There's almost too much news to handle right now about the Duke and Duchess of Sussex's decision to remove themselves from Royal life.
Will they be able to take their titles with them as they live part time in the UK and part time in North America? Will they be able to take the Duchy of Cornwall's money with them?
And since Meg has departed for Canada and left Harry behind in the UK (and has been photograped not wearing her wedding rings) is the marriage finished?
And what about Archie?
Let's discuss in this second open post.
Will they be able to take their titles with them as they live part time in the UK and part time in North America? Will they be able to take the Duchy of Cornwall's money with them?
And since Meg has departed for Canada and left Harry behind in the UK (and has been photograped not wearing her wedding rings) is the marriage finished?
And what about Archie?
Let's discuss in this second open post.
Comments
I don't think they should. It would allow them to continue to reap all kinds of havoc which would impact the reputation of the BRF in a not good way. If they had behaved well, they make a good case for allowing them to continue to have/use them but your reward for behaving badly is not be allowed all kinds of privileges like titles.
I don't think the marriage is over, for now. I think Harry is still fully on board the Markle Express bound for nowhere.
I believe Harry is a willing participant in all of this, even if he is being manipulated by Meghan. I hope he figures things out at some point, but I don't think we're there today.
Opinion by Tatty. You don’t have to agree.
I still believe the BRF led her unwittingly to this moment, and I do believe it's a pump and dump, but the only thing we can count on every day in life is that I've been wrong before, and I'll be wrong again. I do not believe Wills was ever fooled by her, probably the rest of the BRF wasn't either. The Queen's face at the wedding and no jewelry, that speaks for itself. The train and Christmas were in the "see, we really, really tried" category, and I think that so much of what is in the press is going to be lies, lies, and damned lies.
Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak. (Rach & H are definitely not in the position of strength, but I'd sure let them think they had me this time)
If he is in superior strength, evade him. (Rach & H are not superior in strength, there is no need to evade.)
If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him (Damn straight, they did this.)
Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. (Nailed this, and can you get more arrogant than Rach & H and the last two days?)
If his forces are united, separate them. (I think this might come soon.)
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. (As I see it, the BRF have been setting this up for Rach & H to challenge them all along, while Rach & H have done nothing but bumble about.)
Great questions. Here's how I feel.
1. What is Harry thinking right now?
I think that Harry has convinced himself to go along with Meghan's apparent version of reality. That is, she (and he) are victims, the Harkles are really popular and in demand, it's time for the Harkles to go independent, etc. Does he really believe this stuff or is he going along with it for now? I don't know.
2. Is Harry still totally in love with Meghan?
I think, for both of them, that there is a transactional nature to their relationship. Maybe it didn't start that way (for him), but it's probably more clearly in that zone currently. This isn't new, many couples marry for reasons besides love. It is my belief that Harry feels that Meghan is the spouse who can get him where he wants to be, rich and out of Will's shadow and a hero (modernized the royal family, etc). At some level, Harry has to know how much damage his relationship with Meghan has caused to his family and to himself. But, I feel, he still is betting on things working out. At least for now.
3. Does he see who she is and what she has done and still loves her?
Harry apparently has a history of personal challenges and vulnerabilities. I believe I have read that Meghan played to those feelings (about Harry's mom, etc). I don't know if there is genuine love and emotional belief in where things have ended up now for the couple, or, as I suggested above, that Harry is just seeing things out now for cold, transactional reasons. I honestly am not sure. But I will say he is severely blinded, in my view, if he cannot yet see the truth of what his relationship with Meghan has brought. There are people like this, however, and Harry has seemed incredibly fragile in recent months.
4. Is Harry there as a knight in shining armor for Meghan against his powerful family?
Hadn't even thought of this angle. Great question. I'll say this...if I were Meghan and I wanted Harry to do what I wanted, this might be the exact kind of build up I might give to him about his role. Make his isolation from his family into some kind of noble, heroic deed rather than the tragedy is will probably end up becoming.
5. Is Harry too embarrassed to say he messed up by marrying Meghan?
For now, I think the answer is yes. Perhaps this 'independence' scheme will work out ok and the couple will get rich and be adored in Canada and the USA? My guess is, for now, Harry is going to try to ride things out. I hate to say this, but I've always felt that Harry was a bit...lost...or 'off' or however you want to put it. That is, I think there is a part of Harry that is similar to Meghan. Kind of the aloof, rogue schemer thing, mad at the world, whatever. On the other hand, if things go poorly with this venture then my guess is that Harry will conclude that it may be best to cut losses and come back to the firm. We will see.
The Sussex Royal website reads like a thinly veiled "demand letter" a terrorist or criminal might use in a tactic of negotiation. Of course, the Sussex Royal site is the brainchild of a pushy duchess who lacks manners, dignity, decorum and tradition but seems to possess a PhD in word salad and a MA in buzzwords.
One cannot unring a bell, either one is in the royal family or out of the royal family, one is either pregnant or not pregnant-- but it seems that the "Dynamic Duo of Wokeness" think that the *compromise* (described on their shiny new website) of no longer being senior royals but supporting the Queen and Commonwealth whilst living a glamorous life across multiple continents is the most logical solution. False.
So I hope that HMTQ sets them free. After all- per Meghan, "Existing is not living". With a heavy heart, I hope the Queen strips Harry and Meghan of their HRH status, removes Harry from the line of succession, draws up an annual rental agreement for Frogmore Cottage, denies funding for their private security and asks Charles to re-distribute Harry's portion of the Duchy of Cornwall.
I don't think the Queen will take away their titles-- but I hope her legal team makes the Sussexes sign an iron clad NDA not to discuss the private lives of members of the BRF and makes the Sussexes put a disclaimer at the end of every social media post, publicity event, charity gala, etc... something along the lines of "The Duke & Duchess of Sussex's support, opinions, ideas, comments, and affiliation is their own and does NOT represent the British Royal Family, or the Monarchy. Furthermore, the BRF is not responsible for any of the actions they may take or debts they incur."
It is beyond tacky what Harry and Meghan have done to the Queen, but Ma'am, please cut them loose. This type of disrespect shall not be tolerated.
January 9, 2020 at 11:36 PM
The Sussexes need to face this "brave new world" on their own with no trappings previously bestowed upon them by HMTQ and the British taxpayers.
THIS!
I love how MM has fled the UK and left Harry to deal with her mess (that she seems to create everywhere she goes) on his own. Only a coward doesn’t face people after causing such drama!
I think there is lot to the story about her fleeing which may or may not come out.
What will happen with “Archie’s” custody if he is in NA with MM? Is that one of the reasons she has fled?
I can’t see PW taking this lying down.
I think we will need a lot more popcorn because this is only the beginning.
Another point that sticks in my craw is that one aspect of their "charitable entity" will pivot towards empowering women. Which women? Because Meghan & Harry could give a Ted Talk on how to embarrass a woman... one in particular, HMTQ. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Happy to oblige! Yes we men can be hard to read at times.
I have always felt that Harry is a willing participant in Meghan's plans. I've never bought the "hapless victim" excuse for him. I do think Meghan is actively manipulating Harry, to be sure, but I believe that if Harry wanted to change things he could do so.
I think Harry is jealous of his older brother. Harry knows he will never be king, and he will always be in Will's shadow. So how do you fight that inevitability? You marry someone like Meghan, and try to come at things from a different angle.
To me, Harry is, at best, extremely conflicted. And, at worst, he's just another bitter schemer like his wife appears to be.
We all know people like this in our lives. The royals are human beings, like the rest of us. Some have more noble characters than others. Some want to serve, and some want to be served.
I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt and think that leaving Archie in Canada was because 2 transatlantic flights would make him cranky and off his schedule but I can't help but think that they left him intentionally as a way to get out of UK.
Meghan came back to the UK with the goal of getting an extended travel/tourist visa from Canada House for herself, Archie (and maybe Harry). That would explain her sweaty underarms--nervous about pulling this feat off without the BRF catching wind of her sneaky plot. Also, I bet Meghan packed up a good bit of her clothes (paid for by the Duchy of Cornwall) to take back with her to Canada. I bet her closet in Frogmore Cottage looks like the Whos in Whoville's empty house after the Grinch got through with cleaning it out!!
It is not like if she brought Archie back with them that the Queen would refuse to let them leave and hold them hostage in the UK. Did Meghan think she would have to be like Sally Fields in the Lifetime movie "Not Without My Daughter"?? All of this unnecessary drama and disrespect has opened a lot of people's eyes to her deliberate machinations to disrupt and disgrace the BRF.
@Dido, so true about the nerve of them, the gall. Harry knows better! Rachel is trash now and forever, but Harry knows better, and still. I look at their photos and wonder how anyone can miss the smirk on her face. All she wanted was to be a name known round the world, and she is now, but unfortunately for her, she is Meghan, that _______ ____ of a ________.
Also, for those who need a laugh: https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/celebrities-support-meghan-harry-a4330141.html
The "celebrities": Jameela Ja-Who-a?; Bette Midler (is she still alive); Roxanne Gay (the same level of "fame" as Rach was pre-H); and Toni Tone. So, here's the deal. If celebrities are ever going to stand up for me and applaud my actions on a world stage, I sure hope they'll be celebrities other people have actually heard of before.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7869529/Meghan-Harry-refuse-mystery-multi-millionaire-owns-Christmas-mansion.html
And a teaser: "Five neighbors, a former colleague of the realtor who last sold the mansion, and a friend of the former owner all told DailyMail.com the current owner is a Russian businessman. Some said he is a billionaire.
Meghan and Harry were introduced to the mystery owner by David Foster, a friend of the owner. Foster's wife Katherine McPhee was a school friend of the Duchess of Sussex.
DailyMail.com can disclose that the owner has masked his identity using methods that are about to be outlawed in British Columbia because of their exploitation by money-launderers and tax evaders.
And the multi-millionaire has also declined to identify himself voluntarily ahead of new legislation in the Canadian province which will make it compulsory for the owners of properties to be publicly named."
Also this article looks interesting: Royalists gather outside BP to support the Queen
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7869513/Royalists-gather-outside-Buckingham-Palace-support-Queen.html
I am going to give it some time before believing anything written in the press. There is a lot of posturing going on, the Pump & Dump s alive and well, and I think there's much more to come. Charles and William will act, but they will do so quietly, calmly, and behind the scenes. Most things aren't what they seem, and this is certainly one of those things.
@Dido, thank you! Normally, I wouldn't believe something as low rent, but since it is about Rach, it's certainly plausible.
