There's almost too much news to handle right now about the Duke and Duchess of Sussex's decision to remove themselves from Royal life.
Will they be able to take their titles with them as they live part time in the UK and part time in North America? Will they be able to take the Duchy of Cornwall's money with them?
And since Meg has departed for Canada and left Harry behind in the UK (and has been photograped not wearing her wedding rings) is the marriage finished?
And what about Archie?
Let's discuss in this second open post.
Will they be able to take their titles with them as they live part time in the UK and part time in North America? Will they be able to take the Duchy of Cornwall's money with them?
And since Meg has departed for Canada and left Harry behind in the UK (and has been photograped not wearing her wedding rings) is the marriage finished?
And what about Archie?
Let's discuss in this second open post.
Comments
This is a key question, and something that I can't believe HM and her aides can overlook. At least someone has to come out of this with some disappointment, and it surely can't be those who are in direct line for the throne.
I read today that HM is wanting to get everything right so it covers Louis and Charlotte too, but I hope that isn't a case of altering a job description that just glosses over some very important and long standing roles.
If Megs & Harry land in the US, they'll become a joke on late night television in a very short time. It's not that Americans dislike British royalty, not at all, they just have no ingrained deference for it. If they live in the US, Megs better pile up the cash as quickly as possible, the only thing that protects people from ridicule & scandal in the US is the $$$ to pay for good lawyers, & even then it's often not enough. We also respect competence. The public has seen Jeff Bezos' dick, but as long as their Amazon package gets to them on time, they don't care. We have compassion for victims, but not whiney, pampered royal victims. I shudder to think of Harry pouring out his guts on US daytime television. For heaven's sake, man up, get a decent therapist, & keep your problems to yourself, we all have our own problems. We just don't care about yours, you fool. If you're amusing, we'll put up with you, but even Paris Hilton has never asked for our pity. We do drive our celebrities to all kinds of self destruction, you can read about in the Daily Mail. As I've said before, Harry in the US will be like a zoo animal released into the wild. Megs may think they can build a kingdom in Canada & bag US riches, but I can't really think of a Canadian product, person or company that's worked for. Sure, there are likely some big Canadian corporations coining money in the US, but they keep their names out of the paper. The big danger for Harry & the RF is his wife. Like Trump, she adores attention, those camera clicks are like a drug to her. It's sickening to watch how she gets her mug into every shot, & she can't keep her yap shut. She'll have an opinion on everything. Danger for the BRF.
Thank you Wild Boar BattleMaid. I knew it was someone (loved the comment part: minor and I wonder who).
What are people's ideas on what he can use to 'bargain' with ?
Someone over on Skippy’s blog raises what seems like a logical point. Do we believe BRF negotiations really are happening via conference call? Seems rather insecure. Precedent seems to be that meetings happen in person...with the exception of when one is abroad (e.g. Charles speaking to his mother regarding PA).
Perhaps they have all convened in person since Tuesday to hammer out details, but this poster’s theory was that we are seeing BRF PR stories and it’s actually all settled. Just trying to poll Nutties to see who finds this theory plausible.
I’m trying to patiently wait this out, but I don’t like the headlines (Meg PR? Or is there truth in them?), so looking for reasons to feel optimistic this con will not be tolerated.
Good Afternoon :-)
Yes, it does seem a logical point. Why risk something so important being heard? I agree, I don't like the tone of some headlines either, and wondered where they were coming from.
"The public reaction to continuing their funding would be fearsome now. As a couple of posters have said, 'ordinary' people who never took an interest in the royals are becoming exercised about this. If the funding continues, they'll want a complete, transparent review of royal finances across the board. The mood is building up like the Windsor Castle fire and the week following Diana's death."
I agree. Initially I thought that public opinion was on their side in GB but now I see that I was very wrong. The usual 'wokerati' may whine on about 'tabloids' and 'racism' but most people can see through all that and know that these two are a pair of selfish tossers. There's even talk of a referendum about the royals' very existence - the worst nightmare for HM and Charles. They HAVE to be seen to take action. If they give the Harkles everything they want, it would be an enormous blunder.
"I do think it's quite possible H&M will get what they want, but if so the Queen and Prince Charles will have alienated William, possibly permanently and the Queen MUST take that very seriously. Who is more important?"
Yes I'll bet William is the most angry of the lot about this. He and his wife have played their roles pretty much impeccably in recent years, and now his spoilt little brother and his nasty wife are threatening to ruin everything he, his father and grandmother have worked for all their lives. He must be beside himself with rage.
That's why I say that HM cannot let this go and must do something. You cannot appease the unappeasable. These two want it all, with jam on it. There is already a lot of cynicism about the royals after the Andrew debacle, and the press are clearly gunning for the Harkles. If they think they've been treated unfairly until now, they ain't seen nothing yet. If HM caves in, the gloves will come off completely. So they have to be prepared to brazen out the cries of 'racism' and 'Think about Diana!' from a small but vocal minority. In reality the vast majority of Brits will applaud them if they take a tough line with these chancers.
Like I say, a right royal mess.
1. It is not as if they were going to lose lucrative deals. Megsy already had a deal with Disney sewn up and was going full-steam ahead with making other deals.
2. Breadcrumbs are scattered all over the place as proof that she was putting this plan in place before Archie's birth, and even before they became an item (on their first dates). There was no urgency.
3. Negotiations had started with the Queen and Charles. Harry has been royal his whole life. He knows you don't just waltz in and demand a meeting with the Queen, or his father. He knows he is Counsellor of State, that financing is complicated ... He also knows that his family have been and would be very accommodating, but also that they cringe at having dirty linen exposed in public (especially just after the Andrew debacle).
4. The narrative she is putting out there (via Tom Bradbury) is that the photo op and official portrait of the monarch and heirs tipped their hand as they saw it as being sidelined in a slimmed down monarchy. Did you really say something so stupid Tom? Not only was this plan being worked on from the moment she met Harry, but she had started acting on it before those photos of the Queen and her heirs.
If Megsy cannot have the top job in the BRF, then it must be destroyed. It was an irrationally destructive move. However, she lives in a bubble of delusion and what she did not anticipate was that public opinion would not support her and her husband. She is probably just listening to those shouting about racism, bullying, modernisation, making billions, new woke influencers, and ignoring the polls.
Meghan has only two strong bargaining chips in this war she has started: Harry and Archie. Harry is now in London without her. Archie is in Canada with her.
I feel your pain, and understand your inner incandescent rage! I wonder how William really would react if he thought the two grifters were getting preferential treatment. He is known to have a temper. Three generations of the Royal Family have to thrash it out and come out with the best solution, and I feel William should be allowed the final say, as he is going to be on the throne the longest for quite some time.
I remember in my PA days attending conference calls for an international merger of two major companies, one UK the other US (which fell through) and there was always a stilted quality, people trying not to talk over each other, trying to guage those on the line with none of those vital visual cues. Attention can wander. Impatience grows. People don't listen enough. The royals need to be together. In person. Especially since they routinely live in separate households and are notoriously formal with each other.
FYI for the Brits. Surfing is no longer mellow. Professional surfers are as ruthless as Wall Street traders, & over population & over development has made access to good surfing spots a dog eat dog proposition. Harry & Megs supposedly would be rich enough to suss out some nice quiet spots to enjoy the sea.
Nice to know that someone understands me. Up until now, no one asked me if I'm ok, hehehe!
As an aside, it shows just how brazen the Harkles were to let all hell break loose when the senior royals were out of London.
Hahahahaha! What are you doing??? I'm laughing my arse off and I'm no longer incandescent with rage!!! Stop that or I'll hit the ground running ;)
The media is highlighting the royal power vacuum again, just as they did so recently with Prince Andrew. Prince Charles needs to get a grip. He can't afford to be too human. That's the price of being a present or future king. We've seen that for centuries. Is he going to be a Mary Queen of Scots or an Elizabeth I?
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I read that in the Gollum from Lord of the Rings voice (creepy "my precious" dude).
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Sorry for the tardy reply. No, not sarcasm. I read it as titles must go if Harry lives outside the UK. Was I wrong?
