It's now been a full week since the official publication of "Finding Freedom," with a great deal of ink spilled about the book and the Sussexes new home in Montecito.
Has the Sussex reputation benefitted from the publicity, or are they worse off now in public opinion than they were a week ago?
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Mrs. Wales would never do! Princess Harry would just go all-out on a PR push to be "Princess Meghan."
She might be willing to settle for Mrs. Mountbatten-Windsor. Not only does it sound much more aristocratic, but it would also give her a chance to get back at Prince Philip for calling her a "degree wife." He wouldn't like her bandying his last name about, which, for a narc, would be all the more reason to do it!
Other things I have been thinking about while gardening (where I let my mind run free):
Someone brought up Misha Noonoo is supposedly looking to buy in Montecito. I suspect HAMS moving to Montecito will be the best thing to happen in Montecito real estate sales in a while.
I don’t really follow them, but I see John Legend and Christy Tiegan are happily expecting an unexpected quarantine baby (after fertility treatments for #1 and 2). Supposedly they are now looking for a new house and put their 23 million (something like that) house up for sale.
It wouldn’t surprise me if we hear they moved to Montecito.
(And sorry if any of my posts sound curt.... with the two storms coming on Tuesday possibly, I am rushing to get some drainage issues worked out so as soon as I cool down, I rush back outside to work because of this looming deadline. It’s so hot, I have to keep coming in and out... so if I sound curt, it’s bexause I’m a bit stressed, hot and still have to go to the grocery etc... Storm prep).
As for cranky old Brit journalists trying to say Montecito is a boring city. Here’s the deal.... I live in a “boring” city. We are within 1.5 hours to 4.5 hours for big city excitement, mountains, beach, a Vam Cleef and Arpels store, etc. Excitement is not that far away.
Because there isn’t much to do here, our social circle have pools, outdoor kitchens, large verandas with multiple sofas and fans, etc. one couple has an entire second floor with a custom made wooden bar and a pool table, so it’s like you are at a bar, etc.
I can DEFINITELY see how Montecito is appealing to HAMS because as they make friends there and have people to hang out with, (assuming this pandemic is over which it may not be soon 🤷🏼♀️) they will be able to have a robust social life without the paps getting one picture of them.
Ok. Back outside. Uugh.
Acknowledging your long written. You might be right on Megsy's barging in at the Inskip wedding though Haps surely looked unwilling to engage her in photos that are infamous, that were widely distributed and can probably be found again at the Harry Markle blog. The Harry Markel blog had a post on L'affair H/M at Inskip's in Jamaica.
The Toronto Invictus barge in by Megs? The Mirror agrees with you, that it was consensual. They represent this incident as H/M announcing that they are together.
A "robust social life without the paps getting one picture of them" (emphasis mine) doesn't sound like something very appealing to Meghan!
Don't get me wrong. I'd love to live in a "boring" city like what you've described, where people can cook outside, socialize with neighbors around a pool or on a veranda, etc. It just doesn't seem much like the Harkles' style to me. Several hundred comments ago, another poster said that big celebrities move to places like Montecito in order to be ordinary. In that case, a fellow celeb with a history of asking "Don't you know who I am?" wouldn't fit the profile of an ideal neighbor.
But I guess we'll see! If @JocelynsBellinis is right that Montecito is becoming a "base camp" of Meghan's friends, then we have more plot twists to look forward to than this change of setting!
@Mrs Trestle - I thought I'd covered that possibility in what I said.
Did VG have her passport taken away?
Did they steal her mobile phone?
Was she forcibly removed from US or wherever?
Was she promised a fabulous job in the UK to help her out of grinding poverty in some third world country, or a state that had been festering behind the Iron Curtain?
Was it a way of escaping a totalitarian regime in East Asia?
Was she an unloved child in care in a miserable northern English town who was promised affection, alcohol and drugs?
Did some social worker label her a prostitute before she met Maxwell?
Did the authorities know what was going on but hesitated to act in case they offended someone else's cultural norms, even though they were in Britain?
Was she kept under lock and key?
Was she starved and beaten up?
Those questions have be answered before we conclude she was, or was not, a trafficked sex slave.
We've seen all that happen here, as well as a fruitless investigation into completely fake claims against innocent people. Moreover, the police were too ready to believe the real perpetrator. Here's what the Crown prosecution Service had to say about it:
https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/updated-how-cps-proved-case-against-serial-liar-nick-over-false-claims-vip-child-abuse
When I did Jury Service in a child abuse case, other members of the Jury assumed that a child making allegations is not lying and you have to believe them. No, you have to take them seriously in the first instance - the function of the trial is to ascertain the truth of the allegation, not to accept them as Gospel. That experience, with other instances of just how shallow my fellow jurors' thought processes were, shook my faith in jury trials.
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Just wondering if you saw LCC's video where she explains the difference between pedophilia (choosing children)and pederasty(choosing adolescents). I was floored as I had never heard of the latter. She and Leo were discussing PA. I can't find the exact episode. Maybe someone here saw it?
Anyway, interesting questions. Many people have sex at 17. And they know what they are doing. I think it depends on the individual.
You do bring up an interesting point as to whether she was trafficked or not. I think at first, she a said she needed money. I question did she continue because she liked the lifestyle, was she hyper-sexual? Etc.
I totally agree with you. A lot of questions concerning that case...
For the record, I do not care for PA but wondering what really happened as well.
Because again, Prince in that situation is merely a fancy Mr.
From an etiquette standpoint (in the US, at least) if a woman is married to John Smith and goes by "Mrs Jane Smith" she would be signifying she is widowed, otherwise the proper way would be "Mrs. John Smith".
No one follows this now days, of course, but I think that's why she would be Princess Harry, silly as it sounds.
I will now be posting as LavenderLady. I love peonies, (as many, many people do) but I don't care to be associated to the woman to whom I have referred to as:
-That Thing Harry Married
-La Markle
-(My fave) Peg Leg Meg
-Megalomania
-Megantionette
-(and my most recent)-The Omen
If I was MiMi, I would be filled with self disgust! But I'm just me, a multi faceted, well rounded woman... who loves flowers.
Thank you for the compliment! I enjoy digging for info and then trying to put all of the pieces together.
Oprah is a great businesswoman, but she is sometimes very naive in other matters. She is the original "woke" TV personality, telling all of us that she knows how "how to live our best lives." That's made millions for her, and I often wonder if she is setting up MM to be her successor. I think she wants MM to worship at her feet, as she did with Maya Angelou. Although this time, I think she believes that she can monetize MM for her own personal gain and even more power as she is ageing out of the on-air/online market.
Oprah also displays many signs of narcissistic tendencies. She adores adulation, and she thrives on having people worship her and following her every command. I think she sees MM as one way to keep herself relevant as she is nearing age 70, and that she can mold MM into a newer, even more woke and even powerful version of herself. If MM succeeds, then Oprah will feel that she has also succeeded because she would be the one who made her in her own image. Of course, in Oprah's mind, this will only happen with her blessing and guidance. That shows signs of a God complex to me.
she was a runaway who needed money
because she was 17, she can say adults into their 30s-50s abused her by taking advantage of her misfortune for their beneficial mutual gain
her age and circumstances are the issue here, any younger- sure, burn them at the stake
but she was of consenting age to an arrangement like that, whether she felt incapacitated by the situation or not
this is why it's not totally hyperbolic and media isn't completely up in arms.
now the question is, where are the other women that could corroborate being 'held against their will' involving Epstein.
All of these women and middle aged adults were in exchange relationships. tawdry and unbecoming? sure. Illegal, and punishable (for only one party of the arrangement?) TBD.
@Maneki Neko
Mrs. Wales would never do! Princess Harry would just go all-out on a PR push to be "Princess Meghan."
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I know it would never do 😉! It would bring her down a peg or two, though.
Interesting hypothesis re MM and Oprah. However, Oprah is betting on the wrong horse. MM is too old to make a go of the whole trend setting woke thing. If Oprah truly wanted that she would be better advised to pick a younger and less controversial prodigy. My best guess is Oprah is just laying the ground work to get the tell all panorama interview. By the time that rolls around interest will have waned IMO.
Also, Oprah has always been thirsty for an "in" into British Royalty. Remember how she courted/propped up Fergie? Oprah craves the standing of associating with the BRF and will work any angle she can to get it. Its kind of sad. Again, just IMO.
Unreal Estate
Harry and Meghan buy their dream house: a crooked Russian oligarch’s 14,563-square-foot mansion in Montecito
BY STUART HERITAGE
AUGUST 22, 2020
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle finally have a place of their own. Not a palace. Not a cottage that needed three million taxpayer dollars to renovate. Not a Vancouver mansion owned by a mysterious businessman, or a sprawling Los Angeles mansion owned by the Boo 2! A Madea Halloween guy. A house where they can finally put down some roots. And, fortunately for us, it’s also a house that everyone already knows everything about.
Located in Montecito, California, the house—known as the “Chateau of Riven Rock”—has nine bedrooms and 16 bathrooms. It covers 14,563 square feet and was built in 2003 by Terry Cunningham, the Canadian chief executive of a software company that exists to help businesses “who aren’t equipped to tap into the value of geospatial data,” which you’d assume has to be most businesses. It has a wine cellar covered in gravel, its floors are made with T1-11 plywood, and it may or may not have a stripper pole in the gym.
