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Open post: The Megxit Summit

Today Queen Elizabeth, Prince Charles, Prince William and Prince Harry will meet at Sandringham to discuss the future relationship between the Royal Family and Harry, Meghan, and Archie.

Let's discuss here as developments emerge.

Comments

SwampWoman said…
KnitWit said: Can't believe Goop makes any money at all!

Vagina scented candles...thought it was a joke about silly Goopy's steam treatment but it is a real product. Admittedly, it would be a great gag gift for a bridal shower.


It's a great idea for soyboys. Vagina-scented candles are the closest they're ever going to get to one.
CatEyes said…
@KayC

>>>Again, DM reporting MM was not allowed in on the conference call.....thoughts??<<<

Yes, yesterday I wrote that it would of been a very strong position for the Harkles to have Megs on the line due to the power in negotiation she could of pulled by talking to Harry and stalling by having to consult her.
SwampWoman said…
@Ozmanda I will take your bet and raise you a "how long before Sparkles pleads Exhaustion and get admitted somewhere as this goes down?":)

Exhaustion...is that the same thing as MM chugging a couple bottles of wine and clocking Harry upside the head with an empty bottle after he comes back from 'negotiating'? Because I'd take that.
Anonymous said…
@Ozmanda, I'll bite re Serena's marriage. I admit it, I'm a sucker. I always think marriages must be real, at least for the moment, because who would do that (get married! eeeeek!) if they weren't desperately in love? I know, foolish of me to think that lol because I know better, but I'll still go with he loves her and she him. Sometimes love goes beyond the obvious. I've big time loved a few total nerds who never knew it. People have different buttons. Go ahead, ridicule me lol.


@Dido,

Very true:"Tin foil hat theory: Theoretically, not just $$$ could be in her diplomatic bags, but thumb drives, documents, mobile phones, laptop. She could be the go-between person to launder information between parties that otherwise that cannot meet face to face due to possible ongoing investigations..."

I personally lean towards pre-loaded pre-paid debit cards. She could come in with millions and spend at leisure. You just have to know the right people and it's done.



Also, re the margarine (which, @Hikari, I think could add product depth to the Sussex brand) IMO, this has Wills fingerprints on it. As loathe as Harry hates to admit it, he was not Diana's only child, and Wills would not want to see this happen:

One figure said: 'There will be strict instructions on branding, for example. No one wants to see the Sussexes' name on a tub of margarine.'

This was a deliberate nod to what happened in the aftermath of Diana's death when her memorial fund began endorsing cash-raising schemes that appalled the public.


I am sure Wills knows where Rach would take this if she could. He sat in those meetings with her during Heads Together where she, no doubt, pitched the idea of a Kensington Starbucks drive-thru with her face on every paper cup.
Anonymous said…
I commented on youallknowme99 several million threads ago. What a stinking load of bollocks. The key to it all is when this person tweets, "...the best employee we ever had." Miss Everything-I-Touch-Turns-to-Shit? THAT person? She just can't help herself, can she? This is Ms. Markle's handiwork, I'd eat my keyboard if it wasn't orchestrated by her or someone close to her.
Sandie said…
@tatty: 'Re: how will Archie do school? I also brought this up, but maybe the have a 5 year plan? I would hate for him to be homeschooled with tutors and isolated but I would think Harry wouldn’t let that happen.'

My impression is that Canada is temporary (and the part-time in the UK is to keep a door open for Harry). She bolted long before before UK citizenship. Do you think she is going to go through the process of getting Canadian citizenship?

Jessica and Ben are not going to be happy with her parked on their doorstep. This is Megsy who made it to the top of the pile, not the Megsy climbing the slippery pole that they befriended before Harry. She is going to be stomping all over their territory.

LA is her home, and the USA is where all her business structure is, but I would speculate that she would want homes all over the world (she does not keep friends and family so she wants to move around from one fashionable spot to another).

Archie will be with his father most of the time, and that will be wherever he eventually finds peace and healing.
Anonymous said…
The comment by the Queen was very carefully worded. She is all nuance, but Harry KNOWS Queen-speak. It was a bunch of smackdowns and veiled threats. Keep you nose clean, Harry, or you will be cut off with only your trust fund to live off of. The minute, no, the second, they start merching the Sussex title (even if they've lost the HRH, Duchess tampax made out of organic cotton-don't tell me she hasn't thought of it), and Her Majesty will be down on them like a ton of bricks. Ms. Markle is now hunting for husband No. 3 (or 4, depending on your POV).
SwampWoman said…
@Elle I am sure Wills knows where Rach would take this if she could. He sat in those meetings with her during Heads Together where she, no doubt, pitched the idea of a Kensington Starbucks drive-thru with her face on every paper cup.

Wait, what? I think torturing customers is against the Geneva convention, or it should be.

Sandie said…
Megsy has a very different view of time.

1. In the engagement interview Harry called it 18 months of dating, she called it 2 years (or was it the other way round)? Turned out it was only 18 months (just) if they met when Harry was in Toronto for Invictus Games (and she was still with Corey).

2. In their manifesto she thanks everyone who has been supporting them for several years as Duke and Duchess of Sussex. Geez, Megsy, you haven't even been married for 2 years... that is not several.

3. She is pushing the narrative of bullying by William and others - for 2 years (Sun article). Nope Megsy, you moved out of Kensington Palace and went rogue in Buckingham Palace less than a year after your marriage, so only stupid people would believe that you were bullied by William for 2 years. Besides, getting advice, direction and permission from senior members of the royal family is what the job entails - you were not, and never were going to be, the top dog. As a working royal, you were supposed to serve the monarch, not yourself, at the expense of others. (But note her strange relationship with time.)
SwampWoman said…
@WizardWench: The comment by the Queen was very carefully worded. She is all nuance, but Harry KNOWS Queen-speak. It was a bunch of smackdowns and veiled threats. Keep you nose clean, Harry, or you will be cut off with only your trust fund to live off of. The minute, no, the second, they start merching the Sussex title (even if they've lost the HRH, Duchess tampax made out of organic cotton-don't tell me she hasn't thought of it), and Her Majesty will be down on them like a ton of bricks. Ms. Markle is now hunting for husband No. 3 (or 4, depending on your POV).

Yeppers, but we both know Megs is going to run out and do what she has been warned against immediately just like a kid having a temper tantrum.
Glow W said…
@sandie I agree with all you said




Emily Andrews on twitter says MM was allowed in on the phone toward the end of the meeting, but other commentators say another reporter was told differently and they say they both have well places sources but they can’t confirm which is right because the palaces are not commenting.
ShadeeRrrowz said…
@SwampWoman

“Yeppers, but we both know Megs is going to run out and do what she has been warned against immediately just like a kid having a temper tantrum.”

I think you’re right but I think that’s all part of the plan. When she goes against the agreement, which she will, HM will be able to pull any private funding and send them off to be all “independent” on their own.
Anonymous said…
I do not believe Emily Andrews. What is to stop Ms. Markle from recording every second of that call and altering it so that it appears that the BRF is slandering her. Breitbart did it with Shirley Sherrod to such a disgusting degree that Obama went so far as to actually fire her. It's relatively easy to do. Of course she would try to do it herself because no one else is as competent as she is, and it would end up being garbled and incomprehensible. Because that's the way she rolls.
Sandie said…
Would Megsy sue for copyright infringement if McDonalds started marketing a Sussex Royal hamburger?
abbyh said…

And, according to the DM, Charles was quite specific that the money is not an endless pit to draw upon.

ok sounds like a plan when combined with SwampWoman and ShadeeRrrowz's comments about what is likely to happen.
brown-eyed said…
Rumors of MM seeking asylum in Canada House:

“Claiming asylum in Canada – what happens?
what are the terms of asylum in canada from www.canada.ca

Apr 11, 2019 · Under the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, a person in need of protection is a person in Canada who would be subjected personally to a danger of torture, a risk to their life, or a risk of cruel and unusual treatment or punishment if they were returned to their home country.”
KitKatKisses said…
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

I truly feel for Harry. I'm sure right now he is on a high. I can just imagine he is thinking "I finally did it. I finally stood up and broke free." He may even feel elated for cutting William down to size. He might take delight in having a wide open calendar.

What happens when that wears off?

Harry will be unwelcome in the U.K. He will leave his homeland for places very different culturally; he is abandoning his family, his friends, all his favorite places. Adjusting to a whole new country is no easy task. And if he thinks "well, I will no longer be subjected to criticism by the press", he is sadly mistaken. Harry and Megsy will no longer have the palace to run interference for them.

Harry may think he will be some huge celebrity, but here is the difference. Many celebrities are actually good at something...acting, singing, etc. Harry has no recent achievements. He is not particularly handsome, well spoken, or talented. Despite Eton, he is not particularly well educated. He doesn't want to write his own speeches or read books. The cause he has hitched his star to (climate change) is controversial.

When the going gets tough (*and it will!*) Megsy will cut and run. It's what she does.

Can you just picture it? Over *Christmas*, she told him she wanted out. "Here H, here's a tie and a new iPhone and by the way I'm outta here.

Meanwhile, he will watch from afar as William becomes Prince of Wales and then King. William will earn worldwide respect. William and Kate's children will be beloved. They'll be going to Balmoral and Windsor Castle and on their new yacht... and Harry will be a Has-been.
DesignDoctor said…
@LiverBird: Supporting roles in Lifetime (or Hallmark) films is all she ever got!
IEschew said…
Gosh it’s really embarrassing for Harry as I review it all. He had to be spoken to like a frivolous teenager on his first summer with a driver’s license and new job, getting a first lesson about managing money. And this guy’s gonna leave everything he knows and make a life in Canada? Yeah right.

If he still thought he loved her this morning, might a steeping cup of resentment have brewed by bedtime?

Still nothing about the child. We would expect the child would be the first thing anyone would have mentioned in any statement - right?
Ian's Girl said…
I'm hoping that once this farce has come to its inevitable conclusion, Harry will take his son to Africa, marry Chelsy, and live a relatively private life, happily ever after. He could still be an asset to the Crown, without having near the stress.
Meowwww said…
That meghanandharrysussex.com is a go daddy website. Surely purchased by a sugar.
Meowwww said…
Harryandmeghansussex.com. Oops.
SDJ said…
What do you all think Megan was doing last night in the hours leading up to the Sandringham Summit, and then during the Summit, and now?

Pacing and muttering to herself, doing a happy dance, screaming and putting pins in her Royal Family voodoo dolls? Did she have her coterie of advisors beside her to vet any offers?

In all seriousness, I really do wonder. We've been given lots of clues about the Summit, but nothing as to what MM was experiencing. I imagine she was not relaxing. I wonder what she's doing right now (early evening, west coast). Drinking? Re-arranging her vision board?
Anonymous said…
Swampwoman Honestly, it seems like all of this should be against the Geneva Convention, lol.

And I, too, am certain that the BRF has this all gamed out. While it might have come as a "surprise", I think a few (William and Kate, esp) saw this coming. And I still hold that MI6 was a subtle Sword of Damocles over her head.

