There's almost too much news to handle right now about the Duke and Duchess of Sussex's decision to remove themselves from Royal life.
Will they be able to take their titles with them as they live part time in the UK and part time in North America? Will they be able to take the Duchy of Cornwall's money with them?
And since Meg has departed for Canada and left Harry behind in the UK (and has been photograped not wearing her wedding rings) is the marriage finished?
And what about Archie?
Let's discuss in this second open post.
Will they be able to take their titles with them as they live part time in the UK and part time in North America? Will they be able to take the Duchy of Cornwall's money with them?
And since Meg has departed for Canada and left Harry behind in the UK (and has been photograped not wearing her wedding rings) is the marriage finished?
And what about Archie?
Let's discuss in this second open post.
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I am truly ashamed by how this is playing out in America. Americans would riot at the idea of paying for a President’s or Senator’s son’s marriage or his daughter-in-law’s wardrobe. Yet here we are calling Brits racists when they are paying for the privilege for an American to crap all over their people, culture, and institutions in Gucci, Pucci, and Givenchy.
***** Her Majesty has insisted the crisis lasts no longer than the six days that elapsed between the Duke of York’s Newsnight interview and his stepping back from royal duties.
The Queen also told courtiers to “turn a crisis into an opportunity” by producing a blueprint not only for her grandson and his wife, but future royal generations, including Princess Charlotte and Prince Louis.
But with the Duchess already back in Canada, a source close to the Duke questioned whether the deadline could be met and suggested they would resist any attempt to reach a hasty agreement on their future roles.
Insisting the Sussexes “were not going to quickly sign off their future and their lives”, the royal insider cast doubt over whether a solution could be found in the “next few days”. *****
It's that last para gives me a little bit of hope. Of course that bit also has me knashing my teeth. They bounce the BRF into this against explicit instructions but then apparently are "not going to quickly sign off their future and their lives". Insert preferred expletives here.
DM says they left guy the beagle and the black lab at the property in Canada with Archie. A local said her husband saw the dog and they have heard English accents at the property.
I love Eugenie and Jack but I don’t know how they feel if they get called up for duty. Bea is ahead of her in the line anyway. I hope they are consulted before this might happen. Bea’s intended seems to like camera, so it could be an even trade 🤔
‘Royal row: The rule Queen will use to stop Meghan Markle and Harry disgracing Royal Family.’
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1226690/royal-family-news-queen-elizabeth-ii-prince-harry-meghan-markle-future
Nelo, please provide links to where it says the royals will appease the Sussex’s, because I can’t find it. In fact I find the opposite, the Express is reporting very much what most of UK tabloid media right now.
Conversely, the Queen may have a grievance about being forced to retire Prince Andrew and may feel that further acknowledgement of public sentiment may reduce her to monarchy by opinion poll.
https://mobile.twitter.com/royalreporter/status/1215760017036541953
“In spite of a number of polls over the past two days showing the public want Harry and Meghan to leave and be deprived of cash, the Queen and her family have no desire to cut the couple adrift. Better inside the tent than outside?”
Then he retweets from Neil Henderson’s twitter:
https://mobile.twitter.com/hendopolis/status/1215757767149002753
“Queen’s deal for Harry” tomorrow’s daily express
It's a picture of the Express's front page that says The Queen will allow them to step down from official duties but the couple will continue to receive royal funding and she assured them that they will have a place in a slimmed down monarchy.
The deeper I look the more bizarre it gets. I’m not one for conspiracy but there’s a lot of crazy claims out there. All I can say is that I can’t wait for the book and to watch the movie. I just hope it has a happy ending!
So it sounds to me like the Queen is going to shut the bad press down by explaining the opportunity for future streamlining of the monarchy, etc.
It is sad if the Queen gives to their demand and they are allowed to make a fortune on the Sussex Royal Brand. This is not may idea of a modern, progressive royal institution. M's behavior as reported reminds me of Bernie Madoff.
Three key events that occurred in swift succession as long ago as 2017 almost certainly contributed to the Sussexes going rogue.
The first came on August 2 2017, when the Duke of Edinburgh retired from public life at the age of 96. While he publicly supported the Queen as head of state, in private he was very much head of the family, offering no-nonsense solutions to domestic problems. The epitome of the royal patriarch, his eldest grandchild Peter Phillips once summed up his dominance, joking that none of his offspring would “dare” tell him what to do. Yet since he has stepped back, the Duke, now 98, largely lives at Wood Farm in Sandringham where he is detached from the daily grind. And while he remains resolutely supportive of his wife of 72 years, when she lost the physical presence of her ‘strength and stay’ at Buckingham Palace, the Queen lost one of her key gatekeepers.
The sudden departure of her private secretary Sir Christopher Geidt that summer exacerbated the power vacuum. The highly respected former Scots Guard, who was ousted after 10 years in a reported power struggle with Prince Charles and the Duke of York, “ran a very tight ship” and his replacement Sir Edward Young is “nowhere near as powerful”, according to insiders.
One source said: “He hasn’t got the strength of character of Geidt. Sir Christopher used to help to sort out all of the family stuff, which is why he locked horns with Prince Charles and the Duke of York.” Although the Cambridge-educated peer was brought back into the royal fold last March as the chairman of Queen’s Commonwealth Trust, of which Meghan is vice president - he is no longer the influential figure he once was.
Some say the departure of Prince Andrew from public life over the Jeffrey Epstein saga has also had an impact - as along with Charles he also used to help keep younger members of the family ‘in check’. Having been forced to step down in disgrace, he no longer has any power to wield on his mother’s behalf.
The other pivotal moment in 2017 that badly damaged relations between Harry, William and their father was the 20th anniversary of the death of Diana, the late Princess of Wales. Tensions built up between father and sons after William - and a lesser extent, Harry - had refused to acknowledge the importance of Charles’s role in their upbringing after their mother was killed in a Paris car crash in 1997, when they were aged 12 and 15 respectively.
There was also a rift between William and his father over a previously unseen photograph of George inadvertently appearing in a video broadcast. For a period, relations with Harry were much better. But since he married Meghan and as the schism between the Sussexes and the Cambridges has widened, William and Charles have been increasingly working in tandem, leaving Harry feeling pushed out. With talk of ‘transition’ now high on the agenda behind palace gates, the second-in-line to the throne is being increasingly involved in decision-making as the future Prince of Wales. Yet his attempts to rein in his unruly sibling have only made things worse between them as Harry has kicked back at what he has perceived as William pulling rank.
It's a picture of the Express's front page that says The Queen will allow them to step down from official duties but the couple will continue to receive royal funding and she assured them that they will have a place in a slimmed down monarchy.’
If you go to The Express’s website it makes no mention of the content above. I posted the link to the article a little way up. It looks like they’ve changed the content.
@Ava C Harry needs to grow up. He will continue to be a problem especially when William ascends to the throne.
The Queen should also take away all houses including Frogmore, and leave them the generous allowance of 30 thousand pounds a year. Which they can use for housing, food and renting Archie. Since they are so "woke" They can stay in Africa (which the old Harry used to love)and let them be humanitarians by constructing wells, houses,and volunteering in hospitals.
That way they are still part of the royal team, and have all the privacy they wanted, away from the paparazzi.
Meg’s appetite is bottomless, but the British tax payers have their limits.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5e1865bec5b6da971d143c06/amp
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1226954/the-queen-news-reaction-meghan-markle-prince-harry-resign-funding-royal-family
It says the queen cut them a generous deal. They will receive protection(UK and Canada are discussing it). They will still have a place in the monarchy. If you don't believe it, read telegraph. It says something similar.
As far as her cashing in by writing a book or autobiography, how much can she really say? She's only been a duchess for 20 minutes.
And, her charity agenda is weak and thin to say the least. She hasn't really done anything in that venue either. It's not like she has contributed as much as say, Willie Nelson or others who have spent their entire professional career doing fundraising. We'll see I guess.