The move apparently took place in July, after Harry realized that he hated living in Los Angeles. According to The Sun, Meghan paid for it with rerun fees from Suits, which suddenly makes the thought of being the fifth lead on your aunt’s 12th-favorite show much more of an enticing career prospect.
If there’s any sort of mystery to the Chateau of Riven Rock at all, it’s why it cost so little. It has been reported that Harry and Meghan paid $14.3 million for the home despite the fact that, a decade ago, it was sold for $25 million. What could possibly be the reason for this enormous tumble?
There are a few competing theories. The first is that, according to Cunningham, the home is highly susceptible to natural disasters. In 2017, neighboring counties were ravaged by wildfire that destroyed 1,063 structures and caused $2.2 billion in damages. Then a series of mudslides that killed more than 20 people came within 200 feet of the property. In the last year alone, Montecito has endured more than a hundred earthquakes. It could be that the Chateau of Riven Rock has lost so much of its market value because it may very well topple over in the relatively near future.
Then again, perhaps it also has something to do with its previous owner. Sergey Grishin appears to be the walking definition of Not a Very Nice Man: a billionaire Russian oligarch who claims to have “practically brought the Russian banking system to a collapse” after taking part in a scheme that stole more than $20 billion from the Russian banking system in the 1990s. With the spoils, he purchased El Fureidis, the Montecito mansion from De Palma’s Scarface. Most recently Grishin has been involved in a court battle with his ex-wife, who accuses him of assault, battery, extortion, invasion of privacy, cyberstalking, and domestic violence that allegedly involved holding a gun to her head, knocking out her teeth, sending audio of himself to her mother in which he tries to hire an assassin, and threatening to stream the murder of his wife live on Instagram and YouTube.
Grishin denies these claims, but in the understatement of the century, his ex-wife’s business partner told the Daily Mail that Harry and Meghan may not be good at seeking counsel: “Clearly whatever advisers they have cannot have done any kind of due diligence.”
Still, a bargain is a bargain, and whatever the cause of its heavy discount, the Chateau of Riven Rock looks like the perfect base from which to offer up meaningless platitudes about world events over Zoom, which is what the couple appear to do for a living now.
I agree with what you, but unfortunately, very few people around the world are familiar with the intricacies of British titles and their proper usage. I know that I'm still trying to find my way through the proper usage of titles.
If she and Harry divorce, MM will always be known as, at least, Meghan Markle, the former wife of Prince Harry or as Meghan Markle, the former Duchess of Sussex. She will make sure of that because that is her only claim to fame. That's enough for the average person (outside of Britain) to believe that she has cache or clout.
Oprah is a great businesswoman, but she is sometimes very naive in other matters. She is the original "woke" TV personality, telling all of us that she knows how "how to live our best lives." That's made millions for her, and I often wonder if she is setting up MM to be her successor. I think she wants MM to worship at her feet, as she did with Maya Angelou. Although this time, I think she believes that she can monetize MM for her own personal gain and even more power as she is ageing out of the on-air/online market.
Oprah also displays many signs of narcissistic tendencies. She adores adulation, and she thrives on having people worship her and following her every command. I think she sees MM as one way to keep herself relevant as she is nearing age 70, and that she can mold MM into a newer, even more woke and even powerful version of herself. If MM succeeds, then Oprah will feel that she has also succeeded because she would be the one who made her in her own image. Of course, in Oprah's mind, this will only happen with her blessing and guidance. That shows signs of a God complex to me.
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I agree!
At the end of the day, Harry and Meghan living in California doesn’t seem to be a big deal to the queen. I mean, ask her if she cares because the longer all of this goes on, the more sympathetic she appears to HAMS. Charles too. So if they don’t care, why should we
The blatant support for Joe Biden and the Democratic Party being voiced by Meghan (and Harry by association, including his use of the Biden campaign slogan “Build Back Better”) is not something that the Queen or Prince Charles can turn a blind eye to or “sympathize” with. Quite the opposite. I’m American, and the deafening silence from BP in response to the Sussexes’ political activism in this country has caused me to cross the line and sympathize with the Republican cause in the UK. Obviously what I think doesn’t matter because I am not a Brit, but I suspect that the tide is slowing turning in the UK the longer the Harkle travesty continues.
Oh, I so agree with you. That's why I said that Oprah is very naive in many aspects of her life. She is definitely backing the wrong horse in MM, who isn't very intelligent or even likable. And yes, Oprah would claw her way into the British aristocracy or the BRF, if she could, and she thinks MM is her way into those elite circles. This is where her naivety comes into play.
I for one doubt Meghan will ever remarry after any divorce, for that alone.
Feelings about missed posts, under attack:
I have made several posts which appeared to go nowhere in the discussion only to have someone else bring up that exact point again and the discussion takes off. I just move on. My life is too short to get tangled up in something which would make me look like I'm back on an elementary school playground.
I'm sorry that any of us feels under attack. BUT I also don't want this to be shut down because of the squabbles. So I try not to get sucked into them because I don't want to expand them even more. I like everyone here and I'm not interested in getting sucked into picking sides.
Prince Andrew stop reading if you aren't interested in that now
I think, that this is supposed to be more of JH&M discussion but I also think that there is some overlap of people behaving badly towards HM.
With that, I think that the comments about not being judged in an internet court make sense, that although he might have had an idea that something was not kosher with the young girls, I still think that he might really have told himself that they just wanted to be with him (same logic as some quite rich older men have about being with a very young woman).
Smell a rat? Back then, years and years ago? IDK. For me, I was not good at smelling them at that age. And, that kind of thing was not as openly discussed as existing back then (and when it was, it was more like inner city, not within the power movers and shakers).
And, could anyone "prove" that they know that he knew that she was being trafficked even if a gun or similar was not present? We think of motive and opportunity in crime but just having opportunity does not mean that the other is also present.
If, in her testimony, she also said, long ago and far away: Hey, I'm not here by choice ... then yeah but if she had not then, we can talk about (until the cows come home) what we each think he should have known, how stupid for him not to know and it would still be just an opinion.
I know that Epstein was known for being very good at downplaying his criminal convictions. Not like it really changed his life or lifestyle other than mainly moving to a different state. So it would be hard for someone who liked him, what he had to offer, considered him a friend, to think that actually looking into what really happened, read the court documents (what was available) to make a better decision was ... not going to happen with PA or the Clintons or a lot of other people. Think of how many times have you seen on the news someone saying that they cannot believe that this person they knew was a serial killer, rapist, and so on because this person was a friend (implied I would have known that this person was bad).
Given that he downplayed what he was charged with, how can anyone be certain what and when anyone was told? PA included?
To only go after PA, I think they might think of as an easy based on her testimony and the picture whereas a lot of the people on this side are still very public figures and maybe the prosecution may have some fears of where those rabbit holes might lead.
The clinchers I forgot:
Did she get paid?
Was she made an offer she couldn't refuse?
Employment as high-class sex worker with excellent remuneration and benefits?
Free travel?
Prospect of meeting rich movers and shakers?
Free dentistry and medical insurance?
Paid annual leave?
Free food?
Luxurious accommodation?
A contract that can be terminated by either party, with say, one months notice?
Did her employers stick to her side of the arrangement or did they renege on it?
Has she started doing a little moonlighting as an independent operator? I#m thinking blackmail.
If the promise was made but not kept, that's trafficking. If the answer to the first 9 questions turns out to be `yes' she's just a high-class sex worker.
Blogger Golden Retriever said...
@tatty
At the end of the day, Harry and Meghan living in California doesn’t seem to be a big deal to the queen. I mean, ask her if she cares because the longer all of this goes on, the more sympathetic she appears to HAMS. Charles too. So if they don’t care, why should we
The blatant support for Joe Biden and the Democratic Party being voiced by Meghan (and Harry by association, including his use of the Biden campaign slogan “Build Back Better”) is not something that the Queen or Prince Charles can turn a blind eye to or “sympathize” with. Quite the opposite. I’m American, and the deafening silence from BP in response to the Sussexes’ political activism in this country has caused me to cross the line and sympathize with the Republican cause in the UK. Obviously what I think doesn’t matter because I am not a Brit, but I suspect that the tide is slowing turning in the UK the longer the Harkle travesty continues.
August 22, 2020
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I totally agree!
95% of my posts are ignored. it was a bit annoying, especially as abby says, when some brings up the exact same point and its discused like it’s new.
but, i’m totally guilty of not calling out names myself, i wont call out names in the future.
first - wwhen i go to comment i have to scroll to the bottom and by then i’ve forgotten who posted what LOL. I have a hard enough time trying to remember hwat i was going to reply!
second- instead of calling out a name i’m posting my topic as the title. then people can choose to read the post or not.
@Magatha Your writing is brilliant and has me in stitches. Personally I like Quitter and Shitter monikers.
@AquagirlI enjoy your comments. Please don't go.
@All Nutties This is a great group and I enjoy reading all the comments so much. Very insightful. I have not commented or responded much lately, since COVID my job has been crazy busy so by the time I read there are so many comments it is hard to even get caught up much less respond. This blog has been a source of intellectual fun during this difficult time. I appreciate you all. I am currently reading Lady C's book and finding it fascinating.
Thanks to all.
As a us citizen, I do think the monarchy is important because of its heritage and identity. Among other things, the monarchy so to speak protects the very things that are uniquely British/English/Commonwealth. On the other hand, I think a monarchy is also crazy out of date. I have no horse in this race. I see both sides.
For all we know, HM sees the writing on the wall and that like other European countries, the monarchy after Charles will become mostly symbolic. Perhaps Charles’ reign will be known as a crossroads or turning point for the inevitable.
