Could it have been only a year ago that Meghan guest-edited the vaunted September issue of Vogue UK?
Yup - it was the September 2019 issue of Vogue, Meg's "Forces for Change" issue. She was so pleased with the issue that she handed out notebooks embossed with the Forces for Change message, accompanied by handwritten notes in her trademark dreadful calligraphy.
Fast forward twelve months - past a messy departure from the UK and a festival of lawsuits against the media.
Today the September 2020 issue of Vogue UK hit the stands. It focuses on Black activism, with a fold-out cover featuring 18 faces of influential Black celebrities.
Meghan, apparently, is not among them.
Ed Enninful used to love Meg
Has Meg fallen out with Vogue UK editor Edward Enninful? This time last year, Enninful was calling his co-operation with the Duchess "a special time in his editorship."
In a video clip that accompanied the 2019 issue, Ghana-born Enninful emotes, "I remember walking into Kensington Palace and I was so excited. And I was like, 'Lovely to meet you, duchess." And you were like "Call me Meghan."
Enninful doesn't seem so star-struck any more. In fact, he was recently quoted busting up Meghan's favorite narrative by saying that he doesn't feel that criticism of her was due to racism.
"She did get a very unfair treatment, I thought," Enninful told SkyNews last week. "It was harsh, it was harsh. But I wouldn't just blame it on racism."
That's rather unhelpful, at least from Meg's point of view, because the idea that Britain rejected her solely because she is (a little bit) Black flavors all of Meghan's multiple lawsuits and much of her publicity.
Portraying herself as a victim of racism is also Meg's best hope for US-based celebrity in a time when racial tensions have proven very profitable for the media.
Not really an activist
Anyway, Meg's apparent absence from the new September Vogue does make sense, because she isn't really a Black activist.
Arguably, she's not an activist at all, just a follower of the cause of the week. (Speaking of which, there have still been no arrests in the Althea Bernstein case, and apparently no new information over the past three weeks either.)
But it raises a bigger question - now that Enninful appears to have moved on, precisely who is still in Meghan's corner?
Bad news for celebrities who back Meghan
A year ago, Meg still had the support of celebrities like Ellen DeGeneres and Jessica Mulroney, both of whom have had their own falls from grace since then.
Serena Williams, who is currently preparing for the US Open tournament beginning August 24, wasn't pleased with Meg's stoned-looking appearance at the 2019 Open, which included an incident in which Meg apparently showed her panties to Serena's husband.
It's a good bet that Meg won't be welcome in Serena's box at this year's open.
Even Oprah, who has been in the news recently talking about racism, doesn't seem to be in Meghan's corner any more. The last statement Oprah made about the Sussexes - defending their decision to leave the Royal Family - was in January.
Are there any powerful people still backing the Duchess of Sussex?
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Wow what weird news. I don't think Meghan has the skills to be a talk show host and seriously doubt the producers would consider her. I'm thinking she might score a guest spot on a talk show possibly. She is really a 'one-trick pony' (or maybe a one trick donkey/ass more like it).
Then her likelihood of being a speaker at the DNC is really far fetched. She has no political cred to qualify her to achieve such a high profile spot. It would be a truly stupid mistake On the event organizers to let her take up any screen time on such an important event. If the Dems want to waste their hugely significant convention on a verifiable laughingstock of a human who has nothing to offer whatsoever then they are in a bigger morass than they realize. She has nothing to say or offer to the rank and file democrat public and surely the candidates wouldn't want to be associated with such a negative person with enough baggage to fill a cruise liner.
I can see them wanting to attend a sporting event and that is neutral enough to get them some lukewarm publicity, except it appears the teams are going to play their games without the public in attendance (from what I have read but I don't know all there is on the issue). Funny thing is, Megsy doesn't come across as the 'sporting type' so it would really benefit harry more I think.
Not having been a follower of these blind gossip pronouncements I don't know how much truth there is, but I guess Meg could be trying to achieve all three...since nothing else is working for her. I find it so funny that absolutely nothing is working out for her and Harry...zip, zilch, nada!
Thanks for the update.
Apparently they want to "take a knee" at the sporting event they attend, for nothing but attention, of course.
I'm starting to get Markle fatigue.
Tyra wasn't good because she wasn't good at making small talk and filling the gaps in the conversation. I supposed it takes a certain type of training but also some good general knowledge and an interest in the other person and their background.
I don't own a television so I don't know how Tyra is doing on the shows she hosts. These shows have a different format so her lack of rapport with people is not so obvious.
Can you imagine Prince Harry taking a knee during the USA national anthem? I’ve seen players in the English league taking a knee before games thanks to hubby. Still, something about Harry taking a knee makes me uncomfortable.
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Poor, poor Megsy. (hahahahahahaha!!!)
Thanks for linking to the Fame Vixen video. Her analysis was excellent, and like many of the YouTube commenters, I had to wonder how I hadn't picked up on half her fakeness, the first time around. (I did think she was full of it when she said she had never heard of Prince Harry -- and "Is he nice?" became a running joke among my friends and me for months -- but there was still so much I missed!)
I just rewatched the Bombard's Body Language video on the engagement interview to see why she didn't notice the same tells. Bombard only analyzed a few moments out of the interview, but concluded at the end that she really liked Meghan and was happy that good things were happening to a good person. To be honest, it was Bombard's approval of her that kept me from joining Megxit for as long as I did.
I look forward to the second half of Fame Vixen's analysis.
Thanks. Wow, no one wants anything to do with her. Warner Bros, Netflix and NBC.
They are circling the drain.
@Lt.
Thanks. Wow, no one wants anything to do with her. Warner Bros, Netflix and NBC.
They are circling the drain.
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Terribly sad, don'tcha think?
Of course, all those meanie executives must be R**IST. Only explanation.
*grin*
That IS interesting tea!!
I can totally believe she wanted to do "The Tig" as a reality show for Netflix.
She wants to be paid to live a luxury lifestyle - that's her prime motivation.
@Girl
Circling the drain for sure! Only scum left hanging around there and that's who she'll end up trying to partner with.
Charade, thank you for monitoring while Nuttie was on vacay. Great job!
I enjoy all your post, gives me lots of perspectives, I agree with so many if you. Thank you for allowing me to be a nuttie!
Ooooh, that's some scalding hot tea!
I wonder how much of it can be traced to the embarrassment of Jennifer Meyer. It seemed like just a bit of egg on Meg's face at the time, but it could have been the most decisive chess move played by Buckingham Palace. There's no way Meghan's coming back from having offended someone with contacts that high up in the studio system!
Thanks Nutties, my pleasure.
Just having fun whilst suffering megxhaustion! 😊
@Girl With a Hat
She’s good at taking the knee, her speciality 😉
@SwampWoman
I’m ex Army also, totally agree NCOs
run the military 👍
I saw a couple of episodes of Tyra's talk show. The problem wasn't just Tyra as a host, but the whole production package. First off, she was really shallow as an interviewer -- uninterested in going deeper with her guests. I suppose a producer could have addressed this by giving her question cards and insisting that she stick with a script. But given the topics the show chose to highlight, it seemed shallow from the beginning. I have no idea what the unifying vision for it was.
@Starry -- Yes, our Madam needs to live in the style to which she's become accustomed -- provided the Bank of Charles holds out ;) And she figures, if the Tig worked out online, why not on the small screen? Too bad no one is biting!
@Magatha Mistie -- I knew @SwampWoman was Navy, but didn't know you were military as well, much less Army like me -- oooh-ah!! :) Yes, NCOs always say, "Sir? Don't call me Sir, I WORK for a living!"
Good point about Harry maybe trying to get on corporate boards for money. But I thought when folks without knowledge/expertise were appointed to those boards it was because they had connections and potential influence. I don't think anyone believes Harry does. Also I'm still confused about his visa situation re: being able to earn money in the US.
Interesting that studios and such were already rejecting them in March. Before the Zoom calls and BLM adoption?
In old days, they used to refer to stars past their prime as 'box office poison.' Does that make the Harkles a 'global poison-demic'?
Jennifer Meyer is a jewelry designer whose father is an NBC executive and the former CEO of Universal. She used images of Meghan wearing her jewelry on her social media accounts, and Buckingham Palace made her take them down, saying she was in breach of a non-disclosure agreement by using a royal in advertising. Since there was probably a private merching deal in the background, that would have been very professionally embarrassing for Jennifer.
@ Lt, Thanks for the link. Pinched this from one of the clever twitters (sorry I never know whether to name people if I recycle a quote, but thank you).
...Honestly I wish they’d both go into the witness protection program! Never to be heard from again!...
Made me laugh and may be the only solution.
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OOOh, ouch! The burn, it hurtssss! Hahaha! Of course, the Harkles are little better than mobsters themselves, so witness protection makes good sense :)
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Miz Malaprop said...
Thanks Lt. Nyota Uhura
Interesting that studios and such were already rejecting them in March. Before the Zoom calls and BLM adoption?
In old days, they used to refer to stars past their prime as 'box office poison.' Does that make the Harkles a 'global poison-demic'?
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Heh-heh-heh!! Very punny -- And clever!
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@Enbrethiliel -- Ah, that makes sense. I'm guessing Ms. Meyer, growing up in extreme privilege in the Hollywood hothouse, is every bit as much a mean girl as our Megs. I could be wrong, and actually hope I am. But catty tit-for-tat games between them seem all too possible. Tsk-tsk, Meggy, it's not nice to fool with Father Entertainment Executive!
Am I the only one who has been dreaming of a new life since this pandemic began? Priorities!
Meghan thought Hollywood would be having bidding wars for her, but it seems all she’s getting is crickets.
@Lt Nyota
We’re in good company then 😘
I think @Britannia, she hasn't posted for a while,
is also ex WRAC like me.
@Lt Nyota
I’m ex Royal Signals (communications)
Princess Anne is our Commander in Chief.
She’s held that role for years,
inspected my old regiment over thirty years ago
If BP were so concerned, it seems odd that Catherine Zoraida of London has been permitted to advertise her designs "As seen on HRH The Duchess of Cambridge" for years. (Admittedly there aren't pictures on the website of Kate wearing the designs.)
https://catherinezoraida.com/collections/earrings/products/gold-fern-drop-earrings
@Lt. Nyota Uhura: Excellent tea on Mayhem’s efforts to snag some work. Hollywood is already full of narcissists, so it’s not as if they’re seeking an aging, actress whose talent is mediocre at best with a victim mentality who has a penchant to sue at the drop of a hat.
Meghan thought Hollywood would be having bidding wars for her, but it seems all she’s getting is crickets.
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Yes, alas -- and she's finally found the immovable object that will stop her unstoppable force. Can't throw tantrums to get your way in Hollywood! (Well, not if you're Megs, that is, a blight on the market)
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Magatha Mistie said...
@Lt Nyota
We’re in good company then ��
I think @Britannia, she hasn't posted for a while,
is also ex WRAC like me.