I think it is very important for it to look like the BRF gave in and are making this reasonable for Rach & H, so that when they misbehave, hit that brick wall, and the time is right, there will be payback. And someday, Wills will be King, and he will hold onto this because nothing is getting in the way of his family, and especially not some trashy cocktail waitress in a Dolly Parton wig (that's a line from a Jerry Jeff Walker song for the Dolly fans out there).

But Swampie, you didn't answer the questions above re your thoughts on the "dip" bag.

If Rach had a decent bone in her body, she'd just give H the bad news and cut him loose now. Of course, she doesn't and she won't, so Harry, you fool, what have you done?

I do not believe Rach was allowed to phone in, either. Wills would probably have reached thru the phone, grabbed the wig, and it would have been hanging from the antenna on his car, Viking-style, had he had to speak to her.
Dido said…
Ian's Girl I'm hoping that once this farce has come to its inevitable conclusion, Harry will take his son to Africa, marry Chelsy, and live a relatively private life, happily ever after. He could still be an asset to the Crown, without having near the stress.

Over Meghan's cold dead claw will that happen! When SHE decides it is over, she will rake Harry over the coals privately and publicly... and then proceed to play the victim.

(I do hope when the Sussexes finally divorce, that Harry does take time to heal himself, take care of his son, and only then begins to look for love)
YankeeDoodle said…
How to stop Harry and Meghan Markle-Giordani-Engleson-Battenberg-Windsor in their tracks? People mag cover of a picture of Diana cradling her toddler William in her arms with the headlines: Diana’s Dying Wish - That William will be the next King. In the corner, the words Diana’s nightmare - Royals Against William. Followed by Vanity Fair “Who in the World is Still Wild About ‘Hapless’ Harry?” Or Tatler “”Sex Must Suck if You Marry a NOOC - and the List of Suc-Sexed Toffs and Royals” followed by The Top(less) List no Posh Wants to Be On: Who hasn’t Tupped this ex in Uniform Divorcee?”
Starry said…
Hey all.

But what about Phillip???

The DM is reporting that he left before Harry arrived. HUGE message. And silent.

Think about it - Harry hasn't seen Philip in at least a couple of months, and the man is on his deathbed.
Glow W said…
@yankee you mean Engleson-Battenburg-Saxe-Coburg and Gotha
lizzie said…
@Ian's Girl wrote "I'm hoping that once this farce has come to its inevitable conclusion, Harry will take his son to Africa, marry Chelsy, and live a relatively private life, happily ever after."

If Chelsy didn't want to marry him 8+ years ago, I doubt she wants to now. I know the reason she refused was supposed to be she didn't want the fishbowl royal existence, but I'm betting that's not all it was. And Harry was much more of a prize then than he is now.
abbyh said…

When is round 2?

(or did I miss something?)
Morning Nutties, this saga is more important than morning coffee and getting out of bed currently. The Queen's statement is super bland, as expected. But I'm willing to bet some decisions have been made. Let's watch out for what MMs first move will be in the next couple of days, that should tell us what she has been explicitly prohibited from doing. Safe to say she'll do whatever she has been told not to do.

Archie hasn't been mentioned because he is part of the finer, more meticulously planned clauses. The public is sensitive towards a baby (real or imaginary). So, best not to stole those fires because that will tilt the scales in her favour.

Nothing is said in the statement because at the heart of it, it's all about money. Not bullying, not cultural difference, not family support, just plain simple money. Mm being what she is (narc!), her only weakness and greatest achievement is her work (whatever she thinks is her work). She is cocky about it, she is ambitious about it, she is willing to rock the boat for it. Work means money, status, glamour, adulation and the one way she believes she is the bestest most unique gift to the world. That's why she is lashing out.

I'm also inclined to think she has some projects/scheme's in the pipeline. Delaware Corp was registered so she could do actual business in the US. Maybe some executive producer gigs, US based endorsements, voiceover projects with money being funneled in through a company and not directly into her account.
Starry said…
I think the following statement is the back door for Harry to come back once Meghan ditches him:

Although we would have preferred them to remain full-time working Members of the Royal Family, we respect and understand their wish to live a more independent life as a family while remaining a valued part of my family.

Starting the sentence with a subordinate clause is telling. As is the word "family" three times.
Dido said…
I don't know much about this Katie Hopkins, but I stumbled on her videos when searching #Megxit on Twitter. She acts like Meghan! Too funny! (She keeps tugging on her yak wig!)

https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1216707178293125120

https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1215200688592052224

https://twitter.com/KTHopkins/status/1214986285653352449
ShadeeRrrowz said…
@Alice, Surrey James
“Archie hasn't been mentioned because he is part of the finer, more meticulously planned clauses. The public is sensitive towards a baby (real or imaginary). So, best not to stole those fires because that will tilt the scales in her favour.”

I’ve thought this too. No faster way than to swing opinion back her way than by having RPOs grab Archie and whisk him off to BP. He has RPOs with him and they will keep him safe and they will always know where he is. Unless he is obvious danger that the public can see (not just a press release from the palace saying he’s in danger), it’s better to just let this side of it play out quietly.

I think HM and PC are trying to strike a tone of concerned family. Being labeled as baby snatchers might negate any of that. If they need to bring Archie home, they will.
As to why the couple is currently in a secluded mansion in Saanich (that's being reported, right?) and not in LA or Toronto? Some thoughts... Because it allows MM to provide H with a false sense of security. It allows her to convince him that, ' see, all I want is peace and quiet, to be in with nature. This is the life I want and I know that you always wanted.'.

She hasn't completely discarded H yet, she needs him and the family, at least in these intial stages of her break away, to make as little fuss as possible and to have public sympathy on her side. By being on Vancouver island/Victoria/Saanich (sorry, I'm not familiar with Canada's geography and territories) she thinks she controls the narrative, and plays to Harry's emotions. H is a country lad happy to be living in a log hut, sitting by the lake, counting stars at night. Now I know he hasn't actually done any of that but he does indulythat side of himself occasionally and craves the freedom. That is part of his shadow self that she has tapped on and is milking dry.

*Just my opinion.
HappyDays said…

The Cat's Meow said…
Re: Archie (@Hikari and @wizardwench)

I think she is hiding him until she can guarantee making money from him. Once they are allowed to "officially merch"....watch out!

If she had allowed much access then the profit would dwindle.

Hi All, I think HG Tudor on A Very Royal Narcissist, either in part 7 or part 8, is right on why Archie is not being seen. Meghan is using Archie as a bargaining chip.

In a way, she is holding him hostage to make sure that after conversations with HM, PC, W & K, if Harry has one of those “Shit, why didn’t I see she was only in it for the title, fame, status, power, and money?” moments and realizes he’s being played by a world-class manipulator and decides to dump Meghan before she dumps him.

With Archie nearly on the other side of the world in BC, Harry has to return to Canada, where he’s likely to receive an emotional beat-down from Meghan to put him in his place — Royal dog washer and sperm donor.
Mischief Girl said…
While HMTQ's message can be interpreted any number of ways, what I'm enjoying most is that MM wasn't allowed to "call in" due to fears that someone else could be listening in. Boy howdy! How's that for "we don't trust you"?

You know she had to have been furious about that exclusion, but I think the BRF was right to insist on it. This is a serious and private FAMILY discussion, and MM has shown she has no loyalty to that family at all, so she should be excluded from future conversations.

She is completely untrustworthy. I'm praying they lose the HRH and Duke/Duchess titles. Let them merch to their hearts' content as the Prince Harry and Meghan Mountbatten-Windsor.
HappyDays said…
Alice, Surrey James said...
As to why the couple is currently in a secluded mansion in Saanich (that's being reported, right?) and not in LA or Toronto? Some thoughts... Because it allows MM to provide H with a false sense of security. It allows her to convince him that, ' see, all I want is peace and quiet, to be in with nature. This is the life I want and I know that you always wanted.’

@Alice, To tag onto your thoughts about the false sense of security, when narcissists are in the process of and achieve total isolation of their target from family, friends and their former life, they also create a narrative of the two of them being victims, which Meghan has no doubt cultivated from the first time they met (Poor little orphaned me, I don’t really have much family, Harry. Poor you! Your mummy died and it’s all the fault of the press.) to create an ‘It’s us against the world.’ storyline to justify why he’s been cut off from everything he knew before the narcissist entered the picture. She has to keep him as a primary fuel source — at least for now.
QueenWhitby said…
What if Meghan’s real game is just getting the RF to make an offer? Right now, she won’t get much in a divorce with the bulk of their income coming from the Duchies, and Harry’s inheritance untouchable.

Maybe she is pretending that she is planning a future with Harry and the minute the RF make an offer, she’s got a quantifiable Sussex value or estimation of worth to which she could then say uh uh, not good enough, I want a divorce and 50% of what’s on the table.

Could this be her strategy to optimize any potential divorce settlement?
KnitWit said…
I am behind again.

Sorry if it had been mentioned, but " something great is coming"...

https://harryandmeghansussex.com/

Note it doesn't say royal.

They should have gone with Dumbarton with a capital Dumb.
@QueenWhitby said - " .... Maybe she is pretending that she is planning a future with Harry.."

Of course she is pretending! Any Tom, Dick and non-princely Harry and their granny can see she is pretending. Lol

KnitWit said…
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Dark chocolate, avacados and pumpkin seeds are rich in magnesium.

People on heart medicines or diuretics have to be careful. Check with your Dr.

Vitamin C can cause false readings on cumidin tests. It can thin the blood slightly, but it also reacts with the chemicals of the test.
DesignDoctor said…
@Elle Thanks, Elle! I am in an exceptionally busy time at work with a hard deadline, so it has been really hard keeping up! I grr with your 'Where I am now" statements.

@NeutralO Rach thinks she's a "Royal Piece" as in great piece of azz. (Cue the Men's Health Grilling Video.) However, the other members of the BRF just think she's a Royal pain in the azz. And she has been for them.
Flies have a great affinity for trash. Hence the fly buzzing around Rach's face at the wedding!

This is how I feel about the bog, too @NeutralO
I must go, I've got to get back to real life. This has been fun, like guzzling Tequila Sunrises on Kaimana Beach with one's gal pals while the rest of the world is at work.
This blog is just so much fun! I love the intelligent comments, the song lyrics, the different POVs Thank you all!
Sandie said…
Some gossip from LSA (https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/meghan-markle-unpopular-opinions-thread-pt-2.2215591/page-2442#post-53805674)

Note this is a transcription of a transcription.

1. The BRF are shutting down Meghan's plans to profit from the Sussex Royal title. (Can they control her? I doubt it. Even if Harry signs an agreement, she will not honour it.)

2. Meghan is going to run a PR campaign to portray herself as a victim and the BRF as racist and sexist. But the BRF have receipts of how they gave her preferential treatment and went out of their way for her over and over again. It's going to be war. (Well, that has already started!)