We don’t truly know what they discuss behind the scenes. For all we know, they will continue to support HAMS with a mansion, protection, bank of dad money, have a good time, enjoy yourself and make a nice life for yourself out in California— while we focus on the Cambridges and Charles’s inevitable assumption of the throne.
It’s possible. The one year time frame will be interesting, if they even choose to give anyone details on what was discussed or decided. I have a feeling the monarchy is going to privately support them financially and as a family and in public won’t comment or discuss them in any way. Like, it’s a Windor private family matter and no one else needs to know what we chose to do or not do.
Just some thoughts.... I don’t have to be right.
Enbreth.... you are right. MM may not like the laid back lifestyle. You are also right that it could get interesting if their friends start moving there.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1325436/meghan-markle-prince-harry-sussex-royal-duchess-sussex-royal-family-news-spt/amp
https://twitter.com/Rebecca00870702
warning to people - she's not wearing underwear, whoever that is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA84emVuOcA
Blogger JocelynsBellinis said...
@Musty Syphone,
Oh, I so agree with you. That's why I said that Oprah is very naive in many aspects of her life. She is definitely backing the wrong horse in MM, who isn't very intelligent or even likable. And yes, Oprah would claw her way into the British aristocracy or the BRF, if she could, and she thinks MM is her way into those elite circles. This is where her naivety comes into play.
Perhaps. She is getting older and probably wants to keep her fingers in the action/stay relevant/be seen as a potential kingmaker.
I enjoyed this piece about Meghan in Spectator.us - which, if you like intelligent commentary slightly to the right of the political spectrum, I can recommend. Three month free trial before the election! https://spectator.us/meghan-markle-duchess-sussex-voting-rights-activist/
Meghan Markle, voting rights activist
The Duchess of Sussex has some views about democracy!
The biggest voting bloc in America is that of the non-voter. As a result, most prominent calls to Americans to drop their cynicism and exercise their right to vote are welcome.
But there’s something off about the newest celebrity voice in American voting rights: Meghan Markle, the American actress who married the grandson of Queen Elizabeth II of England. She was one of the most prominent voices kicking off the launch of the 19th, a nonpartisan journalism nonprofit covering the role of gender in politics. Now she’s headlining an event with a Michelle Obama-fronted group called The United State of Women, titled ‘When All Women Vote’. Notably, when she makes these virtual appearances, she is billed not as Meghan Markle, a self-made and successful American-born woman with an impressive lifelong commitment to social causes, but as ‘Meghan, Duchess of Sussex’, a title she only has because she married a British prince.
Let’s put it this way: a woman who a couple years ago was set to take up another country’s citizenship in order to marry into its monarchy, is now a prominent voice in encouraging Americans — especially American women — to vote. To vote as a citizen of the democratic republic that was established explicitly in opposition to the reign of the royal family she once proudly joined. It’s worth noting that millions of Americans (my family included, as my last name may indicate) are only Americans because their ancestors were trying to get the hell away from that royal family’s brutal imperial antics.
Isn’t that a bit weird?
Now, after very publicly withdrawing from one Western democracy, Meghan is very publicly butting back into another. In her interview with the 19th, the Duchess mentioned that her husband has never been able to vote, citing it as an example of why no one should ever take the right to vote for granted.
If a PR consultant devised that talking point, they should probably be fired. In the US, voter disenfranchisement remains an enormous problem, from draconian state measures that strip felons who have served their time of the right to vote for life, to misinformation campaigns that attempt to convince certain blocs of voters to stay home.
The Duchess of Sussex’s husband can’t vote because he was born into money, castles, corgis, and the overwhelming burden of showing up at a lot of charity balls. There is zero comparison. I’m sure that if Harry did want to become an American citizen and start casting ballots, he could use his connections to leapfrog our labyrinthine immigration system that leaves scores of would-be eager American citizens and voters in a painful holding pattern.
The intrusion of British monarchs’ opinions into American democratic activism is made more uncomfortable by the bizarre but prominent social media undercurrent these days that promotes the idea that the American system of government is somehow worse than the authoritarian empire it replaced.
Unlike many of my peers, I was a fan of much of the New York Times’s 1619 Project (Yes! The interstate highway system was racist!), but I couldn’t wrap my head around the assertion that a major reason for the American Revolution was the idea that the British Empire was committed to abolishing chattel slavery. Giving the moral high ground to the empire that threw Kenyan citizens in concentration camps and let millions of people in India starve seemed, well, strange. Indeed, Princeton University historian Sean Wilentz has called this ‘a striking claim built on false assertions.’
Look: there is a lot that I like about Harry and Meghan, from his advocacy of the importance of mental health to her lifelong commitment to women’s causes.
But Harry and Meghan’s refusal to fully cut their ties to the royal family — a fundamentally undemocratic institution — means that the Duchess of Sussex encouraging American women to vote seems to come with an elephant in the room. Or, in her case, a corgi in the room.
If you’re going to lecture the former colonies on how they should vote, maybe at least start by dropping the imperial title. Being committed to democracy and voting rights ought to be more than just a personal branding ploy.
I’ve spent several hours researching this now, and while I can’t pinpoint one single law that says this outright, British history is long with lots of overlapping laws and customs. Even if the Queen does have the ability to remove Harry’s dukedom (which I doubt she has) she won’t. Again, it sets a dangerous precedent and looks petty and spiteful. The abdication crisis was the worst blow to the monarchy in centuries, and Edward VIII was created a Duke to keep him from meddling in British politics. The war of the Waleses was the second worse crisis, and that ended in divorce and the customary change of titles from the married title to the divorcee title for Diana, and Sarah, both of whom embarrassed the royal family far worse than Harry has. Harry is annoying, but not a threat to the royal family, and certainly not treasonous. Although if he ever does commit an act of treason, not only should he be stripped of his titles, he should be tried and punished like any other criminal. And anything short of treason is not worth Parliament’s time. The pandemic and Brexit are enough for now.
In short, I firmly believe the Queen can’t take peerage titles away, and in the slim chance she can, she won’t. If Harry is ever stripped of his dukedom, I will return here to eat a large portion of humble pie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peerage_law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titles_Deprivation_Act_1917
Not to do anything worse than what they've been doing, but if that's where the money is coming from, then what can the BRF really do? Sure, take the title away. But they can't really DO anything to them, can they, if they just keep right on using it?
The money and titles are the only weapon the BRF has against them. I think whoever provides them with the most money will get their allegiance and I am not really sure they can be made to really stop using the name, or correct anyone who does.
I wouldn't put it beyond either of them.
Harry and Meghan find inspiration in Brené: the self-help guru to the stars
The Duke and Duchess of Sussex reveal they 'adore' the TED Talk phenomenon who has become a friend
He was once known as the 'lad' of the Royal family, most at home surrounded by friends from the Army and aristocracy, and possibly down the pub.
The Duke of Sussex this week proved he has made the full spiritual transition to his new home of California, as he let slip his newfound bond with the A-list’s favourite self-help guru.
The Duke, who has recently been sporting a tan and casual clothing to suit his life in the Santa Barbara sun, disclosed he now “absolutely adores” none other than Brené Brown, the TED Talk phenomenon who has become a friend.
Dr Brown, whose many notable admirers include Oprah Winfrey, Melinda Gates and Gwyneth Paltrow, is a writer, podcaster and prolific sharer of inspirational quotes about vulnerability, courage and overcoming shame.
The Duchess of Sussex is known to be an admirer, including an article from Dr Brown entitled “Speak Your Truth. Follow Your Wild Heart" in her guest-edited issue of British Vogue.
Prince Harry, who in 2019 spoke of his daily meditation habit, this week revealed that he too has embraced her teachings, in an excitable name-drop during a video call.
For example, there are a lot of people that argue that the American Revolution or War of Independence if you prefer calling it that, was started because the British were thinking of banning slavery in their empire. The British didn't get around to banning it until 1830 which was about 50 years after the Americans broke away.
As the Sussexes spoke to young leaders during an online event with the Queen’s Commonwealth Trust, the Duke’s face lit up with recognition as one participant, the founder of Australian charity The Man Cave, quoted both Prof Brown and Tristan Harris, who runs the Centre for Humane Technology.
Speaking of the importance of young men embracing their vulnerable side as well as their traditional masculinity, Hunter Johnson quoted Dr Brown to say: “Vulnerability brings connection, and connection is why we are here.”
Smiling and turning to look at the Duchess, the Duke said: "I love the fact you're quoting Brené Brown and also quoting Tristan Harris because they are two people we absolutely adore as well, and we know." The Duchess added: "We love them!"
The couple are understood to have been in contact with Mr Harris over their mission to reshape social media into a more “positive” community, Once called “the closest Silicon Valley has to a conscience”, he has previously spoken of the dominance of technology as the most “urgent problem” facing the modern world, saying: “Never before has a handful of people working at a handful of tech companies been able to steer the thoughts and feelings of a billion people.”
Archewell, the Sussexes’ future non-profit organisation, was this week described for the first time as being intended to “build compassionate communities online and off to serve our collective wellbeing”.
Dr Brown wrote for Meghan’s edition of Vogue on a similar theme: the cruelty of online comments and the impossibility of being immune to their effects.
“The only foolproof strategy I’ve come up with so far is this: owning our story, owning what we believe, and loving ourselves is the bravest thing we’ll ever do,” she wrote. “Do the world a favour: speak your truth. Follow your wild heart.”