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Good to know! Of course, if MM were a real feminist, she'd have arranged tours to visit WRACs and throw bananas at them, or something, to prove her bona fides -- but something tells me they'd run her out of town on a rail ;)
MM - DNC what is she hoping biden will pick her for his running mate ? hahahaha. but i wouldnt be surprised if the DNC lets her speak. she a celeb and they celebrities. plus JCMPH adds the tarnished royal sparkle dust.
MM - kneeling big event. heck that could be rolled into the dnc event. I have a hard time understanding JCMPH’s role in kneeling. MM i get, but JCMH? its the US anthem, out of courtesy i would think he should just stand? or maybe stay seated? if he’s going to kneel it would be for god save the queen, wouldn’t it? but i’d find that horribly offensive considering its granny.
Megs and bona fide,
nah, bone fiddler more her style!!
IMHO, Jennifer Meyer is quite untalented. Her jewelry looks as if it could’ve come from Claire’s, but with a much higher price point. If it weren’t for her family background and her friendships with celebs such as Jennifer Anniston, she wouldn’t even be on the radar.
@Lt Nyota
I’m ex Royal Signals (communications)
Princess Anne is our Commander in Chief.
She’s held that role for years,
inspected my old regiment over thirty years ago
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Wow, how very cool :) Of all the Royals, the Princess Royal is exactly who I'd want for my CIC.
Me, I was a journalist in the Army (still am), and my CIC was a General Somebody, can't remember his name, *sigh* BUT, my immediate commanding officer, Lt. Col. O (name initialized for privacy), was the BEST. He was an infantry long-range recon officer in Vietnam, the guys who'd live in the jungle and eat off the land for weeks at a time. He and his platoon got ambushed by the N. Vietnamese Army, tried to hide underwater in a rice paddy, and the NVA threw grenades in after them. Blew out my boss's eardrums. When he got stateside, living in base housing, he had tinnitus, terrible ringing in his ears. His neighbor's dog wouldn't stop barking, so he attacked the neighbor and nearly killed him. End of infantry career, so they stuck him in Public Affairs (where all us journalists wound up as well). My colleagues and I used to go bowling on post at least twice a week, where the beer was 50 cents a pitcher, and have a grand old time -- and Lt. Col. O would be right there with us, even tho "fraternizing" with enlisted was verboten. He came to every party we threw, too. Sadly, he has gone to his reward. Miss him to this day.
Anyway, sorry for going so far OT! Nutty has been nice about it, but don't want to tax her patience!
To get back on topic -- I can kind of, sort of understand Harry's love of the military. It truly is an experience like no other. But even tho he was protected from real harm, if he could have stayed in, he'd have been a lot happier. Seems to me I remember reading something dodgy about his leaving the service, but don't want to be pinned down on that. But at any rate, he blotted his copybook for good when he snubbed his own Royal Marines for some stupid play, and to corner the Disney executive begging for MM to get a job. I won't forgive that.
They know they cut it and she’s gone. Ticking clock.
are Sunshine Sachs trying to undermine the BRF with claims of not repenting over their involvement in the slave trade etc?
https://twitter.com/Crystal96867741/status/1291906175731032064
are Sunshine Sachs trying to undermine the BRF with claims of not repenting over their involvement in the slave trade etc?
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Like the tweeter said, it has MM's hands all over it. Jeeze, just when you thought she couldn't sink any lower.
*Sigh* On that note, must bid Nuttydom good night -- will catch up tomorrow.
While I'd like to think BP was responsible for the hoopla over picture of on J Meyers site, I'm not convinced that's what happened. I truly wonder if M didn't cut off her nose to spite her face on that one.
What do you think happened? (I hope that doesn't come across as curt. I'm really wondering what your interpretation of that brouhaha was.)
I think BP was very clear that the images on Meyer's social media were the problem. So Catherine Zoraida has some wiggle room on that.
@Aquagirl
I just showed my fashionista mother and money-savvy sister images of Meyer's designs and asked them to guess the prices. When I revealed the actual numbers, Mom and Sis howled at the thought that someone would be asking for so much money in exchange for so little originality and style! It was like The Price IS Right, except the title would have to be The Price Is Wrong! But they did admit that if the same pieces had been seen on Jennifer Aniston, et al, that would justify the higher prices. So it really is all about contacts, contacts, contacts!
@Jdub at 4:53. I had the same thought re Doria being paid. One of the books or leaks or something (shortly before she was shown to "live" at TP house) said that she was being paid or had an allowance or... All I know is she quit her job right at the time of the wedding and hasn't worked (except occasional yoga classes) since. She is too young for government pension, never worked a job long enough to have a company pension, and appears to have always had low paying jobs. So I ask myself how she is able to quit work (two + years ago) and survive much less thrive? And the medical insurance is a very, very good point.
@Jhanoi at 5:01. If she did speak at the DNC that is -- holy cow! -- so political for a royal to do. Supporting a party or candidate (using your royal status) in another country. They do that and the year trial period should be null and void and they are off the bank of pa and out the door on their own permanently. Same with taking a knee.
Finally, does anyone else think Michelle Obama probably feels like she's being stalked (because she is)?
@Puds
Cheers! I was told I was a good leader,
but, I tended to lead them astray 😉
Re: Doria
I've long thought that she was on Meghan's payroll -- to keep quiet about everything she knows. Making her the nanny seems like a way to explain why she's getting regular payments.
"What do you think happened? (I hope that doesn't come across as curt. I'm really wondering what your interpretation of that brouhaha was.)
I think BP was very clear that the images on Meyer's social media were the problem. So Catherine Zoraida has some wiggle room on that."
Perhaps.
While the BP request was purportedly to remove the "images" because they could be "damaging for Meghan and the Royal Family," frankly, it's hard for me to believe the only kind of "advertising" using a member of the RF that could be damaging would be advertising containing images. That makes zero sense. It seems to me writing (in effect) "Royal X likes our stuff. Buy it!" is also as potentially damaging as an image.
You asked what I thought. Well, I wonder if M didn't have a failing out with Jennifer OR felt Jennifer was interfering with M's general merching (because they didn't have an agreement for J to use M) so the "big guns" were called in by M. And the big guns didn't realize what they were being used for.
I may be completely wrong. But I find it hard to believe M knew nothing about it and had nothing to do with it. Short-sighted if she did do it but I don't think any of us think M is all that careful about considering the future effects of her actions.
Yes, you are right. There was a mention in one the the lawsuits of the Harkles renting the mansion in Vancouver, British Columbia. It also had nothing to do with David Foster and Katherine McPhee. Tried to find that article but unsuccessful.
However, Meghan is far too fake to be able to pull off hosting a talk show, and if things were toxic for the people who worked on the Ellen show, think of how horrible it would be for people working on a show starring Meghan. Shudder!!!
As far as speaking at the Democratic National Convention, she’s irrelevant. Yes, she is a US citizen, but the dumb twit also holds three royal titles from no less than the UK Queen. Split allegiances anyone?
And the third item she allegedly is thinking about: Having her and Harry attend a sporting event or other public event and both of them taking a knee for the US national anthem?
First of all, it’s not likely there will be any big sporting or other public events soon for a stunt like this to be able to take place. Well, I take that back, the 81st annual Sturgis Motorcycle Rally in Sturgis, South Dakota is going to happen this year, where 250,000 people are expected this year, despite the pandemic.
Somehow, I don’t think one of the largest motorcycle events in the world would give a warm reception to a pair of grandstanders like the Harkles, so they will have to wait for a better event.
Actually, I think if they tried this at any public event, it could be enough to push the Queen to remove their titles and cut their funding. I think the public repercussions would be severe. Who do these two think they are coming to the US and showboating like that purely for publicity?
It would embarrass HMTQ, PC, and William to have members of the RF (even if it IS the Harkles) pulling a stunt like that. Yes, they’d get coverage for sure, but as with the Finding Freedom book, it would likely backfire on them, but this time with a huge possibility of severe ramifications from the RF.
Harry mentions saving his family.
After all the firings of the nannies, this leads me to believe the 'real story' was Meghan's post partum mental health issues and her parenting being called into question. The baby was less than 6 months old when they made the 'break' for it.
Nothing else adds up unless she was having some SS involvement, of which we would never find out as that is private.
So she and Harry fled to USA where such involvement doesn't really exist, unless you live in a crack house with a kid.
This is one reason I think the BRF is playing nice. I think they are aware Meghan's issues run very deep, and Harry is down the rabbit hole with her.
No other 'narrative' fits. They've been skirting around the mental health thing and only after the baby was there a major catalyst.
The smart thing would have been to stay in the RF for a number of years, of course. Everyone knows this.
So we are watching a highly delusional meghan try to salvage the situation with every favor and free ride now that the baby is a bit older. Of course she thought she was the next Grace Kelly. She is insane. She sold harry on Lies and insanity and he is a codependent mess himself.
All of this reminds me a bit of Britney Spears. She had trouble after kids, obviously a bit more psychotic in nature and less neurotic, but Meghan's public embarrassment isn't going to end. She's just been running from it all.
Thanks for your reply!
Given what we know of Meghan's vindictiveness and impulsivity, her using the Palace for a personal strike against Meyer does also seem plausible. Though if she were the main mover here, I'd say it was more of Meghan's throwing a friend under the bus in order to make herself look good. A fake show of good faith, in effect. "See? I can't possibly be merching if I'm complaining that someone is using my image!" It's also something BP could have done very, very quietly (especially if they knew that Meghan and Meyer were friends). Making a big splash in the tabloids is more Meghan's style. Not to mention ghosting people she thinks she's now too big for. Whoever made the move, though, I still think it was the most decisively damaging one, whether or not anyone realized it at the time.
You also make a good point about Zoraida's use of a royal in her advertising. I entered her name into Google and the copy that showed up underneath the link to her Web site was: "Catherine Zoraida is a contemporary British luxury jewellery boutique, with designs famously worn by Kate Middleton - HRH the Duchess of Cambridge." Eeek!
Would you know if anyone raised this issue at the time of the Meyer fiasco?
I think so, too. She was already nuts and the pregnancy sent her over the edge.
Think of the look on those two staffers' faces when she was at the polo match.
I firmly believe that she was in the midst of a mental health episode that day. Which would also explain Catherine staying far away from mm that day.
Also agree that's why the BRF is still playing somewhat nice. Keeping it professional, all business, by the book so to speak.
Re: Taking a knee, not to get off topic, but I am totally against it, in any way, shape, or form. My grandfather, my father, and now my two oldest nephews have served in the military. My oldest nephew was in the Marines, and is now out. His brother is in the Navy. Almost died a few years ago (can’t say where as it would give too much personal information) and now, to my great relief, he just returned from a deployment in the Middle East. He’s only 25, but it seems as if he’s been in forever (it’s been about 6 years.) He is supposed to be out in April 2021, but may get out a few months sooner. His original goal was to return to college (he went to college for a year before enlisting) but now he’s decided that he wants to train to fight wild fires. He told me that he just wants to lead a ‘simple life.’ Good for him. We have had so many intimate conversations about how he is completely willing to die for his country while in the Navy, and now, perhaps in the future as a firefighter. His brother told me the same when he was in the Marines, and my grandfather and father were two of the most dedicated men that I’ve ever known. So for anyone who wants to ‘take a knee’ during the National Anthem, I say FU. Express your feelings and beliefs in another forum.