They will probably be allowed at the big events like trooping, but they won’t be allowed to speak or officially represent the crown. Sort of like Zara.
A couple of things:
1. Would it honestly matter whether or not H&M are getting a divorce in regards to Harry's role within the BRF and his titles? So far, the British public seems outraged by H&M's demands that they basically keep everything and in return will move away and do few/no royal duties. Would Harry really be welcomed back if he dumps MM? Whether that's within weeks (if divorce proceedings are already on its way as claimed by some) or in a few years/decades. I'd say he's blown it and even if he grovels he'll never get public approval again, let alone resume his royal duties.
2. One (or more?) of the many articles about Megxit claim that H&M broke the news because it was leaked and Harry had initially refused to put his proposal on paper because he fearred exactly that. Saying something along the lines of things like that always getting leaked... A couple of posters here said/implied H&M leaked it themselves in order to announce the news and their conditions themselves, despite QEII's instructions. However, I would not be surprised if Harry really is so very dim he hasn't realized yet that everything he writes down is "miraculously" leaked because his wife leaks it.
3. How fabulous would it be if any of H&M's patronages or even that rugby thing he's scheduled to attend (or whatever) next week, would come out publicly with a message kindly thanking H&M for considering/supporting them but no thank you. I remember back when MM's patronages were announced, a couple of anti-MM folks on the DM were wondering if there were charities who'd politely declined or wished they felt they could've declined MM's patronage without offending the BRF.
Picture of her and the "Turkey family" on Twitter
https://twitter.com/lilavarisi/status/1215675000881131520
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@Narc's Daughter and @Hunter
I believe this photo is of Markle's friend Benita Litt and her family. Those 2 girls are Litt's daughters who were bridesmaids in Markle's wedding. Benita was at the wedding sitting near Doria.
I've seen this picture before - I think in an old DM article about where Markle had spent Christmas that year. It might have been the Christmas after it first came out she was dating Harry.
I thought Litt was Latino not Turkish.
Maybe this photo has been mis-identified?
Black comedian Gina Yashere said ‘every black person knew this was coming’ because Meghan had faced ‘constant racist vitriolic abuse disguised as criticism’. The New York Times ran a comment piece headlined: ‘Black Britons know why Meghan Markle wants out: It’s the racism.’
Yesterday, Labour leadership contender Clive Lewis – who is mixed race – said: ‘If you look at the racism Meghan Markle has experienced in the British media, then I understand why... it can’t be easy being a royal.
Speaking on Newsnight, the singer Jamelia said: ‘Every single word used against Meghan Markle is steeped in racism.’
Novelist Sir Philip Pullman described Britain as a ‘foul country’, and tweeted: ‘Of course Meghan Markle is attacked by the British press because she’s black.’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7874815/Racism-drove-Meghan-Markle-Britain-say-prominent-black-Britons.html
This is absolutely ridiculous. I saw a couple of racist articles when Harry started dating her but apparently any criticism of Meghan at all is racist.
I never paid much attention to the RF but from reading about the members in the past year or so, I have more respect for K&W than H&M who seem more like reality TV figures.
I'm just copying some paragraphs from the Daily Mail article and have been so bold as to give my opinion:
"Charles has been bunkered down in these discussions to develop a 'workable solution' to the couple's 'progressive' future, his primary concern is the welfare of his son."
Your son is in the grip of a psycho narc, so of course he is not alright! Why can Charles not see that the problem is Meghan?
"Another source close to the Prince of Wales said he believes the Sussexes are the monarchy's 'greatest asset' and has ordered officials to double down on efforts to keep the couple in the fold."
Gosh, that is the biggest insult to William and Kate. There is more like the paragraph that I have just quoted. Charles has insulted the couple who ARE the monarchy's greatest asset. William is going to be stocking up on scarves. I just hope he also does what he needs to do to protect his family from the toxic Sussexes because they will do harm.
What Sarah has said in the post above is sensible and reasonable. What has been published in the tabloids is not.
This soap opera may still have many more episodes!
You cannot be a prince of the U.K., and receive taxpayer money from the people of the U.K., and not live there, nor do any work there. Not in 2020, anyway.
An heir to the throne cannot be raised in a foreign country.
If the news officially hits that the BRF is capitulating to the Sussexes, watch out for the backlash.
torontopaper
@torontopaper1
After a night long discussion we decided the following statement: the baby is an innocent victim with no choice in what he has endured. We respect that and confirm only that he is safe and in the hands of the family she never had.
5:22 AM · Dec 9, 2019·Twitter Web App
Whether that's still true, or not, I don't know. However, I tend to believe TP. JMHO.
Wouldn't it be wildly insane if he was in the custody of William and Kate?
That 93 year old woman will do what neither Margaret, Diana, nor Andrew could, and that is destroy her life's legacy and permanently irreparably damage the British monarchy.
"In many ways, this outlook was shaped by her experiences as an obscure actress struggling to make her name. In her 20s, she swung between periods of ecstasy and abject despair. When she landed a film or TV role the champagne corks would pop; when she was rejected she would wallow in bed for days, swallowing her misery with glasses of wine and junk food."
Who was discussing bipolar?
Frankly, that scenario makes me physically a little ill. If true, I would have to say the mighty Lion of Britain has lost his teeth.
If the Queen.Charles caved in I am beyond disappointed in them. I will want a republic...why should public funds go to these leeches, a grifter and her patsy? Why should money go to an aging Monarch that ignores the will of her subjects? She may have served her nation well for m decades but sometimes good things can come to an inglorious end. And Charles is no better. People have long suspected he might not be up to the task and it seems that is true (Diana was right). I always suspected Charles giving Megs an obscene amount of money for her clothes was strange even suspect (it was a foreshadowing of things to come. What next...what worse can happen. The Queen has undone in one fell swoop what took centuries for the BRF to achieve. She ought to put a sign out front of Buckingham Palace, 'Royal Access is for sale.
Fergie looks like a saint next to Megsy, heck Dianna too. The Queen should just fork over the crown jewels to Meghan since I am sure she wants them and that will surely be a demand she makes down the road. Give the Harkles a wing in Buckingham Palace since that is where Meghan wanted to live instead of Frogmore.'
If I was William, I would just abdicate since him and his family isn't the best royal asset. Let him make his demands now too since the Queen is in a ridiculous squandering mood. Why should he work hard and fly right. Poor Kate. Poor George, Charlotte and Louis. What role models are they going to have. Two whinging extortionists, their aunt and uncle proves it pays to play and act like greedy pigs. The House of Whinging and BRF should be known henceforth as the British Royal F_ckers.
Sad to say.
Gag inducing article by Byony Gordon of the Telegraph. Trigger warning! Have a barf bag ready.
Is Richard Palmer always correct? I know he's a reporter, or something like that but is he in the know on everything?
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I don't think he was correct when he insisted that M&H and Archie dined at that pub- even after the pub owner denied it AND even after blurry photos came out that appeared to be fake / impersonators he still insisted it was a true story.
He was also the author of the play-group story where Archie was strangely attracted to other children with red hair! LOL!
There's that amazing fauxchie again!
I've always liked him BUT he does work for the Express which has been Markle's mouth piece and dumping ground for PR stories like QEII baking Markle a birthday cake, as well as anti kate stories.
I know that the Wessexes and the Princess Royal are huge contributors and do a lot, but maybe this is the time to strip HRH from anyone not in the direct line. Yes, it’s punishing them for a few rotten apples (I’m including Andrew in that descriptor), but if they do it to everyone it can be a blanket to cover from the racism cries and such. They can say, ‘Harry and Meghan really made us look long term and here’s how we’ll *modernize*.’
>>> Noticed the DM has a big story with pics about Bill Clinton. There's a picture of him with his arm around some very young looking blonde. Now what's going to come out?<<<
At this point, there is probably nothing new that hasn't been reported on with Bill over all these years, unfaithfulness, women, unfaithfulness, women, unfaithfulness, women, women,and more women Oh and of course, he likes them young (a la Monica Lewinsky).