Prince Harry is known to have previously been upset by reading comments on online stories about himself and his wife.
The friendship provides a new insight into the Sussexes’ lives in California, where they are surrounded by a new crop of rich and famous friends far removed from their lives in Britain. Their Santa Barbara neighbours reportedly include Oprah Winfrey and Ellen Degeneres.
Dr Brown has been described as the “world’s biggest self-help guru”, with a celebrity following including Reese Witherspoon, Jennifer Aniston and Paltrow, who called her “one of the most influential people in our culture right now”.
A research professor at the University of Houston, her TED Talk on “the power of vulnerability” has been viewed 50million times, and five number one New York Times bestsellers include The Gifts of Imperfection, Daring Greatly, Rising Strong, Braving the Wilderness, and Dare to Lead.
A member of the Episcopal Church, her inspirational quotes are a favourite of Instagrammers. Offerings that may chime with the Sussexes recently include “daring leaders are never silent about hard things”, “let go of who you think you’re supposed to be; embrace who you are”, and “you can’t take criticism and feedback from people who are not being brave with their lives. It just will crush you”.
Interesting that she is an Episcopalian. That's the US version of the Church of England, of which Meg and Harry are (nominally) members.
Yes, that's the theory behind the New York Times' notorious "1619 project" mentioned in the article, which has been found to have numerous errors but won a Pulitzer this year anyway. Anyone who would like to raise their blood pressure can follow its author, Nikole Hannah Jones, on Twitter - even if you agree with her, she's pretty obnoxious.
Well, not the only weapon.
They have a lot of information on them they could release if necessary. In particular, any suggestion that Meghan had been racist or Islamaphobic - perhaps when firing Melissa Toubti? - would ruin her new "woke" persona. Homophobia would do nicely too.
And if that doesn't work, there are always additional weapons, particularly if there is a real sense that something important is at stake. Alexei Navalny is a sad example.
HRH’s are styles not titles, and yes they can and are removed, both Princess Diana and Fergie had theirs revoked after they divorced. Titles are: Duke, Duchess, Earl, Countess etc
The BRF is giving Meg and Harry space during their 1-year review.
I believe the 1-year agreement was the palace's idea to prevent Harry and Meg going rouge and depending on shady characters, ala PA and Epstein.
William is probably fully aware of how hell-bent Meghan is on ruining/surpassing he and kate's roles as King and Queen. She's practically attempting to lead a liberal movement to 'dethrone' leaders and monarchists, to then appoint herself and her husband as global king and queen. She is a crusader without a cause, except her own appointed advancement.
Honestly, Meghan hits Harry in all the right spots. It's easy to see why he follows around his dear leader. If the BRF scrubbed her past and paid off her exes (highly likely), she knows she can get away with a lot more than she ever could had they not.
I am curious as to what, if anything, The Queen and Charles will do about H&M come January/Feb.
If they fail to act in terms of complete removal from anything Royal, including Harry's place in line, then they really do not see the end game of the sociopath and her enabler.
Seriously. It won't be Meghan and harry, it will be the people around them, while letting her be the figure head she wants to be for the movement.
Those people include Nonoo, who married Mikey Hess, who is the best friend of Josh Kushner (rumored Lavender marriage, for the rumored closeted gay couple of Josh and Mikey).
Josh Kushner is the brother of Jared Kushner, Ivanka's husband (and very rich, very corrupt Kushner circle who prey on the disadvantaged).
Nonoo, and Mikey galavant with who else? A very ultra rich and powerful social circle.
Primarily-
Montecito resident Scooter Braun, manager of Bieber, and Kanye (who is obviously a Kardashian figurehead now), owner of Taylor Swift catalog. They regularly travel with billionaires David Geffen, and IAC Chairman Barry Diller (in a Lavender marriage with Diane Von Furstenburg, previous royalty herself, daughter and son are Prince and Princess).
This group is the narcissistic playfield of sociopaths. As you can see, Meghan is now their puppet to advance their power and wealth, and superceed the Monarchy.
Someone mentioned previously, about when will Meghan do a deal with someone who holds her accountable, failing to realize the group she has found herself in. They are on a global team and in completel coordination.
She won't be stopped, and the queen's failure to act in the new year will prove the Monarchy is dead before William ascends the throne. That's the end game. Meghan has pegged them as idiots, who will not see what's coming, and she may be right (hence quotes about the 'weird family').
I seriously doubt Kate would have let herself be photographed like that. Whoever used that photo is sick.
Agreed - all Royal families are.
The House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg, of which Prince Philip is a member, is one of the oldest European Royal families.
Prince Knud, a member of the family, was supposed to be the heir to the throne of Denmark in the 1950s, following his brother Frederick IX.
However, he was thought to be mentally and emotionally not up to the job, so a quick change in law was rushed in to make Frederick IX's daughter Margrethe the heiress instead.
Royalty adapts.
I thorough reading of Lady C's tiara comments make it beyond clear Meghan was denied access to any item in The Royal Collection.
Full stop.
Yes, her tiara was a fake. Again, one only needs to look at the clustered rhinestones on the side flowers and look at Queen Mary's actual tiara with the center stone and small crest to see they are noticeably different.
What a horrid Twitter account, some people must be so sad (meant in derogatory manner) and clearly have too much time on their hands. It most clearly isn’t a photo of Catherine, I don’t think she tans quite that dark and I’ve never seen her sit that way either. :o/
She was an actual kingmaker in 2008 - her endorsement helped boost Barack Obama into national prominence.
But the younger generation has no interest in her.
By the time 2024 rolls around, she will be even older, and I suspect the US presidential candidates and major influencers will be much younger. (AOC - Madison Cawthorn - Tom Cotton - Pete Buttegieg - Josh Hawley - Tulsi Gabbard - and probably a lot of people we haven't heard of yet.)
Oprah's time has come and gone, in my opinion.
I sincerely doubt she goes out with no drawers, and from what I can only deduce from the rest of her public appearances, I doubt she'd go out so sloppily trimmed if she did decide to go commando. I doubt the woman has so much as a single hair below her eyebrows.
Swamp woman, I was wondering if you are doing any prep. My concerns, of course, is rapid intensification as the gulf is very warm right now. My kids just called and cancelled me. They don’t want to leave if they don’t have to. If they are out of power, I guess they can always come up after the event.
It’s just weird that there are two storms at the same time, plus you know how they can jog back and forth in the last few days...
Like you, I am hoping for a big flop.
That wouldn't be my definition of freedom. Perhaps they need to check their dictionary.
I mean, perhaps her dress wafted up and revealed Kate's underwear, but someone replaced that with an image of someone else's crotch.
Funny that the Sussexes are interested in a "compassionate" online community.
It reminds me of that old saying "you talk most about what you don't have", ie kindness and compassion.
But whatever...what does it matter now?
Someone who knows French...how you you say “ The Shitty Mansion” in French?
And he was photographed at Eugenie's wedding, wasn't he? That was before his big stupid interview.
Could be, but she has the distinct disadvantage that nobody - nobody - seems to like her.
Even tyrants have friends.
But the younger generation has no interest in her.
By the time 2024 rolls around, she will be even older, and I suspect the US presidential candidates and major influencers will be much younger. (AOC - Madison Cawthorn - Tom Cotton - Pete Buttegieg - Josh Hawley - Tulsi Gabbard - and probably a lot of people we haven't heard of yet.)
Oprah's time has come and gone, in my opinion.
Her fall from peak popularity also coincided with her meddling in politics, IMO. I, too, believe her time has come and gone.
I wonder if they will ever occupy it. Frogmore Part 2.
Without getting political it boggles the mind dems are allowing her to publicly align.
I don't know that they ever approved it. They kept her pretty far away from their Zoom video convention. I think they know she has very little constituency.
Yes, Nono's reputation is already sullied by the fact that her ex-husband conned people out of proceeds from sales from his online art auction business, Paddle 8, which filed for bankruptcy because of the resulting lawsuit. She is ripe for being Markled, if she doesn't toe MM's line or make any misstep as far as MM is concerned.
Ellen's reputation is in the gutter right now, too.
KMC1212,
Good to see you back here again! I know what you mean about Harkle overload and needing to get away from it for awhile. I disappear sometimes for the same reason. That was a great write-up you posted today.
I know I've missed responding to people that I would like to, but we're up to 1084 comments, and it's difficult to scroll up and down to read and reply. There are some great comments here today. Wishing the best for anybody in the path the storms.
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I find Murky Meg to be well worth reading, and I enjoy her commentary. Nobody is infallible, and mistakes will be made occasionally. That's just life.
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I wanted to thank you for your comment. ;o) I did hear or read about Pitch@Palace, Andrew must have needed a lot of advice!
The Dubious Duo who are yes, far worse than Andrew (and in different ways) get worse by the day; we live in hope they will fade into complete obscurity very soon!
Pap Shot in Car
Zara Dress
The volunteers in the Baby2Baby photos probably weren't thrilled with the pair of them showing up with their photographer in tow. In one photo the two volunteers in Baby2Baby shirts look on, perplexed as she cheers with a little boy and his backpack. If I had spent time organizing something for it to be gatecrashed by her and her crew I'd be thinking, "What the hell?"
Where did they land the helicopter?
How often will she be able to pull stunts like that now in LA? Not everyone will sign the NDAs.