I can't come up with another rational reason for their irrational quick temper behavior. They are subject to all the same things as normal people, even with the glitz and glam.
She's a morally corrupt individual, add in severe mental health concerns and here we are. Evil and Ill.
How else can we explain their lack of sightings, lack of archie publicly, no nanny and just Doria, Doria at all, running back to the USA, the extreme victim complex, the LAWSUITS that don't make any sense, the extreme money spending, the trips to the USA right after baby (Serena), Harry being dishelved, and the care and concern of the BRF (letting Meghan just run out of gas). At a certain point, there really is a problem and it isn't just a lack of character.
Did she carry Archie or not doesn't really matter, the presence of a 'whole' individual would send any Narc into a spiral trying to control the situation.
It's obvious Meghan cannot handle whatever she got herself into and she wasn't raised with consequences.
I do think Meghan is wildly insecure with Prince Harry around -any- other women. She really lacks in the attractive department and the women in those circles are normally stunning.
I do not feel she would be welcome to speak at Democratic convention. She is toxic and TPTB have to know this. Michelle Obama has distanced. I also recently read her sharing she is suffering from "low level (or low grade) depression" a grand opportunity to team up with Harkles but again, toxic and I believe that cause was so last month for them
Talk show host is fail as she would not want to promote anyone/thing but herself
A "live action" Tig would actually be her best shot, I can see freebies galore with tremendous merching. However the "travalyst angle" shoots down her ability to jaunt off to luxurious ports of call
BLM never embraced her and I am sure inquiring minds would circle back to Althea and no one obviously wants whatever that was to be public. Furthermore IMO this taking the knee is offensive. BLM jumped the shark . I find it laughable to see these multimillionaires on their knees in their Nike suits. Nike is produced by people making pennies to the dollar, who are the oppressed?
Both live in the US, and both drove. One is single and lives in NY. The guy that she’s dating needed to go to Michigan on business and she went with him. For her, it was sort of an ancestry.com trip. There was a side of her family that she never knew, and she researched them and found their graves. I was shocked to hear this, as we’ve been friends for 10 years and she never mentioned them. And then I received a beautiful photo of her sitting in the grass next to her aunt’s grave. As I keep saying, people’s priorities are changing. My other friend lives outside of DC and drove to South Carolina with her husband and 2 kids. I don’t really know the details, because she’s busy with her husband and kids and is driving back tomorrow. But this is a professional woman, similar to me, who would normally get on a plane in an instant. People’s habits and priorities are definitely changing, but not in the way that Travalyst would hope.
It is my belief, for Meg, that she had no greater platform than being a part of the Royal Family! But it was not enough! It is brutally obvious she forever wanted to bring "her show" back to the US and stick it to anyone who ever wronged her. What a grave miscalculation of ego
I would love to roadtrip across the US! *waves to your friend who passed through Michigan*
My sister, who lives in CA and works at a school, sent me an article about the huge increase in cases in LA County yesterday morning. 54% of the new cases are people under the age of 30. Later that same day, she was notified that she had to return to work today. Less than 24 hours notice. She returned today, and was told that she will only be working two days per week. She is not an employee, she’s an independent contractor and doesn’t get paid if she doesn’t work.
This is the hard reality for so many people in the world. Even the 20-somethings in NY have left to move back home with their parents. JH & MM have absolutely no clue as to how most of the world really lives in this current reality.
@WildBoar
For our Colonel Bogey song:
Harry really loves his Megs
Despite her having legs like pegs
Nutmegs bends her bow legs
Whilst just Harry sits up and begs
Bend it like Megham!
Could this be her next starring role? Poor David and VB. She’s going to harass them even more if she indeed reads here! No wonder they’re building a gatehouse and other fixtures at their country property in the Cotswolds. Is the proposed lake so that she can drown if she dares to set foot on the premises? Will she crash the wedding?
As an adult I often travel for business and sometimes tack on a weekend if feasible in order to explore the area. Also have a lot of friends who have relocated that I enjoy visiting.
Since there are so many pet lovers here, I’ve been meaning to mention a website called Trusted Housesitters, which is based in the UK. It offers opportunities for travelers to pet sit, or for pet owners to find someone to pet sit while they travel. Some people do both. It’s international, but I’ve only done it in the US (including an off-the-grid stay on 20 acres in Hawaii!) I’ve even done it semi-locally, just to get away for a few days and enjoy a new setting with some lovable dogs! There are cat opportunities as well, but I’m more of a dog person. I’ve suspended my membership, given the COVID situation, but IIRC, the membership fee is approximately $75 per year. You are not paid for pet-sitting, but you stay in the property for free. Every home I stayed in was lovely and the owners were quite kind. Most of them either took me out to dinner when I arrived or left a fully stocked fridge (and sometimes a wine bar!)! One of my best stays was in Portland, OR. (I know, I hate to even mention it right now.) But I went there for Christmas a few years ago to spend the holiday with a cousin who had recently relocated there. At the time their son was one, and I had no idea how many other family members might be showing up unexpectedly, so I found myself this remarkable Craftsman style house with 2 Golden retrievers. What joy! There was actually an ice storm on Christmas Eve and people in Portland have no idea about de-icing equipment, so I happily stayed home with the two dogs, made a big fire, turned on all the Christmas lights and music, and yes, partook of the wine fridge. Everyone was calling me to ask if I was lonely (Ha! Ha!) People had actually shipped me Christmas gifts! Meanwhile, I was having my ultimate HGTV moment.
@Girl With a Hat
She’s good at taking the knee, her speciality 😉
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Thank you 😂. It's good to start the day with a laugh. Please never stop!
While Harry himself is not beyond redemption, according to Robert Oulds and Niall McCrae, they accuse his wife of initiating a campaign to reshape the Royal Family in accordance with her own "woke" system of values - and of "looking down" on the likes of the Queen, Prince William and Kate, the Duchess of Cambridge. Mr Oulds, director of the Bruges Group, and Mr McCrae, a senior lecturer in mental health at Kings College London, have outlined their ideas in a new book published last week, 'Moralitis: A Cultural Virus'.
So MM is "looking down on the likes of the Queen, Prince William and Kate, the Duchess of Cambridge." We shouldn't be surprised, MM, of course, is superior to them all 🙄.
Note that Mr Mr McCrae is a senior lecturer in mental health at Kings College London.
I wonder what's next for Megalo. She's not exactly meeting success after success. I wonder if it's dawned on her how much, much better off (financially and otherwise) she would have been had she played her cards right and stayed in the Royal Family.
`...indulged by his parents, Francis lived the high-spirited life typical of a wealthy young man...(he) lost his taste for the worldly life... he began to avoid the sports and the feasts of his former companions. In response, they asked him laughingly whether he was thinking of marrying, to which he answered, "Yes, a fairer bride than any of you have ever seen", meaning his "Lady Poverty"...lost his taste for the worldly life...embraced the life of a penitent...' and so on.
(quotations from Wikipedia)
Still venerated, centuries on.
How very different from our pair, still revealing themselves as greedy graspers. A little genuine humility goes a long way.
Thanks for the mention of `Moralitis' - so much canting hypocrisy around these days.
We're expected to apologise for historical actions that for which we are not personally responsible - yet not allowed to mention the good, such as the Abolition movement, or the US Civil Rights movement of the 1960s.
@HappyDays: The Sturgis Motorcycle Rally :) Love it. (Me, too! I'd pay every last penny to see those guys' reactions to the Harkles!)
Re: Taking a knee ... for anyone who wants to ‘take a knee’ during the National Anthem, I say FU. Express your feelings and beliefs in another forum.
THANK YOU for the service of your family, and yes, YOUR service as a patriot and loving family member. I will veer too far into politics if I go any further -- suffice it to say it is families like you and yours who are the bedrock of our country.
And speaking of being patriots, the Harkles find the whole concept alien and distasteful, obviously. Britons might not wear their patriotism on their sleeves like many of us in the U.S. do, but deep down, at the very core of their being, they would rather be English, Welsh, Scots or northern Irish than anything else in the world. (That is, the sane and normal ones, which, for now, outnumber the lunatics.) Harry, especially, could have been a rock star had he genuinely kept to his military training, discipline and camaraderie. But no, he had to spit in their faces so as to fawn all over MM and appear "woke." He is so done, as far as they are concerned.
I agree with those here who think Markle is nuts, and headed for the deep end. She'll never admit it, and will probably wind up taking a lot of people down with her. All those lies, and playing So-and-So off against Such-and-Such, I don't know how she keeps it all straight! (She's not, I guess, as we're all seeing things unravel.)
I think one of the best subtle moves the Queen made was to have BP announce that it is no longer a spokesperson for the Harkles. Slowly but surely, they are distancing themselves, so that when the @#$% hits the fan, they will have cemented their status as the servants of Britain the nation expects them to be.
But this talk of bringing the Harkles "back into the fold" worries me. I hope it's only the tabloids trying to fill column inches. If the BRF were to go through with that -- Republic, here we come.
A commenter on the same thread -- Travalyst's links to China -- https://twitter.com/PorneMichaels/status/1291559829262172160
When I saw him on engagement interview. He really did seem happy and eager for next chapter of his life. I believe ,ironically, it was Meghan who sold *him* on fairytale. I see him nowadays and he really does appear awash in misery. No matter what the scene he oozes disinterest. I wonder if he was on some sort of mood pill or antidepressant he no longer takes
In his defense ,and I speak of later years, it couldn't have had it mentally easy. He really is "the spare". He should have forged his own path, but he didn't. Military made him look good but I dont think it made him feel good. And it really had to be rough forever being paired up with William and Catherine. He was always third wheel no matter how much they all love eachother. It is too bad there will never truly be "fab four"
Meghan and Harry will not last. She is an impossible person. I hope Harry's ego doesn't keep him paired with her. He can go home. I think his family will always publicly support him. Privately there has to be so many wounds but I do think they could work through anything.
I think even the British public would again embrace him, he does have an out, he can blame Meghan for everything. It may take a long time but if he returned home and kept a low profile, he could rebuild.
I of course say this as American so no idea. I do see the disdain for him across the pond but with meghan gone maybe hearts would change. Just cutious how you all feel
@Aquagirl I spent evey summer of my youth in Vegas, spolied rotten by my grandparents. I loved it! I cherish those memories dearly but never in a million years would I want to go back. Everything I loved of Vegas is gone
Have a great day all!
