According to a settlement with the British Royal Family, Harry and Meghan will no longer use their HRH titles and will repay 2.4 million pounds of public cash spent on Frogmore Cottage. They will no longer formally represent the Queen, and receive no more public money in return for Royal duties.
The Queen's Statement was as follows:
Statement from HM The Queen
Following many months of conversations and more recent discussions, I am pleased that together we have found a constructive and supportive way forward for my grandson and his family.
Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved members of my family.
I recognise the challenges they have experienced as a result of intense scrutiny over the last two years and support their wish for a more independent life.
I want to thank them for all their dedicated work across this country, the Commonwealth and beyond, and am particularly proud of how Meghan has so quickly become one of the family.
It is my whole family’s hope that today’s agreement allows them to start building a happy and peaceful new life.
What do you think of the statement, and of the settlement?
The Queen's Statement was as follows:
Statement from HM The Queen
Following many months of conversations and more recent discussions, I am pleased that together we have found a constructive and supportive way forward for my grandson and his family.
Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved members of my family.
I recognise the challenges they have experienced as a result of intense scrutiny over the last two years and support their wish for a more independent life.
I want to thank them for all their dedicated work across this country, the Commonwealth and beyond, and am particularly proud of how Meghan has so quickly become one of the family.
It is my whole family’s hope that today’s agreement allows them to start building a happy and peaceful new life.
What do you think of the statement, and of the settlement?
Comments
If I were Bea and Eugenie, I would be clearing my calendars for the next couple of years. They will be needed.
"1) they won’t be working royals and so can
2) stay in Canada and
3) gets Harry out of the RF like he had wanted and talked about over the years
4) allows them to merch the hell out of everything"
@Liver Bird said:
We all know they won't be staying in Canada.
And Harry talked about leaving the royal family in the same way as spoiled teenage brats talk about running away from home. Well now he's lost his royal status and his military links, the only thing in life he seemed to value. I hope the actress is worth it.
And I disagree that they will be able to merch. Certainly not using the royal name. And nobody cares about them otherwise. This is a win for the palace I think.
January 18, 2020 at 8:47 PM
I think it is more of a true compromise rather than a win for anyone.
And yes, Malibu, here they come
Meghan is having a fit, right now
No longer HRH!!!
No HRH, no 'half in half out', repay Toad Hall money, no military titles for Haz, and don't forget that line about 'upholding HM's values' (or something like that) which to me at least reads like 'don't even think about commercialising the royal name'. Some ambiguity about security and Duchy funding but I don't think they were ever going to release that info publicly.
Well played HM. Well played.
Some acknowledgement that the press had been hard on them, an acknowledgement that Meg is part of the family, and an acknowledgement of Archie (wherever he came from) as a family member.
Those three sentences were traded for a great deal of money - but maybe they were never going to get the money anyway.
Anyone hear who will be paying for their security?
What did the Harkles - and particularly Harry - get from it? Realistically as I've said several times they were never going to lose the Dukedom, so what have they gained from this?
"The Duke and Duchess of Sussex can no longer formally represent the Queen.
"It is not yet clear if they will be able to keep their SussexRoyal online branding or will attend formal family events such as Trooping the Colour."
Buckingham Palace said in a statement: "The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are grateful to Her Majesty and the Royal Family for their ongoing support as they embark on the next chapter of their lives.
"As agreed in this new arrangement, they understand that they are required to step back from Royal duties, including official military appointments. They will no longer receive public funds for Royal duties.
"With The Queen’s blessing, the Sussexes will continue to maintain their private patronages and associations.
"While they can no longer formally represent The Queen, the Sussexes have made clear that everything they do will continue to uphold the values of Her Majesty.
"The Sussexes will not use their HRH titles as they are no longer working members of the Royal Family.
"The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have shared their wish to repay Sovereign Grant expenditure for the refurbishment of Frogmore Cottage, which will remain their UK family home.
"Buckingham Palace does not comment on the details of security arrangements. There are well established independent processes to determine the need for publicly-funded security.
"This new model will take effect in the Spring of 2020."
"Buckingham Palace does not comment on the details of security arrangements. There are well established independent processes to determine the need for publicly-funded security."
Seems to me to be saying - it's up to the Met Police to review.
But I guess we should wait for the commentators.
Sussex royal IG only has the queen’s statement up.
As posted above by nutties -- At the top of DM page
"Prince Harry and Meghan Markle will no longer use HRH titles, will REPAY £2.4million of public cash spent on their Frogmore Cottage home and receive no more public cash as Queen says they remain 'much loved family members'"
***Repaying that £2.4million in installments (my guess) of course ....might drag out forever. They do this and in exchange the Bank of Dad keeps paying out Harry's yearly 2 million allowance/ My opinion.
How do they merch without their HRH titles? They still keep their Duke and Duchess of Sussex titles? Still get to merch and start foundations under Sussex Royal? This gets confusing.
***This just might be the 65%-deprogrammed H colluding with the BRF on the sly. To make Megs leave him, abandon him, thus diminishing her leverage in a divorce.
*** The BRF members are so inept! So it sure looks like the A team of BRF advisors and lawyers have layed out the BRF's cards and Harry is returning to reality.
*** The only job left at Frogmore is to dust off the Bank of Dad furnishings every few months. And to sell the copper bath tub on eBay.
I live near a TJMaxx. I can't wait for the "Duchesssss" discounted oversized sweaters and flimsy jewelry that I know is on the way!
What absolute wreckage, and none of it needed. They could easily scale back on royal duties if they just wanted a slower pace. There was no need for vanity projects such as the Vogue edit and Smart Works. They may be surprised if organizations aren't snapping them up for endorsements. Who wants to work with people who go all scorched earth when they don't get their way?
Statement says it will remain their British resident so - no.
And why would the queen and Charles pay out of their personal funds for these two spoiled brats?
Yes, I think so. Hope they refuse.
I get that you want to put a positive spin on this but how can they merch Sussex Royal when they are no longer royal?
I think that statement was for public consumption. Dad will pay. Harry and Meg don't have the money.
Interesting - without an HRH, won't they have to bow to *everyone* with a title? Ie, Andrew (Meghan's old enemy), Bea, Eugenie, even Viscount Severn? That'll be fun.
Now it's on to the divorce countdown
Absolutely. This is good news. Security is up to Met Police. Sussex Royal will have to be scrapped. They have no clout now for a mega foundation. Meghan can merch her little heart out. The time of influencers is passing.
Harry will end up in Africa after the divorce.
And DM says >>> "The comments below have not been moderated."
No longer a HRH (though the door left open for you to come toddling back after the inevitable divorce) and all your military titles - the one thing in life that supposedly meant anything to you - gone. Tottering after your wife to Canada or LA or wherever, where you have no friends, no family, no real connections. Leaving behind almost everything and everyone you have ever cared about.