I don't think this will be the end though - many things could happen yet....
- Revealing Markle dirt in tabloids
- UK people demanding a different "package" for the Harkles
Re: retiring everybody except direct heirs--- I'm confused. Just how would that help? The only true "money-saving" aspect I can see is in security. It's not as though whoever the POW is won't keep Duchy of Cornwall money. And whoever the monarch is won't keep money from the Duchy of Lancaster. I guess travel costs would be less because if that was done, right now no one but TQ, C&C, and W&K would have any official travel. But gosh, not many events would be done, would they? Maybe the Sovereign Grant would be less? But isn't it supposed to cover building maintenance? That's been neglected.
I'll wait to hear the final verdict but if the Harkles get away with all they have asked for, then I'm ready to hear what is suggested for the regular folks to do about it.
Unknown/Trudy
PS - comments 3:47 / 3:42 / 2:42 are also mine - forgot to sign - sorry
This sounds like Ed and Sophie. They are the most logical choices. They live quietly, are well thought of by the queen, and are experienced parents. They are stable and would keep schtum if they had him. Anne’s children are busy with their own very young kids And do not have RPO protection. Also given That the princess royal doesn’t have any use for Meg, Sophie was probably the most willing. I hope their loyalty and discretion will be rewarded with a bigger role as time goes on. I know Chas wants to slim down the monarchy, But with all the Yorks out and now Harry, And he and and both in their 70s, he’s going to need help covering the patronages. If Edward ascends to the Duke of Edinburgh title as is projected, he needs to be a bigger power player in his brother’s court going forward. But it does not seem to be a prevailing practice to reward uncomplaining loyalty to the Crown If current events are anything to go by. If this is true though, I feel I can rest easier about Archie.
https://narcsite.com/2020/01/10/a-very-royal-narcissist-part-8/
What's your take on the overall negotiation techniques thus far? I know you said the first to make demands is not in the better position. Do you think the fact that it seems to be going the Harkles way regardless hint at possible blackmail?
I also left you a message on yesterday's post...
Unknown/Trudy
And xxxxx, I like your post. Let them twist in the wind a little.
This is all so incredibly selfish, ESPECIALLY considering how her fans are always saying "But she's worth 5 million! She has her own money!" Seems like enough to be financially independent.
Perhaps she has her own money, but she and Archie are still staying at the McMansion? Does MM ever stay at a property she owns outright? From reports she appears to always be crashing at someone else's house.
I was just going through my Facebook and a link for a metal version of 'Toss a Coin to Your Witcher' came my feed, so I clicked on it. I listened to the song (guy's got great pipes on him), and I'm scrolling through my recommended videos and I come across THIS link...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZFULyAT7pQ
I almost died laughing and I haven't even watched the video yet. Just click on the link.
HARRY AND MEGHAN
Harry and Meghan: Royal row turns political over risk to public purse
Oliver Wright, Policy Editor
January 11 2020, 12:01am,
The Times
Sir Mark Sedwill, the cabinet secretary, will be asked to approve any proposal involving public funds by the palace on behalf of the government
The cabinet secretary has been dragged into the row over Prince Harry’s future role in the monarchy.
The Times understands that Sir Mark Sedwill has been consulted by Buckingham Palace on the implications to the state of the couple’s desire to “step back” from royal duties and spend more time abroad.
Ultimately Sir Mark and the prime minister will be asked to approve any proposal involving public funds put forward by the palace on behalf of the government. This will include any cost to the taxpayer of additional security required to protect the couple if they go ahead with their plan to spend more time in Canada.
Any costs incurred for the couple’s security while they are in Canada will also be given the go ahead by Sir Mark.
While Prince Harry, who served in the army in Afghanistan, remains a high-profile potential terrorist target, such costs could be hard to justify if he steps back from royal duties.
Senior government sources insisted that neither Boris Johnson nor Priti Patel, the home secretary, would be involved directly in the decision, saying that personal protection costs “have never been a matter for ministers”, some of whom also receive protection.
Another source said that their reluctance to get involved was also political. “It is never a good idea to mix politics with royalty,” they said.
Sir Mark, however, has a critical role as a member of the “golden triangle” of the British state. As cabinet secretary he is responsible for liaising with Edward Young, the Queen’s private secretary, on all matters affecting the palace and the government. The prime minister is kept informed through his principal private secretary.
Whitehall sources said that teams from the Home Office and Foreign Office were examining the implications of Prince Harry’s desire to spend more time away from royal duties.
Royal protection is paid for by the government — and ultimately the taxpayer — and is decided on a security risk basis by a committee formed of senior officials, police and government security experts. No ministers sit on the committee.
A Whitehall source said that this group would have to advise Sir Mark on what level of protection the couple may need and the likely cost. In addition the Foreign Office will consult with the Canadian authorities. It would be highly unusual for UK police to be allowed to provide long-term armed protection in a foreign country.
Many countries require visiting dignitaries to rely on local police protection — if they get any at all.
However, a cabinet minister suggested that Downing Street would be concerned that any new arrangement could be politically justified.
“If Harry and Meghan don’t want to be part of this then that’s fine,” they told Newsnight. “But there is a contract between the British people and the royal family so there will be consequences.”
Whitehall has always tried to be discreet when intervening in royal affairs. Three years ago the Cabinet Office withheld from publication files relating to the marriages of Prince Charles and the Duke of York — a quarter of a century after the events took place.
In 2013 it emerged that phone calls from Buckingham Palace and King Edward VIII’s Windsor residence were monitored by the Home Office while the monarch decided whether to abdicate for Wallis Simpson.
WT actual F is this?
Search #SussexSquad for more alternate reality. Ugh.
Thank you for posting.
https://www.change.org/p/uk-parliament-stop-uk-funding-for-meghan-markle-prince-harry-s-lifestyle
You cannot be a prince of the U.K., and receive taxpayer money from the people of the U.K., and not live there, nor do any work there. Not in 2020, anyway
Fascinating,KitKat!
I agree with other Nutties. If the BRF cave in to that manifesto I'm done. I'll remain sorry for William as he seems to be the only one who truly appreciates how the public feel about this.
I have to admit, seeing the articles tonite those 2 were getting basically everything they demanded, ruined my evening. Sheesh. Guess crime does pay.
What do other posters think of this article?
No celebrity couple better embodies the zeitgeist and the royal family would be foolish to underestimate their appeal
The Christmas photograph of the Queen with future kings Charles, William and George is said to have prompted Harry and Meghan to cut loose. A streamlined dynasty where neither they nor baby Archie had a place. But the picture revealed too a backlog, a wearying queue to the throne. Harry may never rule but he is not waiting for destiny by death.
All those pinky-ringed courtiers and princely biographers saying Harry will regret it, he’ll struggle outside the family, that you can’t be a half-way royal, haven’t a clue. They’re drunk on deference or just plain old. Because, like it or not, Harry and Meghan will be bigger than the Queen.
Anyone who doubts that misunderstands how modern celebrity and royalty are so well-suited. Mega-fame no longer requires talent. No more Prince Edward making ho-hum royal TV specials, the Duke of York pretending to master high finance or Princess Michael flogging the world’s worst novel. Mediocrity is no impediment now: if you are the right person, you just have to “be”.
And who is better at “being” than royalty? It’s all they’ve ever done, manifesting themselves in hats, smiling, deigning to speak and by their very presence bestowing magic upon our quotidian lives. Harry and Meghan will just “be” on a different scale from dog shows in Dorking. They will “be” on Oprah, at Hollywood fundraisers, at the United Nations, Davos, Ted talks, on stages beside world leaders. They will “be” across global markets on multiple platforms, watched by billions.