3. Next up will be setting the stage for divorce. (My favourite tarot readers did give a timeline for when news of a separation will be leaked and I think it is within the next few months.)

4. There is a huge dossier of dirt on Meghan that can (and probably will) be released. (I doubt this as it would hurt Harry and Archie, but depends who has control of this. Actually, one of my favourite tarot readers saw that going into that meeting, Charles was aware of dark secrets and some kind of shady stuff that Harry was not being truthful about ... just a mention so I don't want to make too much of it.)
QueenWhitby said…
@AliceSJ, yes I think WE all know that but “officially” at this point, they are ostensibly planning a future together and negotiating for money and perks to smooth a “transition”. I’m just wondering if this is a ploy to up the divorce ante? I’m worried that the minute an offer is on the table, their “brand” is given a value that it doesn’t yet have, that she can then go after. This is why I don’t think they should be offered anything. Zip, zero, nada, nothing.
DesignDoctor said…
@Hikari
I think the Queen's 'nothingburger' speech was more like, "I know firsthand that life is long and Meg's attention span is short. Let's see how things look by the weekend. Meg might have buggered off by then to try and join the Saudi Royal family."
This is hilarious and so very true. The Duchess couldn't even make it two years in the BRF! She has the attention span of a flea.
Re - they should not be given anything.

I don't think they will be, at least not Meghan. But public and on paper the BRF will appear to have granted them the freedom and will show support. Any favours granted, any monetary negotiations will be strictly for Harry's benefit. They will wish Meghan luck and might even sent her a bouquet of roses, but they will cut her adrift. She knows it,Harry knows it. Hence the frantic pace of the announcement, the subterfuge and Meghan's panic. Hence the ambiguous statement from the queen. I bet the lawyers are working overtime, the cabinet is involved, calls to Canada are being made. It's why this summit was done so publicly, to send a statement that all's well and all parties will be taken care of.

Behind the scenes, contracts and NDAs will be signed, Harry will be given ultimatums and issued firm directives. He will agree to the BRF demands because he understands that life, not believe for a second that his wife will double cross him. And a few months down the line, she will do exactly that. And poor lamb that she is, she will blame it all on his family and him.
Rainy Day said…
I never thought I would say this, but I actually like Kim Kardashian more than MM at the moment, and I’ve always held Kim and her family to be prime examples of What Is Wrong With This World. At least Kim pays her own way with her ill-gotten gains, and has never asked me to pay for her security detail after she cuts and runs. Next up, a letter to my Member of Parliament!!!
DesignDoctor said…
Oh! @Elle You have outdone yourself with this comment:
I do not believe Rach was allowed to phone in, either. Wills would probably have reached thru the phone, grabbed the wig, and it would have been hanging from the antenna on his car, Viking-style, had he had to speak to her. I especially like it because I live in Vikings country. SKOL Go Vikes! (Bummer they lost the game this weekend.)

I also loved the brilliant comment on an earlier thread about Rach doing a Thelma and Louise in a convertible off the PCH and her wig floating down into the Pacific!
DesignDoctor said…
@Alice, Surrey James
Totally agree with your analysis.
Anonymous said…
Alice, Surrey James

...the BRF will appear to have granted them the freedom and will show support. Any favours granted, any monetary negotiations will be strictly for Harry's benefit. ...they will cut her adrift...It's why this summit was done so publicly, to send a statement that all's well and all parties will be taken care of.

I agree completely, a lot of this was putting "We tried, we really, really tried" on full display. There is a long list of specials and firsts for Rach, and they've got all of the proof of it. This was done publicly so that they could tie a big bow on it. In addition, there's the stress that this has put Her Maj and Phil thru, and H better hope like hell that neither of them dies in the next few weeks because the stress of this will tie to him and the harlot directly.

Behind the scenes, contracts and NDAs will be signed, Harry will be given ultimatums and issued firm directives. He will ... not believe for a second that his wife will double cross him.

What will be interesting is to see how the GP reacts when the inevitable dumping comes. He's given up everything for her. There are pictures all over twitter about the true love and giving up all... so what happens when she dumps H as soon as this is wrapped, and what "giving up all" will really mean is that H got sucker punched by one of the most obvious gold diggers in history, and everyone knew it except for him. Just everyone. Probably even Doria as she sat smirking and licking her lips (sorry, not a big Doria fan).

What is also going to be interesting is to see how the BRF respond to the threat long-term. I'm sure none of them believe Rach will honor any agreement she has signed. She's a fraud and a liar, and those are her good qualities. So, what will they do to her long-term to make sure that she is locked down tight? I know that they'll unleash hell with the information they have about her. I believe it's pretty damning based on the rats fleeing the ship and deathly silence from Rach's "friends". But will it be good enough to stop her cold? And if not, what will they do?


In case any of you nuttiers need visual instruction on how to deal with the claw, my cat really likes this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-Esh4W3dfI

And the only Best Actress Rach will ever get:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7883383/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Oscar-Best-Actress-goes-Meghan-Markle.html
Nutty Flavor said…
Good morning, all!

@starry

But what about Phillip??? The DM is reporting that he left before Harry arrived. HUGE message. And silent. Think about it - Harry hasn't seen Philip in at least a couple of months, and the man is on his deathbed.

Philip has apparently "Fergie'd" Harry.
Anonymous said…
@DesignDoctor I'm glad you enjoyed it. Visualizing it makes me chuckle. And just think how ratty that thing will look after a couple of trips out to Sandringham in the winter rains.

I wonder if Harry will ever get to go to Sandringham or Balmoral again before she dumps him.
QueenWhitby said…
I usually don't have this much time for posting, but here we go again.

The first salvo (that I’ve seen) from the Canadian press being fired across the Sussex bow:

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-harry-and-meghan-and-why-members-of-the-royal-family-cant-live-in/

Nutty Flavor said…
So, Harry has what could be his last engagement as Duke of Sussex on Thursday, some kind of rugby thing at Buckingham Palace.

The next day he may wake up to find an empty schedule of appearances, and realize that he has alientated just about everyone on the contacts list on his phone. Perhaps he'll find himself in a foreign country with no one to talk to but his wife, who is quite busy making deals. He can spend some time with Archie, but as anyone who has been a stay-at-home parent can testify, there are a limited number of conversations you can have with someone who is under one year old.

And he'll have time to think about how he's lost the respect of his grandfather, his grandmother, and his brother, people whose opinions matter deeply to him. (Even though Twitter loves him - for now!)

So, empty days, loneliness, alienation, regret. For someone who has struggled with substance abuse in the past.

What could go wrong?
Fergie's Harry is soon going to be Marked! Poor dear, all those hairplugs for nothing.

Btw, anyone seen the series Romanovs on Netflix a couple of years ago? In one episode, this shitty so-called Romanov descendent decides to off his sweet ,lovely wife because he is having an affair. He takes her on a hike, takes her to the very edge of the mountain top and pushes her. Only to have her land 5 feet below in the bushes. His plan backfires hilariously and all hell breaks lose and get ends up the loser. When I heard of Harry and MMs breakfast hikes that's what came to mind. Lol to all the selfie taking and walking the dogs on a an early morning hike on Vancouver island.
Nutty Flavor said…
On the other hand, Google tells me that polo is indeed played in Canada.
Nutty Flavor said…
@Queen Whitby

The most interesting line of that article is this one:

If they were ordinary private citizens, plain old Harry and Meghan from Sussex, they would be welcome.

Will they be just that? Harry Sussex, Meghan Sussex, and Archie Sussex?

My guess is that Philip will not want them to use the name Mountbatten-Windsor.
Camper said…
Wow, so many comments and I for one love all the content, whether I agree or not, even off topic. But that’s just me, I love to read.

So this morning on Good Morning Britain we’ve had a clip of Justin Trudeau saying the ‘Sussex’s’ will not automatically have their security paid by the Canadian government, interesting to see how that develops. Have been to Canada, love Canada, love Canadians, sending love to you all and apologies for giving you Harry and Meghan, if I could have stopped it I would.

Interviews with people on Vancouver Island. Someone wants them to do public appearances in return for meeting costs of having them! Others that it’s why to quiet for them there. The older generation are more likely to be accepting.

Piers Morgan has just come on, this should be interesting. He’s already saying let’s talk about real peoples struggles in life, as opposed to their make believe struggles. The counter arguments is he lost his mum, that old chestnut again! Urgggg, I need a lie down already before I barf.
Mischief Girl said…
One other thought I had on MM not being allowed to join the family meeting, the Queen, Charles, and William might be thinking this is one of the very last times they’ll be able to speak to Harry alone, without the Claw present. Can’t you hear it now? “If you have any doubts, Harry, any at all, we’re here for you and now is the time to raise them.” Makes me sad for them all.
Anonymous said…
But Nutty, will his allowance from Chas cover polo ponies? I'm not sure he can just rent those by the hour. And I'm certain you're right about Philip and his last name, although I'm even more certain that Rach won't keep it for long anyway. I sure hope they have a containment strategy for that one because we all know she'll honor nothing and no one except her own mercurial whims.
Nutty Flavor said…
You're right, Elle. It's impossible to make a deal with a liar.

I hope Meghan's future business partners get that memo. Perhaps she'll end up with Paris Hilton-level stuff, opening nightclubs in Dubai.
Nutty Flavor said…
The name escapes me right now, but wasn't Harry part of a four-person council that was at the top of the monarchy? Liz, Charles, William, and Harry?

If he's de-royalling, he would presumably be jettisoned from that council too. His most obvious replacement would be Prince Andrew, who would at least have the knowledge to do the job (and probably did do it, before Wills and Harry were of age.)

Or will they skip him and go straight to Beatrice?
Re- upkeep of polo ponies. (And this is just my understanding from knowing a few polo playing weirdos)

If and when Hars ever plays polo it would be for a charity event. So while the Windsors have horses, they breed thoroughbreds, it's not something Harry is actively involved with. Mean to say that H probably doesn't have a favorite horse he keeps in his backyard and takes care of everyday.


When he needs a horse for a match he gets to choose from a the available ones that the sponcers/organizer has. He can also demand/borrow from someone. Most players use more than one horses during a match depending on what the days strategy is. So upkeep of horses for the purposes of polo is not, and likely never been one H's financial responsibility. He is valued as a player, he brings himself. If he were to be on the national team then he would have a horse.
Sandie said…
Doria:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7881909/Meghan-Markle-support-mom-Doria-Ragland-miserable-UK.html

If I find it again, I will post the link ... what is really going on with these pap photos of Doria is that she lashes out at the photographers and threatens to call the sheriff to remove them. I know the paparrazi are a nightmare and behave like scum, so I don't judge her on that. However, the one thing Doria has always had in her favour is that she has kept a dignified silence and ignored the paps, but smiled nicely at press photographers (even giving a little wave) when appropriate.

She is really rattled by the current events around her daughter. Whether she has been intimately included in the victim narrative Meghan is constructing is not known, but it is possible that her daughter has no more use for her and is in the process of discarding her. (I really do not understand - if her mother was with her for Thanksgiving/Christmas, why not a lovely family pic of Doria holding her grandson?)