If the RF don't remove their titles, prevent them from prostituting the RF connection, prevent them from exploiting their royal insider-status for financial gain and greed, then I sincerely believe the monarchy is finished.
There will be no respect, no magic, no mystery any more. It will be Kardashians on steroids. And the door will be opened for future royals to do the same.
This is evidence of an Monarch who is old and weak, an heir who is also weak and a ditherer, and a lack of strength and resolve in the institution to deal with direct threats.
The public is not the only interested party here, and there have to be consequences for the wider damage being caused to people's lives by this self-centred pair. Don't forget that the Sussex's employeess have now all lost their current jobs. Archie who is 7th in line to the throne will not be allowed to grow up in the country that could be be his future kingdom, nor learn from the family that is his heritage.
I have been a life-long dyed-in-the-wool and ardent Monarchist, but they have now well and truly lost me.
I think the Sussexes will take their titles with them — for now. These two, especially Mayhem, because she has always run this show, are incredibly reckless and have incredibly overinflated senses of entitlement. These two traits, combined with all the other traits and behaviors of this narcissist will be their undoing. If they further tarnish the REAL royal family, they could lose their titles. Meghan is likely to be highly emboldened after she has Harry totally isolated in Canada and her NPD (narcissistic personality disorder) is truly running wild. There’s no limit to what sort of trouble she can cause. She is a cancer.
I can see them getting into one or more than one of these problems and others not listed here that could anger the reigning monarch enough to demand they resign their titles.
1-Tax problems, possibly to the point of breaking US,UK, or Canadian tax laws or getting caught committing tax fraud, especially when it comes to the Sussex Royal foundation. I believe it will be a money-laundering scheme to fleece deep pocket donors, run the money through the Sussex-O-Matic washing machine and using it to fund an UBER luxurious lifestyle under the category of “expenses” while claiming to be humanitarians helping the poor, disadvantaged, Mother Earth, and homeless kittens and puppies with only a small percentage of the money going towards “good works,” which they will publicize to the four corners of this planet so we all know just how wonderful and good-hearted they are while floating the narrative that Mother Teresa was just a grifting bitch.
2-Their marriage will become an empty vessel and either one (more likely Meghan because narcissists are notorious cheaters) or both will cheat. If Meghan cheats on Harry, it might give him enough courage and public embarrassment that he will divorce her. If you think the Sussexes splitting from the RF is messy, multiply it a thousand times to get the picture of a Harry versus Meghan divorce which could drag the royal family through the mud.
3-Drugs. Probably cocaine for recreational use. Enty has had several posts strongly hinting they are both very fond of nose candy, which many women use to stay slim. According to enty, last fall’s US Open trip also included a delivery of high-quality powder fro the dealer to the stars. I can see deep addiction issues and possible overdose. I can also see Harry turning to drugs for his emotional problems that will be increased due to the emotional abuse narcs inflict on their spouses in private and accidentally overdosing with possible lethal results. Meghan would grab onto playing a bereaved professional widow for the rest of her life while screwing every wealthy man who comes her way. (Pun intended.) She’s never loved Harry, only the title he provides, so this would be perfect for her. She gets to keep the title, play victim and go on her merry way but she could lose her title due to awful behavior or the other items on this list.
4- Financial ruin, especially if they ask the RF to bail them out. Narcissists are notorious spenders. They are empty people, and one of the ways they attempt to fill the void and self-validate is through material acquisition of designer brands, private jets, extra houses, large staff, risky investments, expensive cars and all the crap that rock stars, athletes, lottery winners, and trailer trash actresses who marry dopey princes buy. Narcs only spend their own money when they absolutely have to. Meghan will lavishly spend Harry’s money from Diana if she can get her grubby hands on it. No matter how much she makes from merching and the foundation, she will never be able to get enough. Like the rock stars, athletes, and lottery winners, their moment in the sun will fade and the money will decrease or stop. They could also end up fighting about money.
Without their Sussex titles they cannot monetize their royal status. Or at least it is cut by 85%. On all of the above Sarah Latham has been the key early hire to get the ball rolling and was able to introduce H$M to important others in America. Marketers, publicists, etc.
In the current negotiations situation>
Charles controls their purse strings. He decides on this.
The Queen controls their titles. She decides to revoke, or not, their Duke-Duchess of Sussex titles.
From all the rumors published, The Queen looks like the easier cave-in to these bandits. Or as others have called them, terrorists, extortionists.
Prince Andrew had his great money making scheme/scam that was been shut down when The Queen and Charles acted decisively. The Queen and Charles have an opportunity to nip the Sussex money grabbing scam at the bud, but rumors say they are looking weak. Such a shame. William should be more assertive because he has more years ahead of him while Sussex Duo are sabotaging his future monarchy.
I am not sure if the Queen is weak or if the dithering is deliberate. MM likes to play the victim and right now it looks like she is getting beaten by her own game - only now the victim is the Queen. I believe everyone loves their Granny (regardless of your race) and all the stories about the Queen being "distraught", "devastated", "hurt" and "desperate" to "compromise" make MM look like a villain. How could she be so hurtful to a wonderful little 93 year old granny?
If you take a look at the papers around the world, as well as social media the tide is shifting... yesterday there was a lot of people screaming "good for Meghan! get away from those racists" and today people seem to be howling "that Meghan is a monster! how could she?". The (made up??) story about leaving her little baby son alone in a foreign country is also not doing her any favours.
@Elle
I agree, MM always seems to have an aura of sleaze about her so sordid stories about her always seem to be at least a little plausible.
Just reading in The Mirror that The Queen is fighting to save the Monarchy.
It says The Queen "ordered the Prince of Wales and Duke of Cambridge to find “immediate solutions” to the crisis as she fought for the survival of the monarchy at all costs."
The message is clear, the monarchy has been destabilised and weakened, and its future is now uncertain.
While most people understand the crisis that threatens the Monarchy is the destabilization caused by of the Heir's son leaving the institution; the notion that duty to the monarchy can just be abandoned like its a job at McDonalds; the threat to HM's authority when Harry defied her clear instructions; the loose cannon that is MM about to sell her royal connections on the world stage and cheapen the whole institution; and the risk MM will sell royal 'secrets' about her time in the family thereby bringing the institution into disrepute or exposing it to ridicule.
But can you imagine MM's reaction to this blanket reporting of the crisis in the monarchy? As a psycopath and narcissist, her reaction will be "The monarchy is in crisis because I am leaving, because the RF and The Queen know that without my star power, the monarchy will collapse. Without me, the monarchy is finished.".
I honestly believe she is that delusional, and the media coverage is feeding her ego and strengthening her hand.
I agree with what you have said. The thing I would add is it’s not enough to cut off the Sussexroyal head, because in its place they would grow something else. Surely the BRF must be thinking along the lines of can they prevent them setting up a foundation explicitly linking them to the BRF? If they take away the Sussex titles surely they’d register something else around being royal. So it won’t be enough to get them to sign NDAs, that just means they can’t talk about stuff. If I was the BRF I’d fund them, but tie them up in knots regarding setting up a foundation and merchandising anything linked to the BRF. If the negotiations don’t go well and they refuse to cooperate they can threaten to take away everything. The BRF have the best legal advice and unlimited resources to challenge them, although that wouldn’t sit well with the UK public having legal solutions, but being British I’d rather back HMTQ than that pair of nut jobs.
So, they need to make them standalone like they wish, but without the power of anything other than him being Prince Harry. A foundation called Prince Harry is fine, he’s getting older, why would anyone want him to speak. I think George Clooney, for instance, only wanted access through Harry to events at Buckingham Place where the real jewel is, Prince Charles, who will be King. Once he got that first invite, via Harry, he’s surplus to requirements. So Harry was a stepping stone to royalty, but he won’t be usable to get people into events at Buckingham Palace etc., if he’s living in North America. That’s why they want a foot in either country, to sell the Pay to Play model. Prince Charles and William are way to clever to let that happen, IMO.
There is no way the brains of BRF will be outmanoeuvred. As a member of the British public they know we hate wasted money and we may snap at anytime and call into question how much we need the monarchy and shouldn’t we investigate their funding.
@ Nutty : Thank you Nutty for the new post
@Vince : thank you for your analysis.
1. Is the marriage finished?
She left for Canada because her presence was no longer required in UK but I am pretty sure she gave a couple of orders to Harry and her red lines (titles, money...). She may also have regular IFV consultations.
IMO, Cringe & Ginge are still together.
Still together doesn't mean : still in love. They will stay together for a while.
Look at Beyoncé and Jay Z (cheating gossips) / Victoria & David Beckham (cheating gossips)/ Kim Kardashian & Kanye West (they don't live under the same roof)...
Everyone knows about their dirty laundry (they tried to keep it secret but it's not easy to hide everything) but all these couples are a brand. They need each other. Divorce is not an option for now (all of them including The Markles).
2. The big deal : Will they be able to take their titles with them as they live part time in the UK and part time in North America? Will they be able to take the Duchy of Cornwall's money with them?
They will have it all : titles + money + the royal duties/patronages they want to attend/organize (eg. Invictus) + Archie's education.
$$: it may not be a public funding or money from Prince Charles' Dutchy of Cornwall Estate but I'm 100% sure they'll set a secret deal concerning money.
There are also other matters which are not discussed in the newspapers : baby n°2's birthplace! She wants to give birth in the US and monetize it with Gayle, Ellen.... The Firm won't be able to prevent them from doing it. They are going to beg them for a birthplace at least in a commonwealth country.
HMQ gave orders. The crisis has to be solved quickly and with no more dramas so Cringe & Ginge will be happy at the end of the day. I tell you : money/titles/funny patronages/birth place.
We are all disappointed : the woman who has been seen for decades as the most powerful woman in the world is now a granny in charge of something she can't deal with it any more. That's too much for her. Brexit/politic : you can always deal with it.
When you're stabbed-in the back by members of your family, beloved child/grandchild : that is a different matter.
I don't think HMQ will make it through but I do think it will take time and commitment but the Crown will make it through.
3. What about poor little Archie?
He was left behind because they didn't want the Firm to threat to keep Archie in UK + they knew she would come back within the week.
Sunshine Sachs will justify this explaining he was sick (ear infection) /they didn't want him to suffer from jet lag (see the narrative about jet lag with was served to us on Tuesday) ...
4. Charles
Charles can be ruthless when it comes to his brother because Andrew did lots of mistakes but Andrew wants to be part of the Firm.