Quite. They describe 'moralitis' as a 'cultural virus'. Here is the blurb on Amazon:
For too long tradition and common sense have been marginalised by an illiberal elite, whose supposedly progressive ideology has degenerated into a collective mental malady. This treatise describes the virulent spread of 'woke' group-think as moralitis - a cultural virus. Robert Oulds and Niall McCrae show how and why we must protect society from the social justice agitators of subversive identity politics, and reverse their long march through the institutions. Treatment and prevention of this disease is crucial to reviving the Enlightenment values of liberty, reason and truth. Consider this book as an antidote.
It sounds very interesting and I'm going to buy the book.
Yes, we are expected (why?) to apologise for historical actions. Well, some of us are. As for taking the knee, let's not go there.
I cannot recall which thread I had read it on, I think it was either this one or the previous, where a commenter had suggested the film “welcome to me.“ I had meant to to reply to them with Internet applause for their good taste in movies 👍😉
I highly recommend the film “welcome to me” because of its bizarre qualities, and shockingly similar behaviors to Megain.
While not diagnosed with narcissism, the main actress has borderline personality disorder, which falls in to the same ‘cluster’ as narcissism.
If anyone is interested, it is streaming for free on TUBI, but I believe this is also available on Amazon prime.
Keep the fantastic conversations going, I love being a fly on the wall here and have learned so much! 💕 Have a great weekend everyone! 😊
The guy who predicted Trump's win is now saying he will lose in the autumn. If this is true we may expect to see much more of the Markle and her "fans", they will become a lot more visible.
the problem with attaching yourself to decisive cause, kneeling, protesting, etc etc is roughly 1/2 the public supports and the other 1/2 doesnt. you’re going to alienate the other 1/2 that doesnt agree, and with the amount of causes they pile into, thats alot of people to alienate. each cause has different people. it’s why the BRF stays neutral poitically and focuses on non-divisive, charity & doing good deeds most people can get on board with, early child development, hospitals, etc etc.
Sorry, I didn't mean my comment as political at all.
Markle was very vocal about her own political views, my comment was a mere observation about what we may expect from her if a power landscape in USA changes.
I certainly expect her preaching to increase a lot.
`Britons might not wear their patriotism on their sleeves like many of us in the U.S. do'.
Me -Slightly O/T but getting back eventually,
Um, well...
It's not quite that straightforward -
In the past, the English have held back our of respect for the other `areas' but...
It's totally acceptable for Scots, Welsh, Loyalist Northern Irish, and even the Cornish, to fly their flags and be as intensely patriotic as they wish, but Heaven help any English person flying the Union Flag or the Cross of St George. The woke immediately brand it as unacceptable, thanks to its use by extreme nationalists.
There has been a blossoming of County Flags -largely in response to this.
https://britishcountyflags.com/2013/04/15/
The Devon entry gives you an idea of the sort of argument that goes on.
The entry on Sussex made me smile - could the `division' of the county be a kind of curse on the marriage of a certain ducal couple, pushing them to divorce.
"Sussex is one of the counties which appears to suffer most from an identity crisis. Originating as an Anglo-Saxon kingdom, the county was first recorded by name in 692. Always a single entity, Sussex has, however, been divided administratively since 1585."
https://britishcountyflags.com/2013/04/15/sussex-flag/
I'd be in favour of him returning as long as he's alone and goes straight into some kind of mental-health facility and doesn't open his mouth publicly for years.
I am curious as to how you all feel about Harry
I feel very, very sorry for him. He is married to one of the worst narcissists we have seen in our combined lifetimes, and I wouldn't wish even a mild narc on anybody. He may have behaved badly in the past, and indeed, his own actions have led him to where he is now, but no one deserves to be used by a person who just sees them as an appliance.
My mother was married to a narcissist for 13 years, 12 of which he spent unemployed. She was working, but it was really hard for her to support him and my brothers on her salary alone. He did try going into business for himself, but insulted so many clients to their faces (and took so many days off) that he ruined his own chances. Mom often had to ask friends to pay a monthly bill or two as a favor. At first, people were willing to help out, but as her ex-husband's behavior grew more appalling, both they and close family members began to keep their distance. Mom also asked friends who either owned their own businesses or had hiring power in their companies to give him a job. Every last one who did said he was the laziest, yet most entitled employee they had ever had. At least they didn't have to worry about how to fire him; he resigned from every job on his own, after he realized the other people in the office didn't respect him.
The final straw came after he went to his high school reunion. He wanted to leave early saying he felt humiliated that the nerds he had bullied back then had all become successful professionals. He felt they were sneering at him. But he also reconnected with the woman who was the hottest girl in high school. Never mind that she had become very overweight since then. I guess he felt he was getting some glory in hooking up with her at last. When Mom found out about the affair, she finally dumped his ass.
But it also took her many years to heal from it -- and it didn't help that a lot of people shrugged and said, "Well, you chose to marry him." It's really a different game when a narcissist is involved. Not only do they blame you for everything, but they can get others to blame you for everything, too!
Now take my mother's story, change up the sexes, and blow everything up on a grandiose scale. That's Harry and Meghan's marriage, isn't it? I just hope, for Harry's sake, that it doesn't last 13 whole years.
I still cannot grasp her stupidity in undermining, and ultimately leaving, the BRF.
If she had wanted adulation for "finding freedom" from an oppressive group, she should have set her sights on Tom Cruise.
Lt. Nyota Uhura said...
`Britons might not wear their patriotism on their sleeves like many of us in the U.S. do'.
Me -Slightly O/T but getting back eventually,
Um, well...
It's not quite that straightforward -
In the past, the English have held back our of respect for the other `areas' but...
It's totally acceptable for Scots, Welsh, Loyalist Northern Irish, and even the Cornish, to fly their flags and be as intensely patriotic as they wish, but Heaven help any English person flying the Union Flag or the Cross of St George. The woke immediately brand it as unacceptable, thanks to its use by extreme nationalists.
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Ah, I see -- It's been a long time since I was in Britain, so was unaware of the proliferation of county flags. Thanks for that link! I do remember driving along Tottenham Court Road with an English friend one day, and I noticed that someone who had a flat above a shop was displaying the Union Jack in his/her window. I made a remark about how nice it was to see such patriotism, but my friend was a bit embarrassed. "Normally you only see that for occasions like Royal weddings or jubilees, or Royal visits, and the like," she told me. I felt a bit sad at the time, but came to realize that patriotism, like everything else British (especially English) was understated, but still very much there. I like that we Americans fly our flag at any opportunity (just look at how many millions of us Yanks fly it outside their homes 365 days a year) -- but I also appreciate the very much more nuanced approach Britons take. As for extremists -- they'll always lose, in the court of public opinion. Just wish the wokesters would hurry up and do the same!
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I'd be in favour of him returning as long as he's alone and goes straight into some kind of mental-health facility and doesn't open his mouth publicly for years.
Hmm. I tend to agree, but the cynic in me sees Harry slithering back under the umbrella of Palace PR fairly quickly, there to be "rehabilitated" back into the public. We've all seen what masters they are at image maintenance with Harry (and others)! It's to be hoped, tho, that the British public are far more aware and alert to his failings and atrocious treatment of his own family to allow this to happen. ("Hope" being the operative word.)
I appreciated your mention of St, Francis. Truly a beloved figure by many for his pure and simple devotion to our Lord. Additionally his love of animals has endeared him for many of all faiths who often put a statue of him in their gardens. OT warning Nutties, as I want to pass on a few tidbits about St. Francis which aren't well known.
Some may not know of the incident of him saving a small Italian village by a wolf that was ravaging the town's livestock. He brokered a peace with the wild beast by the agreement that the town's residents would feed the wolf from henceforth and he in return would not eat their animals. That is why you often see St. Francis portrayed with a wolf at his feet.
Saint Francis of Assisi is created the first nativity scene in 1223 at Greccio, Italy, in an attempt to place the emphasis of Christmas upon the worship of Christ rather than upon secular materialism and gift giving. The nativity scene created by Francis is described by Saint Bonaventure in his Life of Saint Francis of Assisi written around 1260. Staged in a cave near Greccio, Saint Francis' nativity scene was a living one with humans and animals cast in the Biblical roles. Thereafter churches and communities continued the practice of creating nativity scenes with live people and animals and eventually such tableaus were commissioned in statuary which many of us still enjoy today.
Lastly St, Francis is remembered for a prayer he wrote that many of all faiths appreciate.
Lord, make me an instrument of your peace,
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
Where there is injury, pardon;
Where there is doubt, faith;
Where there is despair, hope;
Where there is darkness, light;
Where there is sadness, joy;
O Divine Master,
Grant that I may not so much seek
To be consoled as to console;
To be understood as to understand;
To be loved as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive;
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
And it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.
Amen
It is a simple reminder that a human in extreme poverty and without the intent to become famous can win the hearts and minds of a public due to his honest loving message of love and forgiveness. I feel almost sinful stating the name of St Francis in the same sentence as tho]e dubious duo; I suppose we could try to hope/pray that the Harkles turn their life around and live peacefully and simply -in order to achieve good. Unfortunately it seems what they view as "good" which is a fundamental problem with their intentions.
I have to open my big mouth too..... Basketball, football etc These pathetic lunkhead conformists all taking a knee. They were also doing it in the UK. The soccer teams. Great way to alienate your paying customers.
@xxxxx: Yes, it IS a great way to alienate your PAYING CUSTOMERS.
What the athletes who are kneeling do not understand is that THEY ARE AT WORK. The football field, baseball field, race track etc. is their place of work, their office. In this capacity, they are employees of their team and their sponsors, and the people who are shelling out what is often big bucks to attend the game, show or whatever event is being held.
In essence, like musicians or actors, are entertainers. People pay attend these events to take a break and get away from daily living, and for many people, it can be the only time they ever attend a pro sports event. People want to get away from demonstrations, virtue-signaling and the rancor that has invaded our daily lives and they DON’T want someone else’s opinions forced down their throats when they are paying customers.
I’m al for expressing your political or social opinion and activism, but not at your placed of work. Most companies do not allow employees to be protesting while representing the company during work hours, and that should include professional sports teams. Who wants to be a customer at Home Depot, Tesco, WalMart, getting a manicure, or at your dentist to get you teeth cleaned and be force-fed a political /social protest along with the transaction?
Meghan and Harry jumping onto the kneeling bandwagon by venturing into this realm is not a good idea. They might as well ask the Queen and PC to take away their titles and all support.
Could JH return to the UK and the embrace of the BRF? Only if he does it alone, without MM. There is no way the British people would want her back. The DM has an article today on how PC is continuing to support JH both financially and emotionally (apparently they keep in touch by telephone). My understanding was that PC agreed to support the couple for a year until they could stand on their own feet financially, but it's pretty obvious now that it's not going to happen (or to be precise, they will never be able to support the lifestyle they want on their own). What then? Will PC continue to support them? Or will he cut them loose, so that they will have to live the life of ordinary millionaires instead of multi-millionaires or billionaires?
I wonder this because :
1) a talk show usually has political overtones, at least some oof the time, reflecting the host's own views.