If any of the speculation is correct or even partially, the cost could rise to over a £1 million per year, and if they are able to rake in millions per year, why can’t they fund it themselves?! They won’t be working royals, they want to be private citizens, but they want it all ways and want the tax payer to pay for the privilege.
Perhaps the " H&M get everything" stories are leaked to the press to get support or a reaction. M also apparently leaked the Disney voiceover deal and interview with Gail.
Twitter showed an open invitation to "real housewives of Beverly hills" . She wishes she could live in Beverly Hills....
Meg's can hit the casting couch while Harry remains in England.
If she really has Archie, now would be the time for tabloid photos of her holding Archie in public without her wedding ring. THAT might break the internet.
>>>ankee doodle, Diana did say that Charles would not be king. Wouldn’t it be amazing if that were to happen? The way I see it is that William is the monarchy’s only hope.<<<
Wouldn't it be wonderful; if the Queen steps down and then Charles allows William to be King instead of him? That would really handle things superbly..the Queen off the hook, Charles protected from having to rein in his son and William the real hope for success is put in power! If only dreams would come true!!
Oh I totally agree! I think they should be cut off entirely. The York girls don't get taxpayer funded security and they are also the queen's grandchildren. But I doubt that's how HM and the royals see it. Like I say, if anything were to happen to either of them - or worse, the kid - then there would be hell to pay. It might not be worth the risk, even if it is a very small one.
"When we see [the Queen] today, there is a sparkle in her eyes, though she is approaching her 94th birthday. She did not complain when she had to sacrifice ten days of her Scottish holiday while waiting for a new prime minister in the summer, and nor did she complain when she had to undertake two state openings of Parliament within a couple of months, the last one again just prior to her Christmas break at Sandringham.
"In contrast, the Duke of Windsor shirked his destiny and duty. He did not want to be king, even if he would not admit this to himself. Subconsciously, he found an escape route by marrying Mrs Simpson. He must have known that they would never accept her. In his abdication speech he declared: ‘I now quit altogether public affairs, and I lay down my burden.’
"Yet hardly had he crossed the Channel on that cold December night in 1936, than he began to plan his return, thinking he could re-invent himself as a younger brother of the new king, live at Fort Belvedere with his wife, and undertake royal duties – naturally on his own terms. He soon discovered that he was not wanted. He demanded that the Duchess be made a Royal Highness and received by the new King and Queen, this to be recorded in the Court Circular. He said he would not return to Britain unless these things happened. They did not, and nor did his family attend his wedding in France. And so he remained in exile abroad – until he died in 1972. There was a stint as Governor of the Bahamas between 1940 and 1945 but that was to keep him away from Europe.
"He had plenty of time to mull over what he had done. He realised step by step, that he had placed his wife in a humiliating position, wrongly painted ‘as the woman who stole the king.’ His life outside the Royal Family was stylish but ultimately pointless. I saw him only once at Windsor in August 1968. He was 74, and unlike the Queen’s eyes, his eyes were sad and soul-dead.
"The Royal Family exist primarily to support the monarch. They are there when they are needed and they pursue the causes close to their hearts when they have independent time. They do not compete with the Queen – they help her. Those that compete, like the late Princess of Wales, get into difficulties." [...]
"[...] now they [H&M] declare that the pressure is too much. They want to work outside the royal system. They want to do it their way – to control the media access and create an alternative way of presenting royal life to a new generation. They hope to find happiness by these means. It is a brave but alarming prospect and if history is anything to judge by, it is unlikely to work."
Wow. I am tired. I just realized you were not,in fact, quoting English law. Hahaha. I need to put my thumbs away, don't I?
Royal realities are tough. They have to be.
Another poster said the US media supports the H&M. While the NYTimes and the Washington Post have been supportive of H&M they frequently don't have much influence with the American Public.
It's too soon to say how this will be played out the the US and how marketable the are. As an American I'm assuming their popularity is waning in the UK. The tabloids reporting they have enormous commercial potential may be right, but I suspect they are exaggerating the market appeal of H&M.
The next few days will be interesting. IMO, H&M have hurt their"brand" and come as impulsive and greedy, but then I 'm also not a fan of the Kardashians.
On a separate note, I wonder if the media is going to gradually increase the drip of negative Meg articles. Today, they are pointing out she is a narc, and that she clearly knew who Harry was after being besotted by his mother when she was younger (various comments on the DM show many people didn't know about the latter). I am dying to see if they get round to addressing the issue of Archie.
"Poppycock. I now firmly believe that she stalked him for a long, long time aided & abetted by Markus et al. Harrymarkle blog was spot on re timeline etc. I don’t believe she is clever enough to have plotted this alone, she’s cunning as a sewer rat, but lacks intelligence/creativity. Someone is behind this??"
Again Skippy was right perhaps, there were backers! Now to figure out who...would it be inside the UK, say anti-monarchists or outside forces, maybe Megs connections in Canada or even (less likely) US left-wing sympathizers who want capitalist power brought down (after all what is a more staid institution of capitalism than a 1000+ yo monarchy).
I'll try my very best to do it in an impactful way. At any rate, while I'm reading the news, I'm feeling the embryonic kick of my incandescent rage once again.
That's why I'd be shocked (but happy!) if their titles are removed. For the son of a king to have his dukedom revoked would be huge, and it would be much harder for Meghan to trade on the Sussex royal 'brand' if she is no longer HRH. That said, she can and likely will do an awful lot of damage in the interim. That's why I say I just cannot see any good solutions here, at least in the short-term.
My opinion on the dramatic manifesto release and the blindsiding of the royal family and Meghan's (alleged) dramatic stomping off to Canada is a giant PR stunt to gain press worldwide. If they'd quietly gone to Canada, nobody would be covering it breathlessly awaiting the next development. Now they have lots of coverage in the 'woke' press (apparently, nobody in my region seems to care and nobody is covering it). The sites that I mainly haunt (construction, trades, farming) either don't care or scoff that people that old that haven't done anything of substance as yet won't.
She thinks she is bullied and she has to keep the press away from her. MM didn't get that being a royal in duty means you are offering a kind of protection. Now, the tabloids are turning into hungry wolfs.
The leaks favorable to them, I can almost guarantee, come from Miz Meghan to keep interest high (and maybe pressure on PH) because The Claw is out there waiting and she will brook no failures. Better not fail to protect Mommy again, PH!
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Submission: This is the way the monarchy ends,
not with a bang but a C List actress.
What is the point of adhering to duty and service if throwing a tantrum gets a “poor sweet tortured Harry, give him what he wants” response? Can the Queen and Charles not see what that has wrought in the past?
As much as I respect William and Catherine for the way they do their jobs, I cannot support the RF if they give in to Megsy.
If Megsy and Harry’s"charities" cash in on the Sussex name, then every pound that runs through their foundation needs to be made public. Unfortunately, that isn’t possible, so they will take in multiple millions to fund their lifestyle while their followers laud them for their charitable endeavors.
I won’t live to see it, but Megsy and her dim, fragile boy have sounded the end of the monarchy. Congratulations, Harry, you have achieved your secret heart’s desire: a misbegotten avengement of Diana, the punishment of the Queen and your father, and a symbolic usurpation of William’s birthright.
Republic now.
I doubt if there's a physicist anywhere who can explain how an expectant mother who, no matter how good her yoga muscles are, can squat down, knees together, with the weight of a near-term baby and all the gubbins in front of her, and then stand straight up again, especially when wearing sky heels that add to the forward tilt of the body. Her centre of gravity should mean she's stuck in that position, with arms and legs frantically waving like an upturned beetle, tortoise or ewe, only facing downwards, not upwards.
Nah, she's not so wonderful that she can defy the Law of Gravity.
I'm a biologist so perhaps it was more amphibian - external fertilisation in a pond, Harry on top, squeezing, doing the honours, then carrying the youngster in a pouch on his back, as per the Midwife Toad ...