Charles may be devastated and furious but he has no control over his son. He is not in the position to play hard.
@Debra, while I agree that MM always seems to have an aura of sleaze about her so sordid stories about her always seem to be at least a little plausible, the Pump & Dump reference is actually referring to penny stock investment schemes and not the usual reference that would be used in reference to that vile, despicable ho-rror of a tramp that is Rach.
**** As Prince Harry walked down the aircraft towards the journalists covering his tour of Australia, he was in no mood to make friends.
“Thanks for coming, even though you weren’t invited,” the Duke of Sussex told the small group of journalists, who had noticed his obvious anger towards the media presence on his and new wife Meghan’s 16-day trip in autumn 2018.
Any engagement that I’m at with him he just scowls at us,” said one royal correspondent on the plane that day. “I can’t stress that clearly enough, he can’t hide his disdain. It’s just so uncomfortable, he has fury and venom in his eyes. He’s very tortured.” ******
@Unknown - you asked how to participate in the YouGov poll about H&M and their Duchy of Cornwall funding. I guess that bird has flown but looking at the YouGov site it says if you register with them you can take part in their surveys:
https://yougov.co.uk/join-community/
I have no experience or knowledge about YouGov so this info is just from Googling.
Interesting that the Sun apparently warned them about having a story that could spike their guns and that that's what precipitated this.
Also, it's very interesting that the story can't be published for `legal reasons'. In the British papers, this phrase is frequently used in reports of legal proceedings where a party is under the age of 18. Now who might that be?
God Save the Queen!
If ever there was a loose cannon it was Diana, and she had far more power to contend with than H&M. She was Princess of Wales, brilliant at pleasing the crowds, always dressed for the part, well-briefed for her events, more blue-blooded than the Windsors and with a far longer track record in the public's affections. Meghan started making mistakes and alienating the public from the engagement photos onwards.
The Queen did the right thing with Diana, when she acted decisively after Panorama. Instructed them to divorce and Diana was on her way out, as far as she could be while still needing to mother an heir and spare. The Queen would be doing the right thing now to cut H&M off as far as possible. If she doesn't, the accumulating public and media wrath will redirect from H&M to the BRF. Just like a hurricane changing course.
Your prime minister and his wife is in Meghan Markles circle of friends.
I am still of the mind that a divorce is in the making. The lack of a wedding ring, which MM always waved about in every picture, is significant to me.
Toronto papers turned out to be correct about a lot of things and their comment that MM lost her meal ticket because Archie turns out not to be Harry's may be true as well.
IF (and this is all speculation of course) divorce proceedings are under way, Harry would be extremely stupid to leave his son with the nanny or the Mulroneys in Canada while he is in the UK. That is, if Archie is his son. If Archie is not his son, he may not care.
Perhaps Harry DID listen to his grandmother when she asked him to please not make an announcement until a deal had been reached, and Meghan went nuclear and posted the announcement anyway.
I think previous posters are correct that Harry is being talked away from the edge by PW and PC at the moment. I hope so!
Completely agree, the Kent’s are also way down the line of succession that they don’t matter or count either, my guess is also, they aren’t raking in big money.
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On another note. The Swedish royals. I’ve read (please correct me if I’m wrong), the guidelines/rules are, if you marry a royal you are advised , you’re only bestowed a style and title if you chose to become a ‘working royal’ that is representing the Swedish royal family. Or if you want to continue with working (in your previous job,), you’ll receive no style, no title. Didn’t Princess Madeline’s husband decline a title because he wanted to carry on working as normal like before his marriage?
This system to me is very modern and sets very clear lines right from the start. I think the British monarchy should adopt such a modernised approach. So with Meghan and Harry if we had such rules, if they wanted to become independent, they’d have to renounce their style and titles.
https://twitter.com/superscuba83/status/1215387643955097600
It’s all very subjective (press included) at the moment, so I’ll keep sipping at my tea!
‘Meghan and Harry are likely to KEEP their HRH titles despite stepping down from royal duties 'because lessons have been learnt after Diana was stripped of hers'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7871357/Meghan-Harry-likely-HRH-titles-despite-stepping-royal-duties.html
But after marrying Dianas stalker we have been hearing a lot of Diana. She took a photo of Archies feet, and behind was "dianas favourite flowers", and she made a point of inviting Dianas sisters to the christening photo.She even dressed exactly like Diana a lot of times. She is disturbed. Its like she is blabbing about Diana a lot, reopening Harry wounds. She and her circle of friends are using him to get back at the royal family for how they treated Diana. It is not a good environment for Harry to be in. He should remember Diana wanted him to be in the royal family. They have always loved him and treated him well.
If this is true, who leaked it?
Headline: "It is absurd to blame the Harry and Meghan fiasco on 'British racism'" [then] "The cultural tension between the Sussexes and the public has nothing to do with colour"
"The Duke and Duchess of Sussex's extraordinary announcement – evening timed for the American audience – may have blindsided the Crown, but the liberal narrative setting in is utterly predictable. According to various commentators, and sympathisers on social media, the couple were partly driven away by British racism.
"It is true that Meghan has suffered racist remarks on internet platforms. And, no doubt, a very small minority of genuinely prejudiced Britons will dislike the Duchess simply because of the colour of her skin. But the suggestion that the public at large is instinctively hostile to the couple because a dingy, residual bigotry claws at the inner depths of the British zeitgest is absurd. So too the idea that the country's press is institutionally prejudiced, peppering their copy with double-entendres that Meghan is ‘unsuitable’ for the Royal Family, and doesn't 'fit in'. This theory has been reinforced by the Duke of Sussex’s claim that there have been 'racial undertones' to his wife’s press coverage.
"This is not only a fundamental misreading of the public’s frustration with Harry and Meghan’s conduct, but also an analysis that suffers from a short memory. When Meghan and Harry announced their engagement, both Middle England and the media fawned over the couple. Faithful monarchists toasted their wedding day in Jubilee-style street parties. The press hailed her as a “breath of fresh air”. But it wasn’t long before the whiff of rot started to seep from the Sussex’s tacit social contract with the country; the secrecy over Archie’s christening did not sit comfortably alongside revelations about the £2.4 million refurbishment of Frogmore cottage. Nor the career shift to heckling the public on climate change while zipping around on private jets.
"Britain’s frustration with the Sussexes thus centres around their naive hypocrisy and self-destructive determination to have their cake and eat it. It is categorically not about Meghan’s race."
Someone has a good nose for rats and suggests a plot that's been incubating for years. My gut tells me there may be something very big and nasty behind it all.
From https://ottawasun.com/opinion/columnists/gibbons-heres-a-princely-idea-lets-make-harry-our-next-governor-general
"Lest we forget, Canada only started hiring Canadian-born citizens for the job in 1952." (That's 68 f-ing years! Frankly, the US has been independent of British rule longer than Canada has and even here, 68 years is a long precedent!)
"She [Payette] still has a couple of years left in her five-year term in office, time that could be well used by Harry to brush up on his Canadian knowledge, learn French and apply for permanent residency, a first step toward eventual citizenship." (Right. That's simple enough. Harry's going to "learn French" and "brush up" on faces about Canada. Only if his tutor can cheat for him.)
They have shown that they are loose cannons and the political aspect of the royal family means that it is too dangerous for them to be seen as part of the RF and representing the RF.
When I say political aspect, I actually mean that the RF is not allowed to get involved in politics for very good reasons. Imagine if MM/PH made a statement about any political or social issue a member of the RF, and we all know 100% that they would do this.
That would antagonise certain sections of the public, and rightly so, as they would be using their unearned, unelected born privilege and position to comment on and influence the debate. It would end the RF and rightly so.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7871357/Meghan-Harry-likely-HRH-titles-despite-stepping-royal-duties.html
I've read a long way down and not seen a single one defending H&M. Everyone wants the Queen to strip them of titles and funding. The tone isn't hysterical or unreasonable. People are just calmly stating the obvious. Couldn't be clearer.
The American press failed to understand that the British tax payers are not upset about Harkle’s leaving. They are upset because Harkle still want them to finance their lavish lifestyle.
The whole mess is created by both Harry and Meghan. I actually blame Harry more. He is the one who brought the Trojan horse into the palace.
"How WILL Meghan Markle afford her million pound wardrobe? As the Sussexes plan to become 'financially independent,' FEMAIL reveals the Duchess has worn £947,132 worth of clothes since marrying Harry"
Let the tumbrils roll for our 21st century Marie Antoinette. Not literally of course. Two ex-HRHs in permanent exile is all I ask.
@SarcasticBimbo yes, I totally agree. I think the Queen is well aware that the RF & their very survival is on extremely shaky ground these days - not just due to the PA mess, but regarding H&M's colossal heap of merde - & it's become increasingly difficult to justify their enormous wealth & privilege. I don't believe H&M have any power for negotiation or their arrogant demands, & since the temper tantrum SM announcement of their intentions, they've shot themselves in the foot. People in the UK have had enough of these two idiots, they're a complete embarrassment to themselves & to us, are unfit to represent the Crown in any way, & personally I feel really ashamed that they are representing 'us' in any capacity. The Queen is, no doubt, aware of this & the feelings of the people are important if the Crown is to survive. Personally, I'm not a Royalist, I simply tolerate the RF if they get on with their jobs & do it well (ie. no scandals, no politics, etc) & I think this attitude to them is the prevalent one here in the UK. H&M have continually proved that they are not playing the RF game unless it is on their terms, which is unacceptable both to the Queen & the rest of the nation. What really galls most people about them is their level of greed, & it seems that however much they have, they always want more. Why they think they are worthy of it remains a mystery.
I would be very surprised if the Queen gave them anywhere near what they are demanding. She knows the feelings of the people, who live in the real world - a world where if you hate your job / life / family / country, you simply pack it in & move on to something & somewhere better. There's no discussion about taking hoards of money with you, continuing to be funded indefinitely by your ex-employer, & retaining your job title (because that's the only thing you liked about your job). You leave, hopefully with some level of dignity and in a professional manner. What you don't do is have a public temper tantrum on SM making all sorts of unrealistic &, quite frankly, ridiculous demands, especially when you've been astonishing crap in your job role. I seriously hope the Queen will give them nothing more at the expense of the long-suffering British taxpayer, although I suspect they will continue to be funded from her own private wealth. It was a mistake for sure to post demands online, the people of the UK are furious at the continued arrogance of these two deluded idiots - after all, if you want out of the RF, you're out, why would anyone continue to pay you? And perhaps more to the point, why would you think you are still entitled to be funded?