And for what?
Harry is going to regret this enormously, and soon. Luckily he will be taken back, but the damage that has been done is irreversible.
Was it all worth it, Haz?
Is Zara not considered a royal?
Isn't Frogmore Cottage owned by the Queen? No fun paying 2.4 million pounds to fix up a place you don't even own.
I think that statement was for public consumption. Dad will pay. Harry and Meg don't have the money.
Yes to everything.
But if they are not royal how can they market a 'Sussex Royal' brand?
And I'm pretty sure that the comment about how "the Sussexes have made clear that everything they do will continue to uphold the values of Her Majesty" is code for 'no Sussex Royal yoga mats'.
It's owned by the crown, not by the queen personally.
No she is not. She is a private citizen.
No public funds, but what about daddy's Duchy treasure chest aka laundered public funds?
So they won't USE their HRH, but does that mean they still have it officially?
And has the title Duke and Duchess of Sussex been rescinded?
Regardless, they are O.U.T.
Happy tears!
Agree with Liver Bird she is not. She IS a member of the royal family but not "royal."
Yes - I'm assuming that's to keep the door open for Harry after the divorce.
"And has the title Duke and Duchess of Sussex been rescinded?"
No, but as I've said repeatedly over the past week or so, realistically that was never an option.
They may be surprised if organizations aren't snapping them up for endorsements. Who wants to work with people who go all scorched earth when they don't get their way?
Maybe they'll be big in Japan. *snigger*
Security, let’s see if we’re vocal as a nation to not let that one slip under the carpet.
Sussexroyal, hmm, let’s see what happens there. I’m baffled by them retaining Frogmore, unless it will be Harry’s post-divorce bolthole. I can’t imagine, beloved by the royal family , Meghan getting many cheers next time she turns up in Windsor from the public.
IMO, the more perfect William and Catherine appear in public and the more we want to believe it, the less likely they are perfect behind the scenes.
Totally agree and I happen to like them because they are not in the papers everyday.
If they are presented as perfect the media will be gleeful when they step out line.
Technically they are still HRHs but are not going to use the style in public.
But in any case I don't think it matters since I suspect Meghan will never again be in the company of the rest of the family.
Also, after the inevitable divorce it seems that Harry will be able to use HRH again.
The palace is on to their merching intentions. I'm certain of it.
The palace is on to their merching intentions. I'm certain of it.
I hope they assign a staff member to keep a close eye on it. Charles isn't capable of being tough with his son.
Diana was well liked, it will be interesting to see how Meghan and Harry will be treated now they are no longer royals.
‘ROBERT HARDMAN: How Princess Diana proved you can't serve the Queen and trade on the royal name.’
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7884079/amp/ROBERT-HARDMAN-Princess-Diana-proved-serve-Queen-trade-royal-name.html
I'm not sure. The Harkles have got almost nothing they 'demanded' on their stupid website. Charles has been waiting to be king for 71 years and he's not going to let his idiot son and his grifter wife ruin it all. I don't think Charles is the pushover everyone assumes him to be.
Also, after the inevitable divorce it seems that Harry will be able to use HRH again.
Yes. He's still a fool.
Liver Bird said...
The palace is on to their merching intentions. I'm certain of it.
Of course.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/01/18/meghan-markle-prince-harry-lose-hrh-titles-new-deal-thrashed
Months ago when you blogged about the Sussex Foundation you predicated it would use to for merching. Very prescient!
Does anyone want to take a guess if this is a win for them? I say it depends if there is market for whatever they are selling.
This is new territory for a Royal for former royal. I wonder why he Queen allowed them to keep the Sussex title if they no longer represent her?
Stand by for the 3rd act - divorce and a nasty custody battle.
They are to keep P/VP of the queenscommtrust... and patronages MM took on last year. That is very curious to me - if you're no longer fulfilling royal duties then why keep these. Unless, in the next days, particularly the MM's patronages, on their own will ask to have MM removed... after all she is no long going to live in the UK in a meaningful way. Perhaps having the patronage request it looks better than having the TQ or BP announce. Curious.
A monumental mistake for Harry.
Good point, but I thought in terms of being close to his grandmother and he could have a kid in tow.
Time will tell what us ordinary folk feel to having them in the country. I’m interested to see if she ever shows up in the U.K. again.
They will still be patrons but they will not be ROYAL patrons. Just like any C list celeb who gets put on letterheads as 'patrons' of a charity.
‘And the future of the couple's new website venture is also unclear. It is not known whether they will hang on to the 'Sussex Royal' name if they are no longer officially part of royal life.’
it looks like they ended up with next to nothing on their ‘demands’ list. However, we shall see....
While I never like to see a custody battle - painful for all involved - it seems likely that the mystery of Archie's true origins may be solved via a very public court case.
I see that the DM has gone back to calling Archie "8 months old" again. They've been calling him a 1-year-old, which he probably is.
As for Americans not understanding HRH titles, I will have to agree with @Nutty. They will assume they are still royal. Most likely we will be seeing some coverage of whether Americans are supposed to be curtsying to H&M.
Harry May lose his HRH, and in the future will probably be sued by the Royals for using Sussex as a commercial venture, but he and his son, if there is a real Archie, will be protected by RPOs. Diana refused RPOs, insisted but he Queen, as she dramatically stated that they would spy on her, and everything she did would be known by her son William. Diana was terrified that if William knew who and what she was with, he would cut her off from himself and ten Harry. Diana would be alive today if she had used RPOs, and this is the sad irony of her death - Dodi’s father employed a drunk driver, shambles security, and did not allow Diana the time to fasten her seatbelt. Thus Harry will always have RPOs.
A monumental mistake for Harry.’
I just had the same conversation with my family, Harry will flounder, he’s known little to nothing else all his life. As they say, be careful what you wish for.
How can this work if they are living abroad full-time? RPOs are a branch of the Met Police. Putting aside the massive cost - we're talking millions here - would Canada or any other country accept having the armed police forces of a foreign state on their soil year round?
)While I never like to see a custody battle - painful for all involved - it seems likely that the mystery of Archie's true origins may be solved via a very public court case.
Hopefully.
Interesting, but a dukedom would usually have property and other assets attached to it. The only assets Harry got with his dukedom was that he was an HRH duke.
Theoretically they should not be allowed to use royal in their trademark name nor the crown in their logo.
Wikipedia has info on royal and non-royal dukes:
A royal duke is a duke who is a member of the British royal family, entitled to the style of "His Royal Highness". The current royal dukedoms are, in order of precedence of their holders (that is, not in order of precedence of the dukedoms themselves):
Duke of Lancaster, held by Elizabeth II
Duke of Edinburgh, held by Prince Philip
Duke of Cornwall (England) and Duke of Rothesay (Scotland), held by Prince Charles, Prince of Wales
Duke of Cambridge held by Prince William
Duke of Sussex held by Prince Harry
Duke of York, held by Prince Andrew
Duke of Gloucester, held by Prince Richard
Duke of Kent, held by Prince Edward (who should not be confused with the Earl of Wessex)
With the exceptions of the dukedoms of Cornwall and Rothesay (which can only be held by the eldest son of the Sovereign), royal dukedoms are hereditary, according to the terms of the letters patent that created them, which usually contain the standard remainder to the "heirs male of his body".