For some reason, I am reminded of a sequence in a Beatles film (was it `Help!'?) - Victor Spinetti as Mad Scientist. Asked what he wanted, he replied ` World domination - if that's all right with the rest of you.'
Well, it's not all right with me!
I agree climate change needs to be addressed, we're going to run out of fossil fuels at some point. I just hate being screamed at by hormonal teenagers. I had enough of that when my own kids were teens, thank you very much.
Kate & Wills have shown great taste by befriending Roger & Mirka, See how that relates to our topic, Nutty?
I think we also need to bear in mind that while we think of the Harkles as a unit, the royals don't. They see Harry, who for all his horrible behaviour, is still one of them - the son and brother of future kings - and they love him. Then they see Markle, who is nothing to them. In fact I'd be shocked if there is a single royal who doesn't despise her. So while they would happily see Markle banished to Outer Mongolia without a penny to her name, they will want to leave the door open for Harry to come back. Given that it's highly unlikely this marriage will go the distance, that might be sooner rather than later.
Yes, the royal family knows of his problems and shortcomings. However, it is the family way to project failures on the person that is influencing (or perceived as influencing) the weak link for the worse. (Or that is how it works in lots of families around here. It is almost always the evil in law that turned little Johnny or Heather to the dark side. Perhaps the folks in the UK are more dispassionate in viewing the failings of their family member.)
Meghan is not cut out for the royal life, she functions under the radar, and that's just not possible for someone married to a royal and subjected to public scrutiny.
A few of the comments, unattributed because it is a private, anonymous forum:
"I think divorce is on the cards very soon now. MM doesn't work well in families...she destroys quickly. The pattern in her life is repeated destruction at base. Probably within a year. Harry has never looked happy entire time of this engagement or marriage...something has been off like there was a gun at his back."
"Harry has had Neptune/Mars for the last 1.5 yrs..... no wonder! Poor guy has been manipulated six days from Sunday. His wake up call is coming and he wont be happy with whats happened in his life. He lives to serve. This isn't what he wants..
Eclipses coming from June are life changing...he is able...and he has proven...he can cut nose to spite face. Divorce is a certainty."
"The next dodgy time for the two of them is likely to be summer 2022, when Uranus will be on their progressed composite Descendant, semi-sextile Moon. That could indicate a desire to go their separate ways, probably instigated by Meghan."
"Meg finding it 'stifling & restricted', even I didn't expect her to be fleeing the Palace after a year already! She's really hiding her true intentions as you'd expect with Mars/Cancer in 12 and is at least as manipulative as Diana, but eventually its bound to put a strain on the relationship and I said it wouldn't last 3 yrs ago....but sadly everyone else at the time was too wrapped up in the fairy tale."
"It is like a re-play of Anne Boleyn & Henry, and/or Wallis Simpson & George. Claws in; utter devastation following; situation permanent. More than she can chew."
"There is more down the pipeline June, 2020. Much more, and I think it will be mostly of the flavour of regret."
"And no doubt this is what she wants to be..a World Global Princess..UK isn't big enough for this bossy madam. As for Harry, he looks as if he's still shell shocked from his exploits in the war in Afghanistan...that and the dreadful early death of his Mother for me is his only excuse for this misjudgment. It's my opinion that he will sadly rue this week and it will be the same ole I told you so. And if you look at the astrology & the chart below with all the planets languishing in cadent 6th house you have to sigh at the bad timing. Ill thought out and impulsive..an act of childish egoistic willfulness. The Queen needs this like a hole in the head..."
"If QUEII doesn't watch it, it will turn to a real constitutional crisis. These two have to be cut off. So this looks to drag on for weeks to mid March. It will be loss of his son. He is being manipulated, blackmailed and threatened by MM using Archie as a pawn. She is planning divorce already..."
I cannot stand Meghan, but I have nothing against Harry and wish him the best. I hope the claws can be removed and the scars heal quickly. My opinion after looking at the charts for hours, is he's being drugged.
I don't understand this.
Harry is not a child but a grown man. He chose to marry her and has defended their relationship at every turn, even falling out with his own brother and now his entire family. He deserves no better. The only innocent here is Archie.
@Liver Bird, I can't deny my empathy for Harry, at the same time, he deserves blame for this mess too. But, blame never solved anything. I really do wish the best for him and he's able to be a better judge of character in the future.
Oh please, please please let her run!
There are few things uglier than American politics right now and this election promises to put all others to shame.
Anyone with one scintilla of a past to hide will rue the day they came up with the fatheaded idea of running. We can't even confirm an appointment without trying to destroy him, his family and their dog.
And that's if that "past" is true! Imagine what we can make up!
Harry and Megs think the British press is bad? Wait until the American press finds them. There is no tradition or intrinsic respect for the RF here. It's going to be "welcome to the feast, my sharky brothers".
So yes, do run! We want you to!
If (note, I said if) there is something hinky about Archie-- his existence or his custody-- something could easily "happen to him." I know that is tin-hatty but H&M have made me skeptical of everything. But it was a but weird they had enough RPOs with them to leave Archie in Canada (presumably with 24/7 protection) and enough others to protect H&M's airport transit and flight back to London. I guess they could have flown over some extras to Canada before they left or made Canada supply protection.
That is what we need in the Markle debacle ... some unvarnished, not wrapped up in PR honesty:
Meghan: I want all the perks of being royal, but hate the life of a working royal (appearances, boring pomp and ceremony events, meeting a whole lot of people I have no interest in). Besides, I cannot tolerate not being the top dog, fully in charge and having full control, of anything. By the way, I don't need money from the BRF because I am well on my way to being a billionaire, but Harry still thinks in terms of being connected to the BRF.
Harry: If I do not give her everything she wants, she will leave me and take my son away from me. Besides, I have to make this marriage work and have the happy family my mother never had. If I can just get this right, it will all finally be perfect, but in the meanwhile I am going crazy.
William/Charles/Elizabeth: Of course we cannot give her all this, but until we can get Harry and Archie away from her, we cannot act to get rid of her. She has Archie, and Harry will dump us for her. Bloody dreadful woman!
Nope, but it is nice to think it could happen! (Please do add anyone I left out ...)
She slapped Lottie? May she rot in hell!
No wonder William broke it off with Harry!
Does the manifesto actually say "we won't work with Kate"?
I'm not really being lazy, I just can't read more the a couple of sentences without having to do something else. I'm afraid I'm actually giving myself brain damage reading the bike thing.
I'm not really being lazy, I just can't read more the a couple of sentences without having to do something else. I'm afraid I'm actually giving myself brain damage reading the bike thing.
Wise decision on your part. You can never be too careful about brain damage.
She's planned all of this, including having a baby, by hook or by crook, to use as a hostage for her megalomania.
I just read that HG Tudor says his twitter is frozen right now for some reason. Most think it's because he has exposed Meg's NPD and gives great insight and definitions to her twisted sick behavior. He gives step by step what she's doing to "win" this war with the queen to get what she wants.
That is what we need in the Markle debacle ... some unvarnished, not wrapped up in PR honesty:
Meghan: I want all the perks of being royal, but hate the life of a working royal (appearances, boring pomp and ceremony events, meeting a whole lot of people I have no interest in). Besides, I cannot tolerate not being the top dog, fully in charge and having full control, of anything. By the way, I don't need money from the BRF because I am well on my way to being a billionaire, but Harry still thinks in terms of being connected to the BRF.
Harry: If I do not give her everything she wants, she will leave me and take my son away from me. Besides, I have to make this marriage work and have the happy family my mother never had. If I can just get this right, it will all finally be perfect, but in the meanwhile I am going crazy.
William/Charles/Elizabeth: Of course we cannot give her all this, but until we can get Harry and Archie away from her, we cannot act to get rid of her. She has Archie, and Harry will dump us for her. Bloody dreadful woman!
Nope, but it is nice to think it could happen! (Please do add anyone I left out ...)
I believe that you've covered the salient points.
You are rolling. Institution that rewards failure is doomed. I am sorry to say even dutiful and beautiful Kate, Wills and their kids will not save it.