Titles? I think the Brits will fight tooth & nail to have their titles stripped from them. It doesn't need to be an undignified process, it can simply be that you are no longer working in this capacity so no longer have need of this title. Even H&M seem to have worked out that without their titles, they are nothing so undoubtedly will cling on & play all sorts of dirty games to get their own way.
It's a really horrible mess, as it was always going to be, there was never any prospect of happy endings here. From the moment M entered the RF it was always going to be an incredibly expensive journey for everyone to endure - even if she'd bothered to make an effort in her new role & country her spending would be legendary, & getting rid of her will be even more financially damaging. As for H himself, born into enormous wealth & privilege with every possible advantage in life laid at his feet & at huge expense to the people of the UK, can we have a refund please? H messed up big time with this one, what a truly gruesome pair they really are.
That being said, in all of the reading of the UK newspapers without pay walls, NEVER have I seen a print reporter be racist. And, forgive me, but members of the public have a right to express their opinions in the comment sections of these same dailies. No matter how egregious they may be.
Just my humble little opinion.
This situation with H and M is bizarre... and their decision rather short sighted.
By withdrawing from public life, Harry is telling his brother he’ll be on his own with no support when he becomes King. The Queen has always been very well supported by Philip, and her four children. The amount of public engagements there are to be carried out, every member of the monarch‘s family has to contribute to fulfil them all. When Charles takes the throne, he would still count on his siblings (minus Andrew until further notice), and his sons. While it is inevitable that Charles’ reign will not be as long as QEII’s, William is likely to be on the throne for a significant spell. William would have always known he would have his brother to count on for the support, but now the rug is being pulled from under his feet.
With this in mind, when Charles becomes King and William inherits the Duchy of Cornwall as Prince of Wales, even if Charles does not cut Harry’s allowance now from this private estate, surely William will.
See Harry, this IS a complicated process that needed time to work through with your family.
"It doesn’t take a royal kremlinologist to work out that you can’t step back from your duties and fully support the person in charge of doling out those duties, or retain the privileges of a constitutionally apolitical institution and promote causes that stray into politics. It’s rather like me suggesting to my editor that I intend to step back from my daily duties as a journalist, while insisting I remained fully supportive of his vision to publish stories and to pay me anyway. Perhaps I should try?"
And whether or not Archie is his, Her Royal Skankiness should never be allowed to have custody of him. The queen acknowledged him in her Christmas speech, he's a member of the royal family. End of discussion.
I may be wrong but I don't think Will would ever have been expected to support Harry from the Duchy of Cornwall. Charles doesn't use it to support his siblings. When Charles is king, Harry's support would come from the Duchy of Lancaster and had things not changed, the Sovereign Grant.
The couple said they still planned to “fully support Her Majesty The Queen,” but this sure was a strange way of showing it. You’d expect more consideration for Harry’s 93-year-old grandmother, whose 98-year-old husband had to be taken to the hospital last month and whose favorite son, Andrew, the duke of York, is in disgrace for cavorting with Jeffrey Epstein. [...]
[...] he [Harry] could at least have coordinated his announcement across a united family front instead of via this blindsiding broadside. Buckingham Palace’s public response took a couple of hours to cobble together, and the BBC’s royal correspondent described the palace as “disappointed,” which is royal-speak for “what the bloody hell?” It must have felt like being abruptly fired on Twitter by Donald Trump.
[...] As for that plan for financial independence — well, there’s a reason royals don’t and shouldn’t try to punch a clock. Even earning an honest buck may look like it involves flaunting royal influence. Remember the embarrassing episode involving the queen’s daughter-in-law Sophie. The countess of Wessex delivered intemperate remarks during a secretly tape-recorded meeting with a reporter who was posing as an Arab sheik who wanted to sign on with Sophie’s PR firm. It was one illustration of how “working royal” didn’t work out well.
Buckingham Palace is going with the stiffest of upper lips, managing to get out these words: “We understand their desire to take a different approach, but these are complicated issues that will take time to work through.”
Things move faster in this country, though, and we’ll know the outcome of this royal bust-up pretty quickly: if the next Disney princess is called “Frozen Out.”
Great analysis from about 9mins30 about how rude and pushy she is and how she has a face like thunder if PH does anything she doesn't like https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=18&v=nIC5znWxZt4&feature=emb_logo
This is going to run and run. I hope that the RF takes it's time and doesn't rush into anything. As you all know it's a common sales technique to put people under time pressure. If anything the Markles are the ones under time pressure despite how they are trying to pressure the RF.
Not that I'm complaining. It's yet another parallel with Wallis Simpson, who had to decamp to France in the middle of a 1930's media firestorm and resort to shouting down inadequate phone lines to a beleaguered Edward VIII.
This may be the 21st century, but phones and skyping are still not ideal. Even though it was Kate's birthday, I wish Princes Charles (Scotland) and William (KP) had gone to Sandringham. At least William is in London and on hand for discussions with government representatives. My hopes rest with him.
My problem with Rachel was and is her total unsuitability as UK and Crown representative. Her behavior had been absolutely nightmarish. She managed to crap all over African tour which was precursory to a pretty big UK-Africa investment program. She appears not to understand the difference between Wills and Harry's constitutional positions and doesn't accept her supporting role.
I will issue a huge sigh of relief when they move out and especially if she stops coming to UK altogether. I will cheer when somebody else steps into their UK charities. I will be glad not to see them on the balcony.
If Harry is masochistic and likes been used as a floor wipe fine by me. As long as he is whipped behind closed doors.
And she will bring "cute little Archie" and then everyone will think its ok.
And I wouldn't be surprised if they're in the middle of a divorce. I think Andrew and Fergie split way before the public found out?
Harry would come out smelling like a rose if they divorced. He could just blame it on substance abuse, etc. We see it all the time with celebrities who go to rehab for "exhaustion".
And yes, I think the Monarchy is DEFINITELY in trouble.
How awful that H & M would pull this, especially now. Who knows how sick Prince Philip really is?
I read a headline that Oprah was consulting with them on how to break from the family. I hope it was just click bait because, OH PLEASE! Spare me! Like Oprah knows anything about the BRF!
Meghan needs to go!
Also, I would pay big money to hear what Chef Corey is thinking about the whole thing. LOL.
"It doesn’t take a royal kremlinologist to work out that you can’t step back from your duties and fully support the person in charge of doling out those duties, or retain the privileges of a constitutionally apolitical institution and promote causes that stray into politics. It’s rather like me suggesting to my editor that I intend to step back from my daily duties as a journalist, while insisting I remained fully supportive of his vision to publish stories and to pay me anyway. Perhaps I should try?"
Wow! If The Atlantic allowed that on their website, then the tide is really turning. They are the wokiest of the woke. I cancelled my subscription of many years because I got tired of being harangued for not having enough melanin in my skin. That sentence encapsulates exactly what the Harkles are saying: 'Pay me for my wonderfulness.' That's what's delusional about them, they don't really bring much to the table for the royals except unprofessionalism, & they mistake that for 'modernizing.'
On the other thread we were discussing Megs leaving Archie in Canada. In that respect she's not so much modernizing as being on trend for a certain type of parent who views his or her child as an accessory & and an opportunity for enrichment & image enhancement. We know she's left him on other occasions, the US Open, Rome wedding, etc. are the ones we definitely know about, there may be many others. Archie is like a handbag she's merching in her view. That's what I find offensive.
On the other thread, I made an off hand comment about 'golden girls.' What I was thinking of was friends of mine who were top of their class at places like Harvard & Stanford business school, zoomed up to the top of corporate ladder, had a child or two, & were racked with guilt because they couldn't get off the treadmill to stay home with them because their families needed their big salaries to pay the mortgage on the big house & the lifestyle they had pre-baby. If you've devoted yourself to a fast track career, it's very hard to put the brakes on, & no one is going to save your place at the office. I always admired, envied & pitied my friends who were in this situation. Megs is not that person. If rumors are to be believed she's always been a slightly older version of an 'influencer' of sorts, & they can stay home in their bathrobes typing on their computers, just as I'm doing at the moment. I excuse my self because my age & health issues are putting me into the 'actuarial ranges' for you know what. LOL! To be fair Megs did do some work in tv & movies, but I think she's always imagined herself as some sort of Anna Wintour type who has underlings scurrying about bringing her cups of rare & expensive tea. Megs doesn't seem to realize that positions like that take actual hard work & talent, not just the ability to 'network' & throw cliches about!
It was reported first that they left Archie in Canada, then it was reported that Meghan had returned. As I see it, he was left (wherever he is), for the simple reason she nor Harry had any intention of staying in Britain, it was a fleeting visit to Blighty, to drop the bombshell and nothing more. For all we know they could be heading to California, it’s anyone’s guess.
It makes sense to remember we Brits first welcomed her and were happy for Harry. Then the sentiment changed dramatically and quickly.
The same will probably happen anywhere. Canada is welcoming her for now, but I doubt Canadians will enjoy her salad lectures and memememe banner.
As for Givenchy deal I can't see her 9 million fans buying that range. Judging by most of their lexicon they are still in kindergarten. Those who can afford Givenchy will run a mile from her tacky image.
Meghan Markle, ruining families, friendships, holidays and special occasions - you name it. She'll pull the pin out of the proverbial grenade, throw it in a crowd, and then leave the room. Gutless narcissist.
Put her in a room full of mirrors and call it a day.
‘Did Prince Harry and Meghan Markle jump before they were pushed? Couple's confidante Tom Bradby says Palace 'made clear' to them that 'there was going to be a slimmed down monarchy and they weren't really a part of it.’
I’m edging back to my very first thoughts nearly two years ago, the royal family gave the Sussex’s enough rope to hang themselves, and they were going to be pushed if they didn’t play the game.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7872195/Tom-Bradby-says-Palace-spoke-slimmed-monarchy-Meghan-Markle-Prince-Harry.html
And she will bring "cute little Archie" and then everyone will think its ok."
I don't think Meghan is EVER coming back to the UK. If she would attend events like Trooping, she would be booed by the public. She was already really nervous visiting Canada House and rightly so, in hindsight. No wonder she was sweating. And Meghan is done with Britain. She has taken Archie and ran. I predict she will never set foot on British soil again, other than perhaps for settlement negotiations.
What makes sense to me is that the BRF cuts off the $$$$ and removes the HRH from MM. Tougher to do with a blood prince I imagine and dhe isn't even a British citizen. They could play thr tough love game with Harry, hitting them hard and swift to appease the public but making it seem like they are getting what they wanted after all.