These are extant non-royal dukes in the United Kingdom.
Duke of Abercorn (Ireland)
Duke of Argyll (Scotland), (United Kingdom)
Duke of Atholl (Scotland)
Duke of Beaufort (England)
Duke of Bedford (England)
Duke of Buccleuch (Scotland), Duke of Queensberry (Scotland) (currently all one person)
Duke of Devonshire (England)
Duke of Fife (United Kingdom)
Duke of Grafton (England)
Duke of Hamilton (Scotland), Duke of Brandon (Great Britain) (currently all one person)
Duke of Leinster (Ireland)
Duke of Manchester (Great Britain)
Duke of Marlborough (England)
Duke of Montrose (Scotland)
Duke of Norfolk (England)
Duke of Northumberland (Great Britain)
Duke of Richmond (England), Duke of Gordon (United Kingdom), Duke of Lennox (Scotland) (currently all one person)
Duke of Roxburghe (Scotland)
Duke of Rutland (England)
Duke of Somerset (England)
Duke of St Albans (England)
Duke of Sutherland (United Kingdom)
Duke of Wellington (United Kingdom)
Duke of Westminster (United Kingdom)
Re. What I said about the crown above, this is interesting:
A British or Irish duke is entitled to a coronet (a silver-gilt circlet, chased as jewelled but not actually gemmed) bearing eight conventional strawberry leaves on the rim of the circlet. The physical coronet is worn only at coronations. Any peer can bear his coronet of rank on his coat of arms above the shield.
So what happens to their logo and their respective coat of arms? Seems that the HRH has not been taken away from them but they may not use it. What are the full implications of this?
Most young couples investing 2.4 million pounds in home renovation believe they will be able to get that money back when they finally sell the property.
For Harry and Meg (if they were really paying themselves) it's money out the window.
My suspicion is that the Queen is quietly paying out of her own resources. Using 2.4 million pounds of public money on a rarely used home is bound to make British taxpayers ornery.
No more representing the Queen. No longer royal
Guess the Royal in Sussex Royal is toast. Sussex Inc. It shall be! Good luck with that.
They never lived at Frogmore so that is a throwaway for the plebes. Now, when they divorce will they pay back the taxpayers for the wedding.
I must admit that my heart does break a little for Harry.
No HRH - no deference to them.
They keep Frog Cott as long as they pay $2.4 pounds back.
They the Sussex title
No monies from the public purse as they are no longer rep-ing the RF. Harry looses his military appts./ patrons.
But - they keep Sentabale? the few patronages MM was asssigned - I am confused. I thought they were no longer rep-ing the Queen.
and they can merchandize as long as they uphold the standards of the royal family. Question - How can they merch if they lost the "royal".
Protection - I think that is a given for Harry, as the son of the Heir. He has a huge target on his back. Megs, not so much.
Poor Harry - he is lost. Like Edward, he gave up everything for the woman he loves.
Now that the deal is done, the Sussexes are no longer royal, and they are effectively out of the royal family, Meghan simply no longer needs Harry. His usefullness to her has expired.
Stand by for the 3rd act - divorce and a nasty custody battle.
I agree. I believe that TRF was *very* quick to agree with them being out when MM threw the fit because they wanted their money out of the divorce equation. (My thought is that the BRF slammed the door on the jewelry merching with her Hollywood-connected friend knowing it would precipitate a fit of rage.)
As for the custody battle, I vote for the nanny getting custody.
Megsy busy redrawing the logo and rewriting IG, websites (after throwing a huge tantrum when she realises the implications) as we speak! I note in the IG post with the announcement, Megsy uses the phrase 'Their Royal Highnesses'. Did you not get the memo Megsy? Surely someone will correct this ASAP and explain to her?
This exactly! Diana was loved, Meghan urgh!!! Meghan will never be welcome back here in Blighty, Harry maybe.
They are keeping their patronage’s though, but no longer serving the Queen....so I’m confused how on earth they will fulfill this role! It’s unworkable!
I’m glad the Sussex’s have had their umbilical cord’s cut, and they no longer represent my country.
And is there any reporter who is worth his salt to dig out the security arrangements? I bet they are going to cost use millions.
Queen screwed up big time.
The only consolation Harry lost his military patronages.
Will you please withdraw that gross slur on the mother of the HM the Queen.
The photo that purported to show the young princesses making a Nazi salute was clearly demonstrated to be a still from moving footage of them waving.
I am hoping by no longer being royal nor representing the Queen, Canada will not be obligated to pick up any tabs.
And let's be frank, most Americans probably are under the illusion you are now supposed to bow/curtsy to Paul McCartney because he acquired the Sir before his name, so clueless are most outside of the monarchy regarding the royal appellation. This distinction of simply abstaining from using the HRH title looks mostly like a crumb to those unhappy with Harry and Meghan; and probably let's Meghan think she is still in control.
And why would they want to rent something they never lived in?
Spring is less than 2 months away. No way she'll get any contracts signed in that time, esp if there's no future to it.
I really see very few positives in this for the Sussexes. Probably they still get Duchy money, but that would be considered a 'private' matter so we'll likely never know. But they've lost just about everything else they were arrogant enough to publically 'demand'.
We are careful to not to present allegations as truth here unless they have been tried and proved in court. as far as I am aware, this is only your opinion.
I am like the rest of you asking - how can she merchandise "SussexRoyal" when she/ they are no longer "royal"?
They have a title only, like Viscount Lindley or Lady Louise. That gets them nothing.
Remember - Diana was Lady Diana who worked as a kindergarten teacher/ aide. no exactly rolling in the pounds.
Chris Ship tweeted they will spend "majority" of their time in North America. Who the heck will pay for their happy cosy life there? Palace is bleating security will not be commented upon, but this is what matters most. Guarding them will cost millions.
Looks like they got it still paid out of our pocket, so they got what they wanted.
"You live and you learn"
They’ve lost the style HRH, saying they will no longer use was just a nicer way of phrasing it.
Either way, no matter because Megs is never satisfied with anything for very long and she'll start whinging about it, eventually using all of this and more as leverage for dumping Harry. Narcs are never happy or grateful for what they have. That's what makes it so impossible or hard for non narcs to be in a relationship with one.
Wait for it... we are going to have some optics now
"While they can no longer formally represent The Queen, the Sussexes have made clear that everything they do will continue to uphold the values of Her Majesty."