New CDAN Blind:
"Blind Item #3
Behind the scenes there was apparently a lot of drama about the owner of the house where the alliterate royal and her husband were staying. The general public doesn't know who owns it, but the family does and he has not been a friend of the country, so it was a shock the couple decided to stay there."
The Harkles always seem to do something inappropriate and or shady in all aspects of their lives.
Trudy
If she did run, yes nothing will be overlooked in her past. And the US press doesn't play by palace rules ... stay with me ... if she were running, would she need RPO's paid for by the UK? but would those who manage the would be nominees for President really think having her in the White House, after careful study of her public visits, criticism of her inability to follow directions, possible drug use, etc. come to the conclusion that even if she was to be a puppet for them, they could handle her for 4 years?
Ava C thanks for the portion of the Hugo Vickers.
What jumped out at me was ..."The Royal Family exist primarily to support the monarch. They are there when they are needed and they pursue the causes close to their hearts when they have independent time. They do not compete with the Queen – they help her. Those that compete, like the late Princess of Wales, get into difficulties." [...]
M laid plans long ago to be able to pull this off now. Not fair to the Queen or the others. I can only hope that she, and PP, live long enough to see this through.
We instinctively try to protect somebody who we think is vulnerable and wounded. But Harry doesn't deserve our sympathy. He betrayed his brother, injured Kate (in whose house he was always welcomed), insulted his grandmother in the most disgusting way and deserted his duties and charities. This didn't happen immediately after his mom's death when he had a shock. This happened after years of sheltered and pampered life. All his screw-ups were hidden and dealt with quietly, he never faced consequences of his actions. Royals are reaping what they sow.
I believe that she mistakes courtesy and manners with weakness.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0041546/
Kind Hearts and Coronets (1949)
A distant poor relative of the Duke of D'Ascoyne plots to inherit the title by murdering the eight other heirs who stand ahead of him in the line of succession.
>>>Do you all think it is possible that the fact that the archieharrison domain names were registered in February 2018(!) means that she was plotting her fake pregnancy and world domination even then? And would she have registered a girls name combination at the same time as well? >><
Meg and Harry could have increased the likelihood of having a son by using a relatively successful technique of centrifuging the sperm to increase the likelihood of the XX chromosome. Couples have been doing this for a long time, especially with couples who adhere to the concept of having a male child is better/desired.
H&M are thieves, if it is true they were setting up deals before they had permission from HM to "step down," whatever that means. It seems to me they just want to be able to make money and not have to open new hospitals, etc. H&M have no sense of service, duty, or even decency. They had their website set up and pulled the trigger allegedly.
I would 100% believe she could hit or slap someone. We have seen how she pushes people out of the way and doesn't stop and see if they are OK. I think she feels rage at baseline.
Even if they keep their titles, I think it's safe to say many are appalled at how they have behaved. MM won't be able to require everyone she works with to sign an NDA. So the more she works, the more people will see what she is truly like. When her work is criticized, she'll throw tantrums. But she won't have the RF to protect her. She'll likely dump more money into PR because she's terrible with money. And she'll likely blow through Harry's money as well.
Lastly, I love how the Sun article highlighted how her charity work was the bare minimum and she hasn't kept up with it!
No, but only three names were mentioned: the Queen, Charles and William ... the three decision makers.
I believe that she mistakes courtesy and manners with weakness.
And, that one does nothing whilst chewing on your stiff upper lip like thinking out your plans for war if it comes to that.
Kind Hearts and Coronets - loved it.
Date of domain registration: February 2018, wedding in May 2018
If she said she was preggers, need the wedding in the spring and so on, it would change the timeline for the name decision, hence February could make sense.
JUDITH WOODS, The Daily Telegraph: 'Blame is pointless. Meghan was just not that into Britain'
GILES COREN, The Times: 'Sorry Mum, I'm stepping down as a senior Coren'
JANICE TURNER, The Times: 'Harry and Meghan will outgrow the Queen'
FIONA PHILLIPS, The Mirror: 'Harry has every right to be angry and protective of his own little family'
JEREMY CLARKSON, The Sun: 'Resign from the Royal Family? Do they know the next in line is…Prince Andrew?'
CHRISTOPHER WILSON, Royal Biographer in The Sun: 'What will happen if the wheels fall off Prince Harry and Meghan’s love wagon?'
CAROLE MALONE, The Daily Express: 'I *despise* to say I told you so'
MARK STEEL, The Independent: 'No wonder Meghan and Harry are stepping back – she’s probably running for Labour leader'
AMNA SALEEM, The Guardian: 'Harry and Meghan were meant to embody post-racial Britain. So much for that'
ANNE MCELVOY, The Evening Standard: 'The Meghan I met was impressive and determined — but this path will be hard'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7876065/Royal-commentators-say-Duchess-fallen-love-UK.html
If anyone has a membership in this closed blog I would like to know what some insiders there think?
I do wonder why Rach hates Kate so much though. It's pathological. I know that Kate is everything Rach wishes she could be (and will never, ever be), but that doesn't usually cause such viciousness.
SO, I typed that last night and then fell asleep sitting up in bed. Long week. I'm going to go see what fresh hell has been unleashed.
Further browsing around took me to twitter - @yachtgirlmm where it's reassuring that not all the USA adorse her.
Also, they've re-tweeted a couple of things from Yankee Wally that have probable disappeared by now. Take a look at 21st & 23rd Nov 2019.
In one a lady lets a rather large cat out of the bag about MM's earlier life. This video is still available on You Tube but when I listened the other day I didn't hear the critical phrase highlighted here (of course, the speaker may have been thinking of someone else... )
In the other - well, you may not be able to see it if it doesn't play full-screen but listen carefully. It contains a bombshell about Doria - looks to be pukka gen.
What had me groaning though was this, on 3 Nov 2019:
" If you give up your fins for legs, you lose your voice."
Tell that to the toads.
But where the heck did she get that from? When I did vertebrate palaeontology (and I doubt the story has changed in a mere 50 years) the legs of vertebrates evolved from fins but voice boxes and ears evolved ultimately from gill arches via jaws and a few other bits and pieces if my memory is correct. She is talking out of the far end of her alimentary canal - and that has nothing to do with fins or gill arches.
Just shows pure ignorance doesn't stop her pontificating.
Does any Nuttier know where it is in the Manifesto that explicity states that Rach does not want to work with Catherine? If so, pls let me know. I refuse to give them the click.
As for slapping charlotte, I don’t believe that because if someone slapped my child I would 1) beat the shit out of her or 2) arrest her for assault and 3) pull my child from the wedding. They could save face by saying she had a stomach bug or something.
MM would have been sporting a black eye for her wedding if she had slapped my child.
So IDK. Hard to believe.
What would be the point in supporting King Milquetoast I and his son Prince Scaredy-pants?
I keep seeing that picture of Harry in my mind where he is clearly in in a snit about something...arms folded across chest, pouting, and (I think) Kate and ELF are trying to talk him down, while William just chats with his friends. What kind of royal acts like that in public? I have to wonder how complicit the RF are in this mess. He has clearly been overhauled and spoiled.
https://youtu.be/iCRy5aaNkus
It is an interview with a royal photographer (Arthur Edwards) who has been photographing Harry his whole life. It is actually quite sad to watch.
Near the end, there is a clip of the meeting with Archbishop Tutu. After Meghan has got the photo she wants (and which she is now using on her website), she turns her back on Tutu, leaving him standing there, and walks ahead. Harry goes over to talk to Tutu and accompany him into the building. What we are seeing is the behaviour of someone with NPD and how her husband has adjusted his behaviour to step in and smooth things over (he must know, even if just subconsciously, that she has just been incredibly rude), but is so dominated and controlled by her that he goes along with it, every time except on the balcony at Trooping the Colour (gosh, she must have been angry about that and he probably had to do a lot of begging and placating).
This is an update to Part One, #8,
8. "They'll be fabulously rich!" is absurd, but that fiction actually benefits the BRF game. If H & Rach will be fabulously rich with millions and billions and will be the bestest ever, then no harm done when they only get grace & favor Frogmore and $2M a year (like that's going to keep Harry in polo ponies and Rach in wigs!). So, the pittance from the BRF won't matter because the Dumbartons will be fabulously rich.