While protocol-pedants debate whether to remove Harry’s HRH — like you can cancel a blood prince, as if taking her title tarnished Diana’s allure — Sussex Royal is launched. Every endorsement, book deal, fashion line, personal appearance, every darn Instagram post of Archie in a bobbly hat is ker-ching! They don’t have to write the memoirs or design the frocks. When Meghan guest-edited Vogue it sold out. Their whole lives can be one long, lucrative guest-editing slot.
Part 1
BTW I'm moving from England to Scotland next month. Will be interesting to find out what Scots think of all this. I only hope I won't be driven back over the border for asking!
Harry and Meghan will outgrow the Queen
janice turner
Harry said of his mother and wife that it pained him when “someone I love is commoditised to the point that they are no longer treated . . . as a real person”. For all their horror at tabloid intrusion, they do not seek to be private citizens. Rather, as they license Sussex Royal “wellness training” and hoodies, their rule is “no commoditising without monetising”. They seek more press coverage not less: bigger, louder lives not smaller, quieter ones.
Financial independence sets them free: from press scrutiny, a pretence of taxpayer accountability, family bother. They should forsake immediately the Duchy of Cornwall money (arguably a state asset anyway), stump up for some hunky private security detail, pay the Queen a fair rent for Frogmore Cottage. Not that they’ll need that gussied-up old staff quarters soon, given what they could earn in a day from a “brand partnership” or a few inspirational talks in LA. They will be billionaires before the 2030s. (Even Fergie hit pay dirt in the US.)
No celebrity couple on earth better embodies the zeitgeist of our age. Harry provides history and heritage, his royal status mitigated by his mental health, that get-out-privilege-free card for every rich person. (Which even Prince Andrew slyly tried to play on Newsnight.) Meanwhile Meghan is Hollywood glamour, plus the fair maiden who rescued a prince. Shock feminist twist! Yet her messy extended family and mixed-race parentage make her the new everywoman. Whether press coverage of her was racist or not, for many people of colour Meghan represents their sense that however high they climb, whatever their superficial welcome into the white establishment, their face never truly fits.
Many have scoffed that Meghan “just wants to be Diana”. But she already is. Harry’s greatest revenge (and maybe catharsis) is to marry a woman who demonstrates his mother’s triumphant trajectory if she’d lived. Wellness, mindfulness, cutting-edge causes: the Princess of Wales was there first. Yet cautious about her powerful ex-in-laws and their control over her still young sons, she could never truly break free.
Harry has no such constraints and it is the royal family who should fear his power. They could cut him off or take a piece of it. Do they want to quell republican Commonwealth rumblings, to win fans in vast new markets like India and China? Does the government not look at Britain’s friendless international state, think of all that soft Sussex power and call the palace? It might gall the Cambridges as perma-tanned Sussexes rock up for a Sandringham Christmas not in some press-approved Easyjet flight but their own Lear Jet.
But the British public will have swapped our national soap for a Netflix mini-series. We tolerate minor royals only because they amuse us, and what is more entertaining: a plaque unveiling on a wet Wednesday in Wolves or Megxit?
Is this sarcasm?
I can't believe everyone saying "it's over, she's won!"
Funny, I don't hear any fat ladies singing.
You all really believe that people in the U.K. who are on austerity are just going to be OK with this?
This might take days, weeks, years more to play out fully.
@Longview, re this: I honestly believe she is that delusional, and the media coverage is feeding her ego and strengthening her hand
I agree that Rach is delusional and that this coverage is feeding her ego, but I disagree that it is strengthening her hand. Rach is her own worst enemy. The attention will dazzle her, she'll behave rashly, brashly, and boorishly, her hubris will be her downfall, helped along by slow-acting poison.
@PaisleyGirl said...
as a longtime Prince fan of the purple variety, I would not wish to compare His Royal Badness with Her Royal Buttpads...
Prince was in a league of his own. One which the Sussexes could never aspire to.
I wondered if Paisley Park was your inspiration. I have a Prince once-removed connection, and I agree with you. Rach & H are the ultimate in Rickrolling.
@Liver bird
They are nearly 40 years old. What 'good' have they done for the past few decades?
...Meghan was a D list actress whose sideline was trying to flog tat on the internet.
Excellent!
There is petition on Change.org to stop funding and remove the titles of Harry and Meghan
https://www.change.org/p/uk-parliament-stop-uk-funding-for-meghan-markle-prince-harry-s-lifestyle
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Yes this is what I was hoping for!!! Yankee wally did it. She authored the last one as well. This one has over 11,000 signatures already. That's a lot compared to how the last ones fared. Does anyone know if Americans can sign?
I hope all British / commonwealth Nutties will do so!
Trudy
I have just skimmed the comments, and there's a lot of it's over/she won/how can the BRF do this? I think that's an excellent question, and the answer is, they can't, and they won't. They didn't survive this long to let this frayed skank bring them down.
So, here is what I have to say based on what we know officially at this point in time (and in no specific order):
1. The BRF saw Rach slut-strutting a mile away, and Harry didn't just wake up a fool, he was born one. I believe the BRF have gamed out the possible scenarios - none of this is sudden or unplanned or sincere. Their plans were always gone to be silent, subtle, shady, and cold.
2. If the BRF are avoiding racism and HM wants this to be cleanly done, the apparent quick capitulation should scare the bejeesus out of the grifter and her minion, but they are too stupid to see it.
3. Quick capitulation emboldens Rach & H and takes the issues out of the public light, and yes, the public is upset, but I believe this will fade when Rach and H are burned to the ground. And they will be.
4. Quick capitulation makes it look like the BRF really love H and Rach and just want their happiness, no matter what. AFI.
5. And Chas and Will going from incandescent rage to goodwill negotiations. That would set off all of my internal alarms. Thankfully, the Dumbartons are heavy on that first syllable.
6. I also think that this smiling to the faces of Rach & H, giving them what they want, is not unexpected. The BRF was never going to cut them off at the knees to bleed out in daylight. Nope, the attack was always going to be silent, undertaken mostly by others, and there will be no BRF fingerprints at the crime scene.(I do not mean a literal one, of course. Harry, remember that song you like, Looking for Knives? Listen to the lyrics.)
7. Hell will be unleashed, too. In the form of the truth from the British press. I expect this will be the lovely stuff. Unfortunately, I do now believe Archie is involved, and I think the hints are coming, starting now. I missed this, and am sharing ICYMI too:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7870389/William-told-Harry-heed-mothers-warning-RICHARD-KAY-GEOFFREY-LEVY-reveal-bond-soured.html
8. "They'll be fabulously rich!" is absurd, but that fiction actually benefits the BRF game. If H & Rach will be fabulously rich with millions and billions and will be the bestest ever, then no harm done when they only get grace & favor Frogmore and $2M a year (like that's going to keep Harry in polo ponies and Rach in wigs!). So, the pittance from the BRF won't matter because the Dumbartons will be fabulously rich.
9. Only, come on, the Dumbartons aren't going to be fabulously rich. They have nothing valuable to sell, and Rachel is vile. Now that she won't have the BRF to blame, she'll have to be responsible for her own choices and turn her venom on others. And when the Dumbartons fail miserably, and Rach leaves H, and H crawls home, whoopsy-daisy, and no real harm done.
10. And Rach doing voice-overs?! The only thing that could end her career more quickly is if she were seen as well. It's not just that she has no talent, it's that she has bad talent - she is really, really cringy and affected, and all of Hollywood knows it. She was a failure then, and will be again. And letting Rach go back into acting is the surest way to watch her fail quickly.
11. And speaking of Hollywood, Oprah issuing a statement that she did not advise Rach & H. Oprah, needing to distance herself from the Dumbartons, would that really happen if the Dumbartons were going to be really, really rich and fabulously successful. In a word, Hell No! (Yes, that's two words :)
12. If you disagree, then ask yourself this: if W&K were to release a statement that Oprah had advised them on Earthshot, which way would Oprah run? Towards the light, baby, towards the light.