That leaves all the power and the interpretation of what is and what is not acceptable with HMTQ and the Palace. The equivalent of being electronically tagged.
The Palace has already shown they are willing to act in this area. All it takes is for them to close down a couple of her ventures - maybe after allowing little time so it is on the public radar - and no one of any substance will risk getting involved in future.
In addition, the trademarking regulations @Lurking With Spoon posted show the Palace has sufficient discretion to refuse permission to her existing trademarking applications. In my humble opinion anyway.
The lack of information on security is as expected. That is for the Home Office and Met Police to decide, and indications so far are not good for the Sussexes. Quite apart from the fact that scaling back would be correct for a couple no longer working members of the BRF, this is a populist govt and a decision to scale back would meet with overwhelming public approval. We have the added bonus that the Home Secretary confirmed the official review was that the treatment of Meghan has not been racist, which is one of the cards Harry plays in this area.
Public funding removal - technically only 5% of income apparently, but I'm happy because rumblings from Prince Charles' camp are that his children are draining him dry, H&M even more than W&K. The money tap has pretty much been turned off, by H&M's standards anyway.
Losing his right to wear uniforms of the Queen's forces will be a massive blow. It's a key part of Harry's identity. His self-validation. A body blow.
I'm very pleased about Frogmore and I don't care that could still use it. She's not coming back. Whenever Harry comes back, he can sit there in the gathering gloom, near the cemetery for the family he has so grievously offended, and listen to the frog chorus.
This is for the governent to decide, not the palace.
Now that they are no longer working members of the royal family it will be up for review, especially if they are living abroad. Also, as I said above, given that RPOs are armed members of the Met Police, it's not clear how they would be allowed to operate year-round on foreign soil. A short visit is one thing, but why would Canada or the US allow British police to operate in their countries full-time?
Here is the website (Meghan and Harry do not feature prominently and do not seem to be hugely involved, but I have said above how I think they could use it):
https://www.queenscommonwealthtrust.org/
Also, Her Maj would want some kind of royal family involvement and I assume everyone else is too busy so keeping the Sussexes is a compromise. Maybe Eugene and Jack for the future?
Keep trying to put that positive spin on it!
Losing (effectively) the HRH is a massive deal.
Suddenly, there are a some new names here, and a familiar one as well, making unfounded allegations about the Royals. In a short space of time, I've seen statements offering as unchallenged fact:
HM Queen Mother's Nazi sympathies
Andrew's `far worse' misdeeds'
Charles's `laundering ' of Duchy money
... so I've stopped reading now.
Have we been invaded by trolls? It looks Like an unwonted and unwanted influx of nastiness from where I'm standing.
The only way she would’ve been allowed to make money would’ve been for charitable purposes. But now they’re letting her and Harry launch their media enterprise. One imagines, however, certain courtiers will find clever ways to stymie H&M’s profits, through them paying double taxation, rent on Frogmore, etc.
Any thoughts on the taxation issue?
"I'm very pleased about Frogmore and I don't care that could still use it. She's not coming back. Whenever Harry comes back, he can sit there in the gathering gloom, near the cemetery for the family he has so grievously offended, and listen to the frog chorus."
Eloquently put.
I agree with the rest of your post too. This is about as bad a deal as we could realistically expect to be imposed on the Harkles. They've got almost nothing they had the cheek to 'demand'. Haz even losing his military patronages? That will sting so so badly when he's reduced to tromping after his wife as she kisses up to the celeb types who will no longer be interested. And I made a similar comment about the 'upholding the values of HM' remark. That's not there by chance. Nothing HM ever says is. That's the royal way of saying 'We're on to you!"
"Darling, what a downfall! From royal to jobless c-list actress again within a few days! And instead of money you have to pay back to the taxpayers! Haven't even got the Canada residence! You made yourself a legend again! In epic downfalls!"
Do they realize yet how cash poor they truly are?
What do you mean 'agree'? When her Maj tells you how it's going to be, you don't get to agree or disagree. That's the monumental mistake your beloved dumb Harry and his only slightly less dim wife made, and now the whole world knows it.
And their brand is tainted beyond repair. Why would 'woke envirnomental clause' want these two ex royals when the future king and his slick Earthshot programme is available?
Some commentators are saying that Meghan will now return and carry out royal engagements (covered by her chosen media people and written and approved by her) until the spring. Could this be right?
And Charles is going to continue funding them (that's millions annually) from his private money?
And they are still going to be n the balcony for Trooping the Colour? This is like using the BRF for advertising.
They are essentially establishing their own orbit outside of the REAL royal family universe, and will be seen by many as royals in name only with little or no access to the unseen power possessed by the monarchy, their influence will likely be greatly diminished.
They have reduced themselves to being flea market knock-offs of the genuine brand, like a fake Rolex bought on the streets of New York.
Meghan and Harry are likely thinking their big money will come from speeches, corporate sponsorships such as the rumored deals for Meghan to be the face of Givenchy, film and tv projects plus money from big pocket donors to the foundation.
Her status as a free-range royal will only serve to magnify her narcissistic behavior and divaness, which means she will burn people in the same manner she as she has done all her life, but on a worldwide scale. Eventually her name, and by association as her feckless husband, Harry’s will also be poison.
Corporate sponsors and deep-pocket donors will think probably twice about establishing deep connections with the Sussexes. It’s not as if H&M will be able to recommend anyone for the queen’s New Year honors list, an invite to the royal box at Wimbledon, or an invite to one of the queen’s annual series of garden parties, is it?
Also, due to their ages, they are becoming less and less appealing the 18-35 demographic, especially the younger end of it.
They won’t be able to offer the world any real or imagined access to the invisible power and influence of the monarchy, and others in powerful positions already know it. As when you know both parties in a divorce, their “friends” will usually align themselves with one spouse or the other for the aftermath. Real movers and shakers will line up with the monarchy instead of the Sussexes.
If as reported earlier in the week that there will be a procedure that all their business dealings are reviewed by royal accountants and forensic specialists, it could throw a tremendous number of roadblocks in front of Meghan's plans to take over the world. Because they still will be associated by virtue of being the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, any shady deals or business associates, such as the mysterious Russian oligarch who supposedly owns the house in Canada, could also cast a negative shadow on The Firm. They have had enough of this type of nonsense with the Andrew-Epstein association.
They also will not be able to develop Sussex Royal as a brand and then sell it as Kylie Jenner did to become a billionaire. The Sussex Royal name is too heavily linked to their remaining titles of Duke and Duchess of Sussex for whomever is the monarch to allow the name to be licensed or sold outright to an outside corporation.
Somehow, I do not see the RF allowing Sussex Royal to be sold and listed on the New York Stock Exchange.
He is still Prince Harry and she is still Princess Harry.