Adding:
a. The stories about how fabulously rich they'll be and how the BRF are capitulating are there only to create a frenzy and force the BRF to capitulate to the public, a la Diana days, and that is their purpose.
b. The fact that Rach has already left (which I didn't know at the time of original writing) and Harry is left to negotiate (ROFL, really, Harry is going to negotiate with the likes of Wills and Lord G (I know he's there), etc. Oh, I would love to serve the chocolate biscuits at that one (and yes, that's an homage to Love Actually). Something is off with Harry staying home and talking on the phone to Her Maj, Chas, Wills, et al.
Also, if you haven't seen the DMs polling charts, Wills has rocketed up there. Seems the British like a king with cajones.
PART 1
Why the stability of the Crown now rests on the shoulders of Camilla and Kate
Although I noted in this paper a fortnight ago that courtiers feared the Duke and Duchess of Sussex were about to detach themselves from the Royal family and, largely at the Duchess’s insistence, spend more time abroad, not even my impeccable sources predicted that the break would come as quickly, or as unilaterally, as it did last week.
Forests of newsprint have been expended in describing the differences, real and alleged, between members of the Royal family. It is a signal achievement of the Sussexes that, in their announcement about “stepping back” from royal duties – which took everyone from Her Majesty the Queen downwards by surprise – they have brought a rare unity to the family and its courts. Everyone, it seems, is appalled.
At Buckingham Palace, the breach of protocol in not following the wishes of the Sovereign, or properly consulting her, caused outrage for its lack of manners and respect. At Clarence House, there was bewilderment among the Prince of Wales’s household, knowing as they do the almost total reliance the Sussexes have on funds from the Duchy of Cornwall. And at Kensington Palace, the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge suddenly realised that they, alone of their generation in ‘The Firm’, will now have to bear a burden that ought to have been shared with the Sussexes.
What unites these households, above all, is the certainty that the way of life the Sussexes seem to envisage – going off to live in Canada, but then turning up in England and opting in to the Royal family as and when they feel like it – is not feasible. Courtiers are also bemused by how this couple with an Atlantic-hopping lifestyle (so much for the carbon footprint and their “progressive” intentions) will achieve the “financial independence” mentioned in their statement, and still live in the style to which the Duke has been accustomed and to which the Duchess has recently become so.
They must also ensure, in making money, that they do not make the monarchy seem grubby by relying on their link in touting for business. The coming months will provide a forceful reality check, and there may well be tears before bedtime.
They must also be careful not to try the patience of British public, already near its limits. As any 12-year old child should merit, Prince Harry enjoyed great sympathy when his mother was killed in a car crash in Paris in 1997 with her delinquent boyfriend. But he is no longer a 12-year old child even if, in the eyes of some who have had to handle him, he occasionally behaves like one. Unlike the rest of his family – who cheerfully manage their accident of birth – he refuses to do so, except when it suits him: a cast of mind his wife actively encourages. It is useful, for example, to have a family that can provide a marital home amidst some of the finest real estate in England, a father who out of his considerable income can furnish the means for long holidays in Canada, and generous friends who will wheel out the private jet.
Going with the royal status that brings such perks are, as with any job, pressures. They include scrutiny by the press, which the Sussexes find objectionable unless on their terms, such as when the media highlight one of the excellent charitable ventures they patronise. The Duke says that every time a flashbulb goes off he thinks of the death of his mother.
That is unfortunate; but he either forgets, or does not know of, the lengths to which she went to cultivate and manipulate the press after her marriage failed, in seeking to punish her adulterous husband and, incidentally, his family, by contrasting her saintly public image with his tarnished one. The flashbulbs that fired, and which the Duke finds so distressing, often did so at his late mother’s invitation or with her connivance. Like her younger son, she was better at plotting wheezes than grasping their consequences.
The Duke, whose ethic of service as a soldier was rightly praised, but whom no-one ever accused of being Oxbridge material, appears not to have thought through what this proposed change in life will mean to him, his wife and child, his father and grandmother, or to the monarchy to which, in his Wednesday statement, he thrice pledged loyalty. The issues are, as one courtier observed, “complex”, and the complexities have manifestly been too much for the Sussexes to compute, and possibly to handle.
The Duke had no say in his accident of birth. It is right that he should be allowed to choose, now he is in his thirties, whether he continues to do the work, and live the life, associated with it. However, he must recognise that the two are so linked that if one goes, so will the other.
Also, he must realise that one is either among those who do royal duties, and all that that entails (and one thing it entails is media attention) or one is not; if he wants his father’s cash, it seems, he has to decide to do the job that money subsidises. It was evident after the announcement that the public – on whose consent the monarchy relies – were deeply divided over whether the Sussexes’ behaviour was justifiable. They need to brace themselves for a haemorrhage of support from a public that tends to dislike those who want to have their cake and eat it.
Perhaps it has gone to the Sussexes’ head that many media outlets covering their activities do so under the heading of ‘showbiz’ as much as under ‘news’. As a resting actress, the Duchess might think that appropriate; but it also raises the question of how far the celebrity status they have acquired, contingent not on her career but on his birth into the most famous royal family on the planet, will be sustainable once they have opted out of ‘The Firm’.
They may find their currency weakened; and if relying, Kardashian-like, on the Mountbatten-Windsor brand to make a living, they will find problems there, too. Any attempt to exploit the family connection to earn a living risks looking grubby, and besmirching ‘The Firm’s’ reputation. One thing concerning the court – some of whom would dearly like to be shot of the Sussexes altogether – is that even if they try to remove themselves from the control of courtiers, courtiers will still have to police their actions to try to keep the monarchy’s reputation intact during this bizarre attempt to be “progressive”.
When Edward VIII was Duke of Windsor he gave similar headaches to his brother, King George VI, and then his niece, our Queen. He and his American wife went their own way, but any ill-judged activity (such as visiting Hitler before the war, or making a goodwill visit to Washington in war-time with so much luggage that the British embassy had to hire a truck to move it) reflected badly on the whole idea of royalty. Those charged with protecting the reputation of the throne may, on that precedent, have their work cut out.
That this has been allowed to happen reflects the overstretch of the Royal family. It will now be made worse by the Sussexes’ detachment, coming hard on the heels of the Duke of York’s disgrace. The Duke of Edinburgh, retired and in his 99th year, would even a decade ago probably have impressed his feelings on his grandson in a way that would have rattled the windows.
The Prince of Wales, in being by-passed in this way, is said to be bemused and exasperated. His own generational planning for the future of the family will now have to be re-calibrated. And given the unequivocal way he welcomed the Duchess to his family – even offering to give her away in the absence of her own father – he will, friends say, be feeling particularly kicked in the teeth by her and his son’s cavalier behaviour.
Maintaining the stability of the family may now be down to three women: the Queen herself, for whom this is yet another crisis made elsewhere in her family that requires her to steady the ship; the Duchess of Cornwall, who in her time has endured more obloquy than the Duchess of Sussex could ever imagine, and yet has just got on with her duty, winning huge respect in the process, and who must now be an even greater support to her husband.
Likewise, the Duchess of Cambridge, who does not put the proverbial foot wrong and who, unlike her sister-in-law, has accepted that in marrying into ‘The Firm’, it was not her place to change how it operates in order to suit her. She has the potential to be a massively popular Queen Consort when her time comes, but before then must use her level-headedness not just to shore up her husband, but to ensure that their children, one of whom is also a future monarch, will be at ease with themselves, unselfish, and glad to play their part in the institution.
The Sussexes, in treating their royal roles as a dispensable day-job, have done what Walter Bagehot, the 19th century journalist who defined constitutional monarchy, warned ought never to happen: they have “let daylight in upon the magic”. It is up to those not throwing in the towel to see that the magic is restored; ensuring they do no more to upset that process is the most useful way the Sussexes can show their much-vaunted loyalty.
ENDS
By Simon Heffer, Daily Telegraph
The Little Mermaid?