13. And SS fired?
14. The only celebrity friends who've really cheered the Smirk & Jerk are ones I've either never heard of and/or ones I thought were dead.
15. In the short run, Rach & H will attract attention, maybe, and will be given some Hollywood love, maybe. But Rach was and always will be a cheap trick, and Harry will always be swaying unsteadily, 6th in line to the thrown.
16. And someday, not too far away, HMTQ will be gone, Chas will be King, and William will have the Duchy. Rach will be gone, all her nastiest stuff long revealed, but she'll find another desperate cheap trick. Harry will crawl back and stumble about. Archie, poor Archie, but I know that no matter how badly Rach & H pimp and ho (and they're both both), Archie will be cared for by the BRF. HMTQ made that clear in her speech, and I know Kate would never turn her back.
So, I know most of you won't agree with me, and I could be quite wrong. But I have said all along that the BRF would work from behind the scenes with brilliant moves along the way (Jen Meyer was a masterstroke), MI6 has dirt, the press has dirt, everyone is waiting for the signal to unleash the hounds, and it would all be done once Rach had burned herself down. And we're almost there.
I don't think this one is very well-written and it is out-dated info. It doesn't include all these current events. This is why I had hoped one of our fabulous writers from this blog who is also a British citizen would compose a new one. Trudy
>>>Hi CatEyes
What's your take on the overall negotiation techniques thus far? I know you said the first to make demands is not in the better position. Do you think the fact that it seems to be going the Harkles way regardless hint at possible blackmail?
I also left you a message on yesterday's post...
I just woke up briefy (had gone to bed early) so sorry I did not see yesterday'spoat (I will go and look for it tomorrow).
Well. it the news is correct then I am trulu stunned. The thing that makes this "negotiations' wonky is the emotional factor (the Queen being a 93 yo Granny and an indulgent Dad).so I would say all bets are off. My gut tells me if the Powers2B capitulated it was probably to save face that one of their own would leave the fold. IDK I guess the Queen is as weak as many say she is. Charles maybe just wants to settle so its on the Queen's watch and she gets the blame.
He can always rein them in when he becomes King (if the Monarchy survives which it probably will).
Blackmail. well, I wouldn't put it past those two ingrates. It has been alleged the concern by Charles is poor little Harry's mental health. I'm of a mind they may have played the 'C' card ('cray--cray', crazy card) which in many peo[ple's eyes probably more of a sympathetic ruse than Megs claiming racism. After all, what 25% of the population in their lifetime might have what is considered anxiety, depression, even one could construe ADHD etc...as a mental disability of sorts
I am very tired so I am not able to write much.
Thanks for thinking of me and I will look up your post and respond tomorrow. :-)
Funny, I don't hear any fat ladies singing.
You all really believe that people in the U.K. who are on austerity are just going to be OK with this?
This might take days, weeks, years more to play out fully.
Silent and deadly. The truth re Rach will all be unleashed. I expect it will be truly gory, and fingerprint-free.
Does anyone think it is interesting that not one, but TWO articles popped up on DM today regarding Prince Harry’s mental health? I don’t think this is a coincidence. One claims to have info from “palace insiders” and the other was written by Penny Junor. Neither would be pro-Megan for sure.
I have seen many comments suggesting substance use/abuse by Harry. Is it possible that he is medicated vs abusing? Valium maybe? Let’s face it, if he’s had Megsy whispering in his for three years about his “trauma” maybe he is using anti-anxiety meds. If he’s not getting therapy, that is a recipe for disaster.
I believe that he’s a wreck right now. I’m sure on some level he believes he loves his wife, but I also thing he feels guilty about the way he’s treating his family. Being torn up by that kind of guilt can have physical effects. It could explain the weight loss and poor grooming.
There are probably not too many people that believe he’s in a healthy relationship. It’s like she’s literally tearing him apart.
These articles seem to be at least be planting the seeds of “He’s doing this because he’s not in his right mind” as well as leaving the door open for him to come back at some point.
1. Rach isn't royalty. She's an HSN replica.
2. Rach is hated by millions of people. Once she no longer has the BRF to blame, she'll be loathed by billions.
3. I know I will never watch anything that she is in. I imagine others will feel the same way.
4. Maybe I'm wrong, but I fail to see how Rach & H will morph into something desirable.
I completely agree.
In fact, it has already started.
What do people think all these articles about "they could make *billions* " are all about? The aim is to get the people angry and worked up.
It seems to me (correct me if I'm wrong) that the British people are going to some painstaking lengths including possible financial woes in order to say they want to remain an autonomous country with their own identity, and not be just some subservient European state.
And yet the majority of posters here seem to think these very same people, the same nation that took on Hitler and Napoleon, are going to be fine with one of their princes decamping to a foreign country but using *their* money and *their* cultural identity to keep his arrogant yet trashy wife in a constant stream of Givenchy?
I think not.
@Elle, I hope you are right....
I do, too, @Jen. Common sense and intuition tell me that there is so much wrong with this quick capitulation. If the BRF were going to give in so quickly, why not just quietly do it and let H & Rach go pursue their global fame.
Honestly, the biggest mystery for me about this whole thing is that H does not see that he has been used, almost sucked dry, his purpose served. He's been a fool.
Your post makes me feel better, and yes the fat lady has not sung yet. I do worry though that they could succeed despite being basically worthless purely for who they are. If you have a chance please read the Times article I posted above: Harry and Meghan will outgrow the Queen
by janice turner
I too think this may all hinge on exposed scandals but I wonder would the RF instigate that or would the tabs have to go ahead on their own.
I guess we are jumping the gun and will have to wait a bit yet to find out all the answers, but I will be "incandescent" with rage myself if that con artist ends up on top of the world.
They need to be exposed somehow.
Trudy
The Royal Family know how to be brutal with their own blood, Prince Andrew. But allow a two bit actress to play them and walk all over them. Megs knows the real value (street value) (Hollywood value) of a UK Royal Title and is going to monetize Harry's and hers. The value of the titles called Duke and Duchess of Sussex are soaring while the values of Prince of Wales and Duke of Cambridge are headed downward.
Megs and Harry's titles go up in value as the Duo monetize them, at the expense of all other UK Royal titles. The Sussex titles are vampire titles. And emotional vampire titles. Charles and William don't have enough common sense and enough male drive to fight for the viability of their titles. The two are jokes and saps and sometimes you think it might have to do with royal inbreeding. They have never read about the Kardashians?
And we all thought Harry was the lazy and ambitionless one! It turns out he has tons of ambition via Megs.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/uncategorized/10714879/meghan-markle-two-year-itch/
I'm glad it made you feel better, and I'm sorry about yesterday's flub I made. I hope you saw my apology.
I did read that Times article, I just don't agree with it. I commented above along with an excerpt I took from it.
The best predictor of future behavior / success is past behavior / success. I just don't see H & Rach managing it. The fact that the Obamas are advising her disgusts me completely. Politics aside, they are two successful, educated people, and to be standing alongside the Dumbartons because "racism" minimizes everything about race and -isms. I have a big FU for all of them.
Harry was popular, he isn’t popular in his current state.
People would pay money to hangout with him five years ago. I don’t know that the same is true now.
Had Harry married Chelsy Davy and decided to live on a farm in Africa as a private citizen and at his own expense, he would have done so with the blessing of the world and his family.
It’s the merchandising of his position while taking public funds that’s distasteful.
Several times this week the topic of H&M’ has come up (I’m American). All three times, it was with people who had only seen the headline of Harry quits and said good for him. When I mentioned he and Meg want to take public funds, profit from his title and not be working royals, they immediately did a 180.
I think the Queen and Charles are playing a long game.
There’s no way charles and William will let petulant little brothers jeopardize their future thrones. They’ll deal as harshly with Harry as they did with Andrew, but with Harry, there are more reasons to keep their hands clean.