Here is the video. The interaction is right at the end:

https://youtu.be/umhBhqsFnvc
DesignDoctor said…
@Elle Is that "Karma" emblazoned across her tank top in the photo withe the beagle? How ironic!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7883383/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Oscar-Best-Actress-goes-Meghan-Markle.html
Anonymous said…
Alice, SJ I was curious, so I looked it up, and you're right, he does need more than one horse. Turns out, he needs at least three! Preferably six polo ponies. That's going to get spendy fast. I hope he doesn't have to ask for a raise in his allowance lol.

No horse plays two successive chukkers, and each player rides at least three ponies in the course of a six-chukker match (in high-goal polo the players arrive at the field with no less than six horses apiece, and usually more, and change to a fresh mount after each chukker of play).


Nutty, could Kate be appointed?

I read somewhere that Rach & H want to host glamorous Hollywood dinner parties to raise money for charity.
Anonymous said…
Design Doctor, I didn't notice before, but it looks like it. This reminds me of that line from 13 Hours, "Payback is a bitch and her stripper name is Karma". Soon enough, Harry is going to wake up wondering if this nightmare lap dance was worth it.
DesignDoctor said…
@Elle In the end, H will be left holding Rach's G-String sans the cash, family, status, and country.!
I think HMTQ is playing this so well! She's kept this as a "family" matter, saying she is working to help Harry, her grandson. The real deals will be in the hands of the British government, and when that happens, she can say, "See? We really tried, but the government won't allow it. Sorry, Harry!"
Stupid dimwit Harry doesn't understand the implications of tax issues in three countries and how that could open the entire royal family to serious investigations into The Firm's
tax situations, as they are financially tied to Harry. Her Majesty will never allow that. After all, the family IS The Firm. This is just the first day of talks known to the public. Much more will come. She has to protect the monarchy, and Harry has admitted he has mental issues. He has been so besotted with MM that the RF really can't trust him anymore. MM is just not fit to be a royal and Archie is of no consequence. Personally, I think HMTQ is ready to see Harry leave, and we all know she never wants to see MM again.
Just because HMTQ in her 90s, doesn't mean she is weak. She has longevity on her side. My grandfather was still driving 60 miles day at her age to work, not because he needed the money, but because he just needed to be active. My aunt was still running her restaurants at HM's age, and my mother was still running her chain of stores at the same age. Don't underestimate HMTQ! First and foremost, she's a businesswoman.
On another note, I think MM is in Vancouver with Archie. She wouldn't have left her bargaining chip behind, but the family doesn't really care. Archie is not their problem, as he's so far down the line of succession as to be inconsequential. MM thought her Canadian friends, including Trudeau, would protect her, but that is falling flat, so she and Harry are basically on their own. Serena's husband came out against them, and that's huge news. That's the first "close friend" who bailed on them publicly. More will come. Notice how quiet all of their supporters are now? Megs so shamed herself in Britain that she's not wanted there. She's said they will not live in the US because of Trump (try to keep your financial info private after you've pi**ed him off), and nobody wants them in Canada, either.
Harry will be miserable in Canada. After the sexy vacation feeling wears off, it's weather is very similar to GB, and Harry loves warm weather. It's obvious that MM put her foot down on living in Africa, and of course, blind and horny Harry gives MM what she wants, so I think this is just is stopping point on their way to CA, where MM can merch to her heart's content. I still think she's going to try to set up an international SoHo House operation (remember, she steals ideas), that will lead to all of her goals in merching- from hotels to baby clothes to furniture and home goods. She's looking for an empire, and she's seen the power of the SoHo House. She'll want that action, too. Let's just hope that she bypasses trying to copy the newest Goop product. Can you imagine the Sussex Royal vagina-scented candle? HMTQ will stop any merching under the Sussex Royal name. Unfortunately, they will always be known as the former Duke and Duchess of Sussex, which will still appeal to some hangers-on. It's too late to stop that.
FrenchieLiv said…
I'm 100% with you @JocelynsBellinis
Nutty, polo is played all over the world. My father's law partner here in the US had a string of polo ponies and traveled the world to play. Yes, Vancouver, and Toronto would have polo players, events and private clubs.
Sandie said…
I don't understand why there are so many people angry with the Queen and Prince Charles (even saying the Queen must step down now). I also don't understand why people are saying they got everything they wanted.

First, what was the Queen supposed to do? Immediately strip them of titles and everything else and banish them? Punish them and be vindictive?

Second, we do not know what the final arrangements are going to be and are still discovering just how complex it is (e.g. can Harry get a visa to live in Canada part time, and if so, for how long?).

Thirdly, as the conversation is revealing here, far from being rewarded, Harry is in real trouble. It is not a bad thing to grow up and become independent, but he is not going to be able to afford the staff, protection, advisers on top of living and travel expenses and a hundred other things. Indications are that they are not going to get the financial and logistic support they declared as their right in their manifesto (maybe for a transition period, but not long term). Megsy is wafting in la la land dreaming of being a billionaire, but if/when that does not happen, she is a hustler and will survive whereas he comes from and has only known pampered privilege.

This is far from over. If anyone remembers the War of the Wales, this is going to be the sequel. (Although, Megsy will insist on writing her book herself and it will be so full of word salad that it will be a nightmare trying to sell it. People will buy it out of curiosity, give up trying to read it, wait for summaries in the media, and then ditch it at the nearest second-hand bookstore.)

I feel sympathy for Harry's family. They must be consumed with worry about him (and extremely worried if they have realised that he is under the control of a wife who has NPD and is out of control).
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Magatha Mistie said…
@Nutty. It’s the Regency Act. Heavens forbid anything happening to William (after Charles) and George was unable to take the throne until he came of age, Kate could take over as legal guardian, if not the Regent, Harry, would take over until George turned 18, yikes!!!
Portcitygirl said…
Has anyone read in dm that she kept her power team from before her marriage and moved them to Delaware before Mexit?
And that Elton John knew their plans before HM? Maybe Harry knew this all along and planned it with her from the beginning. He sold his whole family for fame and riches under the false narrative of British racism. How sad.
@Portcitygirl, Delaware is a known state for setting up corporations. Their tax laws allow many things that other states do not, so many wealthy people will set up their corporate entities in Delaware:
Image result for delaware as a tax havenwww.nytimes.com
Delaware doesn't tax “intangible assets,” and this encourages companies to move parts of their business to Delaware to avoid taxes in other states. This has led to Delaware being labeled a “tax haven.” ... Then its other locations outside of Delaware pay money to the subsidiary in order to use that trademark.Oct 5, 2016
Ava C said…
@Starry - But what about Phillip???

The DM is reporting that he left before Harry arrived. HUGE message. And silent.

Think about it - Harry hasn't seen Philip in at least a couple of months, and the man is on his deathbed.


I didn't think of this aspect. Hugely important in terms of Harry himself. Until your comment I was thinking none of the angst with his family has touched him. However I've always read it was PP more than anyone else who spent time with the boys after Diana's death, and how comforting his presence was when they had to walk behind their mother's coffin (the Windsors being forced into that by Charles Spencer). PP's departure mudt have been a huge blow, both actual and symbolic. I know I sound cruel, but Harry deserved it. I'm deeply sorry for his grandparents.
It says in the DM that Meghan was barred from the conference because of the fear of evesdropping, that I can believe. You can have a secure conference call in a ‘secure’ building, but not in a borrowed strangers house. My guess is Meghan would have had company listening in; a massive no-no.
I'm fairly certain that MM would not be allowed to be on a conference call. First, it is not secure. Second, she could record it. Third, she could have witnesses as to what was said. In an affair of state of this magnitude, I'm sure that the room was swept of bugs and was on lock down. Lawyers do this often when dealing with major issues for important clients, so I'm sure the RF would do the same. They may have allowed her to call in on another line at the end, but who would want to talk to her? Only Harry, and they certainly wouldn't want that. Besides, the only people allowed in the room were HMTQ, the direct heirs and their counsel. Spouses were not invited.
lizzie said…
@Nutty wrote
The name escapes me right now, but wasn't Harry part of a four-person council that was at the top of the monarchy? Liz, Charles, William, and Harry? 

Ate you talking about counselors of state from the Regency Act? They can act for the monarch, preside over Privy Council, etc. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counsellor_of_State

Current counselors are Philip, Charles, William, Harry and Andrew.

It's the first four people in the line of succession over 21 except Philip is included due to a modification in law in 1952. (This was to avoid having Margaret...long story.)

Anyway, someone asked if Kate would be eligible. No. I think the Act is written specifically for Philip. Parliament could pass a new law for Kate I guess but I doubt that would happen for this matter. (Would be different if George becomes king as a minor) Bea will eventually be appointed. And without a new law Charles can't stop that.

Not sure what happens to Harry. Law requires counselors to live in the UK. Guess this is a. "detail" to work out.
@Jocelyn, ‘I'm fairly certain that MM would not be allowed to be on a conference call.’

Anything government or state related has very strict guidelines regarding communication, and I’m speaking from experience. There is no way that Meghan’s input would have been allowed because of where she was. It ‘might’ have been authorised is she was at a British Embassy, but we know that didn’t happen.
One for British viewers: 2 TV snippets last evening-

Channel 4: Catching a Killer: a Diary from the Grave - to be repeated tonight Ch 4 11pm GMT.
A chilling account of police investigation of 2 murders carried out by a charming but cold-blooded psychopath with MO strikingly similar to `the story so far', in terms of seduction by a narcissist of vulnerable targets with attractive assets. Despite the idyllic village setting, just outside Buckingham, this was for real, not Midsomer Murders.

Lighter note from BBC Red Button - an opportunity for MM:
a Japanese billionaire businessman in his 40s (fashion mogul, no less) seeks a `special woman' as a life partner and to share a trip around the Moon with him on the next flight possible. No kidding!
@Raspberry, I'm speaking from experience, too, and I agree with you. I doubt that she would be allowed even a call from a British embassy. That's taking a risk that I doubt the RF would take. Embassies a notorious for being bugged.
PaisleyGirl said…
@Jocelyn, I was thinking about Meg's merching empire you sketched above. "from hotels to baby clothes to furniture and home goods. She's looking for an empire, and she's seen the power of the SoHo House."
I can see that would be her ultimate goal, but for such an empire she would need considerable funds, much more than Charles'one-time payout or yearly funds from the Duchy. Who is going to pay for this empire? Do you all think she can attract investors to fund this empire, as all H&M will have to offer in return are two devalued or non-existent titles and not much else?
By the way, the Goop vag scented candles apparently sold out within an hour. Perhaps Meghan should start her merching empire on a similar theme...
Liver Bird said…
@Nutty

"The name escapes me right now, but wasn't Harry part of a four-person council that was at the top of the monarchy? Liz, Charles, William, and Harry?

If he's de-royalling, he would presumably be jettisoned from that council too. His most obvious replacement would be Prince Andrew, who would at least have the knowledge to do the job (and probably did do it, before Wills and Harry were of age.)"