They are still Duke and Duchess of Sussex
They are keeping Frogmore Cottage
They are still getting security they don’t have to pay
They will still be on the balcony of trooping of the color like Zara and Peter and extended family
Archie could still be a prince when Charles becomes king of everyone agrees to it
Tell me where this is terrible?
You’re right about Harry having to take it on the chin, she lays down the terms, as I’m sure one of the royal commentators said in an article this week (can’t remember where) that when personally faced with his grandmother Harry will always acquiesce. Maybe once he’d done that in her presence if he wanted to change anything major this last week through his private secretary, or whoever, that was never going to happen. Just a thought.
Harry was passed the position of Captain General of the Royal Marines from his grandfather, Prince Philip, who had held it from 1953 to 2017.
The very same position Harry is now relinquishing so he can go off and gallivant North America.
Wanna bet this was a concession to the DoE? 98 and that old goat still makes a point to get up and clearly vacate *before* Harry's arrival for lunch with the queen. Retirement or not, there is no doubt PP meant it as a not-so-subtle snub to his idiot grandson.
Many of the things on your list are just your assumption - you have no idea about their security for example - but I suspect that any hand-outs they are getting from Charles will be contingent on them not proiting off their royal connections.
Your dumb prince will soon be dumped and come crying back to granny.
- H&M keep their HRH, they simply won't *use* them
- H&M keep their Duke&Duchess of Sussex titles
- H&M "will no longer receive public funds for Royal duties" -> No Sovereign Grant money (5% of their income of millions per year) but most likely still Duchy of Cornwall & Bank of Dad money as those are not explicitly public funds per the BRF (even though it would be if there was no BRF)
- H&M keep Frogmore as their UK home --> grace and favour home, but unlike Edward, Beatrice and Eugenie whose situations are similar, they most likely will not pay rent as they never have
- "Buckingham Palace does not comment on the details of security arrangements. There are well established independent processes to determine the need for publicly-funded security."--> AKA H&M will keep their protection, paid for by taxpayer's money because how would the public ever find out if it's being kept secret?
- No mention of Archie and what'll happen to him title-wise (he's simply "Master" now but could still become a prince/HRH when Charles ascends the throne
- Harry will remain Prince Harry and therefore Meghan can still style herself as Princess Henry
- H&M will pay for the Frogmore refurbishments --> AKA Charles will as we've just read an article about how he's been giving both sons 2.5+ million a year atop of their SG and DoC funding
- "While they can no longer formally represent The Queen, the Sussexes have made clear that everything they do will continue to uphold the values of Her Majesty." --> The use of 'continue' here means they will keep up what they've been doing, which pretty much goes against upholding the values of QEII unless she's been merching on the side and I simply haven't noticed
- H&M still have two more months before this goes into effect, meaning they'll keep all their funding from the first quarter of the year
So, really, what have H&M lost in this deal? Their *use* of HRH and 5% of their income. Pretty much what they said when they announced they were leaving.
I hope you realise that the Duchy does not belong to Charles. He is its steward and gets money from it for his own upkeep. Proceeds are not supposed to be used to support his two sons. Hence the "laundered" remark. There is NO transparency as to how much he siphons off to his kids.
@liver bird he isn’t my dumb prince, he’s yours
@fedde yes, I agree. This is wording and optics to placate Brits while giving H+M most of what they wanted with little if any punishment.
In the end, taking away Harry’s military labels doesn’t take away his experiences and his real service to the country.
Ok, I’m off to read what the commentators have to say.
BBL
Because RPOS are a branch of the police and are paid for directly by the taxpayer. This could not be kept secret and it's up to the govt, not the palace, to decide.
Did Chris Ship insult the Duke of Edinburgh or is that your caprine comment?
We save our insults for Harry and his woman
Harry could reunite with Chelsy, but hopefully she's aghast at how disrespectful he was and turns him down.
I believe the truth to this saga is revealed in pictures, even the photoshopped ones. We have the wedding in Jamaica, where she is clinging to him and looks to be hissing in his ear. Then the huge smirk on her face after the wedding. At the polo match, she has no idea how to care for little Archie who hangs limply in her arms. At Harry's final engagement as a senior royal, she is nowhere to be found. Some of the hardest days of his life must have been this past week. Her associates said it best when they stated, "Meghan likes to move on."
They don't own Frog Cottage. It's a grace and favour residence that they just might have to rent.
Security is still up in the air.
No ex-royals on the balcony, from what I understand.
I don't think missy is going to be happy at all. Her royal everything has been taken away.
In line with the statement by Her Majesty The Queen, information on the roles and work of The Duke and Duchess of Sussex will be updated on this website in due course. We appreciate your patience and invite you to explore the site to see the current works of Their Royal Highnesses.
Just figured out how to join ~ I love this site!!! Ty, Nutty!
Suddenly, there are a some new names here, and a familiar one as well, making unfounded allegations about the Royals. In a short space of time, I've seen statements offering as unchallenged fact:
HM Queen Mother's Nazi sympathies
Andrew's `far worse' misdeeds'
Charles's `laundering ' of Duchy money
... so I've stopped reading now.
Have we been invaded by trolls? It looks Like an unwonted and unwanted influx of nastiness from where I'm standing.
Well, MM must be really, really mad and she's got lots of time on her hands for reading and responding to blogs, so we should probably say hi to her. (Wave with finger of your choice.)
From what I've been told, Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice are having a very hard time recently with what's going on with their father. It's possible this is the one time they don't want to step into the limelight -- they're lying low as the process what's going on. They apparently had no idea about Prince Andrew's shenanigans and haven't had it as easy throughout their lives as one would assume.
Harry is the prodigal son....he will one day be welcomed back with open arms. Albeit, humbled and hopefully wiser. I just really feel for Archie...he is an innocent pawn in this royal chess match. MM will someday get her due. I can picture her as Lola in the Copacabana song with faded feathers in her hair, and pounding back martinis...
@Rory Gman: Actually, she’ll still be under the impression she is a talented actress, feminist and humanitarian who runs a blog named The The Tig, so she will spend her last $100 on a bottle of Tignanello, the wine The Tig is named after.
And Harry will be happily back in the UK with his second wife who actually loves him and not a royal title, their children and Archie.
"They have reduced themselves to being flea market knock-offs of the genuine brand, like a fake Rolex bought on the streets of New York.
A fitting analogy! After all she has been and is such a phony, a cheap knock off of a real human being.
Also, if Bea and Eugenie's security is paid by Andy why should we pay for HazMeg? He is grandson to the Q and they are granddaughters. What is fine for them is fine for him. Plus unlike them Bea and Eugy have full use of HRH and are fully royal.
The rest of my post upthread is my opinion. And yes, you bet I fondly called PP an old goat, an attribute of stubbornness rivaled only by maybe a mule.
Goat is what came to my mind vs jackass when I typed, since the backside of a mule seems more appropriately reserved to describe the Sussexes. But I'd rather not insult the beleaguered mule.