Some of those headlines were hilarious!
And the others tragic. (And I menstruation the worst possible way)
Which only goes to to show that the "woke" (oh, how I hate that term) have no sense of humour at all.I
" If you give up your fins for legs, you lose your voice."
Tell that to the toads.
But where the heck did she get that from?
I believe that is the wisdom from Disney's "The Little Mermaid" in which Ariel trades her voice for legs.
No, but only three names were mentioned: the Queen, Charles and William ... the three decision makers.
I'm not slamming Rach here, just stating the cold truth as I see it. Kate must be a reminder to Rach of everything Rachel is not but Kate is probably also a reminder of all Rach had to do to get to the place behind Kate. My guess is that Rach did a lot of "entertaining". Rumor has it that she was a yacht girl, queen of the casting couch, and even had a wallbanger on the Harvey Weinstein. Think of that heaving, sweating grotesque mess and she still didn't get a part -- that's how bad her talent.
Anyway, what I'm saying is that it would be hard for the most secure of us to stand next to tall, willowy thin, and always nice Kate. And Rach is nowhere near that secure. She saw every photo of Kate looking perfect and herself looking dumpy, and she hated Kate. Add to that the fact that Kate never had to have a heaving, sweating, grotesque mess of any man on top of her to get a part (and still not get one).
I think Rach has laser-focused hate and jealousy on Kate. Kate is a reminder of not only everything Rach can never be, but Kate is a reminder of just who Rach is and what Rach has had to do, and that's gotta suck.
He lives it and if he can't see what we all do, how crass and greedy she is and how she manipulates Harry then there isn't much the British opinion on this will matter.
Their tours have been awful.
One headline really burned me that the Obama's are advising them. Her ego must be through the roof, her, a z list hag going against the RF with ex presidential (and Oprah) advice. How dare they? Charles is really a weak man and I always saw him like that, a whinner himself. Anne should have been in his place. What amazes me is how these AA listers can bear to listen to her hanging out shooting the breeze they are very savvy and have to see how fake and narcissistic she is.
I can't see them really liking her at all.
At Canada house he kept fidgeting his wedding ring, it was commented on. At one point he was standing smiling and talking like he was relaxed, then there comes her hand on his back pulling him down to sit next to her ( was he blocking the camera maybe?).
Stopped his conversation cold she is so rude and repugnant. I can't continue to spend one more minute of my life following this disgusting person
If I thought the British people would demonstrate and complain to the queen, do something, but it looks like they will huddle and protect the harkles.
@tatty, I also find the slapping story exceptionally difficult to believe. It sounds like a game of Telephone gone awry. All was alluded to was that there was a minor disagreement between the mums about Charlotte. That's a giant leap to Meghan slapping Charlotte. I could defo see her rolling her eyes or making a low snide remark or speaking with a sharper tone of voice, not even close to yelling. That kind of pettiness between women who are quite different in personality is believable, even with Kate if she was already finding Meghan's pushiness and perfectionistic staging ridiculous. The DM even mentioned this incident again recently, as well as giving more detail to the tiara story (she wanted to wear a tiara worn by Diana and that the Queen said no, and it was Harry who got upset). They gave more detail to the tiara story but did not mention slapping Charlotte.
Now, a titbit for Jersey Deanne 27th December 2019:
(Heading) Is Meghan Markle on the Run?
`Allegedly, she was hired to get the WOKE speech going in the UK from George Soros and Hillary Clinton to bring down BREXIT. At first, it was shocking and offensive, and many of you were stunned with the race grenades.
The PR became about Meghan Markle patting herself on the back. Do you think the backers pulled the plug?
Now, we are getting low-grade PR, something she tried in the beginning. You guys remembered that she can’t get a campfire lit now. Well, Meg, you didn’t blow up the internet, did you? Your sappy ass ‘I’m not thriving’ in a country that experiences murder on a daily basis isn’t thriving either.
Suing the hand that fed you, I don’t know, call me crazy, I think you shot yourself in the foot for the last time. You took Harry down the tubes with you...'
Sadly, things have changed since then.
Heaven help us - God save us all from New World Order.
It can take very little to trigger it, hence the frequent reference by their nearest & dearest to `walking on eggshells'.
The face is thunderous, the features twist and they rant and rave as if possessed. The sense of menace is shocking; one doesn't dare offer resistance for fear of what might happen. And yet to describe it to others is to be met with incredulity.
M sadly has a reputation for a vile temper - when Harry said he didn't want to `upset' her he may have been thinking of the hot-tea incident Down Under.
"No."
While I am over here in Florida, it doesn't look to me like Prince Charles is a remarkably weak man. He gave up the woman he loved for the family, then went back to her. He has stuck by his ideas for organic farming and traditional crafts while being ridiculed widely.
Just because we do not see public displays does not mean he's not throwing down behind the scenes. Velvet glove.
True, re any conflict ever. And yes, on your summaries, but I particularly like Maj/Chas/Wills lol. I like to picture Wills in motion during his incandescent rage. I see the ceiling shots in Elizabeth as Norfolk and others gather to meet.
Also, the slapping Charlotte- I believe the rumor started as Rach making Kate cry during the fitting (this, I totally believe) and has "telephoned" its way into Charlotte being slapped. (For those who've not played "telephone", it's a child's game with whispers and how the secret changes as it's passed on.)
I do not believe Rach slapped Charlotte. Two reasons:
1) Rach is still alive and
2) Harry was allowed to marry.
If Rach has slapped Charlotte, I believe Her Maj & Chas would've shut that stuff done and had the reason they needed. Regardless of how woke, we do not hit children. Ever. In fact, more wokeness means less hitting, not more. That rumor is too fantastical and non-sensical, with nothing to support it, but it makes for a great rumor.
How can Charles withdraw a title he didn't grant? He cannot do that. Neither can the queen. It takes an act of parliament to revoke a royal dukedom.
@catskillgreen: Oprah personally stated that she did not advise Rach & H. My thoughts (quoting my earlier thoughts):
...Oprah, needing to distance herself from the Dumbartons, would that really happen if the Dumbartons were going to be really, really rich and fabulously successful. In a word, Hell No! (Yes, that's two words :)
...if W&K were to release a statement that Oprah had advised them on Earthshot, which way would Oprah run? Towards the light, baby, towards the light.
I did laugh when I read the author saying exactly the same thing as I've been saying for a while - that if Philip were even 10 years younger, none of this would have been allowed to happen.
Reward loyalty. Also William and Katherine's quiet loyalty needs more rewarding.
We all despise how Harry and Megs Sussex brand monetization and treachery seems to be getting rewarded by Royal cave-ins and appeasement. But the finals are not in on this. Hopefully Harry stays a while to "negotiate" and in the process gets deprogrammed away from the gruesome Duchess.
Leaping ahead ....Post divorce let Megs live with Archie in Canada. Buy a house for her to live in (Toronto?) (Vancouver?) but is owned by the BRF. Pay her off with $300,000 per year (or less) after she signs a ton of NDAs she will leak and violate. Plus a ban on her writing books, subject to her being sued wherever she lives.
So the Queen can bestow the title, but only Parliament can remove it?
Hard to get those dizzy MPs who signed that letter of support on board with that, eh?
@KC, ‘ So the Queen can bestow the title, but only Parliament can remove it?’.
No not an issue for Parliament. It’s already been stated in the British press that the Queen can revoke a title she’s bestowed.
Elle, yes and no
...I think Rach has laser-focused hate and jealousy on Kate. Kate is a reminder of not only everything Rach can never be, but Kate is a reminder of just who Rach is and what Rach has had to do, and that's gotta suck.
I agree laser hate, jealousy and a reminder of what M cannot be. But I think where I disagree that she had to make hard and to us, unpalatable choices. She didn't have to have that life of glitter and adulation but she chose it in the biggest, largest possible version where there is a lot of ugly pay to play options. She could have created a life where she still had those parts of the glittery life but on a more local platform. It might not be movies or tv but local theatre scene and still had public adoration. Pick a charity and propel it to local prominence and then maybe it might get national. I'm not saying that there isn't a casting couch locally but that she had options which might have at least done a better job of creating a more steady paycheck and fewer women who had the bone structure she lacked.