I think you're referring to the Counsellers of State?

There are currently 5 of them - Harry, William, Charles, Andrew and Philip.
@Jocelyn, ‘That's taking a risk that I doubt the RF would take. Embassies a notorious for being bugged.’

I concur, too risky by half. ;o)
PaisleyGirl said…
Also, I was thinking about all the posters above who mentioned this was not going to end well for Harry, an assessment I agree with. However, I think this is not going to end well for Meghan either. For us as "normal people" it is impossible to comprehend lying on such a grand scale ALL THE TIME. Even lying to the Queen of the UK! I would be under terrible stress if I lied to the Queen. Sweat stains would be the least of my problems. Can you imagine lying to everyone you know all the time? Having to remember which lies you told to which person, having to fake everything you do, having to hustle for every dollar from a young age? It must be so exhausting to live that way. Surely there must come a breaking point where you can no longer keep up the facade and your life starts falling apart? I think we might be seeing the beginning of that happening.
Liver Bird said…
I note that HM's statement referred to Canada not 'North America' as per the Harkles' website.

I doubt Meghan has long-term plans to stay in Canada. Yes, she has 'friends' there but we all know people mean nothing to her except as a stepping-stone to greater things. I can't see her being happy in Vancouver or Toronto. She's been there and done that. I think Canada is in the mix because it's a Commonwealth country and Meghan can spin it as having 'deep links' there. But it's all about America and all about Los Angeles for her. The plan is certainly to move there sooner or later, and knowing how she does things, it will be sooner.
on Yahoo homepage now:

Yahoo Style UK
Gwyneth Paltrow's selling a £57 candle that 'smells like my vagina'
Jdubya said…
I'm basically taking a break for several days because i feel like i am on overload with all this RF stuff. However................ 2 things i saw on FB today that I have to share. Can't share pics so i'll describe

Photo of "Prince" with Harry's head photoshoped on it
top of pic - "The Artist Formerly known as Prince"
bottom of pic - "Purple Reign"

Next was 2 photo's - on left was Yoko Ono and on the right was Megsy
Captain under each - "I broke up the Beatles"........ "hold my beer".

(the hold my beer is an American joke that i don't know if others will understand :) )
@Paisley girl, ‘, I was thinking about Meg's merching empire you sketched above. "from hotels to baby clothes to furniture and home goods. She's looking for an empire.’

I don’t think she’ll be ‘merching’ much at all, from what I’m reading/hearing it pretty much will be slim pickings if very strict rules are laid out by the Palace.
JLC said…
@WBBM

I couldn't believe it, so I had to check. It has sold out!!! Gives a whole new meaning to candle in the wind now.
Here's a link to a review of the Ch 4 film
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/peter-farquhar-death-killer-ben-204951421.html
@Paisley, If she she has a plan to try to start up a Soho House-type venture, it could start small. She needs to just start with one, and that would be doable on Harry's money. OR Knowing MM and how she uses people and ideas, she will use SoHo House to furnish the first one, like she did Frogmore. My guess is that she and Harry did not pay for any of the furnishings for Frogmore. I think she told the Soho House people that by Harry and her using their furnishings, SHH would make money from the great PR. Who knew of SoHo House before MM? She made it a household name. In other words, she is going to say one thing to SHH, and do another. She'll use them, then drop them when she can go on her own. That's her MO.
Whether its successful, is an entirely different thing. MM always has big plans, but who knows if any of it will come to fruition. Her track record is not that great when you consider what she's tried so far, but I think she will try, as she feels she is now a world-wide, well-known person whom people will flock to. After all, she still has $30 million of Harry's money to blow through, and I doubt Harry is financially astute enough to not touch the principal. What Meghan wants, Meghan gets.
Kezza said…
I hope she does a salad dressing.. you know, for tossing ones salad.
On a serious note, my heart aches for William.
Nutty Flavor said…

Tin foil hat theory: Theoretically, not just $$$ could be in her diplomatic bags, but thumb drives, documents, mobile phones, laptop. She could be the go-between person to launder information between parties that otherwise that cannot meet face to face due to possible ongoing investigations... naturally she'd do this after said parties have made generous contributions to her Sussex Foundation.


The problem is - could anybody trust her? That's the sort of work that requires a great deal of trust, and Meg is hardly trustworthy. She'd probably give the thumb drive to your greatest rival, or whomever offered her a bigger paycheck.
Nutty Flavor said…
On a serious note, my heart aches for William.

I wonder how William is explaining things to George, who is old enough (and reportedly intuitive enough) to know that something is wrong.
@Raspberry, Harry and Meghan's SUCCESS House? lol.
Nutty Flavor said…
"The name escapes me right now, but wasn't Harry part of a four-person council that was at the top of the monarchy? Liz, Charles, William, and Harry?

If he's de-royalling, he would presumably be jettisoned from that council too. His most obvious replacement would be Prince Andrew, who would at least have the knowledge to do the job (and probably did do it, before Wills and Harry were of age.)"

I think you're referring to the Counsellers of State?

There are currently 5 of them - Harry, William, Charles, Andrew and Philip.


Interesting. Of that group, one is leaving the Royal Family, one will be leaving the Earth in short order, one is in disgrace, and one is due for a promotion (Charles). Sounds like some job opportunities are coming up.

Anne and Edward would fit nicely into the group, which doesn't seem to be limited to the order of succession, since Philip is there. But other than that, who is there?

They really need to bring the York girls in as full-time Royals, the sooner the better. I know they're not exactly mental giants, but they can't be any dumber than Harry.



Here's what the group does, according to Wikipedia:

"The Counsellors of State are senior members of the British royal family to whom the monarch, currently Elizabeth II, delegates certain state functions and powers when not in the United Kingdom or unavailable for other reasons (such as short-term incapacity or sickness). Any two Counsellors of State may preside over Privy Council meetings, sign state documents, or receive the credentials of new ambassadors to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland."
lizzie said…
@Nutty,

Counselors of state are limited to order of succession. BUT the 1952 Act added Philip because of concerns about Margaret. I don't think that means just anyone can be added without an act of Parliament. The 1952 alteration named Philip I believe, not just anyone. But yes, you are correct about the Yorks. Unless the sisters leave the UK, they will serve when Philip is gone and Charles is king (if not sooner.)
How does Will explain this to George?

Will : George, remember uncle Harry? The one who always stole your Christmas presents? Well he's lost marbles again, son. Papa has to go lock him in the dungeon now. Don't tell anyone, but the keys are under the mattress.
Nutty Flavor said…
Thanks @Lizzie.

@Alice, they'd better keep Charlotte away from the now-deposed Sussexes. She'd give them a piece of her mind. (And maybe already did, before the wedding.)
Maggie said…
If MM dialled in on the meeting she'd be selling a range of Windsor ringtones.

I suspect Harry's outlook is very poor; she needs him weak and insecure so certainly won't address his mental health or help his with his substance abuse. If he doesn't get out she'll end up a royal widow within 5 years.
PaisleyGirl said…
@Nutty, and don't underestimate Boss Baby. His side eye is lethal.
Nutty Flavor said…
A thought about Bea joining the Royal Council - that would presumably make her a Senior Royal.

Doesn't a Senior Royal deserve a nice wedding?

Maybe delay the elevation ("transition") until after June, or at least until Bea announces the date of her small, private, non-televised wedding.

That's if Edo doesn't do a runner. I assume Dara Huang won't "accidentally" turn up pregnant again, since she's an ambitious woman who seems to enjoy the Royal connection very much.
Liver Bird said…
"A thought about Bea joining the Royal Council - that would presumably make her a Senior Royal."

I doubt it because she's female. She's also every bit as vacuous as her parents - apparently she encouraged Andrew to do the disastrous BBC interview - not that that matters among the royals.

"Doesn't a Senior Royal deserve a nice wedding?"

I'm sure she'll have a nice wedding - though not sure why she 'deserves' it more than the average woman in the street - but both BBC and ITV have said they won't be screening it.

"I assume Dara Huang won't "accidentally" turn up pregnant again, since she's an ambitious woman who seems to enjoy the Royal connection very much."

Kind of like Edo then. And if you don't want a woman to 'accidentally' get pregnant, maybe it's a good idea not to have unprotected sex with her. Women don't get pregnant on their own.
Nutty Flavor said…
I guess it depends on the definition of "Senior Royal."

If Harry and Archie get taken out of the line of succession, Bea's up to seventh in line - right after Andrew, whose position is also tenuous. Sixth or fifth after Charles takes the throne. Seems like someone that could represent the Queen as a Counselor of State should be classified as a "Senior Royal".

"Deserves a nice wedding" was said with irony, or in Andrew's tone of voice - you choose.
Liver Bird said…
There is no question of Harry and Archie being taken out of the line of succession.

Even if he loses the HRH he's still a born prince.Even those royals who have never held titles - such as Zara Tindall - are still in the line of succession, albeit distantly.
Ozmanda said…
Conference calls - if calls are made via a secure phone this means the conversation passes through encryption to mitigate the risk. In saying that I wouldn’t even bother. There are laser microphones on sale for cheap through eBay. Depending on the strength you can sit a fair distance from the window of the room the call was in and intercept the conversation of those in the room. Laser microphones are also unable to be Detected
Nutty Flavor said…
@Ozmanda - that's interesting about the laser microphones. I've never heard that.

Meg isn't trustworthy. I don't blame them for excluding her. I also think they made a big deal about Kate being elsewhere, so it would be clear that Meg wasn't the only one excluded.
Ozmanda said…
@Nutty - I also feel for William. It must feel like he has lost another family member and they had such a strong bond
JLC said…
I wonder if Meg actually knew she wasn't going to be part of negotiations well in advance, or if they deliberately offered that reason at the last minute.
Ozmanda said…
@Nutty - i after - there is no way I would allow MM on the call - almost guaranteed she would record it. Another thing to note is if the call was on a secure phone (security rated fairly high) she wouldn’t be cleared too hear the convo - Also the place she would be at would likely not be a secure building so that makes it not possible.
@Ozmanda, ‘Conference calls - if calls are made via a secure phone this means the conversation passes through encryption to mitigate the risk.’

I’m well aware of encryption etc, a borrowed house is not a secure location and it’s the location that’s being referred to and evesdropping. Meghan could’ve had a ‘friend’ sitting next to her..that’s what the royals didn’t want.
Nutty Flavor said…
@Liver Bird

There is no question of Harry and Archie being taken out of the line of succession.
Even if he loses the HRH he's still a born prince.Even those royals who have never held titles - such as Zara Tindall - are still in the line of succession, albeit distantly.


Point taken. But he still can't be a "senior royal" while he's living in a beach house in Malibu.

If they need an additional senior royal who lives in the UK and isn't facing international opprobrium for sexual misbehavior, Bea's the ticket.
Kezza said…
Richard Palmers latest tweet.. the Sussexes decided it wasn’t necessary to join in .. she must be on crack if she thinks anyone is going to believe that.
Liver Bird said…
No way in hell Meghan was in on the 'conference' yesterday.