I think the Queen has checkmated them completely.
FroggyCott will stay 'their family home in the UK'. Droll. Meg will never set foot there again. Trooping the Colour? I don't expect to see either of them. They may be invited, pro forma, but they would be booed off the balcony if they showed up. Too upsetting for the Queen to have to hear. Even Harry alone is persona non grata, and he'd have to appear in a suit since he is no longer entitled to any uniform. Minus his marital baggage. His ego won't be able to take this demotion. In future years, let's see . .but I think William will forcefully assert that he does not want either of them there as it's too upsetting to Kate, and what upsets Kate upsets the children.
'Sussex' without the Crown's imprimateur might as well be 'McSuckburger Royale', hold the Royale. There will be a brief flurry of interest if Meg gets some interviews on TV with her pals Oprah and Gail, but I think people will be tuning in to see a live dumpster fire on TV. What reputable company will want to be associated with 'Sussex' now? Plus, and Meg hasn't thought this through . . it takes a lot more money than Harry has personally or gets from Daddy every year to fund a global retail empire. Meg seems to only deal in virtual reality. It doesn't cost anything to post photos of merchandise, maybe a licensing fee . . but who is gonna actually *produce* the massive line of SuckBurger products she envisions? For that you need materials, factories, labor. I smell Third World sweatshops and junk of excreble quality. Street fair quality. The Queen has taken back the 'Royal.
Yes, she gets to be a Duchess for life apparently, even after divorce. That has worked out SO well for Fergie. Hey Meg, we have a chain of Duchess Shoppes across this land just for you. Maybe they will help you hawk your wares. (For those outside US: Duchess Shoppes are a chain of gas station convenience stores. Besides junk food beer, one can purchase cheap sunglasses and toys for children. They might be willing to stock a SussexBaby line of onesies.
I speculate that Chas will fund her security until divorce; after that, no. Harry will probably keep his, because of Pops' soft spot (head) for his kid, but maybe only funded fully when he is in the UK; in another country Haz goes halfsies, maybe?
I do not think that Meg and Harry will live together in any meaningful way until the inevitable divorce. I really don't think they have lived together in a meaningful way since they got engaged. Chicken dinner, my patootie.
PART 1
Harry and Meghan barred from using HRH titles
Roya Nikkhah and Tim Shipman
January 18 2020, 7:30PM
The Sunday Times
A palace statement said the couple ‘would no longer receive public funds for royal duties’
The Duke and Duchess of Sussex will be banned from using their HRH titles and “no longer receive public funds”, in exchange for being free to strike commercial deals, under a historic royal peace accord thrashed out last night.
In a statement, the Queen announced that Harry and Meghan would “always be much loved members of my family” and said she wished them to “start building a happy and peaceful new life”.
But in what amounts to the abdication of the royal “rock stars”, the couple will repay the £2.4m of public funds used to renovate Frogmore Cottage, their home on the Windsor estate.
The Queen said she wanted the couple to ‘start building a happy and peaceful new life’
Under the terms of the historic ‘divorce’ deal, the house will remain their British base but they will pay commercial rent on its upkeep and take no more money from the sovereign grant.
The couple will keep their royal titles, but, to insulate them from claims they are cashing in on their status, Buckingham Palace announced: “The Sussexes will not use their HRH titles as they are no longer working members of the royal family.” They will be known as Harry, Duke of Sussex and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex.
In future the couple will spend most of their time in North America.
Harry will continue to perform royal duties until the spring, including at a summit for African leaders in London tomorrow. He will then step back permanently, giving up his military roles as Captain-General of the Royal Marines (a post passed to him by the Duke of Edinburgh), Honorary Air Commandant at RAF Honiton and Commodore-in-Chief of the Small Ships Society.
After that he and Meghan will be free to make millions from commercial deals of their own without any oversight from the palace, though palace aides stressed they would be “respectful” of the Queen.
STATEMENT FROM HER MAJESTY THE QUEEN
Following many months of conversations and more recent discussions, I am pleased that together we have found a constructive and supportive way forward for my grandson and his family.
Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much-loved members of my family.
I recognise the challenges they have experienced as a result of intense scrutiny over the last two years and support their wish for a more independent life.
I want to thank them for all their dedicated work across this country, the Commonwealth and beyond, and am particularly proud of how Meghan has so quickly become one of the family.
It is my whole family’s hope that today’s agreement allows them to start building a happy and peaceful new life.
STATEMENT FROM BUCKINGHAM PALACE
The Duke and Duchess of Sussex are grateful to Her Majesty and the royal family for their ongoing support as they embark on the next chapter of their lives. As agreed in this new arrangement, they understand that they are required to step back from royal duties, including official military appointments. They will no longer receive public funds for royal duties.
With the Queen’s blessing, the Sussexes will continue to maintain their private patronages and associations. While they can no longer formally represent the Queen, the Sussexes have made clear that everything they do will continue to uphold the values of Her Majesty.
The Sussexes will not use their HRH titles as they are no longer working members of the royal family.
The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have shared their wish to repay Sovereign Grant expenditure for the refurbishment of Frogmore Cottage, which will remain their UK family home.
Buckingham Palace does not comment on the details of security arrangements. There are well established independent processes to determine the need for publicly funded security.
This new model will take effect in the spring of 2020.
The Queen said they loose the HRH effective Spring 2020 (March 19, 2020 for those wondering when the Equinox occurs).
The Queen styled them Harry, Duke of Sussex and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex - there is no mention of "Prince".
No mention of RPO from the firm, nor will there be. Harry is the son of the future King. There will be something.
Frog Cott - $2.4 M pounds is a hefty rent/ payback for a freebie. I do not expect Charles to cover it - he has publicly stated the Bank of Dad is not limitless. And if it comes out that he is covering H&M from the Duchy, his stock will tank further.
Define "royal" - this is the big question as if effects the trademarks and merchandising, which is the basis of their future income.
I just don't see how H&M win with this - they are cornered. Poor Harry.
“The Sussexes will not use their HRH titles as they are no longer working members of the Royal Family.”
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51164232
@Liver Bird I would practically guarantee (if I could) that the opportunities are lining up as we speak.
Thanks for a hearty laugh! Your presence here since day one consisted of excuses, spin and defense. They're indefensible, dear.
Now that Meg is free to merch away on SussexBaby gear let's see if we see Archie pictures starting to appear. Let's just see. I think if Meghan was the legitimate mother of a royal baby right now, there would have been a few more concessions in order to get him back in England.
With Andrew out and Harry out too, there is no one to represent the Crown as Captain General, Royal Marines within the family. It has to be a military veteran.
On the upside, the Wessexes will probably get the National Theatre and Association of Universities, respectively.
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Stripping Haz of his military titles has got to hurt. The Queen has basically repudiated his 10 years of military service, the only thing that gave Harry a sense of identity separate from his brother. Not only can he not be a military patron, but she's stripped him of all his uniforms. Ouch.