She chose the route with the most potential problems which would exacerbate her worst feelings about herself. She didn't have to (no one put a gun to her head and said "You need to try Hollywood.").
1) Rach is still alive and
2) Harry was allowed to marry.
If Rach has slapped Charlotte, I believe Her Maj & Chas would've shut that stuff done and had the reason they needed. Regardless of how woke, we do not hit children. Ever. In fact, more wokeness means less hitting, not more. That rumor is too fantastical and non-sensical, with nothing to support it, but it makes for a great rumor.
Yep, I'm with Tatty and Elle on this. If that happened to my tiny daughter (or even now to tiny granddaughter), they'd still be scrubbing bits of MM out of the flooring. Catherine may be thin, but she has muscle. MM would be baldheaded for sure.
The chances of that are minute. Not only because it was Charles who insisted that the York girls not be full-time royals - much to his brother's chagrin - but because Andrew's disgrace means the family want to distance themselves from that line of the family as much as possible.
The public mood is clear: fewer royals, not more. There would be considerable anger if the York girls were added to the public purse after all this nonsense with the Harkles.
So yes, totally,
She chose the route with the most potential problems which would exacerbate her worst feelings about herself. She didn't have to (no one put a gun to her head and said "You need to try Hollywood."
And if the way I wrote it originally doesn't make that clear, it's because I thought it would be so very apparent based on my long history of Nuttistancs lol
Clarifying my own words here: by 'what Rach has had to do', I meant through her own choices of how to climb the greasy pole of Hollywood and international fame. These were Rach's own choices, to be sure, I was just reflecting that Rach probably sees it as what she "had to do" in order to have any chance at fame, so she took the Harvey Wallbanger etc.
Charles has spent his whole life preparing to be king. He’s too close to throw it away for a reckless kid and his narcissistic wife.
Charles will do what’s best for Charles and the crown. In that, William, Charles and the Queen have the same interest, protect the crown and themselves and punish Harry in a way that makes them look good.
Getting back to Oprah. I’ve been meaning to see exactly what she said. (But Christmas has got to get put away today and DH is home so I’m short on tome today). Did she say, “I did not advise them” (which is a denial) or did she say, “they dont need my input” (which is not a denial and is instead a pivot)?
I believe he would be VERY marketable as a speaker. Maybe not on the payment schedule of former presidents, but as a very high profile speaker, yes.
(And if he breaks free eventually from a toxic marriage, then even more to discuss as a triumph).
I see it now:
Prince Harry: how to make lemonade from lemons
😛
Re the Obamas, I think it would be incredibly stupid of them to advice Rach & H for myriad reasons, but how do they deny it? It's much more difficult for them to do for all of the reasons anyone with any common sense would see.
I believe in redemption and I think the public would accept them to pick up what H$M have abandoned. Amusing, that for all Charles' oh so modern blather about a slimmed down Monarchy. That the British Monarchy is getting too slimmed down with the exit of Hapless and Company. Too slim to perform normal Royal duties to charities etc.
Anyways, next round is coming up. Will Charles and Wills be added to the Royale Hapless list? That they cannot deal with a remote Gruesome plopped down 4700 miles away with her anchor baby?
Why would a famously thick prince with no real life experience be in demand? What is his area of expertise? Being a spoiled prince with dodgy taste in wives?
Royal Reporter Richard Palmer:
'That figure of 63 per cent opposed to the Sussexes getting any money from Charles, coupled with the findings of our own OnePoll survey in tomorrow’s Daily Express, might ring alarm bells in the Royal Household.'
'Prince Charles, effectively a King-in-waiting, risks a public backlash if he is seen to cave in to Harry and Meghan and allow them to continue receiving cash from the Duchy of Cornwall. The public is also opposed to the couple receiving taxpayer-funded police protection.'
Why would a famously thick prince with no real life experience be in demand? What is his area of expertise? Being a spoiled prince with dodgy taste in wives?
I think that if H were to spill the beans on his wife, the "pregnancy", and the marriage, he might be paid extremely well. In fact, maybe that is something H should consider if his "delay" is really the other D word (and not Diana, but divorce).
@Ava C, brilliant article from the Telegraph, and thanks for sharing. Simon Heffer really seems to have an understanding of Meghan, as he puts so much subtle shade in that article in such an English way. "not Oxbridge material", "lifestyle to which the Duchess has recently become accustomed to"...and more. Bravo!
JamieSedgwick, London, United Kingdom, 16 minutes ago
Let them be independent - take away the titles and access to their 'Sussex Royal, Inc' new USA registered brand name and make them Mr and Mrs Mountbatten-Royal (the surname that son Archie has). Watch how long Meghan sticks around if she's not a Royal. You'll be able to count it in minutes before she asks for a divorce. In fact she'll just tell Harry not to bother flying over. He'll be back to Royal duties on his own and the taxpayer will be paying her for child support.
Exactly what impulsive, hot-headed, insecure, selfish Harry and Meghan are not, despite their shows of confidence and humanitarianism.
What an article.
Why would a famously thick prince with no real life experience be in demand? What is his area of expertise? Being a spoiled prince with dodgy taste in wives?
I laughed out loud when I read this.
@Tatty
Has anyone ever heard H give a speech? I read on this blog that M's speeches tend to be word salads. I try not to listen to her so have no idea.
I believe that she mistakes courtesy and manners with weakness.
And we both know how dangerous that is. "Come closer," spoken aloud with a smile, "so that I may get a better angle for the coup de grâce", said silently with a steely glare. Reminiscent of the handshake & cheek kiss from Lord G to Rach (for anyone who missed it, just cut and paste the link below to see the kiss from many angles).
Of course, I do not expect a coup de grâce, at least not at first. I see thousands of smaller cuts, mostly done in the dark. The coup de grâce comes later. And it might have to do with Archie.
Re the plausible deniability and the BRF re Archie, more in the tin-hat realm, but just thinking that if the BRF wanted to underscore their plausible deniability, mentioning the great grandchild in the Christmas Day speech from Her Maj actually helps. She how fooled she was that she welcomed her great grandchild, whom she believed to be real, on Christmas Day. Doesn't make the case for plausible deniability, but it provides a little more support for it, and many little supports help to make the grander argument for it.
Here is a transcript of Harry's WE day speech in which he said every blade of grass is crucial to our survival and his audience of young people was the most "engaged generation" in history. (Poo on the WWII generation I guess.)
He also quoted MLK on love driving out hate and extolled them to be the greatest generation of all time. He also said to eliminate plastics (but didn't mention synthetics used in clothes including his wife's designer duds), to be kind to each other (except families I guess), to have less screen time, and to be honest. In closing after Meghan joined him for a "surprise" he said "I am with you, we are with you! Get to work."
Yeah, I'd pay to hear that claptrap.
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a26708102/prince-harry-we-day-speech-transcript-2019/
Meghan: Self-important word salad with unacknowledged (or sloppily incomplete acknowledgement) of stolen quotes, plus the insertion of lies abut herself and her accomplishments.
Harry: Since being with Meghan, devoid of his famous charm and charisma (a forced and awkward attempt to mimic said charm and charisma), a mixture of arrogance and uncertainty, tendency to mumble or break down in laughter. It is much worse if she is sitting in front of him.
They will have offers, but it will not be for what they say or the connections they have. It will be the curiosity factor.
>>>I believe he would be VERY marketable as a speaker. Maybe not on the payment schedule of former presidents, but as a very high profile speaker, yes. (And if he breaks free eventually from a toxic marriage, then even more to discuss as a triumph).
I see it now: Prince Harry: how to make lemonade from lemons<<<
Horse poop, and lots of it. Harry can't even string two coherent sentences together as he needs to rely on his wife's word salad. How has that gone over? Like a lead balloon. He wasn't asked to give speeches before his embarrassing break from the BRF so why would him, being damaged goods now be expected to be sought after now.