And the 'time difference' excuse is so lame! Weren't we told that she was so hard-working that she emailed her staff at 5AM and had 4 AM starts for filming 'Suits'? But she can't be bothered to get out of bed for a meeting that will decide her own future!

Por favor!

The only way they'd have let her join in would be via the secure room of a British embassy. Probably not even that. Yesterday I was wondering why the exact time and place of this 'summit' had been leaked to the press. The royals don't normally let the public in on the timings of their family meetings. Now I wonder if it's because they wanted to say 'Oh we postponed our meeting until 2 so that Meghan could phone in from Vancouver' without actually saying that. More of their 'We tried! We really tried!" strategy?
xxxxx said…
After all, she still has $30 million of Harry's money to blow through, and I doubt Harry is financially astute enough to not touch the principal. What Meghan wants, Meghan gets.

About all his millions in inheritances, I highly doubt he has ever touched it. H is smart about this at least. He has always lived on Charles-Cornwall Cash. I doubt he will touch his inherited millions for Megs harebrained merching schemes.

Basically Harry has lived his entire life for free, never paying a dime.
lizzie said…
Camilla wasn't there either. And neither was Philip. No married-in spouses were. I suspect Philip's health wouldn't have permitted it (as well as his probable visible distress over Harry's idiocy and the fact his presence could have made the Queen look "weak.")

But Philip IS a Counselor of State so there *might* have been a constitutional justification for his presence. The other spouses (including M) not so much. While TQ's statement was "family-oriented" this wasn't merely a family meeting.
Another smile needed? Try Matt from the Telegraph om p 12 of this yahoo news item:

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/queen-harry-meghan-front-pages-royal-split-075401476.html
Ròn said…
My ideal scenario- they leave with no titles, no Royal duties and no taxpayers money (Charles can give them as much as he likes) and go live ... anywhere, make their millions selling polo pony scented candles. If they're no longer Royal then they can't bring the BRF into disrepute, which is the main issue for me. Trouble is we won't be able to forget about them - every newspaper article about Wills is forever going to start "Prince William, whose brother Harry famously quit the RF in 2020, today visited a homeless shelter....
Fairy Crocodile said…
Nutty
You are astute and yo nailed it again with empty schedule and empty life for Harry. Unless he carves a role for himself quick he is out in a deep without support. Marriage was less than 2 years ago and he is already lost. I see trouble for him. That is why it is unlikely royals cut him off completely, they will leave a door half open for him to crawl back.

I also think Palace officials and senior courtiers did play a role in ostracizing Meghan. There is no denying Palace has always had lots of undercurrents, struggles and intrigues. Some could take exception with Harry's choice of the bride. But the vast majority probably turned against her after watching her rudeness and disregard to protocol.

We read most of juicy stories like the tiaragate and Kate reduced to tears thanks to people who know how and when to leak to the press. So yes, I think there had been animosity towards her, but I am not surprised about it.
xxxxx said…
As others have speculated, I believe Megs has been keeping a daily log (diary) to use against the BRF for blackmail. For such a manipulator and schemer, this is common sense. Second nature.

The BRF has wised up enough to keep Gruesome from phoning in to yesterday's pow wow.
Liver Bird said…
"My ideal scenario- they leave with no titles, no Royal duties and no taxpayers money (Charles can give them as much as he likes) and go live ... anywhere, make their millions selling polo pony scented candles."

I agree. If they are private citizens they can do what they like.

"If they're no longer Royal then they can't bring the BRF into disrepute, which is the main issue for me."

I suspect it's the main issue for the royals too. A few million quid here or there is nothing to them. But using a royal title for personal gain? That's not only tacky, it's against the fundamental principles of public office.

"Trouble is we won't be able to forget about them - every newspaper article about Wills is forever going to start "Prince William, whose brother Harry famously quit the RF in 2020, today visited a homeless shelter...."

I don't think so. Think 10 or 15 years down the line from now. Harry and Meghan will be middle aged and probably long divorced. Meanwhile, the Cambridge kids will be growing into young adults and all the focus will be on them. It'll be ''Harry who?"
It's always surprising to me how Meg fixates in the most insignificant details and that does her in. Has she said now that the couple decided she won't need to join the meeting? Lol. After she left him there alone? After she released it via Scoby that she would join in via WhatsApp of all things! She tried to be a part of the narrative by purposely releasing that she made them change the meeting time. Makes me pretty certain that she wasn't asked to join, not encouraged and probably Harry was asked to switch his phone off during the meeting.

She does this all the time. She did this post-documentary when the article was released that William was concerned about Harry's frahile mental health. She probably Did get triggered by the heirs photo being released for New year's. She stalled and followed H to polo because she thought the rest of the kids would be there and she wanted to show off Archie. Can't think of more, I'm sure there are more.
PaisleyGirl said…
On another note, has anyone seen the photos of William this morning (front page of the Daily Mail)? Quite apart from the fact that he looks terrible (very tired and pale) he seems to have some kind of wound on his forehead and a smaller one on his nose. Punch-up with Harry at Sandringham perhaps? Stumbled over a corgi in the hallway? Or is this just mud on the windshield which gives this impression?
Who in the world is going to buy anything with the Duke / Duchess Suxxes brand? Is there really any value in there? I certainly can't imagine anyone in the US buying a coffee cup or box of tampons with their damn logo on it.
@PaisleyGirl , Re- Williams recent photos.

I think it's shadows from the windshield being reflected in his face. Rain maybe? 2 days back Kate was also photographed driving into KP, raindrops reflecting off the windshield cast shodows on her face and some people photoshopped those to look like bruises and dark circles.
It does look like there might have been fisticuffs yesterday. Maybe Chas had to step in to break it up and the meeting ended earlier than planned.

It would be better if the Sussex titles were removed so they can only merch away with Dumbarton and Kilkeel titles at their disposal. Imagine there would be even fewer takers for those branded goods, Sunshiny.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@AVery SunshinyDay
I don't know if you saw real royal souvenirs sold at royal palaces. They are expensive but tend to be of really high quality. Things I bought were excellent.

you are right, I suspect Sussexes will need to sell theirs cheap for big turn but still at premium for the logo. There probably be some who will buy once, but returning customers less so. Competition on the market for their stuff is huge and who will want to pay extra for cheap Chinese pens and T-shirts
Nutty Flavor said…
I really don't understand how producing all these unnecessary goods fits with the Sussex "commitment to environmentalism."

Sure, let's use water, electricity and other resources to produce T-shirts and pens and socks, then ship them thousands of miles across the oceans, to help fund our charity to address climate change.

It makes no sense.
Nutty Flavor said…
Some random lawyer copyrighted @SussexRoyal in the USA.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7885255/Intellectual-property-lawyer-trademarks-Sussex-Royal-brand-America.html
Nutty. Another of their ill-conceived plans. Nothing ever makes sense. I feel that people are starting to reject rampant consumerism and materialism in favour of make do and mend, so that backdrop is not the most auspicious start to their new commercial ventures.
Fairy Crocodile said…
He copyrighted communications by computer terminals, transmission and delivery of video, and data via the internet and wireless networks'., but the article states HazMeg were ahead of him one week.

"However, Harry and Meghan's team will soon be teaching Fogelson a lesson - because they filed an application for 'Sussex Royal' with the World Intellectual Property Organization on December 31 - a full week before him".
Nutty Flavor said…
Fogelson can still cost them some time and some legal fees.

He says he just wanted to teach them a lesson and will give them the copyright for free. Sure.
@Nutty

This faffy brand of exo-warriora is right in brand for them. What have the proved to be serious about so far any way, apart from money and fame? I bet Harry can't spell environmentalism is one go! They are lucky they never have been on an unscripted, live show with audience qna. They would be skewered!

On second thoughts, I wish they would go on such a show. Maybe with someone like Anderson Cooper or Ronan Farrow or Barrack Obama for interviewer. That would make for a very entertaining watch.
Nutty Flavor said…
@Disgusted

Precisely. This is why I get so annoyed when people call Meg "whip-smart".

She's clueless, mostly because she won't take anyone's advice but her own. Her bad fashion is a metaphor for many things. She looked fine when she had a stylist, but once she began "taking control" it all went pear-shaped.
FrenchieLiv said…
As a service member, I think there were other possibilities to organize a secure conference call (and I am not thinking about a phone call at a diplomatic British post).
3 options:
1. The firm didn’t want her to attend the meeting because they don’t trust her or spouses weren’t invited (but the BRF didn’t want accusations of sexism);
2. She didn’t want to attend the meeting because she is a coward / or she thought it was useless because she got what she wants / or she knew it wasn’t a decision meeting.
3. Harry didn’t want her to attend the meeting fearing she would have a meltdown / or she would disrespect more HMQ.
Nutty Flavor said…
@Alice

Or "Sixty Minutes", because they won't let subjects blacklist questions in advance.

I'd love to see one of those super close-up shots on Meg when they ask her where Archificial really came from.

Close-up shot on Harry too, because he's a really bad liar.
@FrenchieLiv

To add a #4 ..
4. Being the Machiavellian puppet master that she is, she has made it all seem that all of this is Harry's idea and his decision to quit for his family's sake. So she won't actually ever be on the forefront taking the heat for this mess.
xxxxx said…
Percypen, Call me pp, Australia, 2 minutes ago
So the Anglo Saxon kingdom of Sussex that battled the Vikings and merged with Wessex to create England has been trademarked by an LA h.oe?

(DM comment)
(I am a fan of the Vikings TV show)
Scandi Sanskrit said…
Sussex-brand condoms with pre-punched holes in them
Ava C said…
I don't think it's photoshopping that made William and Kate look terrible on their respective school runs. Odd marks and rain on windscreen yes, but they still looked like they're going through the ringer. Of course they are. I feel so sorry for them.
Educational materials? This I must see!

Who will be writing what?

Hazza on aeronautics and Megs on vertebrate evolution? Or ghostwritten by the Disney team - Dumbo the Elephant and the Little Mermaid?
Poor ole Megs is upset that people are saying she was ‘left out, and ‘barred’ from the meeting..

Headline in the DM

‘Meghan says she was NOT barred from the Sandringham summit: Sussexes reveal they decided 'it wouldn't be necessary' for her to dial in from Vancouver to join Harry in royal showdown’.

I’m guessing we can look forward to this being a more regular thing from her. Dismissing everything and anything that demeans her and showing just how unimportant she is now.
none said…
Just scrolling through the pictures posted online from the meeting. There are some of everyone involved, even Prince Philip, but none of Harry.
@wild. What is this about educational materials? Apparently their Foundation has now got some sort of link with Strathclyde University.
Also weird that she is saying that she was not barred from the meeting. I thought she would claim she was to lend credence to the sexist and racist RF narrative. Once again, her mahoosive ego has got the better of her and undermined her version of events.
Fairy Crocodile said…
Sussex is a county in England dating back many centuries. If British were not fed up I suspect citizens of Sussex could file a case against them using the county's name for personal gain.
Kezza said…
@holly, yes I noticed that too. It just makes me wonder if this is all for show. Archie is not real, to save face let’s do this. Every single twist and turn is just... odd.
@Fairy,’Sussex is a county in England dating back many centuries. If British were not fed up I suspect citizens of Sussex could file a case against them using the county's name for personal gain.’