Yep, Oprah knows she doesn't have the clout that she once had and I think that's why she's latched onto MM, as I said upthread. And her sticking her nose into politics during the Obama years didn't help her. She had fans from both sides of the aisle, and by playing politics, she lost a portion of her fan base. She should have stayed neutral. She was just another TV star trying to push her political views (whether Obama won or not), and that rarely proves to be a positive step in the long run.
However, I think she backed Obama to keep herself front and center in the public's eye. She wouldn't have been involved if it wasn't personally advantageous for her, as most narcs do. And, she was close enough to the Obamas in Chicago that she could hitch her wagon to them quite easily, especially as a large donor and an interviewer.
Now, her reputation is being Markled.
Thank heavens for that! ;o) Looks like she’s wearing tights too, as her legs are darker than her face and arms in the original photos, but her legs are particularly dark tanned in the faked one, and very obviously the faked photoshopped bit.
It baffles me how these trolls get away with such vulgarity. I know the Sun has outed a few of them and I hope they manage to identify the culprits!!
@Nutty,
Though I'm in the middle politically preferring to be called apolitical, I enjoyed the Spectator article. Thanks for sharing :)
Dr. Brene Brown's TED talk on vulnerability is incredible. Her work on the subject, and on shame, is groundbreaking IMO. A modern and fresh approach.
She does tend to be a darling to the left which I can take or leave. Since I'm in the middle, I try to keep a balanced approach. (I remember the days when discussing religion or politics was discouraged in social settings) Now, I understand the thinking behind it...
I find it hard to understand why H&M continue on the slippery slope (as members of the RF) of so blatantly throwing their rhetoric in HMTQ's face. LCC said recently that among the Royal circles it is discussed how the RF is fine with it because it appeases the left in the UK thereby finding favor with both sides. If true, then I guess I could say I'm in good company since I admire TQ quite a bit.
Thanks for your thoughts.
I wish just one of the orgs would just firmly say to The Harkles, "Sorry, we don't have the time to accommodate your visit right now. Please call for an appointment." End of story.
That is an org that I could trust.
As for Trump and MM, Trump admits in a book somewhere he knows Ivanka attaches herself to him for her own goals. The Kushners are power-hungry liberals. So is Jared. He avoids everything but Jewish diplomacy, so he can take those connections with him when he leaves. Josh (fake-married to Karlie Kloss) and the rest are ultra-liberals with their own agenda. Champagne socialism. As long as, they are the ones profiting, and have their own rules.
MM is cultivating this crowd with Nonoo. I'm not saying I'd do the same thing, I wouldn't- I try to avoid screwed up and evil people on this planet, but I can see the allure of attaching herself further to the one group that would accept her value.
Meghan doesn't care if she has friends, she cares if she has transactional ability. Hitching herself to Harry creating transactional ability beyone age 40, something acting would have never done.
Maybe in Spanish?
La mansión de mierda 💩
Thanks, Lavender Lady!
The clinchers I forgot:
Did she get paid?
Was she made an offer she couldn't refuse?
Employment as high-class sex worker with excellent remuneration and benefits?
Free travel?
Prospect of meeting rich movers and shakers?
Free dentistry and medical insurance?
Paid annual leave?
Free food?
Luxurious accommodation?
A contract that can be terminated by either party, with say, one months notice?
Did her employers stick to her side of the arrangement or did they renege on it?
Has she started doing a little moonlighting as an independent operator? I#m thinking blackmail.
If the promise was made but not kept, that's trafficking. If the answer to the first 9 questions turns out to be `yes' she's just a high-class sex worker.
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Love the clinchers!
Have a restful night :)
Swamp woman, I was wondering if you are doing any prep. My concerns, of course, is rapid intensification as the gulf is very warm right now. My kids just called and cancelled me. They don’t want to leave if they don’t have to. If they are out of power, I guess they can always come up after the event.
It’s just weird that there are two storms at the same time, plus you know how they can jog back and forth in the last few days...
Like you, I am hoping for a big flop.
Yes, I sincerely hope that hot gulf is cooled down by the churning of the storms (which will pretty much cover the entire gulf). The two storms (well, two hurricanes) at once is going to be interesting. I'm a bit worried that the Marco may push Laura closer to Florida, but the models seem to be showing Marco pulling Laura somewhat along its path. Well, maybe I spoke too soon. Looks like Laura has pushed back this way a little bit.
We're always prepped, but we could be better; for example, we're waiting for a generator to be wired into the panel, and the grandkids have devastated our battery supply (grin).
Someone who knows French...how you you say “ The Shitty Mansion” in French?
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Le manoir de merde, Le manoir merdique
Le château à la con (château is not just a castle)
Sorry I posted before seeing your own French translation!
Does anyone have any idea what needs to be done to the mansion before they are able to occupy it?
I wonder if they will ever occupy it. Frogmore Part 2.
Without getting political it boggles the mind dems are allowing her to publicly align.
I don't know that they ever approved it. They kept her pretty far away from their Zoom video convention. I think they know she has very little constituency.
@Nutty:
Re: The new house. From the looks of the interior photos of the place, it looks like cheesy new money decor from the Russian owner. Immediately I thought, Geeze, to get it to look decent, the Sussexes are going to have to do more than change the paint color. I think they’ll have to dump a minimum of $1 to 2 million into that place. And that doesn’t include furniture. It’s not as if Meghan is going to shop at Ikea to fill that place.
I think Meghsn will spare no expense on getting that house up to the “Brand Meghan” standard. The Royal Renovation might even be part of what they’re pitching around Hollywood to produce.
After all, Meghan thought of herself as a lifestyle connoisseur on The Tig, and she had reportedly approached Gwyneth Paltrow after landing back in LA, but only got to talk with one of GP’s minions.
Martha Stewart is getting up there in years and B. Smith, the black Martha Stewart in the US, passed away earlier this year. Meghan may want to compete to be the new food and fine living queen, er fine living duchess, by essentially hawking her royal connection in the aspirational fine living market.
Meghan may use a tv show about the massive renovation to attempt to propel her and her appendage Harry to be the Chip and Joanna Gaines who branched out from fixing up houses into the Magnolia Home brand and the new Magnolia cable tv network. But Meghan would aim for the uber rich, or at least the wannabe uber rich.
Another side thought, due to the devastating mudslides two years ago, plus it being in a wildfire area, I bet the cost for homeowner’s insurance on that place is quite high.
As for Meghan attempting to attach herself to the democratic party in a meaningful capacity, I think the dems are happy to use her, but her royal title is a hindrance. I think by wanting and needing to maintain her British title, but become a heavy hitter in the Democratic Party, Meghan is in a bit of a nowhere land.
After all the bridge burning with the RF and the citizens of the UK, she will never be widely welcomed there again. But if she gives up the title, like Cinderella at midnight, Meghan instantly becomes a nobody who is stuck in limbo in the United States.
Reverting to an aging, mediocre actress will hurt her ability to become an influencer in the Democratic Party or an eventual candidate. Having a royal title and a prince for a husband is the only thing Meghan has to sell to anyone or any organization, even if Harry is still around. All Harry has to sell in the US is being a royal, and a dumb one at that, especially when compared to William.
Wish me luck ;) :)
Well, the air quality from the fires is at a dangerous level in Santa Barbara right now, and people are being warned to stay inside, especially older people and babies. Poor Archie. I would move to a safer location for the health of my baby.
https://www.noozhawk.com/article/california_wildfires_affecting_air_quality_in_santa_barbara_county
You're welcome.;-)
I read somewhere today that the area they are living in suffers from mini earthquakes all the time, that's without the mudslides and the fires!
Poor Archie, indeed! 😰
That and absolutely no one has come out to support them publicly, once.
Serena had a golden opportunity as someone with a lot of hard-earned public adoration to throw her 'friend' Meghan a bone, with a laugh and nod 'ah, it's all a big misunderstanding publicly, she'll be fine, she's kind and sweet and will be back on her feet in no time."
Beyonce made the INCREDIBLE mistake for her brand of tying herself to Meghan in her music video, and that backfired incredibly. Beyonce damaged her rep acting as if Meghan was better than her. Bizarre and funny, very unlike Beyonce.
Does anyone have a link anywhere of a KNOWN SOURCE, name and all, praising Meghan, who also knows her very well?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8654461/Meghan-Markle-ignored-advice-Camilla-handling-bad-media-headlines-marriage.html
@Raspberry Ruffle @Miggy I'm glad I could suss the disgusting photo out. Unfortunately because of how much the paps came after Kate, Rache's sugars have quite a few embarrassing pics to use and manipulate. The level of vitriol towards Kate by Rache and her sugars boggles my mind. So much for being kind, compassionate feminists.
I agree. Has anybody from the Dems actually come out and said that they want MM to back them? She was completely ignored at the convention, and probably didn't get an invitation to be a part of it, and we all know that she'd never pass that PR opportunity up.
I think she probably tried to push her way in, as she always does, and was rejected. She is too polarizing of a personality to be in the political scene. It would be political suicide for a candidate to have woke, joke, broke MM and Hapless Harry represent them in any capacity. She'll just keep squawking about politics until she loses her voice, hopefully soon.
Thank you for posting the original, as I had never seen it before.
Meg's sugars are a disgusting bunch of vermin.
There is absolutely NO EXCUSE to be that vile.
"Does anyone have a link anywhere of a KNOWN SOURCE, name and all, praising Meghan, who also knows her very well?"
Answer: Omid Scobie! Hahaha!
Good luck with the storms.