This is cast out into the wilderness time, as totally as Uncle David was, but Uncle David had a lot more of his own money, having sold Sandringham and Balmoral to the family. He also remained a figure of interest in exile as the once-monarch, who had been very popular. Harry is not the same stature, HRH or no.
I'm guessing that Harry will eventually default on the payments on Tadpole Towers, since he doesn't really want to live there, and there is probably a clause that will then mean that it can be let to another family member(s). Eugenie and Jack would be the logical choices.
They are so out. Wonder how many calls Meg is fielding for interviews now.
"How quickly Meghan became part of the Family?!"
Meg isn't going to be seeing the sun for some time.
Good statement from HM. Still many aspects to detail, e.g. do they refund immediately or in a 10 years' period? paying interests or not paying them?
I also think HM is letting the door stand open for Harry to come back. I agree with the comments above that if the couple does not uphold the "values", the deal falls. For MM this will be hard.
In exchange for acknowledging Archie, Harry and Megs lose royal status.
They will not be making appearances on the balcony or riding in carriages. They are now the equivalent of Zara and Peter only they are the Duke and Duchess instead of Mr. or Mrs. So and So. It strikes me this was done to avoid making them Mountbatten-Windsors.
In any case, the question of their appearances is moot. Meghan will not willingly ever appear publically in the U.K. again.
People may feel it's not that different to before, given the Duchy of Cornwall funded 95%, but they could maintain the conceit of a working life before. The royal version of a working life, as adults. Now he's completely a kid, with none of the advantages of youth.
That photo of him looking at his phone in the car was a seismic change in his image. He's been losing his looks for a while, but that photo is when it really hit. Exactly like Henry VIII in looks and symbolism. When Henry VIII ceased to be what was considered to be a beautiful young man, everything changed, except in his own mind.
If Meghan decides to keep him, he's a househusband but not one that could be respected to contribute anything of equivalent value. Do you remember that clip from Eugenie's wedding, of Harry and Meghan sitting waiting for the ceremony to start, Meghan talking to Zara Tindall I think? Harry said something, and the disdain, impatience and irritation on Meghan's face was something to see. She rolled her eyes to Zara as if to say "See what I have to deal with!"
Well Harry's slowness compared to her constant hussling, his unfamiliarity with her world, his lack of physical attractiveness and all his unappealing character traits from being a pampered royal are going to combine to doom this marriage. Then what?
Reposting my comment from the end of the last topic>>>
I think the Queen has checkmated them completely.
FroggyCott will stay 'their family home in the UK'. Droll. Meg will never set foot there again. Trooping the Colour? I don't expect to see either of them. They may be invited, pro forma, but they would be booed off the balcony if they showed up. Too upsetting for the Queen...
Yes, to your entire comment. Insightful and intelligent as always. Bravo!
I would think Harry is not looking forward to losing his granny and facing Wills as decision-maker.
The Duchy of Cornwall is for funding the Prince of Wales and his heirs. So when William is POW, it will go to maintaining his children. By then, Harry will be funded from the Duchy of Lancaster which is managed by the sovereign.
But I expect that by then, the marriage will long be over and Haz will have crawled back to Blighty, cap in hand.
1 - Prince Harry and Meghan Markle quit royal life COMPLETELY: Couple drop HRH titles, will REPAY £2.4m spent on Frogmore Cottage and won't receive any more taxpayers' cash as Queen says they remain 'much loved family members'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7902593/Harry-Meghan-LOSE-HRH-titles-REPAY-2-4million-public-cash.html
2 - Prince Harry prepares for fresh Megxit meetings on Monday after they hit deadlock, forcing him to delay Canada reunion with Meghan Markle and Archie (who he hasn't seen in nearly a fortnight) - while Queen appears determined on Sandringham drive
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7902031/Queen-takes-time-spin-Sandringham-amid-deadlocked-Megxit-negotiations.html
3 - Taxpayers look set to keep paying £7.6million-a-year security bill as Harry, Meghan and Archie start new life in Canada
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7902651/Taxpayers-look-set-paying-7-6million-year-security-bill-Harry-Meghan.html
4 - Prince Harry gets new title just like his mother: Will be styled as Harry, Duke of Sussex in echo of Diana, Princess of Wales
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7902649/Prince-Harry-gets-new-title-just-like-mother.html
5 - Prince Harry and Meghan Markle will still get cash from The Bank Of Dad: Prince is expected to keep getting £2.3m Duchy of Cornwall cash from Charles while pair are free to do commercial deals
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/prince_harry/index.html
6 - Rows over future multi-million-pound deals could delay Prince Harry and Meghan Markle’s Megxit departure day for up to SIX MONTHS, royal sources say
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7896991/Rows-multi-million-pound-deals-delay-Megxit-departure-SIX-MONTHS-royal-sources-say.html
7 - Prince Harry is spotted laughing and joking as he enjoys low-key dinner with friends in west London pub
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7902447/Prince-Harry-spotted-laughing-joking-enjoys-low-key-dinner-friends-west-London-pub.html
8 - Harry and Meghan: Key dates in the Megxit crisis
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-7902659/Harry-Meghan-Key-dates-Megxit-crisis.html
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I could not disagree more.
"Now H&M are no longer working royals and therefore not being paid to do that 'job' (the BRF version of normality regarding a working life) Harry is basically going to be living on an allowance from his Dad unless Meghan is willing to support him with her increasingly shady merching. Surely that won't be a good look, particularly to Americans? The opposite to a self-made man. Does that still matter or is trashy celebrity culture completely triumphant?"
Yes he'll be on her turf and while it may be fun for a while, he'll be out of his comfort zone and will soon be miserable. It's almost inevitable.
Plus, now that their 'half in half out' ploy has failed, and they are officially no longer working royals, Canada's usefullness as a Commonwealth country has expired and I expect it to be Markled very soon. This sorry pair will have moved south to Los Angeles by summer, if not before. She'll be in her element. But he will be a lost soul.
I think all the revelations being let loose about Archie would be the *only* thing to put the fear of God into Meghan. She's paraded herself around as the model royal Madonna/mother of the year for most of her very brief marriage. Most of the nearly 500,000 pounds she spent on clothes in the first year of her marriage were when she was 'pregnant'. The lavish baby shower that cost that much again for a single weekend at Manhattan's most luxurious hotel.
Since he has been 'born' she's been teasing the world about her great little bubs, her wonderful breast feeding and their family bonding. A venerable world leader has met a baby called Archie. How does she retract any of this now and admit that she's faked it all? She has got to know that she'd be the most vilified woman in the world, much more so than now, if that got out. She still has a lot of supporters with her 'Racist-Meanie Britain' umbrella. But you don't mess with motherhood. Even the sugars would turn on her if it comes to light that she and Harry concocted 'Archie' for money and attention and have been laughing at the world at their con . . or Meg's con which has become Harry's through default, so utterly brainwashed by her that he laughs in a roomful of parents of desperately sick kids at his own fraudulence.