They’ve already lodged a petition (a short while back) to have their titles removed, I think this says it all.
Shazzam said…
If as has been reported,Mugsy dialed in at the end of the summit and Charles left a half hour early, he really must be incandescent with rage!
IEschew said…
Another work day—how dare the world make me earn my own living!—but first a couple notes:

In the MM vs Kim Kardashian battle, Kim wins, hands down. I never much respected Kim and totally do not get Kanye, BUT Kim has been doing really good work on criminal justice reform in the USA. Actual, substantive work that has freed wrongly accused and imprisoned people, and she's even cooperated with the current POTUS and kept herself apolitical through it all. (Yes, I am aware her husband likes the current POTUS.) She even studied for law entrance exams to pursue this endeavor; no idea how she did or if she is in at any law schools. So for all Kim’s vanity, there is no comparison. MM is not even on the chart.

In the MM vs Goop lifestyle blog and product battle: Gwyneth and many other regional lifestyle bloggers have actual style (I dislike Gwyneth, but she could wear Meghan’s olive tent dress with flair). Meghan does not. Meghan chases trends where they usually are trendsetters. And her pal dresses like style satire so good luck with that, Meg. (On the vag candle’s selling out: She didn’t tell us how many were made. Easy to sell out if you’ve only made a handful—there is a bad joke in that sentence but I am sparing you all.

Anyway, Meggie will burn out sooner or later and I don’t care. I don’t think she can fool many people anymore, and that’s my main issue with faux-woke people like her.

Harry is the worry, and I think he always has been. What more can the RF do for him? It’s clear now that the Queen is publicly handling this as a family and not the BRF (lessons learned). I think they have thrown their hands in the air but kept loving hearts. It’s all a real family can do for a 38-year-old teenager, right? (My other theory, as you all know, is that annulment/divorce wheels already are in motion - it continues to be my hope.)

Happy work day, fellow plebs.
@Shazzam

Who's to say that Charles didn't leave half an hour early BECAUSE she joined in towards the end?! 🤣🤣🤣
Nutty Flavor said…
Charles shouldn't be leaving at all!

He's supposed to be the man in charge - the regent taking the heavy load off his 93-year-old mother.

He's not supposed to act like a 71-year-old teenager and storm out.

Marie said…
I don't think they'll do pens, bags, and plates. I rather think they'll do "collaborations" with existing brands and entities, like another fashion range for charity, and tack on their name, until they can produce some glossy, warm, and huggy miniseries on Netflix or AppleTV about a "theme". Like "Compassion", and then do a series of portraits and interviews mixed with high-profile people and "average" people in acts of compassion. Or "Community", and the same idea.

It'll be like some sort of pseudo-cult, with Meghan and Harry as producer, star, editor, and nominating themselves for Nobel Prizes and Palmes d'Ors.

The quick statement "Meghan was not barred from the call [because the Queen perhaps wanted only actual family members]. Meghan CHOSE to be in Canada [like a coward]" was so typical of her. It was like the whole tiara incident as well where she also mentioned in the documentary how she went out of her way to say she chose the tiara. Also, why do their spokespeople also shift between BP and KP? Thought they had been moved to BP?
Marie said…
Also can't wait for the first photos of Meghan out and about again, wearing her I-was-attacked-by-a-bear-and-survived jeans. That might have been part of her mental anguish, that she was restricted on the type of jeans she could wear and thus restricted on broadcasting to the world how cool/laidback she is, and had anxiety attacks about losing her personal identity.
IEschew said…
@Nutty: Pretty telling if you were typing “71-year-old teenager” about the father at the same moment I was typing “38-year-old teenager” about the son.
Shazzam said…
Sussex Pyrex or Le Crueset Sussex for acollaberation. This combo comes complete with the video tutorial on how to stuff and roast your chook.
xxxxx said…
Sussex Royal sounds classy on food products. For the USA how about Sussex Royal TV dinners, Cheetos, potato chips, hams, organic items, like Sussex Royal crunchy organic peanut butter. Royal Sussex almond milk. And of course the biggy, Sussex Royal baby clothing.
Nutty Flavor said…
A commenter a while back - cannot remember whom - made the excellent point that if Meghan and Harry had taken the Herefordshire estate Charles had set aside for them, they would have had multiple products to sell, and maybe even original and high-end products.

Organic rosemary and other spices for Meghan's favorite roast chicken? Perfumes made from English roses (there's that Diana reference)? Cozy sweaters from the estate's sheep?

The possibilities would have been impressive. They might have actually produced something people would enjoy buying and using.
Miggy said…
Nutties: Thoughts on this please...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0g07Q9lEvk
I wonder if Harry will see William’s children before he returns to Canada? Harry’s decision will have a significant effect of the future of his niece and nephews. William had the opportunity for freedom and to pursue his personal interests in his early adulthood. His Aunt and Uncles were working royals, alleviating the need for William to become a full time working royal immediately upon university graduation. George probably won’t have that freedom, as his only Uncle won’t be there to support him or his father.
Fairy Crocodile said…
Nutty
I warmed up to Charles a while ago and want to put my two pennies speaking in his favor.
The royal meeting was an emergency one because they hadn't expected the Dumbarton's idiotic move.

May be Charles simply had to be elsewhere.
*I can think of a few tawdry marketing taglines/angles for the Sussex's:

"...Sussex, a brand Royalty can't even buy"

"...from Meghan a woman who brought the Queen to her knees" (or conversely, brought a Prince to his knees"

"....from Harry who gave up all, for the sake of love"

"...from The Pair that overcame The Crown"

"...from the Duke the that did not need to be the heir"

Just a thought, but surely they will spin it that they are somehow exclusive and better than royalty. How will the Crown prevent them from a bold marketing strategy that doesn't use their titles?

@Nutty great point about the Herefordshire estate. They could have created a global brand with limitless options. This commercial enterprise could have provided unlimited income and would have been supported by the public if it focused on local employment and sustainable farming and sourcing. These two missed a tremendous opportunity to do good, make money, and build something for their child because Meghan can’t control her need for fame and adulation.
PaisleyGirl said…
@Midwesternantimeg, good point.
That's why I think Charles has no choice but to ask the York girls to help out. As several posters mentioned earlier and on other threads, there are not enough royals to go around, especially now the current generation is of retirement age and there is no one to take over Andrew's 200+ patronages.
Now Harry is out of the loop, there will be even more patronages to take over.
And once Charles becomes king, who will take over his 500 appointments a year? William will do a lot of them, but then they need someone to take over William's 200 appearances a year.
Hikari said…
The 21st century philosopher Adele knows firsthand about a toxic relationship, based on how many songs she's written about it. I imagine one of her greatest hits as a Post-Summit conversation via WhatsApp that Haz had with his ersatz wife after Granny handed him his a$$. I have truncated numerous repetitions to save the phone battery of those who are not Adele fans. Heard this morning as my radio was once again commentating on current events in GB.

ROLLING IN THE DEEP (A DUET)

M: There's a fire starting in my heart
Reaching a fever pitch and it's bringing me out the dark

H: Finally I can see you crystal clear

M: Go 'head and sell me out and I'll lay your shi(t) bare
See how I leave with every piece of you
Don't underestimate the things that I will do
There's a fire starting in my heart
Reaching a fever pitch and its bringing me out the dark

H: The scars of your love remind me of us
They keep me thinking that we almost had it all
The scars of your love they leave me breathless, I can't help feeling
We could have had it all

M: You're gonna wish you never had met me

Greek Chorus: Rolling in the deep (tears are gonna fall, rolling in the deep)

H: You had my heart inside of your hand
And you played it with a beating

M: Baby I have no story to be told
But I've heard one on you and I'm gonna make your head burn
Think of me in the depths of your despair
Making a home down there 'cause mine sure won't be shared

H: Throw your soul through every open door
Count (my) blessings to find what you look for
Turned my sorrow (about my mother's death and being born after William) into (Narco)
gold. You pay me back in kind and reap just what you sow
none said…
@Miggy I watched the video. Interesting. If true would appear that The Firm is in control and the Queen's statement was in fact for public consumption.
@Hikari

Lol and so apt. Adele is also MMs latest secret bff's so having her some be their relationship anthem is the greatest service Adele could do to Meghan-kind.

Speaking of Adele's songs, me thinks that Archie would be singing "someone like you" for Meghan while strolling alongside Victoria lake in a few years' time.
Miggy said…
@Holly,

Let's hope so. I don't know enough about business to comment, hence I posed the question to Nutties.
I also found it interesting that Doria has a new house! I wonder who paid for that and maybe that is why the paps were bugging her yesterday?
Nutty Flavor said…
Once Charles becomes king, who will take over his 500 appointments a year? William will do a lot of them, but then they need someone to take over William's 200 appearances a year.

At some point Lady Louise and Viscount Severn (or whatever title James holds at that point) might be able to take on some Royal work. Louise is 16, so she could technically take on some work within 5 years. Zara and Peter are also popular.

Alternately, they could cut back sharply on appearances, but those rainy Monday mornings visiting care homes is one of the mainstays of support for the monarchy.
Hikari said…
Midwestern asks:

"I wonder if Harry will see William’s children before he returns to Canada? Harry’s decision will have a significant effect of the future of his niece and nephews. William had the opportunity for freedom and to pursue his personal interests in his early adulthood. His Aunt and Uncles were working royals, alleviating the need for William to become a full time working royal immediately upon university graduation. George probably won’t have that freedom, as his only Uncle won’t be there to support him or his father."

I would put all my money on 'No way.' No to Haz saying goodbye to the children & no way to his giving two sh*ts right now about the ramifications of his selfishness on their futures. Particularly George, since William's firstborn is in line for all those privileges he feels so screwed over. Making William's children miserable will be Meg's final revenge through her Ginger Whinger.

The irony here, which Haz is too thick to reflect upon is . . let's say the boys were born in reverse order, and it was Harry who was to become Prince of Wales and then King in due course. He would have pulled another Uncle David, just like he's trying now. He's said with his own lips, and broadcast on global TV that he's not coping with the extremely light duties of being the 'spare' Earl of Dumbarton. The heaviness of his responsibilities and concern for the planet weigh so heavily on him he can barely get out of bed. Plus, royal engagements are dull as dishwater, uniforms are itchy and hot and Granny has way too many rules. He's Haz the Fun Dude, and he's not down with any of that boring adulting crap.

This is the boy who would be King?? Sure, he envies William's fine house and it eats him alive to see the respect his brother gets everywhere. Foreign dignitaries esteem him. He gets standing ovations at the Royal Albert Hall. Haz gets booed at the Royal Albert Hall, and foreign dignitaries make his wife walk on the concrete at the airport, alongside the red carpet. But if he'd only been born before William, none of this would be happening!

