We have a low bar these days! No criticism of Eugenie meant. She's great. I like her.
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I read that in the Gollum from Lord of the Rings voice (creepy "my precious" dude).
>>>TP and DD called it right down the line and the current plan is to allow the British press to destroy this couple.<<<
Yes, I think TP and DD was right on so much for so long despite that 99% of posters here called them crazy and trolls. There are more trolls on here who were wrong (and now changing their tune since the 'Markle 'Manifesto'.
With the added bonus they will have put work into Royal Sussex merching and Royal Sussex Foundation. Then the RF kills all this via revoking their Sussex titles.
Calling Meg and Harry “dissidents” elevates their tawdry cash grab into some kind of political stance on a par with the likes of Nelson Mandela or Alexander Solzhenitsyn, don’t you think? What we have here to greedy, lazy hedonistic stoners who are trying to extort Harry’s grandmother for an unlimited funding of their selfishness. They want all of the perks on their terms with zero giving back on their part. I’m sure if the late Nelson Mandela was stilll with us the Narkles would have tied to meet him while in SA. As it was, Meg had to settle for Bishop Tutu As her merching platform for a baby jumper. That was the entire purpose of that visit.
These two are not victims of a racist oppressive regime except in their own minds, because they were expected to adhere to family policies and a moderate and non-onerous amount of public appearances in support of the firm. They were not willing to do even that much. I did not say that Harry was being held hostage or kidnapped. I do believe that for their own protection the royal family needs to curtail his communication with his wife until the terms are finalized. They would be stupid not to; you do not give your adversary full access to your strategies in negotiation. This is a tactic which Megan certainly understands and always employs to her benefit. She’s not in the country and has no power or role in this negotiation, But she will spread rumors and lies if given even a crumb of information. Harry is compromised on a number of levels, so any watching of him it’s for his own benefit too as I fully believe he could harm himself either accidentally or on purpose in his unhinged state, especially if they play hardball with him. A grown man should not need a watcher, but Harry is in many respects more like an erratic adolescent. I think this whole process is being conducted Like a deposition, and no one involved is allowed to leak information. Everyone would respect this except Harry, so if he needs a babysitter, I think he will have one. That’s not the same as being kidnapped.