2) even attending the DNC gives the impression the Queen favors or is endorsing a candidate/political party in another (not even common wealth) country. And since British taxpayers support the BRF, the British taxpayers/UK would seem to support a particular candidate/political party in another country
3) take a knee. see explanation 2 and where in the world would they be able to have enough room to take a knee at a sporting event? Do they expect because they are British Royalty they would be allowed on the field or sidelines? I don't think so. A knee in the stands? Who would see? A knee in the stairs/aisle? No , they 'd be in a special suite so no, nobody would see them take a knee.
And just who is the "friend" that is privy to all this? As far as I can tell, she's pretty much lost all her friends (at least 5 of them, snort!).
This is beyond the absurd.
... My understanding was that PC agreed to support the couple for a year until they could stand on their own feet financially, but it's pretty obvious now that it's not going to happen (or to be precise, they will never be able to support the lifestyle they want on their own). What then? Will PC continue to support them? Or will he cut them loose, so that they will have to live the life of ordinary millionaires instead of multi-millionaires or billionaires?
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Prince Charles has always had problems with his subjects-to-be. A well-meaning man, who lacks the cojones to be King, IMO. Even now, in spite of All the Grey Men, he stands on shaky ground. He has done lots of good things, but all comes to naught if he keeps on propping up his middle-aged ne'er-do-well son.
Charles can't bring himself to cut Harry loose -- but if he doesn't, the country lurches ever more inexorably toward a Republic. Even the Queen has locked her favorite son away due to his horrible pedo behavior (not "proven," but everyone knows it's true).
Charles needs to decide whether Harry or the Monarchy is more important.
Concise, but well said about PC, IMO.
'Even the Queen has locked her favorite son away due to his horrible pedo behavior (not "proven," but everyone knows it's true).'
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Andrew's behaviour may be unsavoury but that doesn't make him a paedophile. The age of consent in the UK is 16. If he 'consorted' with Virginia Roberts in the UK, that was legal. If that was in the US, it may have been legal depending on the states (what he aware of the age of consent in the US?). If she she was below the age of consent, then of course that was illegal but that's hardly paedophilia, she wasn't 6. Not a fan of Andrew but paedophilia a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.
`...should have set her sights on Tom Cruise.'
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Nice one!
Or could she have learned some tricks from that group? Wasn't she supposed to have at least brushed shoulders with them?
You said:
Charles can't bring himself to cut Harry loose -- but if he doesn't, the country lurches ever more inexorably toward a Republic.
Should that happen, God forbid, I imagine William would manage quite well as a civilian. Harry on the other hand...
Yes, plenty of food for thought when one considers Francis and all the saints, canonised or not, who have given, and to continue to `give and not to count the cost'.
I once tentatively asked if I should test my religious vocation - the answer was ` No, you wouldn't make a good nun - but you might a good nun weep!'
Nutty thanks so much for recommending A Soldier's Story with Denzel. I will def look for it!
I'm taking a break from the blog for awhile. Right now I feel it's better for me to just read than try to keep up with postings. I'm still recovering from the dreaded shingles.
(Hey! Light bulb moment. Maybe we should call That One the Duchess of Shingles, or Shingles for short. Lol. Though I wouldn't wish it on anyone).
Be safe everyone. Hugs!
Commenting on the Duchess of Sussex's first steps as a royal, Morton claims opinionated 21st-century woman Meghan was bound to struggle to adapt to the 'say nothing' royal rule of thumb - adding that Finding Freedom was her chance to set the record straight.
Well, that certainly backfired spectacularly.
Morton goes on to say that he believes Finding Freedom was Meghan's way of trying to express how she approached the royal family and 'how she was dismayed by the easy criticism of everything that she was trying to do.'
'She's been frustrated by the fact that she's not been able to give her side of the story,' he explains. '
The problem is that MM Just cannot take criticism at all, although she did claim it was just 'noise'. As for giving her side of the story, isn't that what Scobie's book is about?
I'm not sure if I'll be able to watch the documentary abt H&M (not tonight anyway). I might sacrifice myself for all Nutties, unless a braver nutty is willing :)
New nicknames for the duo: Ms. Common and Mr. Wealth.
Shall I take one for the team and take a look? It’s on for an hour and a half.....that’s some sitting! Lol I am recording it, I’ll stomach some tonight. ;o)
That reminds me, I've almost finished Philbrick's Mayflower. Thank you, Nutty, for recommending it.
A very sobering read, so different from the Foundation story one usually hears. Why doesn't MM focus on that as well?
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We've looked at donation to Migrateful of profits from that cookery book. The book, in its turn, originated in Grenfell survivors cookbook, following an appalling tragedy. Thanks to MM, we learned about one faith groups response, yet according to the multifaith think tank Theos, the they weren't the only ones:
https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/research/2018/06/01/after-grenfell-the-faith-groups-response
"In the chaos, the role of the diverse faith groups in the community stood out. .
At least fifteen separate centres run by faith communities responded.
Aid included acting as evacuation areas, receiving, sorting and distributing donations, offering accommodation, drawing up lists of the missing, supporting emergency services, patrolling the cordon, providing counselling and supporting survivors seeking housing. In the first three days alone at least
6000 people were fed by a range of faith communities. This is alongside the more expected provision of space for prayer and reflection and hosting interfaith services of memorial and lament."
Yet she chose to focus on just one effort - and an Islamic one at that.
Certainly, it was a disaster but she seemed either oblivious to the political dimensions involved or had deliberately chosen to be provocative:
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/grenfell-tower-fire-victims-housing-support-benefits-survivors-a8268911.html
The paragraph starting `And finally, the question that was on so many lips at the start, but which has rapidly been driven underground...' is the nub of it.
That's what makes me go `Hmm...'
@WBBM, you’re kinder than I am, but a fair comment regarding Harry getting help and treatment. For me, he’s too resentful and jealous of his brother etc. He has to innately possess such a personality to become what he has, he’s not a type of person I’d like or have time for.
@Lt. Uhura
Concise, but well said about PC, IMO.
Thank you -- tho it definitely gives me no pleasure to say such things ...
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Maneki Neko said...
Lt N Uhura
'Even the Queen has locked her favorite son away due to his horrible pedo behavior (not "proven," but everyone knows it's true).'
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Andrew's behaviour may be unsavoury but that doesn't make him a paedophile. The age of consent in the UK is 16. If he 'consorted' with Virginia Roberts in the UK, that was legal. If that was in the US, it may have been legal depending on the states (what he aware of the age of consent in the US?). If she she was below the age of consent, then of course that was illegal but that's hardly paedophilia, she wasn't 6. Not a fan of Andrew but paedophilia a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children.
You're right -- here in the U.S., each state has its own age of consent, but the average is 16. I was being hyperbolic, and also inaccurate.
The only reason I *went there* was because I read quite a while ago, when the issue first hit the headlines, that there was an element of coercion toward the teens if they refused to *play ball.* Time, and the law, will eventually make sure the truth comes out, I hope.
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Midge said...
@ Lt. Uhura
You said:
Charles can't bring himself to cut Harry loose -- but if he doesn't, the country lurches ever more inexorably toward a Republic.
Should that happen, God forbid, I imagine William would manage quite well as a civilian. Harry on the other hand...
Yes, absolutely. First thing Harry would do is go groveling to Charles who, I would hope, would not bankrupt his own self to keep the Harkles afloat. (But at the rate things are going, who knows!) Failing Charles, Harry will then grovel at William's feet. (Good luck with that.)
I would hope it wouldn't happen until the Queen and Prince Philip go to their reward. I really think it would kill them.
Charles has the resourceful Camilla to help figure things out, but Andrew, I don't know. The York girls would be okay, as would the Princess Royal and her crew. Ditto Edward and Sophie. The rest of the royals are already floating their own boats.
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Barbara from Montreal said...
@ Lt. Nyota Uhura: Agree with everything you said. PC has to realize that his constantly propping up his youngest son is actually costing him the respect and affection of the British people. Because, let's be clear (and if PC reads this, I hope he pays attention): cutting JH loose doesn't mean that JH and MM and little Archie will end up in a homeless shelter or applying for welfare benefits. JH has enough money to live a comfortable life - more so than 99.9% of the population. True, he won't be able to afford private jets and mansions and couture clothes, but that's what the Sussexes gave up when they left the BRF. They thought they'd be able to earn billions on their own, but that was obviously a serious miscalculation.
Very sensible outlook on the situation. The question is how hard the Harkles would struggle and chafe against a drastic curtailment of their *lifestyle* -- I'm guessing pretty d**ed hard! They'd go *down* moaning and whinging all the way.
Ms. Common and Mr. Wealth -- hahaha, you and another Nutty, sorry I can't remember! The threads are hard to keep up with sometimes! -- are a case of *great minds think alike*!! Top marks for this one for cleverness :)
@PinkPeony, Take care re shingles. Have loved reading your posts!
@Maneki Neko, Re the Andrew Morton, "poor girl" statement about Madam.
So, Wills says, "that girl"=mean, bad prince. Harry says, "this girl" in the engagement interview=so kind. Morton says poor girl=we know how MM will react, she will invite him to release another book, I am sure.
Thank you Charade, thank you Nutty!
Virginia Guiffre calls sex with Prince Andrew “the longest 10 minutes of my life.”
Ouch, that’s gotta sting.
https://nypost.com/2020/08/07/virginia-giuffre-recalls-alleged-sex-with-prince-andrew-in-memoir/
I don’t think this woman is lying about having been paid to have sex with Prince Andrew, albeit conveniently 20 years after the fact. I don’t want to dwell over much on what might have gone on in Jeffrey Epstein’s sleazy sex empire. Neither do I condone Prince Andrew’s actions, But he does not meet the definition of a pedophile. Nor do I think that Ms. Roberts met the definition of a “sex slave” as the press insists on calling her. Yes, she was a minor, the more than a year past the age of consent and very near her 18th birthday. Also, she retained her own free well whether or not to accept these “jobs” for JE. One report stated That Miss Roberts was paid $10,000 per encounter, though if this was with everyone or just with Andrew is unclear; also that she was flown first class and given lodgings in top hotels during some of her “assignments” And that Ghislaine took her shopping in the best boutiques to get her clothes.
So far, this does not meet my definition of slavery. My mind runs to things like, being raped at gunpoint or knifepoint, or kidnapped from one’s home and kept chained to a bed post and pumped full of heroin. Epstein’s girls were manipulated and taken advantage of because they were young, but they were very well compensated, and that’s what kept them coming back For more, even though they were not being compelled against their will to do so. Sounds like Jeffrey paid enough to put themselves through college, though I doubt any of them use the money for that. I am not justifying anyone’s behavior in this sordid scenario. Andrew is being made a fall guy only because he’s the only client we know for sure by name. I look forward to learning who else Ghislaine is going to implicate, presuming that she lives to go to trial. I believe she has a Killswitch in place with her attorneys....Anything untoward should happen to her, they released the black book...Each and every name. This is a powerful incentive to keep her alive.