I read that, too, about the earthquakes. There were around 90-100 of them just this year in Santa Barbara county. Well, there's another reason they got a cut-rate mansion.
Can you imagine British Harry going through 100 earthquakes? Even small ones are very unsettling to the uninitiated. If he didn't have PTSD before, he does now.
@Cass
Things are pretty bad for you at the moment, but please take heart, it will pass.
2020 has to be on record as the worst year of my life too, and for many of my family and friends. But we still have each other, the rest of our lives to live when this passes, and as HMTQ said, we will meet again.
Stay strong, you will get through this.
Hugs from me too
I guess you are in CA.
Be safe.
That thought about Harry went through my mind too. I can't see him coping!
@Cass,
I'm in a similar situation to you, possibly worse, so my heart goes out to you! ❤️
"Stop The World I Want To Get Off," was a Broadway play from the early 1960s. Starring Anthony Newley, who also wrote the score and book. I was a huge Anthony Newley fan.
To my husband, children and grandchildren, neighbors, etc. I am the picture of “A STRONG WOMAN”, I’ve got this covered, I am fine, things will work out, etc. etc. But on the inside I am one quaking mass of jello, just waiting to hear one more bit of bad news before I blow!
But thank you for your kind and encouraging words! You made my day.😘
p.s. if you do not want to get depressed or more depressed DO.NOT read what the side effects and all the new symptoms they are discovering in an attempt to fight this virus.
When. this is all over, I am going to lock myself in my room and have the biggest meltdown ever!!!!!!!
Being that the Harkles home was bought from a Russian, here is 'Sh!tty Mansion' in that language:
"der'movyy osobnyak" (spelled with with the American alphabet not Cyrillic). My dad learned Russian but only taught me a few terms of endearment; never thought I'd see the day to think/say nasty things like this. :(
/hence I've been inside typing to y'all. If I could be outside, I would be, so y'all better pray for sun so that I'll go away.
I'd love to see a report on the structural foundation of their home. That thing is going to slip sliding away someday. As long as it's huge and near Oprah-that's all MM cares about.
Again, thank you everyone for your warm vibes. I know we are all suffering so my love and hugs to all of you too!
I'm half Russian and half Polish, although born and bred in the UK.
I can understand a bit of Russian and much more Polish, but like you, it's the words of endearments and the swear words that stick in my mind!
Sometimes, a good cry is the best medicine, especially for people like us who remain strong for everybody who needs us. We need that release sometimes. So, cry, honey. It will do you good, and then you'll go back to being the emotionally strong one again.
To my husband, children and grandchildren, neighbors, etc. I am the picture of “A STRONG WOMAN”, I’ve got this covered
Interesting. I hear that a lot, too, how strong I am. I'm also alone. People have no idea how much I struggle with depression. Being a strong empath doesn't help, either.
I've been taking my bike out a lot in the late evening (fewer people around). The exercise seems to help.
Your comment made me realize that maybe I should reach out to people around me who appear to be strong. Maybe they could use a kind word just like I do.
The Harkles....I just wish they would go away. It makes me so mad what they're getting by with. They're not honoring the letter or the spirit of their exit agreement. It's all about how much money they can greedily gobble up.
Their latest stunt...the charity appeared to have plenty of physical help. They didn't appear to need more hands, especially people only there a short time.
Wouldn't it have benefitted the charity more for the Harkles to make a cash donation?
What did the charity get from their stunt except bad publicity?
And disruption while they were there.
The short time the Harkles were there couldn't have done much to help. And the profit from the photos is going to the Harkles, not the charity.
Try to get your tongue round this one. LOL
Gówniana rezydencja 😂
p.s. sorry to the folks who hate things OT! I’m done.
p.p.s. You would think Oprah. might have mentioned to Vile and Bile about the the possibility of their mansion sliding down the hill in mudslides in the middle of the night, the earthquakes, fires, cost of insurance, cost of installing 20 bidet’s!!!
@WBBM, Thank you for once again sharing your scientific expertise, & causing me to look up the Anglerfish! What a great metaphor for Megs. Maybe that's what she looks like without Restylane. The male/female relationship of Anglerfish is fascinating, perhaps what 'feminists' like Megs think would be ideal.
@Swampwoman, Loved the Will Rogers definition of diplomacy.
@Nutty, along with all of your astute posts, you mentioned the 1619 Project. I think a lot of actual historians rolled their eyes at that piece of work. The author has a MA in journalism from a respectable Southern public university, but she's not an historian. The NYTimes has done some wonderful, & detailed reporting on big subjects in the past, but this wasn't an example of that. It seemed pretty subjective & shallow. A few reputable historians took a timid stab at pointing out various shortcomings in the articles, but the current political climate isn't conducive to any real pushback on subjects like this, as we all know.
I would love to know more about the NYTimes financial status, & how it bankrolls itself. It's hard to find anything in a quick search on the web, subscribers are up, advertisers are down. Subscription numbers are manipulated by discounted subscriptions, etc. It's the advertisers who're important, & they've been going elsewhere for some time. The Times seems to be trying to push virtual learning, etc. Could big tech be investing in the Times in some way? Who benefits from all of the identity politics the Times has been pushing so aggressively? Is that what upscale Millennials are buying? I'd like to see the dollar numbers which prove it.
p.s. sorry to the folks who hate things OT! I’m done.
We all go OT at times... and now more than ever we need to support each other.
I refrain from saying too much about my miserable life on here as am aware that the whole world could be watching.
I'm all cried out at this stage... but you cry if you need to. It helps. x
I am half polish (probably some USSR because you know Poland was run over so many times in conflict) but on my mother's side (not my father who learned Russian), My mother said her folks mostly spoke only Polish to each other and all she said she could remember (sadly) was the swear words. I tried to learn Polish using a book, failure was easy for me!
@Cass, Now I will have to fire up the Russian for describing the Harkles because it has such a harsh sound to it IMO. Like 'whore' = 'shlyukha' or 'blyat' for Meghan. Sorry if this offends someone. :(
It's just shitty mandion/residence in Polish.😆
Gówniana rezydencja = Guv-nya-na residen-cee-a (a as in apple)
Thanks for sharing the Spectator piece.
@? (Sorry, I can’t remember!)
She won't be stopped, and the queen's failure to act in the new year will prove the Monarchy is dead before William ascends the throne. That's the end game. Meghan has pegged them as idiots, who will not see what's coming, and she may be right (hence quotes about the 'weird family').
The one consoling thought I have is that William and Kate’s family are so grounded in the real world that they would be able to transition successfully to life outside the Monarchy. Harry, not so much.
Oh gosh, I remember that slogan being so popular in the 1970's!
and also
"Beam me up Scotty"
They both seem to be appropriate today.
cc Lt Uhura
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Yes. Well. Thanks for the shout-out. Hope all's well in Bucket-land.
Nothing to add to any discussion of the Harkles, nor, I'm happy to add, my own life.
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@JHanoi -- re: People posting things already addressed -- Not really an issue if an entire day has gone by, but sometimes it's only a few posts away on the same page. I visit Lipstick Alley quite a bit, and even they acknowledge that something may have been posted beforehand, and apologize.
I don't have such a weak view of my own self that seeing someone taking credit for my submissions actually hurts. If someone gets a charge out of seeming to be "first," okay, let them. It does seem dishonest, tho.
Yes, the borders were very confused in those days. Many Poles lived in what was the former USSR.
When my family finally settled in the UK, my grandmother in particular, was still so scared of Stalin that she banned the Russian language in the home. They spoke mainly Polish, but she would let the odd Russian word slip in here & there.
What I found amazing... was that years later when the iron curtain dropped, my family got back in touch with their long lost reltives.( some had sadly passed by this time) They would write to my mum in Russian and she would read out the letters, and for some strange reason I could understand almost all of what was said.
Weird! :)
Oh Miggy, I KNOW the feeling. 😰 If I can hang in there, you can too!!! Please....just hang on ONE MINUTE! ONE HOUR! ONE DAY AT A TIME!
That's what I'm trying to do. It's not easy!
Just saw your weather warning. Take good care of yourself. x
I am probably nightmare fuel for cass. Not only am I boarding a plane during Covid I am flying into San Francisco next week. I just heard on Detroit radio the Bay area described as "apocalyptic horror show"
Only going for a few days or I would rethink this travel. If the plane can land so do I 🙂
Stay strong!
I did look, Montecito is 4 hour drive or I would snap Nutty Blog Was Here photo at guard shack 😆😆
As a SoCal native, Nutmeg would have known all about earthquakes, mudslides, fires, etc in the area. It's a way of life over huge swaths of California. Ye buys yer tickets and takes yer chances, same as living in tornado or hurricane country.
I don't think Nutmeg brings anything to the Dems. A good politician can smell trouble; everything the Harkles touch seems to turn to merde, and that will not have gone unnoticed. They aren't anywhere near wealthy enough to be used as donors, either.
Meghan and Harry are planning a television show that takes a political stance on feminism and racial inequality
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8654733/Meghan-Harry-planning-TV-takes-political-stance-feminism-racial-inequality.html
what with covid 19 cases continuing to climb at an alarming rate in my city, the out -of-control wildfires to the right and left of me, the insane heat wave, power outages, going on 6 months quarantine all by myself in this house, children and grandchildren desperately trying to keep it together due to job losses, etc, in cities 1 - 2 hours away. Their parents exposed to the virus because they are essential workers, I wake up each morning to learn MORE bad news and I wonder if I have died and nobody told me I am in hell!