William, the future King, spends large chunks of his day visiting sick children in hospitals and deputizing for his Granny handing out investitures in full dress uniform. He'd love to put on some ratty comfortable pants and get loaded, maybe dial up some Hollywood friends and have a game of beach volleyball. He can't. The mantle of his privilege is heavy, and he can never take it off, no more than his grandmother could.

Haz just doesn't get it. William's life, to him, to use one of his Woko's fave words is "Magic". You don't 'earn' magic . . it just settles on you like fairy dust. To Harry, every day is a thwarted Christmas watching William get all the presents. I don't know how character is formed, but Harry apparently was skivving off when it was passed out because he doesn't have any.
Miggy said…
That should say 'hence why'...
lizzie said…
@Fairy Crocodile

wrote about Charles leaving the meeting and said "May be Charles simply had to be elsewhere" and also noted the meeting was an emergency one.

That's true. Charles also had another emergency engagement over the weekend, jetting to Oman for the Sultan's funeral (or at least the first day of it.)

We also don't know what sort of plan there was between TQ, PW, and PC about M calling in (if, in fact, she did call in.) Maybe it was always planned Charles would leave before that happened. I can see the value in that, frankly. Why should all 3 or them been held hostage by her call? TQ couldn't leave as the meeting would presumably stop, PW leaving...well, he doesn't hold purse strings now... I can see value in PC leaving.
Fairy Crocodile said…
Amazon sells "Happy Megxit" stuff already. I will buy myself a key ring!
KayeC said…
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IEschew said…
@Miggy, RE: I also found it interesting that Doria has a new house! I wonder who paid for that and maybe that is why the paps were bugging her yesterday?

Same! Could the sudden pap bugging and new house be a clue about the source of her protection and the actual Megxit negotiations/actions having taken place pre-Summit? She was able to enjoy a fairly strife-free existence in a part of the US that is riddled with paparazzi. Has that protection been yanked, and what sort of new house is it (I presume a nice one, with a gate and privacy walls)? Charles seemed awfully kind to Doria.
KayeC said…
@Raspberry Ruffle, that is interesting spin by MM, saying it wasn't necessary for her to be on conference call. Even though she probably doesn't mean to, it makes her look unimportant in the scheme of things.

@Sandie, I agree about the comments, most saying they are done with the royals and that they gave them everything they wanted. It doesn't appear that way to me, but I think the headlines were very misleading. Hopefully when the final "deals" are revealed, these peoples' confidence in HM and the RF will be restored.....not sure PH can ever recover.
Hikari said…
Alice gets the virtual Starbucks of the Day for this:

"How does Will explain this to George?

Will : George, remember uncle Harry? The one who always stole your Christmas presents? Well he's lost marbles again, son. Papa has to go lock him in the dungeon now. Don't tell anyone, but the keys are under the mattress."

********

Ha, you compared Harry's attitude to being jealous over 'unfair' distribution of Christmas presents, just like I did.

The public, until around three years ago, only know Harry as the jolly, laughing Hazza, everybody's favorite Ginger royal. He loved life, life was a laugh. So we thought. The interior of Harry was something else. Even before Meg came along, I think in private Uncle Harry could be a right royal tool.

As much as we hate to see what Meg has done to him, the fact is that she only exploited the inner rage and envy that was already in there. In the run up to the wedding, I swallowed all the guff about California organic yoga girl Megs inspiring Harry to give up drinking and embrace healthier habits. More guff from her PR machine, but even if it had been true, Haz's legendary exploits in drinking had already gotten him banned from spending time around Wills' kids. A drunken Haz was probably frightening to the kids, which would have just been George and Charlotte at that point, barely more than toddlers.

The brothers already had some issues going on between them when Meghan came along . . or rather, when Harry presented her to his family as his intended. Meg didn't light the initial spark of discord . . she merely lobbed petrol on it til it was a conflagration.
Miggy said…
@IEschew,

I've watched so many videos over the last few days, I can't even recall where it was that I saw the one of the paps bugging her. Was it on here?

I find the timing of her 'house move' very strange - coincidental even?

She's always come across as fairly placid, (from what we were allowed to see of her) but she appeared to be spitting feathers when the paps showed up. Something sure as hell has rattled her cage!

The Cat's Meow said…
New spin: MM "bowed out" (how magnanimous of her LOL)

https://pagesix.com/2020/01/14/meghan-markle-chose-not-to-join-megxit-summit-palace-says/?_ga=2.59553129.517365611.1578933892-1101920720.1534121351

Yes, if only she had been sincere....she could have had her own "Sussex House" at that estate in Herefordshire and made amazing products that I would even want! (Except the vag candle -- no.)

Finally, yes I respect Kim K more. At least she is honest about who she is!!
Celt News - well spotted.

I'm sure Doria's hands are less than clean in all of this. I wonder if the local rozzers will start taking an interest in her again? Assuming, of course, that the docs that have been uncovered on another site are legit -
makescakes said…
I LOVE the fact that years ago, Harry gave Diana's engagement ring to William, for Catherine. Imagine how steamed Megs is about that! I think she has hated Kate from the first, when she realized there would be no gaming of William and Kate.
Miggy said…
Lovely to see William back at work with a smile on his face.
IEschew said…
All: Apologies if this nugget was already shared. I scanned and didn’t see it, but I might’ve missed it accidentally.

How excellent:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7885255/Intellectual-property-lawyer-trademarks-Sussex-Royal-brand-America.html

Details, Megsy, details. He doesn’t even want any money to reverse your oversight and let you trademark the brand in the USA. He just wants to make you aware of the need to tend to details. What a gent.
Hikari said…
@Anonymous

Love the marketing taglines. I would make one suggestion for an edit:

"...from Meghan a woman who brought the Queen to her knees" (or conversely, brought a Prince to his knees"


I think, "from Meghan, an empowered woman who bought a Prince on her knees."

Maybe better?
Miggy said…
Canadian commentator says people in his country are 'ALREADY beginning to chafe' about Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's security costs - and Duke cajoling Disney boss is Crown's 'lowest point' since abdication.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7885421/Prince-Harry-cajoling-Disney-boss-hire-wife-Meghan-Markle-LOWEST-POINT-British-monarchy.html

Oh dear!!
Ròn said…
Wow ! We've seen some trashy headlines about theses two but the one the DM has about the memorial service appears to sum them up in one. Harry turning down a visit to a MEMORIAL service for the Royal Marines of which HE is the current Captain General . Not only does he turn it down, he turns it down to attend a FILM premiere. Not only does he attend a film premiere, he gets paid 3 million into his SHADY Foundation to do so. Not only does he get paid, but he also TOUTS his WIFE to the head of Disney for work. And there's a video of it. Well, there was....
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CookieShark said…
MM's need to fire back in the press today that "I wasn't banned from calling in, I DIDN'T NEED TO" is exactly why she is ill-equipped to be a member of the RF in the first place.

As are the comments attributed to her re: Trump. How spoiled and short-sighted as an American to say such a thing. Again, not suited for the RF. She would be a disaster at an official dinner, unable to stop pontificating about political matters.

But who is surprised? Consider how she treated her own father. Consider how she converted religion for Trevor, to whom she mailed her wedding rings. How in-depth was any of her charity work? Asking people to help her meet wealthy British men? The 2 to 3 year "stint" in the RF is par for the course for her.
Hikari said…
>>>I'm sure Doria's hands are less than clean in all of this. I wonder if the local rozzers will start taking an interest in her again?<<<<

I'm sure the rozzers are going to be sniffing out all of Meg's old, ghosted family and associates to get their commentary about the latest. Meg's actions have just stirred up the sh*t bucket of her past all over again, just when things were starting to settle on that front.

I always thought it was very, very strange that the papps weren't taking more pictures of Doria in L.A. We got a few shots of her walking her dogs, but they otherwise left her alone. With tabloid papps nearly as thick on the ground as homeless people, how did the mysterious mother of the American Duchess not get more attention? Not even all those times she was allegedly flying to Britain to be there for her first grandchild's birth and christening? People would have done a whole issue on Doria if they'd been able to. Something must have been preventing them.

I haven't seen any of the latest Celt vids about any 'documents' . . but there was speculation over the last year that Meg was funneling her merching proceeds into accounts in Doria's name to protect her ill-gotten gains 'offshore' and keep her fingerprints off them. The standard of living for a part-time volunteer yoga teacher of previously modest means has gotten a lot more upscale since her daughter married into the Royal family.

Whatever her involvement in Meghan's scams--whether active collusionist (one fellow grifter to another) or innocent patsy (being blackmailed by her Narco daughter into perhaps hiding Meg's money, scared of her same as Harry is)--I think she should now be legitimately afraid of being a target, not just for unflattering pictures but potentially dangerous people. But L.A. is bound to be the most Meghan-friendly place on the planet to be right now. But if there's anything shady with Doria's financials, she's gonna be under increased scrutiny now.
The Cat's Meow said…
Yes @Miggy and @Ron..

That video is finally getting the publicity it rightly deserves...even more so now that Twitter has "banned" it! It is everywhere.
Camper said…
I just watched some of the video of William carrying out investiture duties this afternoon. It just reminded me how great people can look in uniform, but also how let down the military are by Harry and how Harry has always liked to dress up in uniform. It might not rankle now, but in the coming months, or years, pictures of his brother, father, uncles and aunt in uniform could really break him and imagine also when the youngsters come of age. If he comes back to the U.K. will he only be allowed civilian dress? Even though I’m in the U.K. I haven’t seen that mentioned, or I’ve missed it?
PaisleyGirl said…
I find it odd that the mainstream press is taking absolutely forever to publicize matters such as the Lion King premiere video, the falling out at the polo match, Doria's finances etc. A lot of these "news" items are at least six months old. Why is that? Has someone instructed the press that the gloves are off?
DesignDoctor said…
A British commentator on the Today show (USA) is saying that MM and H "won." IDK his name because I walked in the room after he was introduced. :-/
lizzie said…
Given that Doria quit her full-time social work job around the time of the wedding, given that she's had a social work license and degree since only 2015, given that she inherited the older home from her father in 2011 (she had been living with him for at least a few years by then), given the price of real estate in LA, given that she's mostly been working as a part-time yoga instructor, given that she was bankrupt living in a rented apt with no assets less than 20 years ago, I think it's a pretty safe bet if she's traded up significantly in houses it wasn't paid for by her own earnings. That doesn't mean she used illegal money, of course. But she's got to have a "backer" "helper" as 63-year olds with part-time jobs don't get mortgages even in California.
The Cat's Meow said…
@PaisleyGirl

Regarding the "gloves being off" suddenly in the press: The British press tend to be very careful about what they report regarding the RF, since they want access. There are stricter laws in Britain (I am not in the UK) than in the US. I am guessing the mainstream press also want to keep access to the RF.

Now that the Harkles are no longer official Royals, I am guessing they are fair game.

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