I am confused by Harry. We all know he's on the dim side but leaving the BRF? He's just not all that without them. I do believe the BRF will leave an escape hatch for him, an open door for when he returns to his senses, and embrace him fully when and if he returns.
The Archie piece? God only knows what's going there. I have always maintained that she wasn't pregnant. I also think there have been several baby/doll stand-ins. Who is this child, where is this child?
My dream scenario is MM banished with an iron-clad NDA, Harry turns out to be a double-agent, staying in the sham marriage just so the PTB can line up their ducks. And the BRF acknowledging the surrogacy, disclosing the lack of royal DNA but somehow committing to ensuring the poor child's long-term well-being.
Oligarchs like to keep a very low profile. Can you see it working? Could she maintain the required level of discretion/secrecy? What might happen?
As for her very first husband:
https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Meghan-Markle-annul-her-first-marriage-with-Joe-Giuliano-Why-not-just-divorce-him
This is the problem and I hope the aides negotiating on behalf of the Queen, Prince Charles and Prince William are aware of this.
'The American press failed to understand that the British tax payers are not upset about Harkle’s leaving. They are upset because Harkle still want them to finance their lavish lifestyle.'
I don't understand why the American press do not understand this, and I also do not understand why someone like Oprah thinks she has the knowledge or position to advise the Harkles on the matter.
The Meghan and Harry situation is not like the Diane one and I think the BRF are being led astray by emotion (and someone like Meghan, perhaps even Harry as well, are well aware of this). With Diane, it was a messy divorce from her husband (Meghan has learnt that lesson and is getting what she wants from the BRF before the divorce). With Meghan and Harry, it is wanting to use the titles for personal financial gain and to be completely unfettered in how they do that (and to not have to do those boring appearances, unless they can personally gain something from it). Surely the BRF know that if they allow them to do that the damage to the Crown will be huge? The Andrew debacle should have been a lesson to learn before this mess was dumped in their lap.
The British people should make their voices heard. Gather in huge numbers outside BP. They will listen to that. Write reasonable letters to the press explaining why the Sussexes must lose their titles and all funding.
Possibly some will salivate over Archie. But would you? Neither would I. Archie will be pitied not admired. Because her stupidity made it obvious she uses him as a bargaining chip.
A family like the royals (in which the eldest scoops the pool) should really do what families did for centuries, insist the younger sons have a career of some sort, like going into the church or the army. If younger royals want to have a normal career, they should be encouraged to do so, & not be allowed to lurch about like the loose cannon Harry has been allowed to be. That lack of direction is what put Harry & Andrew into the clutches of people like Epstein & Megs. We discussed that on another thread, leading to some fascinating stuff about Henry VIII, & a spirited discussion.
Spirited discussion is enjoyable, but it can get out of hand. I've deleted a comment on the other thread that may have hurt feelings, & I apologize to anyone who has been upset. To anyone who has suffered from depression or any other illness of that sort, don't be hard on others or yourself. Sometimes our bodies' chemistry just gets the better of us.
Trudy, I have always enjoyed your posts.
I have to confess I enjoy the off-topic ramblings, but I respect Nutty's desire to maintain a little discipline. LOL.
I agree with most of what you said apart from gathering outside the palace. This is not a good idea unless you want to be splashed with paint by one of Megamosnter's fans screaming "racist bitch" at you.
This is the Palace's mess and the Monarchy's future at stake. I will sit and watch and talk to sane people here instead.
I respectfully disagree and don’t see it that way at all. Look at the comments by posters in the UK on British newspapers, the majority want the titles removed. I don’t know of one Brit who has time for the Sussex pair. If the titles and perks remain the royal family will look like fools for appeasing they Sussex’s demands, and that risks turning public opinion against the entire royal family. You can’t fairly compare Andrew with the Sussex’s behaviour, it’s entirely different and on another level.
Your opinion matters as much as mine. Yes, I am a British taxpayer and pay for these rubbish humanitarians and you don't.
But she wants a "global" brand so unfortunately you are included into her ambitions too. So yes of yes your opinion counts.
I guarantee Archie will never return to Britain and sad as it is, he will end up damaged with a dreadful life ahead of him, because he will be brought up by two substance affected, mentally damaged parents who think only of themselves and are happy to use him as a merchandising and money making tool.
How did the RF let the child be removed from Britain, and was it on a British passport?
The RF is weak as p*ss and it is probably time for a republic.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7872607/Media-friend-Bryony-Gordon-fears-Prince-Harry-suffering-mental-trauma-mothers-death.html
Because these two hustlers (thank you for putting it your DM title, Piers) are trying to commercialize royalness, I agree with Dido, Longview, and others above. The titles must go. Making their way “independently,” as Meghan so pridefully writes in her demand declaration, can’t be had both ways. You all have already said it, and I agree.
I don’t see how it echoes the Diana issue, but I am seeing how the idiot public perception (I count us all, even with our differing opinions, as the thinking public) can be manipulated in this basic bitch’s (to quote Kate Moss - what does a Kate Moss or Sadie Frost think of someone like Meghan, anyway?) favor. I don’t know how the RF squares nonthinking public perception with what is right. How is Meghan polling, lol?
Elle, I hope you are correct! Totally see your point and the art of warring, and were Prince Philip more active, I’d 100% agree that is how they’ve operated. Maybe he is calling shots here but I haven’t seen the evidence yet. I think QE is tired and wants to smooth a short path for now. Do you believe Lord Geidt is involved? That would give me hope but I know Prince Charles resists him and with Charles involved, I am not sure.
Sorry for all the parenthetical thoughts. As Nutty says, there is an overwhelming amount of “news” to scrutinize and it all makes me wonder. I am with you, Swampwoman, in believing nothing these days.
- they jumped before being pushed : they forced to step down because it was made clear to them there was going to be a slimmed down m
- they think the rest of royal family are jealous of their superstar power/popularity
- it is not true to suggest the royal household was 'blindsided' by their decision
- they left Archie with her BFF (he wasn't left behind) and she came back to Canada because of Archie
- Meghan felt unwelcome in the BRF...
What a joke. Again, they have no shame!
Tom Bradby was part of pity party I, and now he's joining pity party II.
I guess they told him he could do some other documentaries (eg.their new life in North America?)
There's a tweet making rounds about how the DM treated Kate/Meghan differently for holding their bumps. Both were still photos.
Everybody in the comments claimed racism.
So I said, "perhaps if we saw a VIDEO version of their mannerisms we'd get an idea why this tabloid treated them differently?"
And then they started saying "NO videos needed, stills are enough." And people asking me, "are you stupid?"
How is questioning whether a video might clarify people's reactions to still photos "stupid"?
I thought it was a reasonable question to ask.
I've made my Twitter account private.
Gosh.
If this were the 7th C. China, or 16th C. Italy or France, someone like Megs would be scheming to off the entire royal family, so Archie can take the British throne. Some of her emotionally & intellectually challenged fans are already calling for this. Sick.
https://www.change.org/p/uk-parliament-stop-uk-funding-for-meghan-markle-prince-harry-s-lifestyle
Is the USA or Canada more favourable for her?
For how long does she have to live in each country, and where specifically in that country, before she can benefit from the divorce laws of that place?
As everyone is saying here, and rational folk in the UK:
1. Cut off all funding from the Sovereign Grant and the duchies. The Queen or Prince Charles can help them out from personal funds if they are prepared to have to continue doing so for Meghan after the divorce.
2. No more official engagements for the Crown. Unfortunately, the well-behaved York sisters do take on the occasional royal engagement for the Queen, and Meghan and Harry are trying to use that precedent. Meghan and Harry will not be well behaved. Perhaps a way round this is to establish a precedent for royal engagements by formal contract, i.e. a non-working royal will be contracted for a specific period to take on engagements part-time for the Crown. The York sisters will immediately get such contracts; the Sussexes never will.
3. Take away the titles, however you have to do so (via the Queen or Parliament). The people of Sussex (Dumbarton and whatever the other place is) will be delighted, and Archie supposedly is not going to use any of the titles so you are not depriving him of any birthright. She is going to use the titles for merching, and it WILL get tacky and controversial. Boris Johnson just wants this over so his government can get back to their real job, so the monarchy is going to have to save itself. This is not a Diane situation. Stop letting the Sussexes emotionally manipulate you.
4. Draw up a lease agreement for Frogmore Cottage. Andrew and Edward (children of the monarch) have them and it is outrageous that Meghan and Harry do not.
5. Lastly, do invite them to family gatherings such as at Sandringham and Balmoral.
Did anyone else see Question Time (UK, BBC1) last night? One of the people on the panel (Max Hastings) was questioning their potential future fundraising, saying that most of the people who want to give them money are the last people they should be accepting it from, and then actually said something about people lending them yachts - my first thought was: is this a veiled reference to what's been said about her past? I think it's about 10 mins in, if memory serves me right. I'm never sure how much access people outside of the UK have to certain programmes on the BBC, so I'll let people look it up themselves rather than posting the iPlayer link. After I've finished the housework I might try and type up the relevant bits later for those who can't access the programme, although it's been a while since I've had to do audio typing so bear with me.
For non-FT-working royals, each engagement on behalf of the Crown is by contract. I think that could be agreed to by all except Meghan, and it also could be used to eliminate confusion about last-minute appearances like the one at Canada House. Contracts can be customized per appearance and/or include boilerplate verbiage against Meghanesque behavior. National emergencies get immediate responses by senior/FT royals, who do not operate on contractual bases.
Just expanding on Sandie’s great idea. I am sure I have not considered the holes in my suggestions above, so critique away!
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After a night long discussion we decided the following statement: the baby is an innocent victim with no choice in what he has endured. We respect that and confirm only that he is safe and in the hands of the family she never had.
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Whether that's still true, or not, I don't know. However, I tend to believe TP. JMHO.
I honestly can not believe what I’m seeing play out.
Then I remembered that they said no to invitations to Balmoral and Sandringham, both relaxed times where they get face-to-face time with the Queen and Charles. They could have had extensive discussions with senior aides for the Queen and Charles, even appointed a suitable go between to do this for them.
By the way, I am NOT buying the story about this being leaked because they were forced to write it down. They leaked it themselves.
Perhaps there were more officers of his age and experience, and of higher value to the Service, than were needed at the time he was `let go'. I can't imagine his Captain's pension will go very far in keeping She Who Must Be Obeyed in the style to which she would like to become accustomed.