Prince Charles' other mistress. I had no idea.
I think the HAMS are a wrecking ball wherever they go. Who would hire them, knowing how disliked both are? They are no Dianas. They have no spark or attractive qualities. They sue at the drop of a hat. What crazy business hires suers, and supports boycotts of any business the HAMS disagree with, unless the business is Chinese? Laughingstocks.
Thanks. Re Andrew, I wasn't trying to be pedantic but I like to be accurate.
@Raspberry Ruffle
Thank you for sacrificing yourself for the greater good. Better have the hip flask at the ready!
It feels like we have only ever heard her side, because no one else is complaining in the press.
I don't believe for a second any of the stories of W&K talking to the press about how they are stressed that H&M left. They have never had friends talk to the press on their behalf and it wouldn't start now. But someone else quite often does have friends talk to the press.
She appears to be a documented, habitual liar. Trying to convince us that we need to know the real account feels like gaslighting.
@ Lt. Nyota Uhura,
I totally agree with WBBM regarding the English flag of St. George.
We may not be openly patriotic or fly the Union flag (the jack is the mast) in our gardens etc., but we react if constantly attacked. Megsy has unleashed the quiet British patriotism and turned it into something a lot noisier!
"I once tentatively asked if I should test my religious vocation - the answer was ` No, you wouldn't make a good nun - but you might a good nun weep!'"
Oh that is hilarious...but just remember God forgives, and boy is that what I'm depending on (and Purgatory)!
BTW at age 64 or so I had another call to become a nun and took an extensive online test to see it one had a vocation. Well, my score must have been quite good as suddenly in my inbox and on the phone I had 10 orders of nuns contacting me. Long story short, almost all were of a modern order (no habit) and I was inclined to be the most conservative even cloistered, so out of them the only viable one remained was in the extreme Northeast US and decided my health problems and the weather would not enable me to do what was required. I should have done it when I was 22 when I half-hearted considered it. Would have had a better life than being secular all these years IMO.
I’m five minutes in and it’s already gag inducing! Lady C is in it though! ;o)
I agree with all the posters wanting to vomit over people taking the knee. It is done by stupid people who hate themselves, in my opinion. Frankly, to see overpaid, multi-millionaire athletes and Hollywood weirdos do this slap in my family’s heroes’ faces proves to me how uneducated and truly selfish these morons are, and I wish we could just ship them to North Korea for a Travalyst vacation.
WELL SAID.
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Maneki Neko said...
@ Lt N Uhura
Thanks. Re Andrew, I wasn't trying to be pedantic but I like to be accurate.
No pedantry taken :) -- I've always gone for hyperbole as a default reaction (well, almost always) -- and always glad when someone drops a kindly correction!
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Raspberry Ruffle said...
WBBM said to Lt. Nyota Uhura, It's totally acceptable for Scots, Welsh, Loyalist Northern Irish, and even the Cornish, to fly their flags and be as intensely patriotic as they wish, but Heaven help any English person flying the Union Flag or the Cross of St George. The woke immediately brand it as unacceptable, thanks to its use by extreme nationalists.
@ Lt. Nyota Uhura,
I totally agree with WBBM regarding the English flag of St. George.
We may not be openly patriotic or fly the Union flag (the jack is the mast) in our gardens etc., but we react if constantly attacked. Megsy has unleashed the quiet British patriotism and turned it into something a lot noisier!
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Ah, Union FLAG, thanks for correx -- and to think I get miffed when people here refer to a flag at half-MAST when they mean half-STAFF (on land is staff, mast is on a boat or ship, of course). Ha! Double dose of Humble Pie for me today :)
Glad to hear Megsy is responsible at least for a very good unintended consequence!
A singalong to help @Raspberry through
her ordeal
To the tune of Daisy, Daisy...
Megsy, Megsy here is our message, Adieu
We’re just crazy to be rid of the likes of you
You didn’t need a horse and carriage
To prove your sham of a marriage
Now admit defeat, get on the seat
On yer bike Megsy, Toodle-oo!
Very good indeed! And one I know the tune to ...I expect "Megsey, Megsey..." will be running through my head all evening!"
Truly fabulous! I’ll be humming it for a while! Lol
I forget who, but I read somewhere a theory that famous people can be emotionally stunted around the time when they "make it big" and this is why child stars struggle so much. Now, I hypothesize as a very impressionable child or preteen she became obsessed with surprises, images, etc. If she was going to a TV set as a girl to watch her Dad work, as she says, then this could be the origins of her obsession with image manipulation (completely speculating). Nothing is real, it's all manufactured.
We have seen her gatecrash events and make "surprise" visits. I think her pathology keeps her from recognizing how inappropriate it is. There is a rumor she did this to Michelle Obama and it wasn't well received. We also have evidence from last summer when Serena Williams' coach said publicly her presence would be a distraction, and she flew over for the match anyway. What she sees as a surprise may really be an ambush. Other people are appropriately creating boundaries, but she can't or won't recognize them and then those people are being mean.
I find it interesting that, in addition to her obsession with surprises, she seems to have a need to be the victim in every situation. It is an interesting combination. Mature people may naturally not enjoy having their boundaries blatantly violated. It's also interesting that she has mentioned more than once the need to "make others uncomfortable." Why? What is she getting at?
Very uncritical.
Lady C and Emily Adams did their best to introduce some balance but the whole thing was pretty slanted in my view. The elephant in the room was completely ignored, `as if he doesn't exist', although there were the expected shots of a child apparently called `Archie' and an occasional reference to the `pregnancy'.
I lost count of the number of times I shouted at the TV.
I liked Lady C's mention of `these who have got a brain' who can see what's going on (or wtte)
Very uncritical.
I agree, I wanted to throw things at the telly that stupid Sandwich woman shows up in all the royal documentaries now....she knows nothing!
I missed half an hour when I had to pop out of the room.
They bought up what Megsy said (what Lady C said she was told at the dinner party) at the garden party 4 days after her wedding..... she was bored and wanted to leave . Lady C said the person who heard it said they were completely gobsmacked.
Agree about Lady C’s remark.... anyone with a brain can see what’s going on....
Anyone else have examples?
Best wishes to Bea. Not a peep from the Harkles, quel surprise.
https://apple.news/A5jH-54L9Sk-zfNSAJ2LhjQ
@Puds
Yes! Violating boundaries is very much a narcissist thing - they consider themselves so superior that they have no respect for other peoples' boundaries, yet if you fail to observe theirs, heaven help you.
I had three instances of that, in the kitchen alone, when my last narc was here (on what became her final visit). I asked her to hand me something so I could pop it into the dishwasher, not to empty the tea leaves down the plughole, and not to drop our very sharp knives into cloudy washing-up water, each for a very good reason.
Each time, she refused point blank, arguing furiously, and did what she wanted -nothing short of physical intervention would have stopped her, although it was my kitchen, my rules, my boundaries.
Narcs know best and there's nothing you can do about it.
Guess where the spotlight is with the surprises? On the surpriser, not the surprisee.
Who owns the outing? The person doing the surprising. Just how they want it, the spotlight on them, not the other person.
I couldn't even enjoy my own birthday. It was all about what was planned, how they planned it, how they felt keeping the big secret. And everyone in on it but me.
Takes away any sense of pleasure I might have had about it.
Not to mention that they had opened my birthday presents and showed them to everyone earlier. When I objected the excuse was 'they had to be sure they worked and weren't broken.'
Like that explains showing them to others. Sure took all the fun out of it. No one was interested in watching me open my presents because they'd already seen them. :-(
The spotlight is on the person doing the surprising, just where they want it.
“Hints that you are dating a narcissist”
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/7-subtle-ways-tell-dating-130100927.html
Add all that to her narcissism.
Thank you for the reassurance of divine forgiveness - I could perhaps have managed as a Benedictine but certainly not as a Poor Clare!
This branch of the Franciscans used to run a Retreat House used by my employer for residential conferences and having had a taste of their bleak hospitality, a real mortification of the flesh, I would never go back. It contrasted markedly with another centre, run by the the Franciscan Missionaries of Mary, with a different approach.
And yes, surprises , with gifts.
Whenever our friendship group met up, that narc would have little presents that she'd made for us all, rum truffles, pin cushions, homemade soap. Of course, they were thoughtful and nice, but it became spooky - a set up which meant we had to be super-nice to her & tell her how wonderful she was?
The new H&M commercial. Were the photos of Archie new? I will add sticking her tongue out to list of childlike behaviors (although I can't remember last time I saw a kid do that)
In Slovakia the oldest wooden church is Chuch of St. Francis of Assisi, 500 years old . Click on pic to see interior. I wish it showed surrounding area, a bunch of brightly painted wooden homes. Quaint village. I especially was fond of the church as I chose him for confirmation name
https://slovakia.travel/en/hervartov-church-of-st-francis-of-assisi#prettyPhoto
Way way behind on this particular set of comments.
So, I am at the point where people are talking about Travelest and how the world has changed recently.
Early in the posts, Nutty mentioned something about how M had a missed opportunity where she could have had some sort of show where she went around and visited small, quaint nice tucked away places in the UK (M explores her new country).
If only they had done that. She would have been able to push out the idea of here are some nice places to visit in this country as a sort of counter point to England has more to offer than just visit London. She would have made connections in the film world there that she didn't have because she's mostly HW. Netflix probably would have picked it up (fighting with PBS for it).
And, They could have started Travelest as a much smaller operation where once you came to London, Travelest gets you to the lovely small towns so you visit the countryside of our country. Experience at running a company and how to make things work.
After a couple of years, springing to the USA would have given them greater cachet, a longer resume where suitcase girl and sex in the file room drop to the bottom or off the page. And then, they could have started up a side of Travelest as more in line with what they originally proposed. With a solid reputation, people might have been more interested in this other side then.
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“Megsy, Megsy, the coppers are after you,
If they catch you they'll give you a year or two,
They'll strap you up with wi-er
Inside the Black Mari-er,
So ring your bell
And pedal like hell
On that bicycle made for you.”
Also at
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/824733-daisy-daisy-the-coppers-are-after-you-if-they-catch
wi-er = wire
Black Mari-er = Black Maria (I see this has a New England origin!
Very pretty photo of the church of St Francis. It reminded me of a wooden church I saw in Norway.
I entered 086 22 Hervartov, Slovakia on Google map and was able to see inside the church and the surrounding roads and houses. Very interesting.
Is repulsive a kind enough word to describe the HAMS, and their moronic, histrionic, pathetic, lying, suing, back-stabbing, elderly hating, charity stealing, racist and anti-Democratic shoving in our faces their uneducated, pathetic top .001 percent wealthy but struggling with $40 million views?
I will understand if this comment is taken away. I am just so sick of them and their ilk.
@WildBoar
Sister WildBoar sounds Divine 😇
No, just shots of Tutu baby & Duck-Rabbit baby.
What a gorgeous church! How did the interior survive the Soviet era?