Oh, my poor dear, I do so feel for you! For what it's worth, we were all going to die in Florida a few weeks ago per the news but our cases have fallen dramatically, and we aren't locked down. Masks seem to help quite a bit. We're pretty much completely open (bars are closed). Each city or county decides mask policy (some counties have hardly any positives). The kids are going back to school (fingers crossed), so we shall see how that goes. The fires must be extremely worrisome. Daughter and son in law are essential workers; daughter in a county government job, and son in law is National Guard involved with testing the homeless and the inner city people.
Son is COVID-19 positive currently and waiting for two consecutive negative tests to go back to work. His only symptoms were a fever for one day, then extreme fatigue. He tested negative when he went to the ER as directed by his company but tested positive for antigens 3 weeks later when there was a company-wide test. Half of the employees were antigen positive. Most had no symptoms; some had symptoms that they thought were allergies.
We see the grandkids regularly. We go out regularly, masked.
I just wanted to let you know that it is survivable and that there are people out here leading normal lives in states that have had high positives (us in masks). We get our hair done, go shopping, eat out (we get ours to go). You will get through this.
@JHanoi, people ignore my postings regularly. And then someone else posts the same thing, and it's manna from heaven. I don't take it personally, but sometimes I wonder if it's because I'm not in the "In Crowd" here. Then, I realise there is no "In Crowd" ever since one particular poster has stopped coming by. Enough said.
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So, there you have it.
I am sorry but tired of reading as though women are downtrodden nothings. That is what "women's empowerment" reads to me. Maybe some ladies need that, certainly are not going to learn it from MM and more racial inequality, of course. I bet it was hatched 3am on a whim otherwise oprah would scoop up this gem for Own 🙄
From DM article "..empower women and tackle the issue of racial inequality."
I am sorry but tired of reading as though women are downtrodden nothings. That is what "women's empowerment" reads to me.
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Thanks, lucy.
Sometimes there are incredibly erudite posts that have been missed and for that I apologize.
The couple are understood to have been in contact with Mr Harris over their mission to reshape social media into a more “positive” community, Once called “the closest Silicon Valley has to a conscience”, he has previously spoken of the dominance of technology as the most “urgent problem” facing the modern world, saying: “Never before has a handful of people working at a handful of tech companies been able to steer the thoughts and feelings of a billion people.”
I have to laugh. Isnt the ability to steer the thoughts and feelings of a billion people EXACTLY what she is pouring cash into her PR for?
The hypocrisy is simply stunning.
I strongly suspect neither of the Harkles has an ounce of humour.
(Waves at @Jocelyn Bellinis, @ Wullies Bucket, and @Design Doctor) Thank you!
@Cass, @Tatty, @Swampwoman and @unknown in Destin Hugs to you all. Please stay safe.
That goes out to all Nutties.
Just for fun I reported that twitter account. She is one of those Megs thanked for the support, isnt she? Or pretending to be. odious!
I'll be your in crowd! (Most of my posts are ignored as well and I've been here a very long time, with the exception of when my computer died and I ended up having to redo all my accounts).
It’s these type of articles that fuel her! They give credence to causes that are simply not true. Any time she committed to anything, was strictly for self aggrandizement.
From DM article "..empower women and tackle the issue of racial inequality."
I am sorry but tired of reading as though women are downtrodden nothings. That is what "women's empowerment" reads to me. Maybe some ladies need that, certainly are not going to learn it from MM and more racial inequality, of course. I bet it was hatched 3am on a whim otherwise oprah would scoop up this gem for Own 🙄
I agree. Achieving women achieve. Whining women whine. Never the twain shall meet.
has a quote from a woman talking about how Harkles showed up & were there 10 minutes.
I’m sure this interesting bit of information has further endeared Harry and Meghan to HMTQ, PC, and William and Kate.
Headline from the Express today:
“Meghan and Harry accused of leaking Queen's jewels security secrets for Finding Freedom”
What more do the Harkles need to do to get the Queen so angry that she pulls their titles snd funding? Spike her tea with LSD?
Sometimes, I just post a quick list and then go back to what I was doing, so I understand why my posts get overlooked.
We all have to learn to deal with those little unintended rejections that life throws at us.
My Polish family appeared to be wiped out as only my Grandfather got out of country because he fought with the allies in WWI. My Polish Grandmother met him when he immigrated and my mother told a story that when my Grandmother would get mad at him she's yell "You Bolshevik' (which was obviously a nasty Russian thing to them). Yes, that is unusual about your language ability; maybe your a bit psychic.
@Girl with a Hat said...
"Then, I realise there is no "In Crowd" ever since one particular poster has stopped coming by. Enough said."
Ohhhhh, I can guess who that is and its not what most probably think. Lol
@To All the Nutties having tough times and facing problems:
I will say a prayer for you-all (I hope this religious sentiment does not offend).
genuinely the “strong type”
I am strong in many ways but when it comes to my children and grandchildren....being so effing helpless to do a dam thing to help, well that gets to me. My children are not the smartest when it comes to some things and of course I worry they do not take this pandemic as serious as they should!
Anyway, right after we had rioting and looting and reopening of many places a couple of months ago the virus cases spiked BIG TIME! My neighbor works at Kaiser and she said it was unbelievable how many new cases they had after a week or two of all that!
We haven’t had frozen (or fried) alligators dropping on our heads but we have things we have never had before. The lizard population is is so happy....they are ALL over the place.............I know they are harmless but they freak me out. I have a baby one who is quite bold and will sit on the rock I WAS going to paint and suns himself all day. He is NOT afraid of me and he loves it when I blast him with the water hose.
My husband does venture out for groceries, gas, supplies, etc. but I don’t go with him. I am terrified of the one lone virus spore in my city that will find it’s way into my lungs!!!!!
Having said that. Appreciate responses to my woman empowerment gripe. Thought maybe that may touch nerve but comforted by the show of solidarity 👍
BUT THIS IS A BLOG ABOUT THE HARKLES!!!!!!
Thanks.
Re: Frozen Alligators..,Ha! Ha! ha! I am in hysterics. Not to be a stickler for correctness, but it was Iguanas not alligators. Heck, if people in Florida had alligators (12 ft long or more in many cases) dropping on people they would seriously be in trouble. Although Iguanas can get long, maybe 5-6ft but not the weight of hunky alligators.
I have a gecko situation, here, with little babies like 1-2 inches long in my kitchen and bathroom. They are cute little guys!
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To amuse my co-nutties:
As far as Covid goes I feel fine, so never got tested until a few Saturdays ago. I was out for a walk and see a mobile outdoors testing unit setup. I filled out some forms. Those personnel were seated at a table with 3 --- 4ft diameter---- brand new stainless steel industrial fans behind them blowing right at me. Blowing any of my exhalations to oblivion. They were wearing PP protective plastic space suits and had industrial masks on that had two filters jutting out, like they do on serious gas masks.
They were taking no chances! lulz
I take my piece of paper to the next person. He is also space suited, says sit back in this lawn chair. Says lean back and he pokes a swab up each nostril. I am asked why I am not wearing a mask. I told him I am out for a walk and that it's ridiculous to wear one in the great breazy outdoors.
Three hours later I got a phone call telling me I am negative. So fast and efficient on their part.
Location-- South Florida
"Yes. Well. Thanks for the shout-out. Hope all's well in Bucket-land.
Nothing to add to any discussion of the Harkles, nor, I'm happy to add, my own life.
@JHanoi -- re: People posting things already addressed -- Not really an issue if an entire day has gone by, but sometimes it's only a few posts away on the same page. I visit Lipstick Alley quite a bit, and even they acknowledge that something may have been posted beforehand, and apologize.
I don't have such a weak view of my own self that seeing someone taking credit for my submissions actually hurts. If someone gets a charge out of seeming to be "first," okay, let them. It does seem dishonest, tho."
August 23, 2020 at 2:25 AM
THEN...
"So, there you have it."
August 23, 2020 at 2:42 AM
Also....
"Thanks, lucy."
August 23, 2020 at 2:48 AM
"I am a f*n woman, and NO ONE tells me what to do. This space allows too much "oh, poor me."
August 23, 2020 at 2:52 AM
The above are your posts earlier today. Just thought I would give you the Credit for your Original Contributions on the Harkle discussion right now.
Headline from the Express today:
“Meghan and Harry accused of leaking Queen's jewels security secrets for Finding Freedom”
What's worse (in a way) is if Scobie is telling the truth: that he didn't get the info directly from H&M and he had two sources for all book details. What are the chances M (or H, I guess) told only two people those security details and Scobie just happened to talk to those two? And they had such perfect recall? Zero I'd say. But then again, M's friends do seem to have perfect recall for details of M's life (including her written correspondence :-)
I would love to know more about the NYTimes financial status, & how it bankrolls itself. It's hard to find anything in a quick search on the web, subscribers are up, advertisers are down.
For this internet era the NY Times is doing just fine. Most of their revenue is from internet subscriptions taken out around the world. They also get revenue from internet advertising and from the print edition which costs much more than pre-internet.
NY Times price schedule --- https://www.nytimes.com/subscription ---- Digital only is one dollar a week.