Do you have time to briefly say what Harry Markle had suggested? No worries if you can't, I will try and find time to read them later! Supposed to be working *cough
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Max: One short brutal point about money, that one issue that is going to face the Sussexes if they do step down is that they're going to find an awful lot of people, especially in North America who want to give them money but they are absolutely the worst sort of people who... probably most of them they should not be taking money from, and this issue -
Fiona Bruce (interrupting him): you mean in terms of commercial endorsements, that kind of thing?
Max: well there are... (sigh or small exasperated laugh, I can't decide which) whether it's... whether it's.... lending them yachts... whether it's... it's all the people who are most eager to hang around royals are almost ipso facto the people who the royals shouldn't let them hang around, and how they overcome that problem is going to be very difficult for them
I also found it interesting that "lending them yachts" was the only commercial endorsement he could think of off the top of his head, he seemed a little flustered during that bit. I'd have thought someone with his journalistic experience would have been able to think up a better example than that on the spot?
Somebody come shake me if something major happens, yeah? :)
Their friend Tom bradby has been spinning like a top for them, even saying yesterday that they “don’t care” if their titles get taken away. Good boy, Tom! Of course they care. It’s their entire future revenue stream! Does this man get a cut of something?!?
One note about the US, because I have seen multiple reports that one of the “governments” they are talking to is the US, presumably because as self-styled internationally protected persons they would expect state department funded security when they travel here. Any travel they do that is protected by our state department would have a full report written out and that report would be subject to a FOIA request. Anyone can submit a FOIA request and get a readout of what they did and where they went. That’s how we found out more info about her baby shower, some publication put in the paperwork to get the readout. So just a little legal quirk if they do keep their titles and their status and they come here with state-funded security, I can’t imagine that there wouldn’t just be a constant stream of FOIA requests, which might be somewhat frustrating for them (we can only hope).
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7870363/12-steps-Megxit-Meghan-Harry-felt-apart-Firm.html
Oprah Winfrey advised Prince Harry and Meghan Markle on Megxit
Oprah Winfrey advised Prince Harry and Meghan Markle about breaking free from the British royals and following their own path.
The TV queen — who attended the couple’s wedding and is also close to Meghan’s mom, Doria Ragland — discussed their “declaration of independence” and encouraged them to consider making a living in North America by building their own powerful brand.
Harry and Meghan have trademarked “Sussex Royal” as a brand on more than 100 properties in the UK, including clothing, stationery, photographs and educational and charitable endeavors — with predicted revenue of over $500 million.
They’ve gathered a coterie of powerful US players, including the Obamas, George and Amal Clooney, Serena Williams, James Corden and Meghan’s designer pal Misha Nonoo, whose new husband, oil heir Michael Hess, has offered them a place to stay in one of the family’s three homes in the gated Malibu Colony — dubbed “Billionaire’s Beach” — we are told.
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/oprah-winfrey-advised-prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-on-megxit
"Kate's costs nothing like that. Think of her off-the-peg engagement dress compared to Meghan's that cost twice a good UK annual salary. When Kate does dress expensively it is appropriate to the event, for a future queen, whereas Meghan seems to wear couture by default and is a comparatively minor royal. Getting more minor by the minute."
Goodness knows what our collective blood-pressure is at the moment. Nothing compared to how Prince William must be feeling though.
The Diana card is being played now in the DM, very strongly for Harry. William lost his mother AND had a younger brother to care for, especially as his father was wrapped up in his own problems. Now he has all this and the pressures of a future monarch, naturally worried about his own heir, also very vulnerable.
This poor child. The Harkles entire focus appears to be MONEY. I haven't seen any indication they are considering this child.
Money is their first, last, and every in between consideration. I have utter contempt for these two. Harry's "poor me, my mother died when I was 12" routine got tiresome awhile ago.
I saw a talking head on a BBC news programme this lunchtime who said it was shameful that this poor woman had been driven out of the U.K. by being made to feel so unwelcome ! Aargh ! A reporter mentioned their new website said they were going to be more 'modern and progressive ' royals but said that it wasn't explained exactly how they were going to do this. Par for the course with them.
PH will never have his HRH taken off him. The Sussex title - I'd say it'd be up for discussion and negotiation. They'd have to give assurances that we wouldn't see their monogram on romper suits or jars of bronzer. Nor can they do the 'half in half out' thing. No way could you have them representing TQ/UK/the British people/Commonwealth one day and the next have them being paid to turn up at a speaking engagement, mouthing off against particular politicians/companies/countries they wanted to use for virtue signalling purposes.
I can't believe she's saying that she's still belittling her husband. It's a way of making people understand that Harry has a mental problem at 34. That his supposedly loving wife should say that about her husband knowing that the whole world will read her words is astounding to me. She exploits the Diana card over and over again.
Also, George V allowed his cousins, the Romanovs, to meet a nasty end. Prince Philip's family was run out of Greece to become impoverished royal nomads. The Windsors are well aware that sometimes the peasants come calling with pitchforks. The Harkles haven't enhanced anyone's popularity in the UK, not their own, or the rest of the family's. Brexit & Bo-Jo's win is an indiction of which way the wind is blowing in the UK at this moment.
@AvaC, thanks for the Atlantic quote and sharing the DT snippets. Glad to see that some American outlets understand, instead of crying racism and foulplay immediately.
@NeutralObserver, you're spot on with her hopes of staying in a bathrobe and being the CEO of a blog or what-have-you with her motivational quote selection and photo editing. These people are insufferable, who think that a fancy, self-conferred title somehow confers the respect of the hard, daily grind.
I missed out on quite a few of the comments on the last blogpost, but just to reiterate re: schizophrenia/mental illness, I wasn't offended by anyone's alternative opinion, and hope nobody else was too by mine. I do agree, that in some sense, Meghan and Harry aren't acting rationally in a way most people would. They certainly cannot be trusted to hold to agreements or to think about anyone else's wellbeing but their own. This is why I also think everyone who has written about no appeasement is correct. With typical people, you can compromise and everyone is slightly unhappy. But here, it seems that Meghan is not satisfied with anything less than her utmost happiness on her terms alone and lacks the emotional and mental fortitude to adjust to her situation or to other people. Her pattern of pushing away anything that is less than 100% perfect for her is pretty clear, regardless of whatever label you or I prefer to put on it.
For me, it is also sad that many people seem to support Harry and Meghan; it shows how much our society has come to view an extreme form of individualism as normal. That happiness lies only in fulfilling one's wishes without regard to anyone else and that one drawback to happiness is the inability to earn as much money, status, and power as you can. That it's ok to go nuclear and wave a big stick of threats to get what you want, instead of diplomacy and negotiating for less than optimal solutions. A real compromise is where everyone is unhappy! :-) Only kidding.
Peggy said:
>>>I love how MM has fled the UK and left Harry to deal with her mess (that she seems to create everywhere she goes) on his own. Only a coward doesn’t face people after causing such drama! I think there is lot to the story about her fleeing which may or may not come out.<<<
Try this on: After the website of demands went live, Meghan was stripped of her UK visa and she and her shiny new Canadian visa were escorted back to Heathrow. She was most assuredly counting on being, not only a part of the 'negotiations' with the BRF, but of running those meetings. A police escort to the airport disabused her of this notion tout suite. Owing to his place in the line of succession as a blood royal, and being a Counsellor of State, Harry may be granted a domicile in England as demanded, at least until such time as it is decided whether his titles will be fully revoked and/or a new Counsellor of State to take his place is appointed. So Harry's family will put him up somewhere, but FroggyCott is likely off the table since they have never lived there.
I pity the poor RPO who had to accompany Meghan to Canada. I hope he/she gets hazard pay and a special medal of honor from the Queen when all this is sorted.
As to where Megwad goes, who she sees and leeches off of, I don't give two sh*ts.
>>>What will happen with “Archie’s” custody if he is in NA with MM? Is that one of the reasons she has fled?<<<
Given the cavalier response by the Family to Archie being left behind in North America with no royal guardians with him . . I think Meg has finally overplayed her hand with a threat too far. The BRF is not making a flap about an abandoned minor in another country because they *know* he was never in Canada, if he was ever even a part of the family to begin with.
Opinion piece in The Australian: "Prince Harry and his bride have dispatched with the royal family... so should we."
What utter morons.
Couple of other thoughts I have:
Perhaps duchess destructive fled to who knows where, because she saw/sensed Harry is vacillating. And Archie being where ever Archie gives her cover.
And, perhaps William is on the phone, telling Harry, "you want the money and titles? Fine, but first you're going to listen to me" and then reads the dossier they have on duchess destructive.
HM et al, are very aware of the public sentiment - no money, no titles - and certainly will not capitulate to these idiots. They are not, especially William, going to risk the entire royal institution by appeasing mrs grifter and her dummy. I also believe it was MM planting the "the titles will probably not be taken away". How they work this out with these two is beyond me.
Finally, if PC and PW are really clever, they will tell Harry - we'll give you most of what you want AFTER you go to real rehab that we pick out, then we'll get on with all of this... or perhaps, this was already suggested to him months ago.
Apologies if these thoughts have already appeared - I haven't read all of the last 900+ comments 'cause work.
anonymous asked:
I just wanted to add and correct myself about the titles and letters patent. Harry and MM never received the great seal on letters patent for their titles as Duke and Duchess of Sussex unlike the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge almost a month after marriage. This leads me to believe that their Dukedoms can be easily taken away.
Very. Interesting.
Clintons, Obamas, Hollywood Royalty, etc.
Also, many woke heads of states which share her globalist elitist agenda, such as Mr.Trudeau. Oprah was the key person who gave BO a presence on the world platform leading to his landslide victory.
While she does not have the influence she once had, and many US citizens are like our British cousins and have developed a huge distaste for all the woke nonsense from leftie lovies ( which Ricky Gervais brilliantly capitalized on while hosting the the Golden Globes ) she apparently would love to see MM in a place of power in the US. Leading me back to MM and PH- the one way they could gain equal footing with PW and DC os to land the Presidency.
And sorry to offend a huge portion of the US, but our rogue beltway govt has packed most of our conservative states and counties with left leaning grabbers and we are teetering on the cusp of a one party system. With DT, the left was caught with their pants down and they aren't going down without a fight in 2020. HRC has been batting around running again and we have just enough dummies here who would vote for her again with Markle on the ticket. Her aspirations, I think, is political giving her all the power she thinks. And she would have the full backing of the global cabal elite. A perfect minion to do their bidding which she may have already signed on for.