This is the soap opera of all time . . or at least since Henry VIII ran through so many wives.
My take is that the BRF knows the truth about Archie.
In exchange for acknowledging Archie, Harry and Megs lose royal status.
I agree. Same with acknowledging Meghan quickly becoming a part of the family. Though that one can be read sarcastically. Also, it defends the Royals from her future accusations of them not accepting her into the fold.
Absolutely! I laughed like a drain when she complained about not being allowed to be her `authentic self'.
The whole point about a person with NPD, my counsellor said, is that they lack an authentic Self, there's nothing genuine there, only someone constructed from bits and pieces of other people they've mirrored and imitated, mainly Diana in this case. They offer their target a constructed `person' who fits what they perceive the target needs.
Liz threw shade, majorly.
"How quickly Meghan became part of the Family?!"
Meg isn't going to be seeing the sun for some time.
Hadn’t thought of it til I saw your comment, Hikari, and maybe this isn’t actually what you meant, but HM isn’t saying she’s proud of Meg, is she? Her family quickly accepted Meg into the fold - she can honestly say she is proud of that, yet it comes off sounding like grace. That is how I will reconcile that statement, anyway.
Prince Philip was the only son of five children born to a secondary “Greek’ Royal (Greek Royal were all descendants of Victoria, Chriistian if Denmark, and with Philip and his sisters, Czars). Philip was raised as a baby in Germany, and attended a school founded by a Jew. Philip followed his hero, a Jew, to England, and sent his son Charles to be educated in the same school. Philip’s four sisters were all married to sickening, uneducated, wicked men. Three of his brother in laws rose to the highest ranks in the Nazi party, all proud of murdering Jews, Gypsies, prisoners of war British, etc. One brother in law was Hitler’s best friend, although second to his dog.
Wild Boar, I know what I saw.
• They are still getting security they don’t have to pay
• They will still be on the balcony of trooping of the color like Zara and Peter and extended family
• Archie could still be a prince when Charles becomes king of everyone agrees to it
No. None of the above three things.
The queen's comment on unresolved security makes it very clear that will vary depending on location. It is also not safe or wise to publicize a LACK of security so they aren't exactly going to say that. But no, including removing "internationally protected persons" from the SussexRoyal website, their security is not provided.
It is not indicated anywhere they'd be welcome on the balcony.
Why the heck would Archie become a prince in the future if he isn't one already? Not gonna happen.
Also - my prior post saying "look at yourselves" was not to say everyone SHOULD believe the unflattering rumors on PW and Kate, but simply to point out it does not make sense to dismiss them without consideration.
Bet that never occurred to him.
That's gotta sting.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/01/18/meghan-markle-prince-harry-lose-hrh-titles-new-deal-thrashed/
"Aides revealed that the couple will spend the majority of their time in north America and will be free to earn their own money however they see fit.
Royal sources also admitted that the couple, who will be styled as Harry, Duke of Sussex and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, may yet have to give up their Sussex Royal branding, used extensively on social media and their website and which remains an issue “yet to be ironed out”.
So if they step out of line they can have the Sussex Royal branding yanked?
But she does not have royal styling any more like she did last year No HRH. Therefore she cannot use 'Royal' along with her 'Sussex'. The Queen has rightfully demoted her in every way short of tossing her from the balcony on live TV
I would hope the crowds would not boo the Queen on her own birthday, but they might if she is allowing the Sussexes on her balcony. Harry will be dressed in civilian clothes, like Eugenie's husband Jack or Peter Phillips since HM has stripped his military ranks.
Short of flogging him publicly, she could not have issued a more severe beatdown for his disloyalty. Any notion that Meg has 'won' or gotten everything she wanted is sadly misplaced.
She will survive but I do wonder if Harry will.
Sadie Sunshine said...
"@nutty I had the same reaction about HRH ... as long as they can still use the Sussex name and are known as the Duke and Duchess, Americans won't know the difference and their brand will remain in tact over here."
I doubt that. No carriage for one thing. Harry in a suit. Stuffed at the real back/edge of the balcony with W&K up front?
I guess she might want to come to show off Archie who'd probably look just about as big as Louis by then...
“Harry and Meghan: Your questions answered on tax, titles and trademarks”
“The Duke and Duchess of Sussex recently announced they would step back as senior royals.
Here we answer some of the questions we have received from readers about Prince Harry and Meghan's possible plans.”
Going to read it now
Thanks for the info re the Duchy of Lancaster. I understand the income from the duchy forms the special privy purse of the Duke (Queen currently holds this title, then Charles will). So it is up to the reigning Monarch to decide how much Harry will receive after Wills takes hold of the d of C.
I can foresee pretty painful negotiations between Charles and Harry once the Queen is gone.
This was just a month after the Archie Show. The family knows what happened there even if we plebes out here don't. Archie was the beginning of the end for Meg. 5 months into the marriage, that's how long she was able to make it. We are just seeing now the endgame that began sometime in 2016.
If the formerly royal couple no longer receive public funds, Harry will have to spend down his inheritance to support Markle in the style she will demand.
If Harry is 35 this year, I give them two years before Markle bulldozes Harry into the ground.
People go through significant life events at certain ages: 27/28, 37, 58, 84. Needless to say, but saying it anyway, Harry is up for a rude awakening in two years.
As the male-line grandson of the sovereign, Archie probably will become a prince when Charles ascends the throne.
But big deal. That was his right anyway. So the Sussexes haven't gained anything in that. In fact, they've got very few of the 'demands' they so arrogantly made on that stupid website. No HRH, no royal duties, no 'collaborating' with the queen (one serves the queen, one doesn't 'collaborate' with her!), no royal patronages, no military honours, a strict eye on any merching, security up for review..... OK Charles might throw a few quid at them but so what?
Right at this minute, I'll bet toys are being thrown from prams somewhere in Vancouver!
>>>I guess she might want to come to show off Archie who'd probably look just about as big as Louis by then...<<<
I dare Meghan to bring Archie to the balcony. That would be some good TV. Wonder what baby she'd show up with?
I can't wait to see her try.
Otherwise, it is hard to image the Sussex duo being invited for Trooping the Color, since Harry has essentially been demoted.
I'd say wedding invites are out.
Harry will be beside himself when HMTQ or PP passes away. We have the example of Edward VIII: The Duke of Windsor was invited back to attend the funeral of his mother, and his brother. He walked behind the casket, was present for the services, and was not invited to anything else. He left to return to his exile. If Harry is treated in this manner, I worry for his mental health.
Although I am pleased with some of the Queen's determination, I think there are a lot of questions yet. Markle will have to be watched closely.