If you have household pets, make sure they do not eat the geckos. My sister who used to live in Florida came back to Ohio after she had her first baby. They imported with them two cats They had obtained as kittens while living in Florida. The cats used to chase the geckos around and probably ate some of them. Both cats expired suddenly with sudden onset cardiac arrest within a couple years of each other. They were still young, under six. I’m thinking they might have had ingested a virus from the geckos, or some other Floridian environmental factor that attacked the cardiac muscle. It was an excruciating death in both cases and nothing could be done. Geckos are cute, but these cats picked up something in Florida that must not be indigenous to Ohio because we have never experienced that before or since With our other cats.
Harry has obviously thrown his lot in with Meg And wants to be An American Social justice warrior. Granny needs to inform him pronto that while he is a prince of the blood, he may only use the style Prince In the United Kingdom. Same goes for his ducal title. He may style himself duke of Sussex if he is resident in England, but only there. His wife forth with May call her self Meghan Mountbatten Windsor, or Meghan Wales, or Revert to her maiden name if she wishes, but only as long as she is in the United Kingdom maybe she call herself the Duchess of Sussex, or Princess Henry. These titles belong to the British crown, and have no meaning whatsoever in Montecito California. An annual stipend to cover security costs and Care for Master Archie If he exists will be decided upon by Charles, and paid for out of his personal wealth, not the Duchy of Cornwall, Since Harry neither resides in England nor does any work on behalf of the Queen. All patronages Affiliated with the crown will be surrendered and assigned to other working members of the royal family. Harry and Meg can represent any groups who will have them with the understanding that they are private citizens with no backing from the crown. If they pay off Frogmore Cottage within the review period and agree to spend a certain portion of the year resident in it, harry may retain his constitutionally mandated counselor of state position. If these terms cannot be met, he will nominate a replacement for himself and willingly renounce his place in the succession. His seat would pass to Beatrice in that case. There will be no negotiation; these are the terms. He and his wife will no longer represent the Commonwealth in any capacity.
If these are not the terms set add the so-called review, then Elizabeth is tacitly agreeing to allow her grandson and his wife to make life extremely difficult for Charles and William. If she does not do this, or Charles in her stead since he’s taking over, then I fully support a referendum for a republic if the British people are so inclined
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I have family in Alabama at the Gulf. I'm so over these hurricanes. They've lived there for generations and only went inland one time and were almost killed by the tornadoes. The hurricanes are so scary, but what scares me the most are the tornados. My thoughts are with all of you.
If only what you set forth as the terms of the Harkles going forward came true! I am thoroughly confused as to what the Queen is doing (or not doing) and her goals. Is Charles in agreement?! I rather think William would handle things differently, but as we know he does not have the power. I fear the damage it is doing to the monarchy although admittedly its not my country and I don't have a dog in the fight. The 12 month review period can't come soon enough!
I don't know why they bother me so very, very much, as all my life I have never ever followed celebrities, never watched movies because of the stars or followed TV shoes for the same reason. But this whole story from before the wedding captured my interest and soon enough I quickly saw she was a bad fit and I questioned Harry's reasoning for picking Meghan. I started reading Skippy's blog, so my interest turned to addiction. I wanted Meghan to be outed for the schemer she was, then I eventually learned more about Harry mostly from info from the RoyalGossipForum blog then this blog (and info provided by Nutties such as articles). Perhaps I have some inexplicable fascination with royalty and in particular the BRF. But I don't have the extant depth of facts, the ability to put the pieces together to formulate analysis and come to conclusions of thought like you and so many others. I rely on the deep thought many posters have on the subject and in particular I really am impressed with your extensive grasp of facts, the ability to formulate cogent analysis, discussion and conclusions. I just wish the Queen had advisors who could put forward the solution as you stated. But the Queen (and Chas.) will need to accept a hard line position. Christmas will come January 2021 if the Queen does all you envision as a remedy.
OT Alert:
Thanks for the info on gecko danger. I immediately looked it up and saw they can carry dangerous forms of bacteria, and as we know, bacteria sometimes can affect mammalian hearts (e.g. humans can acquire Endocarditis. sometimes fatal from a bacterial infection). Luckily my 11 yr. old 'indoor' cat can't catch anything. However my brother says the feral tomcat outside has been known to catch the geckos on occasion. Not much I can do about it. But you are probably right something environmental is a plausible cause of the two cat's death. How sad but again, would have been hard to prevent.
How is returning to school in the time of coronavirus going for y'all up there? Georgia ain't doin' so good. I hope we'll do better; then I look at all the people not doing any social distancing or wearing masks, and those are just the teachers and admin in pre-planning.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8644375/Meghan-Markles-designer-best-friend-Misha-Nonoo-looking-buy-mansion-Montecito.html
They have shut down Chapel Hill mostly to virtual only as well as a few other Unis I believe, and we are county by county with HS and under, some virtual some not. My friends are going nuts that have younger kids and some are actually paying teachers to teach them in groups of ten and under. I've had parents ask me to come back as well, but Im not sure I'd have the patience anymore. lol.
I believe Ala is going back to in school learning as well. I know some teachers down there are unhappy about it.
Be safe! We also have a fifty foot pine in the back yard. Only tree that scares me. I've lost six trees in the last three years and not one of them a pine though. So, for the rest of this season we will stay at a big hotel during the worst of it and come back to the house when it's over. Hurricane Esaias hit us hard as we got the front end of it as it came in below us. They were tracking twisters a mile from us for over three hours. So scary as we don't have a basement.
Sorry to everyone for going OT.
As most here know, Mr. Nonoo is oozing inherited oil wealth. Must be via trust funds from Grand Daddy, who started Hess Oil Corp. The Nonoos can sell in LA and buy in Montecito without a bothersome after thought.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/9970613/mikey-hess-oil-tycoon-misha-nonoo-rome/
Mikey Hess-Nonoo - "The entrepreneur has also worked in finance, holding positions in investment banks KKR & Co and Goldman Sachs."
"The Hess family are said to be worth a staggering $1.9 billion.
Mikey's grandfather started the Hess Oil and Chemical Corporation - and his dad, John B. Hess is now the CEO."
"Misha Nonoo married Mikey Hess, heir to the oil and gas Hess Corporation, in a ceremony at Villa Aurelia, Rome on September 20, 2019, followed by a reception at Cinecittà film studios."
Of course, Harry would not want to give up His titles or his place in the succession. Even though he’s run away from his real family, taking a dump all over his grandmother, father and brother, and announced that life in the royal family was just way too burdensome, his identity as Prince Henry of Wales and now the duke of Sussex, number six in line is all he knows.? He has not got a single other skill or talent to make him even employable, never mind special. He and Meg seems to share a profound disconnect from reality which does not allow them to except that it’s impossible for them to publicly renounce the royal family, Calling it a toxic racist institution, And refuse to represent it or do the bare minimum amount of work for it, while at the same time cashing in on their noble titles and standing in a foreign country, and expecting the crown to pay all of their bills. And yet, this seems to be exactly what is underway.
Any of us out here in the real world would be capable of understanding that if we issued a manifesto on the Internet financing or employer as a horrible toxic bully, and tendering our resignation forth worth, that we could not also expect to retain Our full salary and expense accounts, health insurance, travel allowance, etc. in exchange for telling our boss to F off and doing absolutely no work for the organization. Harry and Meghan quit; There have to be consequences for that or the world will know that the queen has lost her marbles. As a loving grandmother, she’s offering her renegade grandson and his caustic wife continued housing in a listed home and an invitation to visit any time. She’s offered them money for expenses even if they’ve flown across the ocean. Harry chose to leave, so in exchange he hast to give up some thing. Anyone who announces the United Kingdom so publicly as he does not deserve to represent it, Status of birth or not. It should’ve probably present it to him last year that if he insisted on going to North America with his wife and making that his primary residence, Having quit the firm, that he could not very well be a councillor of state anymore Or retain any attachment to Royal charities. This was untenable. There may be no real point in revoking his place in line; Now that William has three heirs, Spots in the succession for him and his son who may or may not exist are basically just on paper only. However, the threat of removing him from the succession Since he is consorting with an American and refuses to represent Crown interests, Might have brought home to him the reckless finality of what he was proposing to do. The Sandringham summit was needlessly convoluted in my opinion. Harry should’ve been told: look, if you want to be prince harry, Duke of Sussex, and sixth in line to the British crown, you must stay here and work for Granny. You are free to choose otherwise, but if you want to be a regular American guy campaigning for American politics, you cannot be Royal. You were either with us or you are with her. If you choose her, then you do everything the American way; No titles, no place in the succession. You say you hate all of this and you don’t want it...Or do you want it? It Hass to be choice a or B it cannot be both.
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I'm very puzzled about the whole thing. Perhaps the lack of action is because the Harkles are merely a pimple on the world's behind in the way of problems and there are much bigger things coming down (which is in itself quite scary). Maybe the RF really is honoring their agreement with the dastardly duo and will kick their formerly royal backsides firmly out the door because of the way they've behaved at the end of the agreed-upon time period. Maybe they're waiting for the Harkles to continue to expose themselves to the world. I don't know.
I do think it is Charles' responsibility, though.
She could have her own “Goop”
Megs “Poop”
Dipstickque Candles - smells like my Aromatic’arse
Megs toilet water
Eau de Ordure
For the Russians Dukhi iz Der’mo!
I could be very wrong, but that's what it seems like to me.
They have come to believe they are bigger than the institution itself, that the people serve them, and not the monarch serving the people.
Meghan was loaned Wallis's death wagon to haul her carcass to the wedding, and the pair of them were sent to live in a place that overlooked Wallis' grave. Someone in The Firm has a delicious sense of humor.
They probably took her down to where they store the table settings.