Nobody said that you have to be uber-rich in order to be a social justice activist. In fact, most times they are incompatible. Yet here we are with people having 34mill between them and a built-in platform, still begging for handouts because they can't run their projects with lean overhead. Nobody said you needed social media teams or press secretaries or two separate PR teams for an organisation that functions primarily as a spokesperson, rather than organising actual initiatives. They aren't funding projects, they are simply raising awareness and yet demand a full team. It sounded like Meghan read about how corporations are run, and decided to copy that structure so she could feel important leading a team or that this is what CEOs do. She even bragged on her Tig about being so big that she needed someone to help her, and yet DM now reports she only earned 61K annually from the blog.
@Lurking With Spoon Thanks for the Transcription! LOL, I am ashamed to say that I had no idea what yachting was until studying up on Meghan. Now, the connection is forever in my head.
So many great comments! It’s been hard keeping up with all the posts and boy the drama is juicy. One thing I want to put out there is I think we got the news of Meg’s contract with Givenchy because the dam is about to burst on more stories the media have held back on H&M. I think we might finally get the coverage of Meg’s merching. Having Dan Wooten bring up Meg’s commercial contracts begs the question what are the timelines for these contracts. We might finally get the story of H&M merching Archie when they visited Desmond Tutu.
My guess on the Givenchy contract was Meg signed it before getting married and is using loopholes to carry it out now that she is in the BRF.
British taxpayers should not have to pay for their security at all. The biggest problem though is that Meghan does not listen and insists on things being done her way, so whoever provides security will be compromised by that (i.e. RPOs from Scotland Yard will not be more effective once the Sussexes are independent and based in America). Meghan and Harry can afford to pay for their own security. They are just trying to get a freebie. They will get it.
However, since Woke and Broke are actually quitting their job, they aren't really entitled to severance pay, I would think. IMHO, a year's pay is more than generous.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2020/01/prince-harry-meghan-markle-hypocrisy-royals/604714/
5 million is plenty to start out on, but they don't really want to be financially independent, at least I don't think so. I wonder if the Jennifer Meyer episode with the jewelry set this in motion. If they're "working towards financial independence" then they can justify the merching.
Harry has been so disrespectful towards his grandmother, his father, his brother, his whole family. "Archie is in Canada" is like holding the RF emotionally hostage, in my opinion. They are a disgrace.
Harry, what have you done?
"Stripping" royals - especially the son and brother of a future king - is a very grave step. Especially as it could be argued that Harry hasn't actually DONE anything that terrible - yet. So I do not believe that will happen.
On the other hand, the royals simply cannot allow the Harkles to effectively set up a rival royal court in Canada or wherever. They cannot allow royal titles to be used for commercial purposes. They cannot allow royals to go rogue and consort with all sorts of dodgy characters in exchange for a few bob for their 'foundation' (yes I know Andrew did this but it was mostly on the down-low, something the Harkles are incapable of).
So what to do? I was thinking maybe a hefty financial lump-sum in return for an iron-clad NDA and no merching? But Meghan would not agree to that. She craves fame and adulation at least as much as she craves money. Plus the royals have to declare their outgoings and this would be recorded and would look very, very bad. I really think HM should bite the bullet and leave them with their titles but with no funding, no security and no Frog Cottage. Plus, no participation in royal events. You're in or you're out. They should be out.
"Meghan Markle has ALREADY begun negotiations with top fashion brands including GIVENCHY - as she and Prince Harry work towards becoming 'financially independent,' source claims."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7873109/Meghan-Markle-started-negotiations-fashion-brands.html
I love it. GIVENCHY. So much for Meghan dividing her time between her charities and the BRF's patronages, as this new 'hybrid royal' model is supposed to work (BBC2 Newsnight last night).
After the widespread criticism of the wedding dress, I'm surprised Givenchy wants anything to do with her. What would Hubert de Givenchy say??!! He worked with the young Audrey and defined her style at its most sublime.
Everything comes back to Archie, I believe. Where is he? Who is he? The posters above who mentioned he may be in custody of the BRF (Sophie?) make a good point. I hope this is true, the poor little guy. Born into every privilege and wealth and stuck with narcissist / mentally unstable parents.
@Hikari: "The BRF is not making a flap about an abandoned minor in another country because they *know* he was never in Canada." Very good point.
Another possibility is that Archie is in Canada, but is perhaps not of royal blood. I agree the BRF should be making a flap about Archie being abandoned on another continent, though. Even if he is not of royal blood, they should still be concerned for his safety and wellbeing.
I just thought it was a bit of an odd choice when talking about those two because the only time I've seen yachting brought up specifically in relation to them is the talk of MM's past links to it. I do admit I don't follow everything so I could well have missed something about them borrowing a yacht in the last couple of years. I found it a bit of a weird and very specific example to give when most other people I've seen talking about it automatically think of lots of other ways they could "commercially endorse" things before getting to "they could get someone to lend them a yacht". Most probably I'm reading too much into it lol
Too late for the RF to trust or not to trust. The Queen has lost control and missed the point where the "royal" has been trademarkled. Unless they stop commercial use the crown becomes the object of trade.
All the bells and whistles of royalty with diamonds and long trains will look ridiculous once mystic is gone.
I am shocked at the "negotiations" still going on with the RF/ four houses. This is what Megs was betting on - Granny's love for Harry.
What is think will happen - the one lump settlement and keep the titles. I hope the Firm would demand the disclaimer on the Sussex website. Rent for Frogmore. Costs split half/ half for RPO.
what I want to happen - Prince and Princess Henry of Windsor. He gets the HRH, she doesn't. No money. No RPO.
I am appalled as a human being at Harry's treatment of his grandmother. I am not shocked by Megs at all - this is endgame for her. The lack of rings on splayed fingers was her way of telling Harry - choose!
How stupid and sad for Harry.
@Nelo Any source for the SS news?
As much as I share your sentiment I do not see how Harry would have HRH and she wouldn't. She got it at marriage. Wallis didn't.
To be fair to Oprah, retailers in the US sometimes close a whole store for a big celebrity to shop in private. I know this because an old friend of mine who had a part-time Christmas job at F.A.O. Schwartz back when she was a teen, said that the store had closed for Cher. So Oprah probably got the same treatment, although I imagine some grunt usually does her shopping for her. Don't know if retailers still do that. So many of them have gone under, they probably wouldn't like the loss of traffic closing would cause.
I suspect Harry is already regretting it. He looks wretched but probably feels trapped. An emotionally immature,thick-as-a-brick prince got snared by someone much more ruthless and worldly than him. And now there's a child involved! What a right royal mess! The absolute least worst solution for the royals would be a divorce, but even then there would likely be a nasty custody battle and daily leaks to the press.
It's hard to see how how any good can come of any of this.
>>>Perhaps duchess destructive fled to who knows where, because she saw/sensed Harry is vacillating. And Archie being where ever Archie gives her cover.<<<
If 'H' were vacillating, all the more reason she'd insist on staying so she could 'support' him with both claws clasped to his arm. Unless, as I suggested in an above comment, Duckass Destructive was expelled from England to await her fate. Her Canadian visa is all new and shiny and the BRF wasted no time in giving her a chance to try it out. Maybe? This is just my theory. But it would be very uncharacteristic of Meghan to 'allow' 'H' to take these meetings with his family on his own. Harry can barely string two sentences together without them being written out for him; stripped of his co-conspirator in crime, the one who always does all the talking, Harry is going to be a lamb to slaughter. Imagine Haz, defiant but alone, shorn of his grifting appendage, flop sweat pouring, being sat in a chair and being forced to look Granny in the eye and explain himself. Harry's big brother (who is BIG in all senses) will loom behind the chair with a scarf ready to be used as a chokehold if Kid Bro starts getting belligerent. They may well have a mess to clean up under the chair before they are done, but Harry is being brought to account right now without his symbiotic Valdemort soul-sucker in the room to put words in his mouth.
I would say I feel some pity, but he put himself in this position. I hope that I live long enough to read all the books which are going to be written about the tragically misguided Second Duke of Sussex and his notorious wife, who together attempted to bring down the British Monarchy in the manner of Great-great Uncle David. I hope history records that this treasonous uprising was squashed like a bug after a minor skirmish. It may not be until the reign of King William that the full truth will ever be told. Maybe not even then--this is a family scandal majeure . . in some ways more damaging than what happened with Diana. Diana had settled her accounts with the Family before she died and never tried to foist off fake pregnancies on the world or merch tacky jewelry on American cable networks. Beyond what Meghan has done, the complicity and corrosive deceit of a blood member of the Family is the truly shocking and historically notable piece here--Megs is only the latest in a line of unsuitable royal wives, so she is not completely unique in that regard--what Harry has done marks him out as an odious traitor to the Crown and to the bonds of family affection. Were he a grandson of the other Elizabeth, his granny's namesake, his head would currently be on a pike as an example.
Hubris, thy name is Harry. Not for the first time, either.
The Queen's mention of him in her speech does make matters even more woolly, just when I thought I'd had it sorted in my own mind. All HM's utterances for public consumption are done with intention, so, if Archie is not a real baby within the fold of the Royal family, than that sentence was included to lull Harry and Megwad into a false sense of security.
I do hope we get some clarity about Archie, because the thought of him in the careless, callous hands of these two grifting narcos gives me a stomachache. He will be a big bargaining chip for Meghan--if he is really her baby, and more importantly--Harry's real baby. Let's see what we see. If he's not . . the books devoted to the fraud of the century will be entertaining reads. Not to mention the documentaries.
Prayers for HMTQ, Charles, William and all the family as they sort through this. Their decisions in the coming days will be historic. I pray for Prince Philip's health--if he's feeling up to it, I hope he enters into these talks and boxes his errant grandson's ears. PP appointed Harry to his post of Captain General Royal Marines and the kid has been an utter disgrace to his grandfather's trust, along with everyone else's.
I do hope Harry gets some serious intervention in the form of mental health care/rehab so that he may live past 40. As things stand right now, I do not expect him to. I pray he comes to repentance for what he has done and might be able to rejoin the family at some point in the future.
As for Meg, she can go to hell. She doesn't need any help from me to get there.
The short version is that I think this is a crime scene and information released is limited and questionable. More to come on that.
For now, I must go. I cannot step back and still get paid, so I must exist not live in order to eat and pay rent. The upside is that I am not a real whore with a faux tiara and the whole world isn't snickering at my underarm stains; the downside is that I have still not learned to lawn bowl.