SATURDAY, AUGUST 08, 2020
Blind Item #5
So, the foreign born expatriate wants nothing to do with going back home but still makes calls to Daddy once a week to send him some money so he can live the high life.
Germaine Greer arrived in the UK in autumn '64, it took about 6 weeks for many of my contemporaries to be sick of her name, thanks to her `stripping nun' routine at an informal student review. It didn't do much to advance the cause of female equality.
You may not believe it, but the very first known WBBM was a nun! An abbess, to be precise.
Germaine Greer “stripping nun”
To prove she was no female eunuch 😉
https://www.ccn.com/meghan-markle-fans-edward-enninful-attack/
Kudos for poster who looked up Slovak church. Čičmany is also cute village :)
Blind Item #5
So, the foreign born expatriate wants nothing to do with going back home but still makes calls to Daddy once a week to send him some money so he can live the high life.
He's on vacation
re CCN:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Communications_Network
"What is the CCN news?
The genesis of Caribbean Communication Network (CCN) was the Trinidad Express newspaper. The newspaper was founded in 1967 by a group of journalists who found themselves displaced when the British-owned Daily Mirror was brought out by foreign owners of the rival Guardian newspaper."
I've just picked up on an OP from Aubrey Hansen, a Wisconsin-based journalist regarding the latest Harry stunt. She is scathing.
Part 1
Before questioning others, Prince Harry should look at himself and Meghan Markle's social media following.
Get your own house in order, Harry!
• Prince Harry has penned a 1,400-word tirade against the current media landscape, lamenting the lack of fairness and truth.
• The problem is, Meghan and Harry are only interested in their version of the truth.
• Before they ask questions of others, perhaps they ought to take a look at themselves?
In the latest laughable attempt by Prince Harry and Meghan Markle to push themselves as self-styled social justice warriors, “simply” Harry penned a 1,400-word article blasting the current digital landscape.
You have to hand it to this couple–they’re on a different level when it comes to playing the victims and portraying themselves as martyrs.
I would take Prince Harry a little more seriously if his wife, Meghan Markle, and her ruthless bully friends hadn’t been guilty of manipulating the media for years. Or if both of them weren’t taking part in Zoom calls with a confessed internet bully and troll.
Prince Harry is a hypocrite of the highest order.
Prince Harry Has Seemingly Whitewashed His Questionable History
I could get behind Prince Harry and his campaigns for civil rights and racial justice if he acknowledged his shady past when it comes to race.
I know the Sussex Squad are oblivious to anything that Prince Harry or the royals did pre-2016. Still, a little research would tell you that Prince Harry is far from the type of individual that should be lecturing about anything to do with race relations or civil rights.
Again, people make mistakes, and I’m all for second chances, but the younger Prince is akin to an opinionated vegan who preaches down to the masses, but only a few years ago would dine on hamburgers and steak regularly.
Since he and Meghan embarked on their latest brand strategy to position themselves as a cross between Bob Geldof and Mother Teresa, he has been quick to demand that others acknowledge their past and have “uncomfortable conversations.”
Why not lead from the front, Harry? Let’s see 1,400 words on your “uncomfortable” past? A time when you weren’t the enlightened source of wisdom that you seem to be today?
I won’t hold my breath waiting on that happening.
It is best to rip the Markles away, now, without any warning. To slowly tear them off only shows weakness. Do the English (Great Britain) not remember appeasement with Germany? And the duke of windsor’s visits to Nazi Germany? Apparently H loves Nazis like his great-uncle, since the RF said a a 20 year old was just showing childish pranks.
Why is the Royal Family hesitating? Get rid of the two, take away all titles, and what will be, will be. Cut off funding, and police. Just H walked away with everything, unlike the divorcing, and numbskull Diana, who got a settlement from the Queen’s money, and did not want Royal Protection officers. How in the world does GB allow Prince Charles to take hard-earned money from taxpayers of GB to pay for his moronic son and his wife’s so-called security? Whose money is being spent for two anti-British, anti- American nothings? Who is paying for the HAMS?
I truly do not understand why the HAMS, talking hatred about the Royal Family, the British people, and now all white people, are being paid from British taxpayers, aka the Duchy of Cornwall. Unless Charles cuts the morons off now, he might have nothing to give to William. By the way, I think Charles would love to screw over William, the son who looks like Diana, and had to listen to Diana’s moans and groans. William needs to take charge now.
Prince Harry Wants a Digital Landscape Defined by Compassion Over Hate? Then Lead by Example
"The Sussex Squad and other Meghan Markle and Prince Harry followers are a curious bunch.
On the one hand, they raise money for charitable causes, which is a good thing. Yet, they carry out campaigns of hate and bullying against journalists and anyone who doesn’t follow their narrow view of how their idol should be discussed on social media.
Trust me, I know. I’m one of those journalists.
(Sample of sugar hate deleted)
`Prince Harry should deal with his and Meghan’s followers before preaching to anyone else.' | Source: Twitter
Prince Harry commented in his tirade:
Our hope is that it’s the beginning of a movement where we, as people, place community and connection, tolerance and empathy, and joy and kindness above all. The internet has enabled us to be joined together.
How can he say these things while not only sitting idly by and allowing his and Meghan’s fanbase to wreak havoc online but actively engage with these people via Zoom calls?
(This is the Twitter account of the fan that Meghan and Harry called for a chat on Zoom. | Source: Twitter -example deleted)
Hypocrisy and Double-Standards Abound With This Hollywood Couple
(Sample of sugar hate deleted)
Once again, this is an instance of Prince Harry urging people to follow what he says, but pay little attention to what he does. It reminds me of the Travalyst debacle where he preaches about saving the planet yet flies his family around on private jets
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The hypocrisy of this couple is astounding. It’s at such a stage that I’m seriously wondering if they’re oblivious to their actions.
No, while there will be those who are impressed by Harry’s carefully curated words, I’m not buying what he or his wife is selling.
The truth is, they aren’t concerned with a truthful media. They’re concerned with a media that neglect to report their faults and only focuses on their positives.
Meghan Markle has used underhanded tactics to control the media narrative for a long time,
in my opinion, and much of that will come to light in her ill-fated court case against ANL.
I do not doubt that the Hollywood Royals and their minions will frame such a scenario as Harry and Meghan being the victims of a biased media yet again.
Prince Harry needs to get his own house in order before preaching to others. His fanbase is among the most hateful on the internet."
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I picked up on this from https://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/UK/Royal+Family/Meghan+and+Harry - a useful news-listing site.
Article at: https://www.ccn.com/prince-harry-media-moral-high-ground/
I can only think that the Royal Family, having given its word about allowing them 12 months, is sticking to its word.
Unlike others, who make pie-crust promises - made to be broken.
See Blind item #5 above...
I'd throw them to the wolves.
Despite these two being offered almost everything they've demanded, bar a tiara or two, presumably to avoid accusations of racism, their conduct, I'm sure, has contributed to identity-politics unrest here, the last thing we need.
To cap it all, the current settled weather, with the sea like glass, has led to about 500 criminally-trafficked migrants arriving here in 3 days, using the route from Calais to Dover. The BBC is emphasising `women and children' but as far as I can see from the TV footage, the majority are male, whether from Africa, the Middle East or even further afield. Who knows?
God help us.
The Harkles should do us a favour and tell these people they'd be better off seeking to stay legitimately in France, although they'd prefer to live in the shadows here.
Lucy - I think I am the one who looked up the Slovak church. Thanks for this info, I don't know Slovakia.
I did read the CCN article re Enninful a couple of days ago but as it didn't reveal anything new I didn't mention it. Aubrey Hansen often writes abt MM in CCN and she's certainly not a fan.
I agree entirely when you say 'I fear for the future in the UK - England in particular.' I'm not sure, however, that the Harkles should tell 'these people' to stay legitimately in France - this is a political football and they shouldn't touch it with a barge pole, but I agree with the sentiment. In any case, our woke duo would probably want to encourage more to cross the Channel.
Sadly, I have to agree with the truth of what you say. She has already expressed her view on the composition of the UK population. She'd be cheering them on.
Yes, it's a very tricky diplomatic situation. Our nearest neighbours don't much want them and they don't want to live there. The neighbours would help - if we paid them generously.
£30 million is the latest figure I've seen & expect that's per annum.
Oh dear.
The Duke of Sussex will mark his 36th birthday away from the members of the Royal Family except for his wife, Meghan Markle, and son, Archie. The celebration will be hosted by music producer David Foster, who is said to have become a “father figure” to him.
The “low-key” event will take place on September 15 at Mr Foster’s Los Angeles home.
Mr Foster’s wife, Katharine McPhee, went to the same school as Meghan where she grew up in California.
However, Prince Harry’s relatives will not be in attendance to the lavish party, and neither will be Thomas Markle, Meghan’s estranged dad.
Speaking to the Sunday Mirror one source said: “David wants to make it special for Harry but also keep it casual and low-key with some fine wine, great food and intimate company.
“He is setting aside the fire pit at his home plus the whole outdoor area, which security will cordon off.
“The small gathering will also include his daughters Erin and Sara and their husbands.
“They are around the same age as Harry and Meghan.
“David has been helping to connect the Sussexes so they can create a group of close friends and feel more comfortable in LA.”
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1320510/royal-family-news-prince-harry-meghan-markle-prince-harry-birthday-megxit
'The tit for tat media exchange from MM is becoming SO obvious! I day ago we have a news story about PH & PC unbreakable bond with some nice throw back photo's of them together over the years, so what do we get today? 'PH has a new 'father figure' in the shape of David Foster and he will be hosting his birthday bash'. Unbelievable'
The thing that really made me laugh was the mention of cordoning off of the outside area with security. Admittedly I've never lived in a mansion so I'm not aware of the ins and outs, but logic tells me that if they're holding it on a private property then surely the entire property would be covered by security and not just a specific part of it? As I've said I don't think it's going to happen, but it crossed my mind that a security cordon like this could be to keep guests limited to a particular area rather than keeping uninvited people out which makes it so much funnier if this is Meghan's PR because it seems she's basically admitted that they're not trusted to have free run of a house at their own party hosted by apparently close friends.
Dunning–Kruger effect:
at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
"In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with low ability at a task overestimate their ability. It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from the inability of people to recognize their lack of ability. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, people cannot objectively evaluate their competence or incompetence.[1]
"As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the bias results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability; that is, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others."
I'm not sure yet about what the bits about people of `high ability' means - so, it's back to the article for me.
The D-K effect sounds a bit like an effort to explain the mechanism behind the older effect popularly known as the "Lake Wobegon" effect (where all women are strong, all men are good looking and all children are above average.) This effect is AKA "illusory superiority."
For example, Cannell (1987) reported all US states claimed average student test scores above the national norm.
In a survey of drivers, Svenson (1981) found that 80% of respondents rated themselves in the top 30% of all drivers.
Zuckerman and Jost (2001) showed that most students judged themselves to be "more popular than average".