Yes, I think the press will destroy Meg and she will destroy herself. The gloves are off. Part of their website was a huge attack on the press. If there wasn’t a bullseye on her before, there is now.
I just hope W&K do, too.
I just signed up a couple of days ago for the UK Times website to get access to all their great articles they keep behind paywalls. There are a number of really good Valentine Low ones.
Should I past a few more here? Do people want to read them?
Trudy
Here's what it misses:
Meghan is unlikable. *No one* likes her, not even sometimes Harry. She is tolerated because of her access to Harry, and Harry for his access to William and Charles. Furthermore, she is unoriginal and insipid. Three years ago she was pretty; now she looks like a blow up sex doll.
Harry has issues, major issues regarding mental health or drugs or both. As has been stated here ad nauseum, he lacks intelligence and initiative. What does he provide access to, if he is alienated from William?
Harry used to be charming, but now he appears disheveled, dirty, hostile, angry, and bored. Half the time he stands around like his only reason for living is to hold Meghan's purse while she practically knocks world leaders over with her incautious arm flinging.
They are both aging rapidly and not well. The idea that they are glamourous is laughable.
Does The Times really think this is going to sell?
Meanwhile, over in England, we can look forward to William and Catherine's coronation and seeing their beautiful children grow.
In 20 years all anyone will care about is who George is going to marry. Harry and Meghan have a short time to make a cash grab, and they know it. Money and greed are driving this because you better believe they don't want to keep asking William for money. The way that must hurt their egos!
I believe that they want something else - a separate court which they imagine would rival and overshadow William's in due time. I don't think it's just about the quick buck for them, but power and prestige.
Their insecurities make them thirsty to prove themselves. This huge gamble on their part is the last resort of fevered, paranoid, spoilt children. But it's treason in every sense and should be dealt as such. I don't think that resolving it in 72 hrs as reported would be smart. The BRF should stall and try to keep Harry in England as long as possible until Meghan starts to panic and implodes. I think they're both already desperate and her breakdown will be epic. The BRF won't have any obligations towards her then and may lawfully pursue her with clean hands. If Harry still chooses to go down with her, by all means let him. I still hope he's not that thick.
... for paunchy middle-aged men with slight vision problems
Good point, as well as about the treason, and the influencer BS.
Torontopaper posted this earlier this evening. Does anybody have a guess as to who Mayhem called “Syphilis”?
That’s not a name someone with her past should be tossing at others.
The post:
Darling, first you were fired by your PR company. Lost helpers again! And now the most powerful man you called so nicely "Syphilis" hitting you! Karma bites you in the bum!
Your thoughts all mirror my original ones when contemplating how they may fare out on their own. Yes, MM is a nasty piece of work and Harry unfortunately is not too bright. I still lean toward them flaming out due to Harry's issues. I certainly don't wish them ill will and although I am angry with him I still care about Harry. I must admit though that I really need MM to be exposed and not be able to profit off this scam she has perpetuated.
What caught my eye in that Times article was the reminder that despite his flaws, Harry is still HARRY - a piece of history a member of a 1000 year old reign. Somehow, with their PR assisting them, I can see the Harkles getting gigs that might not take a huge amount of intelligence but still enable them to earn a decent amount of money.
I need to finish reading some more new articles and see if I can find anything on the "MM was kicked out of the firm/divorce on the way" theory.
trudy
From Trudy
And according to this, they'd be asking for 95% of their income from Wills soon enough.
Funding from Duchy of Cornwall 95%
Funding from Sovereign Grant 5%
Funding for security by The Metropolitan Police Paid for by taxes
Funding for royal tours Sovereign Grant and contributions from host country
So, if giving up the 5% of the Sovereign Grant is their show of 'financial independence', but they're going to be the richest and most fabulous couple in the world, then why do they need to depend on Chas/Wills for 95%? And Wills going for that, oh lolololhellno.
"The BRF should stall and try to keep Harry in England as long as possible until Meghan starts to panic and implodes. I think they're both already desperate and her breakdown will be epic. The BRF won't have any obligations towards her then and may lawfully pursue her with clean hands."
Good idea! Why can't they take more time? Is there some fixed deadline for some reason - one I don't remember reading about?
The other problem she has (which her and her followers see as a strength) is that she ghosts people - uses them, often damaging them in the process, drops them completely and then walks away, flicking her hair back and laughing. The best those people can do for themselves is to make sure they never cross paths with her again, but they have friends and family. Trevor and Corey escaped and moved on to happiness, so they have left her behind them and will not talk, but they have friends and family who may. There are a lot of people who have stories to tell about Meghan, and she keeps adding more to the list. She will never be free of skeletons clanking behind her and ghosts of the past threatening to haunt her.
Legally she sometimes crosses the line (lied about belonging to a union, which was actually fraud, and then laughed about it; got into trouble with the IRS, arrogantly thought she could take them on in court and win, but lost ...). She may surround herself with advisers, but she won't listen to them.
Having lots of money and things does not make you a good person, and despite the millions of followers she may have, there are millions more who will see her for what she is.
People here have given names of very influential people who support Meghan. In the shallow narcissistic world they may be revered but it is not people with the most money and IG followers who will change the world and make a real difference. If survival for humans on this planet depend on people like George Clooney and Meghan Markle, we are all doomed. It will be people like those competing for the Earthshot prize that will save us (money is not that difficult to get; genius and the kind of creativity that will change the evolution of humanity is not what Meghan Markle can offer, and you also won't find it at the Oscars or a Givenchy fashion show). What Clooney and Markle can provide is entertainment and that is actually the only value they have (entertainment is and always has been important for humanity) - don't be taken in by 'shine a light', 'fundraising', 'global campaigns', and so on ... they believe they are important for reasons such as those, but they are not ... they are entertainment.
William is THE son of Diana and Charles. There are no jokes about his paternity. He suffered far worse than Harry with the loss of their mother. Harry admitted on tv that he does not remember Diana, except for a few vague memories. William was her “rock” and the shoulder she cried on. William suffered far much more than his little brother, trying to be the diplomat between his parents, both of whom he loved. William looked out for his brother, and was always there for Harry, after their mother was killed by a drunken employee of her latest boyfriend, and took care of Harry whilst William’s father Charles was too busy with seven day a week duties, and literally gave his sons carte Blanche to do what would make two teenage boys happy.
I am the third child in a four. How damn difficult is it for any kid to make a living? How in the world does a balding, sour looking, man claim he needs to be have more money from taxpayers when he is a deca millionaire, without earning one pence of his fortune.
Harry uses Diana to excuse his Nazi uniform, racist comments made over and over again, and every fault that he has inflicted upon his family. The Royal Family is not “normal” but what family is “normal’? To me, an American, the royals represent the greatness of Great Britain, United Kingdom Nd the Commonwealth. It is tradition. There are flaws, but are easily taken care of by slings and arrows.
Harry and Meghan are two peas in a pod.
CUT the snakes off now. William, show that you are a King to be. Take away the Sussex titles. Cut off all money and security, as your father did to your cousins, the blood princesses. Beatrice and Eugenie. Both of them have jobs, as does Zara and Oeter. Harry is nothing more than they are now.
William, do it now.
@Happy Days, supposedly Megs called President Trump "Syphillis." Yes, she'll be a smashing success as an ambassador, LOl.
@Magatha, not to put this ambition past them, how could they be head of The Commonwealth? How would they get the laws to change? Do they realize that the throne is not a popularity contest? You don't win by having the most Instagram followers. Isn't this treasonous?
I was joking - but I thought I remembered her calling him that in the past. And the clue - most powerful man.
Trudy
I have noticed that Megs has a serious thing for Catherine though. On her manifesto, Megs states that they will not work with her as part of her demands. Why does she hate her in particular so much?
Perhaps all that we have bandied about is true - a surrogate pregnancy, a child who may not be biologically related to Harry.