And by whore, I do not mean of the sexual variety, I mean, in general, the soulless, vacuous, vile type of person, male or female, who will do anything for money, fame, etc. Specifically, I mean Rach.
MM it seems likes to go on about female empowerment, and as another poster mentioned, she has quite the example right in front of her in HM. But I suspect she's not so interested in seeing someone else empowered, because it's actually threatening to her. She wants YOU to listen while she goes on about it, allegedly.
Finally, I agree with the poster who suggested HM contract out the work for the part-time working royals. Give MM appearances only where she shows up to listen and help in the background. No speeches, no cameras. She won't want to stick around for that.
I agree they should lose their titles but am almost certain they won't. Like I said, to revoke the title of the son of a future king would be a very serious step, entirely unprecedented in modern times. It would also have people asking why the same hasn't happened to Andrew. But so long as they do hold those titles, everything they say and do will have the royal imprimatur, so to speak. It really is a conundrum. I cannot see a good solution. Where's Tommy Lascelles when you need him?
>>>Another possibility is that Archie is in Canada, but is perhaps not of royal blood. I agree the BRF should be making a flap about Archie being abandoned on another continent, though. Even if he is not of royal blood, they should still be concerned for his safety and wellbeing.<<<
Yes, they should, and I believe will be, if Meghan actually has a baby, whether he be proven to be genetically Harry's or not.
I've read that Markus Anderson, Meggy's SoHo House BFF, is suddenly listing himself as a 'father' on his social media profiles, despite being an openly gay man who was or currently still is in a sexual relationship with Edward Enninful, the editor of British Vogue (if EE retains that gig after the toxic stinkbomb known as the September issue.) So this story keeps on getting more and more Meghan, doesn't it? I think that all reasonable folks accept that Meghan employed a surrogate, using one of her frozen eggs. If Harry was not involved in any way, including, even knowing it was happening before it was too late, then Megsy has really gone rogue. Fertilizing her egg with a sample from Markus would be in both of their wheelhouses, I have no doubt. Taking their 'hand in pocket' relationship to a whole other level, innit.
I have a feeling that things happened so fast with this split because the BRF finally got the DNA results back on Archie. It must have taken them much time to compel a sample from cagey Megs. I think the 'break' was in the mode of an exile, not a voluntary vacation, and while licking their wounds over being banned from family Christmas, the duo concocted their ransom website and plan to storm the Canadian embassy like the Beatles coming to America.
I hope that little guy (or possibly girl) is safe and loved and happy, and will grow up well. If Harry and Meghan are truly his parents, his life is doomed. He will wind up like celebrity children such as Bobbi Kristina Brown. His well-being, where and whoever he is is my chief prayer in all of this. He is the only one of this trio that matters.
"Dementors are among the foulest creatures that walk this earth. They infest the darkest, filthiest places, they glory in decay and despair, they drain peace, hope, and happiness out of the air around them... Get too near a Dementor and every good feeling, every happy memory will be sucked out of you. If it can, the Dementor will feed on you long enough to reduce you to something like itself... soulless and evil. You will be left with nothing but the worst experiences of your life."
Ms Hinsliff added that losing Harry and Meghan will hurt the institution of the monarchy that the Queen has worked so hard to preserve.
The young royals are key to keeping the public invested in the Royal Family, as they can dazzle them with such things as fashion, weddings and babies.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1226708/queen-elizabeth-ii-prince-harry-meghan-markle-royal-family-senior-royals-spt
If "dazzling people with fashion, weddings and babies" is what really creates public interest in the younger royals, then they've not even been able to manage that properly. I'll let them have the wedding considered as "dazzling" as a goodwill gesture, but the other two points are seriously debatable in my mind considering the multiple fashion faux pas's (unsure of the correct plural for that phrase, but I'm sure you know what I mean) we've seen and the whole palaver around Archie.
@Ava C I want them to lose their titles too but I tend to agree with what @Liver Bird was saying. The royals are in an extremely tough position. It’s almost impossible. Them losing their titles adds even more chaos and the potential to destabilize the entire monarchy. The narrative will always be why them and not Prince Andrew? Then there is the issue of the notoriety they get for losing their titles. That cachet may be even more powerful on the world stage. The Sussexes can never dissociate from the BRF completely and because of that, they will always be capable of monetizing the connection. The only thing the BRF can do is limit that connection as much as possible with NDAs and zero further contact.
Leave it to Meg to possibly start merching “X-Sussex” t-shirts, cups, and mugs. Where there’s a will, there’s a way with her. Left to their devices, H&M will most likely fall on their faces like Fergie. I really hope the royals can pull a magic trick of some kind for this awful mess.
Another point that sticks in my craw is that one aspect of their "charitable entity" will pivot towards empowering women. Which women? Because Meghan & Harry could give a Ted Talk on how to embarrass a woman... one in particular, HMTQ. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.
The empowering women statement on the web site is very hypocritical to me, too. We have all seen the evidence that Meghan "rose" to her present position by using men and other people, using her sexuality, i.e., the Men's Health burger grilling video, the provocative images (the French maid's costume) the movie and TV scenes simulating various acts, etc. She knows nothing about being either an empowered or powerful woman. More word salad from Smegs. The only power she has now is by virtue of her husband's position. How is that "empowered?" Dropping a bombshell on the BRF and running is not empowered or powerful. Truly powerful people face what they have started and stay around to negotiate. Rather than empowered, Smegs is a coward.
@Vince
Thanks for sharing your perspective.
I can't get over this empowering women crap. Coming from the dirt poor background (at some point I had nowhere to live) I didn't need "empowerment". I needed education, help with accommodation, protection from harassment, training, encouragement. I didn't need empowerment.
Her loud words don't mean anything in the real world. That's why I can't stand that woke rubbish.
Once all they have to "sell" is themselves, it will quickly fold. They have shown who they are and what brand wants to associate with people who have no respect for authority, don't listen to advice, want their cake and eat it too, run to the press when unhappy, and most important, are not liked! Truly, a brand ambassador needs to be authentic - could be authentic in a good way, quirky, sexy, rogue, etc. Meghan does not have an authentic bone in her body, which is why it is so hard for her to act. Harry, well, he is authentically a dim, petulant, man-child and that really doesn't sell much!
Oprah: she advised them/she didn’t advise them
Harry: with Meghan to Canada/following shortly/early next week etc
In between meetings glancing around the internet: did Oprah come out and say she did not advise the destructive duo?
Given claims they could make £500m with their new global empire are derisory, the only other thing to do is remove ALL their funding. Wouldn't work as a bargaining chip at the moment as H&M drink their own kool-aid but later on, when they're struggling, if they are cut off now, they will have to meet BRF terms later. Having caused a lot of damage in the meantime of course.
I agree about needing Tommy Lascelles! Or Thomas Cromwell! (I don't accept Hilary Mantel's version but he WAS a steely operator). They need an enforcer. Lord Geidt hasn't lived up to our expectations.
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Didn't Charles sideline Lord Geidt last year? And in any case, ultimately it's the royals who make the decisions. Advisers are just that, advisers. I mean, Meghan surely had very competent staff advising her on protocol and the like, but chose to ignore them.
The one whose absence is really being felt is Philip, the royal enforcer for half a century and more. If he were even 10 years younger, I really do believe things would never have been allowed to get to this sorry state.
***** James Henderson, public relations adviser to the Duchess of York, said the Sussexes were likely to use their newfound freedom to make millions in the US, while turning their brand into a global empire.
"I am sure the Duke and Duchess of Sussex are a big deal in the US,” he told the Telegraph last night. *****
Having Fergie's PR advisor confirm H&M will be a big success makes me feel MUCH better. :-) :-) :-)
From The DM
'Make no mistake, it's an insult': Fleet Street's jury say Meghan and Harry can expect 'no mercy' after their stunning decision to 'go rogue' and quit.’
The press will never leave them alone now and i strongly suspect they won’t have royal Press office protection to fend or support them.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7872827/Meghan-Harry-expect-no-mercy-stunning-decision-quit-say-royal-commentators.html
Whether seeing MM off the national premises could be executed with such decorum is debatable; I imagine it'd be accompanied by a great deal of kicking and screaming. Once her shoes were off, she's be pretty well disarmed, though one would have to watch for the claws.
In addition to Harry Markle's early postings, I found reading Toronto Papers 1 in date order on Twitter very interesting. There had been discussion on Harry Markle as to their authenticity or whether they were troll accounts but they sound genuinely the work of someone who knows MM well and who has previously suffered at her hands. Comments about the recent visit to Canada House are very telling.
They also mention an earlier episode of doxxing involving the DM, where MM may have been prime mover. I believe an ordinary You-Tuber, a Welsh lady known as Yankee Wally, got caught by it - MM has given her a tough time but Yankee has fought back and she's still making videos- all respect to her.
Press office protection to fend off or support them.
I wonder if PC can actually cut them off from the Duchy money? And i do remember reading how they all had contracts with The Firm. It is a business. I remember when Kate was negotiating her's when she and PW were going to be married. M&H fully believe they will continue to have Duchy money so there must be something there as to why.
But they'll find plenty to "donate" to their charity at first (tax write off anyone?) and laundering. They'll get in so deep with the parasites they won't know how to exit.
Going to be interesting. Now i'm off to the chiropractor to be my body & attitude adjusted.
This is someone connected to TP1>
https://twitter.com/lilavarisi/status/1215668867688730624
Megs: Common sense says LONDON TO ISTANBUL is WAY CLOSER in flight than LONDON TO CANADA, but ya... ok.... everyone loves your Canada excuse.
Agree Harry is completely on board with it all, but he’s weak so a victim too in a sense. He can’t see Meghan for who she really is, he’s still viewing her through rose tinted glasses. Once Meghan has all her ducks in a row, Harry will be next on the chopping block and what a truly rude awaking he’ll have when that happens.
If the Harkles are now a solo entity, they have lost the protection of the royal Family, and I don't mean their body guards. The Royal Family have have some super heavyweight legal, diplomatic and monetary resources. Without that behind them, what is the possibility of the Mail on Sunday going full throttle in defending against Markle's law suit?
So much as been claimed by so many about dirty secrets from Markle's past which Harry buried with the help of Buckingham Palace, internet sites wiped etc. What is the possibility of the MoSunday blazing that across the network's in their defence case, used as examples?
Like everything else, it's all speculation, but it is a thought.
what a truly rude awakening he’ll have when that happens.