A College Board survey asked nearly one million high school seniors to rate themselves on a number of dimensions. Less than 1% rated themselves as below average on their ability to "get along with others," And, in fact, 60% rated themselves in the top 10%.
I do think H&M appear to be particularly blind to their shortcomings. And it's not just about abilities but behavior. It seems to me they are particularly subject to the Actor-Observer effect, for example. (We all are, but their bias is glaring.) This effect says we understand our own behavior (as actors) as being affected by external factors but see the behavior of those we observe to be affected by internal dispositional factors. So they take private jets because of external threats to their safety while others take private jets because they are selfish and don't care about the environment.
Let. Nyota Uhura, thanks for your feedback. Your name made me recall a vacation my husband and I took, from the Norwegian fjords to the Northern British isles, two years ago. It was a small group, and one person on the trip was the Star Trek actor, George Takei. He was very quiet, lovely and I thought very shy until I asked a question about one of actors on the original Star Trek tv show he starred in, and off to the races! He and his husband were hysterically funny. He became serious though, when I asked him, as a Japanese American, what it was like to be put into American concentration camps, just because of his family background. Basically, President F. D. Roosevelt (Democrat hero, btw) took away his home, all their belongings, and housed them in some G-d forbidden place. They could not recover their belongings after WW2, and Mr. Takei said it destroyed his parents. Concentration camps, in America, were not death or work camps, but it was the Japanese Americans who were targeted. Yet, many top heroes during WW 2 were Japanese American men, who finally were allowed to fight for their country. Like the Navaho Native Americans, they went above and beyond the call of duty. These people had every reason to be angry, yet they became part of the Greatest Generation. Smart, hardworking, knowing they had to be thrice as good as others just to be equal. They are not rioting, or hating our country. They just give back, like the rest of most Americans.
The 442nd Regimental Combat Team, composed of Nisei (2nd generation) Japanese soldiers, was one of the most highly decorated units in World War II. They felt they had a lot to prove, with their relatives in internment camps and everyone mistrusting them -- and they delivered in spades. The late Daniel K. Inouye, Senator from Hawaii, was a member of that unit. Their motto was "Go For Broke." (An excellent movie by that name is on YouTube)
As for George Takei, I've always seen him as quite the quirky one, and as much an indivisible part of "Star Trek" as, *ahem*, myself, LOL. Thanks for relating your personal experience! I read his autobiography, "To The Stars," with great interest.
Is repulsive a kind enough word to describe the HAMS, and their moronic, histrionic, pathetic, lying, suing, back-stabbing, elderly hating, charity stealing, racist and anti-Democratic shoving in our faces their uneducated, pathetic top .001 percent wealthy but struggling with $40 million views?
I'd say "repulsive" is kinder than the Harkles deserve. They are a cancer on the Royal Family and the culture in general.
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@Wild Boar Battle-maid -- Perceptive of you to make the Dunning-Kruger connection!
You said: "As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the bias results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability; that is, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others."
I take this to mean that the highly competent by necessity have to share the world with the incompetent, and may make a misjudgment at times as to their actual capabilities.
I look forward to your further take on this.
I just saw a commercial for a kids cooking show competition and MM will be a (one time?) judge
On the other hand, I do have to be fair to Meghan here . . . Didn't Prince Harry start going out with her again because she gave that "Wild about Harry" interview, claiming they had long been an item? If it worked that one time, we can hardly blame her for imagining it would work again!
(This is also reminding me of the story about Camilla and Andrew Parker-Bowles's engagement. Apparently, he didn't propose until after his father and brother put an announcement of the engagement in a newspaper. They had done it to nudge him into proposing, and unbelievably, it worked!)
- could that be an aspect of what the footnotes to the Wiki. reference call `the curse of Knowledge'? That the competent overestimate the ability of others, hence they can't understand why something blindingly obvious to them is so completely beyond the comprehension of others?
Is it what went on when Megsy was `advised' to wear a hat when on official duty with the Queen? She lacked the knowledge of the `locals' that `Hell! That's what one does' - whether one thinks it's stupid or one hates hats!.
Too damn' convinced of the rightness of her `here I stand - I can do no other!' approach to life to act on a big hint.
(O/t illustrations from my time trying to get students thro' the `project' part of their Biology A-levels:
-One girl proposed `an investigation of the upside-down swimming behaviour in goldfish'. When I pointed out that healthy fish don't swim up upside down she reassured me that she was going to teach them. At least I managed to direct her away from that.
- 20% of the marks for project work went on `Background Reading'. When I, with colleagues, sat down to do the assessments, we found one lad stated `I wanted to approach this with an open mind, so I did no Background Reading'. I'd clearly wasted my breath there.)
`the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others'
- could that be an aspect of what the footnotes to the Wiki. reference call `the curse of Knowledge'? That the competent overestimate the ability of others, hence they can't understand why something blindingly obvious to them is so completely beyond the comprehension of others?
This is kind of where I was going (a couple of posts above). You put it better! Our Markle is obviously, and fatally, incompetent, tho with a grandiose view of her own *magnificence.*
(And, you poor thing with those students. Dunno whether to laugh or cry!)
`Donna Quixote of LA Markle and her sidekick, Sancho Sussex,' with reference to their tilting at windmills.
Another person compared her unfavourably with Becky Sharp!
Thanks for your sympathy - I was completely discombobulated!
So the D-K effect is just "stupid people don't know they're stupid"
`Donna Quixote of LA Markle and her sidekick, Sancho Sussex
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! This is my new official favorite :)
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Girl with a Hat said...
@Wild Boar, et al
So the D-K effect is just "stupid people don't know they're stupid"
Succinct and accurate, thinks me.
Another one for the annals of bad headlines -- "Princess Charlotte's teacher marries her godfather"
Mr Justice Warby, promoted to the Court of Appeal
https://inforrm.org/2020/08/01/news-lead-media-and-communications-list-judge-mr-justice-warby-promoted-to-the-court-of-appeal/
What does this mean for Markle's case? Will it be reassigned to a new justice, or will he "grandfather" in and keep the case?
The article calls the comments yes, wait for it.....”racist.”
I mostly read comments in the DM, Blind Gossip, and CDAN. I can’t think of the last time I saw a comment that I would designate as racist, bigoted, or prejudices. What began as a few people pointing out her narcissistic behavior and Harry’s eager obedience, has now turned to a tsunami of people who, since the engagement and wedding, realize that Harry has been sucked (pun intended) into a marriage to a women who likely has a profound case of narcissistic personality disorder.
The comments are not complimentary, and overall quite accurate as they criticize the Harkles’ behaviors and attitudes.
Harry obviously still has his head in the sand, refusing to believe that A) William and Tom Inskip both had Meghan sussed and Harry should have taken more time. B) Meghan is a narcissist. C) She doesn’t love him and is only using him. D) People all over the world also have Meghan sussed. E) William and Tom Inskip are still right.
When someone is about to make a horrible life-changing error, especially if they think they are in love, they often know very, very deep down they are making a mistake. When someone confirms it for them, the bearer of bad news is accused of all sorts of things from jealousy to “you just don’t want me to be happy,” and other defensive mechanisms to rationalize the bad decision they are making.
For a myriad of reasons, they want this unsuitable, and in Meghan’s case incredible false, destructive, greedy and toxic person to be “The One.”
Harry is still in the stage where he won’t admit he’s not only made a huge mistake by marrying the wrongest of wrong women on the planet, he’s made it worse by quickly bringing an innocent child into the picture who is being used by Meghan as much as he is.
For Harry, reading the comments echos William and Tom’s misgivings. His problem is that he can’t have a falling out with total strangers who are likely right, so he lashes out at them instead.
Prince Harry's friend 'punished' for 'doubts' about Meghan Markle ahead of wedding
Lauren Clark
3 hours ago
The childhood friend of Prince Harry was “punished” for sharing “doubts” about Meghan Markle ahead of their marriage.
Tom Inskip advised the Duke and Duchess of Sussex to live together before “doing anything more serious”, according to upcoming biography Finding Freedom: Harry and Meghan and the Making of A Modern Family.
The book claims the royal’s close confidant – regularly nicknamed “Skippy” – revealed his reservations about the American actress ahead of their engagement in late 2017, The Daily Telegraph reported.
This meant that, at the 2018 wedding, Inskip and his wife Lara Hughes-Young were “punished” by not being invited to the evening wedding party at Frogmore House following the Windsor Castle ceremony.
According to the paper, a source close to the duke, 35, and duchess, 39, told the authors of Finding Freedom, Omid Scobie and Carolyn Durand, that it caused the two close friends to grow apart.
They reportedly said that while Inskip’s advice “came from a good place”, the prince was “really hurt him that someone he was so close to would not trust his judgment”.
No prize for guessing who the source was but how stupid to display your vindictiveness publicly in print!
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Btw- I believe I may have found a simple practical to to identify a narcissist (or at least someone selfish/with bad manners.
Invite them to a meal and offer a cheeseboard with a perfectly-ripened wedge of Brie. If they cut off the `nose', with all the gorgeous runny bit, without turning a hair, think twice about associating with them in future.
Of course, if they don't it, they may just have good manners or perhaps they don't like Brie. Yet every person who has done it to me has gone on to reveal themselves as narcs.
Just remember to keep a good piece back, so you can enjoy the treat after they've gone home (with the remains of the cheese they attacked in a doggy bag and a pointed remark about how they might as well have the rest of it, now they'd spoiled it for everyone ale.)
Any comparison with Becky Sharp is unfavorable! I actually was reminded of Vanity Fair a few weeks ago, thanks to Harry and Meghan. Becky and her husband managed to live in the lap of luxury thanks to credit and their reputations, for an annoyingly long time! (Well, at least I, the reader, was annoyed.)
`His younger brother, Charlie, 32, is very close with Prince Harry and is godfather to his son Archie, one.'
Do we believe that?
Town and Country 08-08-20
Headlne:
Prince Harry Reads the Comment Section in Stories About Him and Meghan Markle
According to a forthcoming biography of the Sussexes, Harry just can't help himself.
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a33435896/prince-harry-reads-comments-press-meghan-markle-finding-freedom/
Most Americans are worried about the virus, jobs, money, and family. Stories about birthday parties right now are ghastly and it is just another example of how tone deaf they are.
https://www.sketchplanations.com/
https://www.theifod.com/brandolinis-law-the-bullshit-asymmetry-principle/#
It's the idea that it takes far more energy to refute any piece of BS than it does to generate in the first place and this helps its proliferation on the Internet.
It applies chiefly in a pseudoscience context, even science itself, but it helps explain how our not-so-tame little bullshit-generator churns the stuff out without batting an eyelid but we spend so much time and energy trying to get to the bottom of it and work out if its true or not.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/meghan-markle-reportedly-doing-pilates-155100349.html
Seeing how they never brought Archie back to the UK, even to visit, I do think there is a social services problem with this family.
Thank you for suggesting a way around the problem - that could take of it very neatly.