One might think that revealing this would ruin MM who spent 10 months cradling a pillow on the world stage.
But is it possible that the Harkles could turn around and use these facts (if they were true) as blackmail against the RF? Perhaps implying that the Queen and Charles went along with the fake pregnancy. If there is no room for plausible deniability for the family, the RF may bend to the Harkles to keep the Archie story secret and prevent the entire firm being accused of perpetrating fraud on the public. Perhaps to also protect Archie.
Of course they would be much better off throwing the blame all on her and use mental illness as the reason. If Archie exists they could help Harry raise him on his own.
I hope the RF is spending this time trying to talk Harry out of this whole affair.
trudy
Firstly I asked my hubby yesterday on a little road trip to Somerset (beautiful county I might add) what he thought as Jeremy Vine was on Radio 2 talking about them and he’s totally not interested in royalty. He said if they don’t want to be royals, but take money from the taxpayer, then all tax paying Brits should petition for Duchy of Cornwall funding, as we too are non royal, so we’re actually in the same position. Plus we live in the U.K., which is an added bonus and aren’t wanting to split out time elsewhere. He was so serious I think he’d actually write to our MP if they are given money, plus I think he will want to know more about the RF finances. He’s very political and I think it would trigger wanting scrutiny. So I think if that’s his thinking, unprovoked, then a lot of the U.K. public must think similar?
I also wondered whether if Harry was alone in the U.K. family members wouldn’t stage some sort of intervention? There isn’t clarification of where Harry is, but that would be an ideal time to corner him, suggest help and extricate him from his mess? Did Meghan flee because she saw this on the cards? Or is Harry way tougher than we think and can handle himself. We know his mother half heartedly threw herself down stairs when she was frustrated with things, so if Harry is similar perhaps they’d need to stop that.
Like others I don’t think the cache of Harry and Meghan on the celebrity circuit would last all that long and they’d burn out fast. Plus does Canada have a big polo scene? What of his love of outdoor pursuits too? He has always been the outdoor type, he loves Africa, so it’s hard to imagine how trips to Botswana would fit in. I think Meghan hates Africa. The divorce will happen.
Also, I think that the BRF do have plausible deniability. None of them had her bottoms up during the "pregnancy". There were no royal doctors, no hospital birth, etc. Unless someone in the BRF were stupid enough to write a "WE KNOW IT'S A PILLOW!!" email, I just don't see how they could prove the BRF knew, and Rach & H definitely would've known.
I do think that some of this has to do with Archie. The article I posted above asks very direct questions about Archie's birth, and I wondered if it was hinting of more to come. If Rach & H did dupe the whole world pretending, that would really ruin them, I think.
I feel the BRF will roll over to their demands. I am so disappointed.
This is some good news. More time for the rf to work on him and try to remove the claw.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1226957/prince-harry-meghan-marble-royal-news-latest
Trudy
Bravo.
At the first sign of Harry throwing a wobbly, I'd use use the good old MHA to get him detained, using a squad of RPOs if necessary. and at least assessed, then, it is to be hoped, into rehab.
I'd get the rest them arrested asap, Doria included, assuming they're not hanging out with Ghislaine in her bolt hole.
There was mention of MM just being a pawn in a much bigger game but not realising it. Globalists dedicated to the destruction of nation states for their own benefit?
God Save the Queen.
Sometimes I hope that the security services do read what we say and take note - there's something called `Citizen Science', are we `Citizen Intelligence'?
There’s a lot of coverage and speculation in the British press about The Sussex’s , but little on the telly news. I’m waiting till we hear something official from BP next week.
If the Sussex’s are appeased to, the fallout I’m sure will eclipse the furore and uproar after Diana’s death (the royals not acknowledging it or coming back to London) and when the public were told we’d be footing the bill for the restoration costs of Windsor castle (after the fire). The public reacted to both of these. We didn’t end up footing the bill for Windsor castle, and the royal family acknowledged in part the public’s anger, and came back to London.
The overall feeling in the UK at the moment isn’t good. The Monarchy could end up as toast if they get this wrong.
In hardback, it appeared in 2017 before MM made her entrance but `George Clooney and his woman' get a mention in the bit about charitable foundations. Mainly, it's about those who feel it their duty to lecture we lesser mortals about what we should and shouldn't do and think - sound familiar?
An earlier book, `50 People Who Buggered up Britain' is also worth reading. Both hit the nail on the head with a great deal of wry humour.
Whether Letts is busy writing now, or sitting groaning with his head in his hands, who can tell?
The Dems have no one to beat DT and they know it. The Globalists want our country just like they want Britain. With her being a POC and woke, I think she could get a lot of votes. I know it sounds farfetched. Some on the daily mail have voiced the same opinion.
Child? What child?
Keep praying.
God Save the Queen
One Sunday Morning last summer, insight struck.
I gasped to my husband, `Oh my God! You're going to tell me I'm going mad but that bloody woman is aiming to be President of the US!'
Another of my Funny Turns struck and I had to lie down for 10 minutes while my heart rate subsided. I felt awful.
So I Googled something like `Markle President' -
- and there it was on her long-term wish-list from way back when (teens?)
Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid
And it is not being financially independent if they still get 95% of their funds for the Duchy of Cornwall and living rent free at a house they did not purchase themselves.
Wild Boar, I am afraid, very afraid of what is coming next.
I enjoyed reading all your posts!
I also read a couple of articles and it seems the tabloids are more and more willing to call her what she is.
1. Meghan is now described as a narcissist ……… :
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7874687/Friends-Meghan-Markle-open-DAVID-JONES-Megxit.html
https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/10714879/meghan-markle-two-year-itch/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10715664/meghan-markles-friends-surprised-canada/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10715035/harry-meghan-secrecy-canadian-home/
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/meghan-markles-friends-says-duchess-21258089
2. Deal or no deal : the way they'll fund their lavish lifestyle :
She has already started to make some deal and I can see secret clause in each contract (a donation for a charity AND a very secret but generous "donation "for H&M's purse :
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7875243/Meghan-Markle-signs-voiceover-deal-Disney-return-donation-elephant-charity.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7873109/Meghan-Markle-started-negotiations-fashion-brands.html
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/style/1226720/meghan-markle-news-Givenchy-deals-canada-prince-harry
3. Meghan & Harry panorama interview :
Not surprisingly, Gayle King, Oprah's BFF will be their host for Pity Party II :
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10716210/meghan-markle-and-prince-harry-agree-to-tell-all-interview-in-us-with-cbs-host-and-pal-gayle-king/
I would be happy to know how much they're going to be paid to do this interview !
4. Harry's mental health is also more and more discussed :
"Prince Charles has rallied round his youngest son Prince Harry, who he fears has reached 'tipping point".
"Charles told him he would stand by him no matter what, but urged him to come up with a sensible plan that could be worked through in order to satisfy everyone."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7875051/Prince-Charles-fears-Harry-tipping-point-vows-help-him.html
"I'm worried about Prince Harry... I fear something is seriously amiss and he's on a trajectory of self-destruction", writes his biographer Penny Junor
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7874689/PENNY-JUNOR-fear-Prince-Harry-trajectory-self-destruction.html
'Could cost millions' - private security expert on protecting Prince Harry and Meghan
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As Britain's Prince Harry and his wife Meghan prepare to live a more private lifestyle, security experts give a peak inside the world of protecting high profile figures.
The couple, formally known as the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, stunned Queen Elizabeth and the rest of the royal family this week by saying they plan to spend much of their time in North America....'
Do they know something we don't?
Today's UK Mail/UK version shows 7 unfavorable articles right at the top of their page. Megs pissed off the press when she made her Sussex website grande announcement, how H$M will be unfairly dealing with the press going forward.