He can't even get dressed for an appearance much less show up and mouth the words a teleprompter shows him (remember his bizarre mumbling stumbling laughter or crying jag a couple of weeks ago). I know 10 years old who could do a better job of giving a speech w/o a teleprompter, Oh maybe the magic is in him being barefoot, how royal is that.
Harry is a dolt, in the past, a miserable twat in his current state and will probably be an abject failure in the future.
Besides Harry doesn't have anything to say of value anyway...what. I and my trashy wife can tell you how to treat your loved ones with contempt and get paid for it. He and his message stinks to 'high heaven'. May God have mercy on his soul.
Yep, I'm with Tatty and Elle on this. If that happened to my tiny daughter (or even now to tiny granddaughter), they'd still be scrubbing bits of MM out of the flooring. Catherine may be thin, but she has muscle. MM would be baldheaded for sure.
The wigs!!! Lol
Richard Palmer, nothing
Dickie Arbiter, nothing
Emily Andrews, nothing
Victoria Arbiter, link where she and Anderson Cooper discusses MM and racism: https://mobile.twitter.com/victoriaarbiter/status/1216006621341589504
She is also hitting back at critics and said no one knows who leaked it.
Max Foster CNN, nothing
Rebecca English, nothing
Richard Eden, nothing
Dan Wooton, the theories about how he got the story are untrue and irresponsible. Royal commentators (daily mail link) say Harry and Meghan can expect no mercy. Meghan and Harry might have to bow to Kate and William if their titles are taken away. Fascinating details about why Harry and Meghan went rogue with statement (usmagazine.com link that says they were forced to prematurely announce)... so basically a lot of tweets but nothing new.
Some of these reporters had the statements from the Queen and PC to Canada expressing condolences over the Iran plane shot down. I did not include those since not about The Sussex.
It really grates my nerves to see comments and headlines suggesting she and Harry were given no guidance, support, or protection. Especially, her dumb friends now commenting. They were given a multi million dollars wedding (mostly paid for by taxpayers), multi million dollars house (renovated by taxpayers), security teams (paid for by the taxpayers), sovereign grant money (from taxpayers money), duchy of Cornwall money, offices and staff at Buckingham palace, the Queen even loaned her a secretary for 6+ months from her own office, etc. So ungrateful. I hope they get nothing. As it has been said before, Harry has always been at arm's length because he's immature and irresponsible. He has a history of pausing/ghosting relationships with friends, family, etc. Don't call me, I will call you!! I doubt he has any serious dirt on the RF and if he does then most won't believe him (and wife) because of their own history of deception, lies, and immaturity. It will look like he has no loyalty and is throwing a tantrum to hurt his family. Meghan has proved and well known to have no loyalty to anyone but herself.
As for Archie, there were no royal doctors. Unless the Sussex's have an email or some hard proof the RF knew it was a faux pregnancy in the beginning, it could be easily denied. If they learned late or not until after the birth, they could just say they were afraid to hurt the Sussex's who desperately wanted a child. And that the Sussex's created the entire rouse alone. Throw in how they were fooled too. People can relate to being backed into a corner. Women's infertility is a sensitive subject. Many will forgive.
https://people.com/royals/michelle-obama-barack-obama-not-advising-prince-harry-meghan-markle-sources/
No, the Obamas are not advising the Sussexes and have not been in contact with them at all.
He has never met Meghan, and she only met her once when Meghan gatecrashed an engagement she had in London.
And so on ...
Do you think Megsy is spreading these lies because she knows that once it is out there, even if it is debunked, it has done its job in raising her profile and creating an image, albeit false, of her being a very important person? Or is this people in the media just making stuff up?
I suspect the story came from Meghan's camp. And it sort of seemed to work. Some people on this blog even seem to equate H&M with the Obamas in terms of importance, potential influence and future earnings.
I wonder why People published this denial. Isn't it usually Meghan's mouthpiece?
Another good source:
Narcissists are all about control. Everything they do stems from a need to control others. Without someone to control, the narcissist feels empty, unworthy, and void of self-esteem. She requires supply, the same way humans require oxygen to survive. Her partner’s role is to sustain the narcissist’s self-inflated view of herself and meet her need to feel superior.
There are no such things as reciprocity or love in a narcissistic relationship. The more control her partner relinquishes, the more loved and superior the narcissist feels. This is why narcissists can’t stand boundaries and will take extreme measures to trample any and all boundaries you try to erect. To a narcissist, boundaries are blockades to control, and barriers to the supply they seek. When her supply is cut off, the narcissist feels as though her life is in peril. http://www.freefromtoxic.com/2015/06/10/decoding-narcissistic-devaluation/
Thank you Elle, I know your lines of thought most of the time but maybe it was the way I read it.
This is really sh** show played out on the global stage.
The DM Rebecca English story from yesterday says Barrack & Michelle are advising them on leaving the RF.(cannot put the link now ) I agree with you she may have thrown that out there like with Oprah. The story also says they have become close friends. Like I said before how can they hang out with her, listen to her?
She chose the route with the most potential problems which would exacerbate her worst feelings about herself. She didn't have to (no one put a gun to her head and said "You need to try Hollywood.").
My thoughts exactly. Smegs is pathologically jealous of dear, loyal, dutiful Kate--someone she could not/will never be. Someone mentioned on this blog that Meg erroneously thought that since Wm. and Harry are brothers that she would be on an equivalent level as Kate, only to find how wrong her assumption was about her rank in the BRF. Although initially welcomed and included--she has been sidelined due to her own rule-breaking actions and her own rude behavior towards the British people.
As a narc, she wants and only expects the best. Her ego cannot stand being lesser than the top dog. She believes she deserves the best. That being said, she has always had a choice to live a life of character rather than debasing herself by using the casting couch and yachting as a vehicle to climb to the heights of society. She had a choice not to use people in her life and discard those who helped her. She had a choice not to backstab Her Majesty, Charles, and William, not to lie and divide her family.
I agree with you abbyh, she could have carved out a decent life for herself and preserved her self-respect without the casting couch. No one forced her to make all the devious decisions she did.
As for Harry, I think he is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome and the longer he is separated from Rach the better. She treats him like a dog. You only have to watch a few videos of them together to see that!
"I stand again with @SwampWoman:
While I am over here in Florida, it doesn't look to me like Prince Charles is a remarkably weak man. He gave up the woman he loved for the family, then went back to her. He has stuck by his ideas for organic farming and traditional crafts while being ridiculed widely.
Just because we do not see public displays does not mean he's not throwing down behind the scenes. Velvet glove."
Agreed!
Also, in the wedding itself didn't Charles pick the music and the choir? and the speaker? so that the issue of having benefited massively from slavery was brought into the presence of the Head of the Church at a place and a moment when she was hardly likely to say, we will not discuss that. There have been apologies for slavery from US gov, French Gov., Spanish government, and I believe a British PM addressed it, but not the Queen. I can see Charles wanting his sovereign/mother to address the issue herself, as head of the Commonwealth, but she, based on her experience, might not want to stir up that pot (you know, the aristocracy that she tops making money off slavery, and colonies.) And if it was addressed on the political side by a PM, I think Brown or Cameron, she would let that stand. Several years ago this happened, over a period of a few years...If so, good on Charles! Residents of former colonies are indeed still aware of the exploitation which shaped our world. I believe Mischi posted a couple of times several weeks ago describing a complete and total lack of interest in Canada in having a British Governor General foisted on them, after years of having Canadians honored with that official post. (Even if Harry could handle the job. I think not).
It would be interesting to see BP make an announcement along the lines of:
"It is with a heavy heart that Buckingham Palace accepts the resignation of their official duties from the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. The Palace does recognize their very real need for independence, both literally and financially, and accordingly will release them from any royal duties, obligations and responsibilities, as well as their ducal titles, so that they may pursue their new interests unfettered... Blah blah, they will always have a home in Great Britain, blah blah blah.
I don't think that will happen, but boy would I love to be a fly on the wall when QE, Charles, William and the queen's advisers call a huddle and talk strategy.