Since Charles and William will not stick up for the integrity and future of the (their) Monarchy, then the UK press will! And supply them with some backbone as they deal with this horrible woman who is holed up 5000 miles away. Think about it! Megs is spooking the RF Seniors from 5000 miles away. Are Charles and William as hypnotized as Hapless Harry? Are they as hapless? They have to pressure the Queen to strip the Sussex titles. This is legit because the Queen will be gone in two years or so.
4,706 mi
Distance from London to Vancouver
Ideed the `red button' service reports that Press Agency says talks are `progressing well'.
The frequent reference to the offenders as `young' is extraordinary - both are knocking on somewhat and looking distinctly moth-eaten. I do hope Harry can be kept here, he looked a very Unhappy Harry at Canada House, face like a skelpit arse, to quote my other half.
In fact, I think the BBC is being distinctly sycophantic. Yes, that's what republicans always say but I never expected to hear myself saying it. The Breakfast Show this morning had a face off between Anna Pasternak, biographer of Wallis Simpson, and a black lawyer/ activist who clearly knew b-all about what is expected of a British royal. Chosen deliberately? It certainly added fuel to the fire - but what can one expect from our `woke' broadcaster?
https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1226525/Charlie-Stayt-interrupts-guests-row-argument-Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-BBC-News-video
I expect other reports are available - that's the first I found but it shows the level of the debate offered by the Markle side.
There was an impressive TV documentary a short while ago about Wallis, possibly presented by Pasternak but certainly based on her work, which presented what seemed a balanced view of the whole Edw.VIII business. No comparison.
God Save the Queen and her Heirs
Meggie didn’t understand that being a working royal was her best protection.
When you lose that « royal protection » (eg. Andrew) that’s over. All the dirty will come out.
MM for president? Oh ... man ... (remembering to breathe) I could see them trying to pull that one out.
The lawsuit against the press? Oh yeah. Where is that and what about her needing to come back for it?
Going to places where they have taken prior partners: familiar and perhaps trying to replay the scene differently this time? IDK. Reminds me of the lobster scene in Annie Hall.
Trudy Janice Turner article
Harry said of his mother and wife that it pained him when “someone I love is commoditised to the point that they are no longer treated . . . as a real person”. For all their horror at tabloid intrusion, they do not seek to be private citizens. Rather, as they license Sussex Royal “wellness training” and hoodies, their rule is “no commoditising without monetising”. They seek more press coverage not less: bigger, louder lives not smaller, quieter ones.
This is yet again, another example of how they talk out of one side of their mouth (example lecturing to us about the global crisis) but do the opposite for themselves.
Making millions and billions
It took me a while to figure out where I felt really similar uncomfortable tension in the back of my neck. MLM Multi Level Marketing. If you've never sat though these, the push is all about how you can make easy money just selling stuff (which is supposedly better) to all your friends and family. The real money is in having people below you because you get a slice of what they sell. And, there just aren't enough people to sell this stuff to or enough stuff for them to buy. How many SR hoodies do you need? Ball caps? T shirts when you have how many already? How much real profit can you make per item? And to do it, if you are a real humanitarian, you will not being doing this in a sweatshop overseas. Yeah, having a few big ticket items like yoga retreats is nice but this stuff is like her rings - small stuff which translates to you need to not only sell a lot of it (hello HSN) and you have to keep on selling in those massive numbers for years (to fund the current lifestyle and the retirement).
Suppressed legal story = I think I read that someone thought that suppressed was often something related to a minor person. possible here many comments ago
Setting up a separate court - Harry pitched that to his grandmother and was specifically shut down when he wanted to get their offices and more out from under the central control of the others. They just won't let go of that idea, will they?
Megs not wanting to work with Catherine per Manifesto
nothing specific that anyone has mentioned about any incident other than when M is supposed to have yelled at Charlotte or an aide.
I suspect it is a host of reasons. Catherine is everything M isn't, has everything she doesn't and will never be/have so I would say jealous plus the comparisons are not something M wants to read in print. When Will becomes King, Catherine will totally outrank her forever. And will always need to bow to C.
Camper - oh, wish your husband could print that on an op-ed page. Young royals? I think of that as William's kids age group. Maybe maybe Beatrice or her sister but not so much.
Hilkari, did my directions for html make sense?
Queen really does not get/understand what today's Hollywood style merching is. So let Hapless return to Vancouver with no firm promises from the RF. Let Megs go on her merching frenzy. Then 90 days from today Charles and William show Queen graphic evidence (printouts), how Megs is disgracing the Monarchy. They plead with Queen to cancel out the Sussex titles, and if she cannot, then step aside and let King Charles lower the boom on the two remotely based, Canadian based nut cases.
Remember, once the Gruesomes are safely ensconced 5000 miles away it will be lots easier to fire them. No more money and no more Sussex titles. Pooft! Gone!
Harry knows he will always be welcome back home.
The BBC is biased and so whatever angle it wants to deliver it does. I don’t watch it, I want unbiased reporting whenever and wherever I can get it.
I had a dream a couple of months ago, around September or October, I think (maybe around the time of the stupid documentary). In the dream, the queen sent William to drag Harry, by the ear, if necessary, to Sandringham, around Christmas time!
Is clearing off her way of putting him to the test again?
I was the one who mentioned `can't be revealed `for legal reasons'. Sometimes there a Court Injunction against revealing information but more often it was that a defendant or victim was a child and who couldn't therefore be named. I was thinking it might be something about Archie's parentage ie the truth.
Regarding MM and Charlotte - for a long time we just heard that something had happened at a fitting for a bridesmaid's dress and M had done something `to make Charlotte cry'. A story emerged later that M had slapped her, a little girl who'd only just turned 4.
Prince Harry is prepared to take his time as he attempts to negotiate a favourable exit deal from his front-line Royal duties, aides have revealed.
The Duke of Sussex is set for showdown talks with his father Prince Charles and grandmother the Queen after he and Meghan Markle dropped the bombshell that they would be stepping back from their high-profile public roles in the Royal Family.
Harry is in no rush to strike a deal, as he is determined to secure the best possible financial terms for his family as they 'move towards being financially independent'.
Translation:
Megs cannot get others to sign onto her Royal Sussex merching contracts and Royal Sussex Foundation(s) until Megs has firm assurances from BRF that the Royal Sussex titles will not be cancelled out. Plus Harry really really wants to keep that good ol' trusty (until now) Royale money spigot open. He never spends down his inheritances. Not even for Megs and her schemes.
Quite, unfortunately I'm of a generation brought up to trust the BBC but isn't it strange how it denies everything to the end when challenged.
I kick myself for not having a go at them a few years ago when one radio news programme (R4 PM?) bleeped someone when she said `sh*t' but, in almost the next item, when a chap, who'd won a court case against NatWest, said he went to court because he wasn't going to let them `j*w' him, they let it stand.
In my book that was far, far worse. I expect they would only have blamed a computerised bleeping system which was set to judge vocabulary but not context.
The public reaction to continuing their funding would be fearsome now. As a couple of posters have said, 'ordinary' people who never took an interest in the royals are becoming exercised about this. If the funding continues, they'll want a complete, transparent review of royal finances across the board. The mood is building up like the Windsor Castle fire and the week following Diana's death.
I do think it's quite possible H&M will get what they want, but if so the Queen and Prince Charles will have alienated William, possibly permanently and the Queen MUST take that very seriously. Who is more important?
Even if they do get what they want, they will still crash and burn financially speaking. In time. Those supposed hundreds of millions they can earn are a complete joke. Everyone I know despises Meghan (quite viscerally) or is indifferent. Neither group will want anything she will be peddling. While the sugars can't be taken too seriously. I doubt they have much spending power in the longer term and they'll probably flit on to someone else in time. Or grow up.
Did anyone see the article in the DM minutely detailing H&M's carbon footprint since Thanksgiving? H&M's idea that they will keep the money and escape the scrutiny couldn't be more wrong. That scrutiny will now only intensify, and millions of those 'ordinary' people will be cheering the tabloids on.