Let's continue the conversation about the Sussexes...
Not much appears to be going on. Living Legends came and went without fanfare ... what's the next event? Super Bowl - Sunday February 11th? Oscar's - March 10th? In the mean time, some things are still rolling along in various starts and stops like Samantha's law suit. Or tax season is about to begin in the US. The IRS just never goes away. Nor do bills (utility, cable, mortgage, food, cars, security, landscape people, cleaning people, koi person and so on). There's always another one. Elsewhere others just continue to glide forward without a real hint of being disrupted by some news out of California. That would be the new King and Queen or the Prince/Princess of Wales. Yes there are health risks which seemed to come out of nowhere. But. The difference is that these people are calmly living their lives with minimal drama.
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Diana reportedly used to taunt him with that. He could spend weeks writing a speech on a major initiative and planning a major event, then all she needed to do was change her hairstyle on the night and bang! He was invisible. Now he could be heading back to those days all over again, as Catherine's image becomes stronger. No malice or spite behind it now, because it's Catherine, but that doesn't change the effect. I do thank my stars though, that I don't detect any rivalry between William and Catherine. They are one.
Lady C was right to draw out Prince Philip's point that it's the role that matters, not the person temporarily in that role. If Prince Charles could think more like that, it would draw the personal sting that always seems to goad him.
I think the `Kate as Mediator' theme can be interpreted equally well as
`Look, Meghan, how I had to run after my brother - I tired, I really tried. Doesn't it show hoe decent we are? How forgiving? Not forgetting how well intentioned we are?'
`See, Kate recognises what good people we are. Here's a picture of me with my brother, chatting amiably. It's not us that have been causing problems, honestly. It's them.'
When one side begins by returning everything they have taken away? That is not negotiation. That is a complete admittance of full fail on that side. And full capitulation. There is nothing left to negotiate except the terms dictated by that winning side.
And it continues to muddy the water over things like security. Or how much money they have been given already - that's an interesting ant hill which they might not want kicked open.
I suspect that there was some recognition at some level of the difference between the life he has now/came back to and what it used to be when he was there. It may not have registered on the cognitive level but it probably was noticed deep down inside. It could be a seed (she might water and not realize it).
Our source says Harry wasn't willing to make amends in his wife Meghan Markle's absence. “Harry has a long list of grievances and demands and isn’t willing to negotiate or talk about the future without Meghan being part of the process,"
I read that as he was read the riot act about the racism claim by his wife toward them and he backed her and not them. And, she has made no apologies that we know of about that claim. Stating she has forgiven them collectively is not the same as an apology about taring one and all with that brush.
While Harry plans on Meghan being a part of the negotiation process, another source tells us that despite playing family peacemaker, William's wife Kate Middleton will not be present during the conversation.
By insisting she be part of the negotiations, I suspect she thinks she will do it better for them this time than he did without her in January 2020. A do over (hence the give us everything back to start with.)
As for the claim that Catherine would not be part (despite her vaunted peacemaking abilities) means that the conversation is about the pair as a team against the family instead of how the two women are driving the future about their husband -the real power behind the negotiating team (a missed opportunity for her PR IMO).
Why did he leave? Maybe he realized that no one would talk to him now (they are focused on the pain of the loss of their family cornerstone while he may have been looking at it as a way to talk about his/their needs/issues and so on). Wrong time for that conversation (as in read the room). He may have been encouraged to do this. Or maybe he was asked to go?
So, anyway, in my head, the conversation after the funeral between H and W&K actually went like this:
The RF family trudges out of St George’s Chapel. Harry makes a beeline for Kate.
H: Kate! Waitie Katie! Hold up!
Kate looks at William in a panic, but W is chitchatting with the dean.
Kate: Erm, hello, Harry. Nice weather. Hope you had a nice quarantine at the Holiday Inn.
H: Yeah, well. Listen, when is Grandpa’s will being read out? I didn’t get an invite.
Meanwhile, William sees the Kate rushing towards him, followed by H. He turns around and quickly starts walking towards the palace, as Kate catches up with him. They’re both hurrying. H keeps up behind them, and elbows his way in between them.
H: Guys! Whatsaaap! Long time no see!
William: WTF Harry. There are cameras everywhere!
H: I know! Isn’t that convenient!
Kate: William, calm down. There are cameras everywhere. Harry, what the actual f@@k?
H: Oh, Kate, sorry about that bit with Oprah. Megsie just wanted to clear the air about the crying.
Kate: But you know what happened, you utter ass. Why are you guys LYING on television?!
William: Catherine, calm down, there are cameras everywhere!
Kate: Well, it’s a good thing we’re wearing masks, innit? No “lip reading expert” can figure out what we actually said to each other.
William suddenly brightens and lets out a torrent of abuses at H from behind his mask. Kate diplomatically slows down and hangs back with Sophie and her kids. As William and H walk ahead of her, all she hears is abuse from William and pleas from H about Grandpa’s will and Granny’s jewellery.
Sophie: Catherine! You look pale. Are you okay?
Kate: Yes, I’ll be fine. Let’s walk normally. There are cameras everywhere.
Fin.
BTW, Kate looked STUNNING in that car photograph. Omg, she was breathtaking. I literally gasped when I first saw that photograph.
@Naked Duke, that was quite funny-thank you! Agree with you about the photograph. The more I see it, the more I appreciate it. It was a great catch by the photographer. Classic elegance. He captured her eyes perfectly.
"his Al Capone experience" made me spit out my coffee
someone posted a screen shot of a post (?) about M strolling around downtown Montecito - i can't get to the original post.
Hope this link works
Welcome; I think you are one of our newer commentators?
There will be a slight bump in positive press when the new baby is born and then it will all die down and that will be the end of it, I believe.
The impending (alleged) baby is the next item of PR fodder for which we must now brace ourselves. After the Oprah interview grenade, followed swiftly by PP's illness & death, and Hapless having returned empty-handed . . Markle's next source of fuel will be the arrival of little Diaria Wokeisha Avocadoria Mountbatten-Windsor.
The Covid restrictions are still in force, but it's pretty noticeable that we haven't really heard a peep from Harry's ball and chain since her incendiary Oprah appearance. After the flurry of Tree of Life photos with Burgeoning Bump & beach-running with "Archie", she's been underground. When she released the Tree of Life 'baby announcement' on Valentine's Day looking very with child, she would have been, presuming a delivery date in 'early June', four months away, still in her 5th month. She looked about 8 months along in the photos. Perhaps she did undergo fertility treatments that 'took' for real, something that would have been quite miraculous indeed, considering how very often IVF procedures fail, especially in someone of advanced maternal age. To be due in June, she would have had to conceive a viable pregnancy within *weeks* of being discharged from hospital following what she wanted us to believe was a miscarriage in the second trimester. Pregnancy loss in the first trimester is very common and generally doesn't require hospitalization. I suppose that would be strenuously against medical advice, but then, M loves to defy any and all advice.
Let's just say I remain profoundly skeptical that this is the actual sequence of events that happened. There may be a girl infant who has been sourced from somewhere, but I really doubt it's from Markle's own womb. I await the rollout of the 'home birth' followed by the garden snaps of little Baby Diaria Wokeisha. I am profoundly surprised that we have not seen any other appearances of 'Bump' and M's Gestational Fashions. Perhaps we will be seeing some hastily-arranged Photoshop projects now that H has come home having failed to get all the goodies reinstated. Mommy gonna be needing some attention after she's done hurling breakables at the walls.
who knows? maybe Harry has already had his Al Capone moment by catching syphilis.
A headache the Royal Family
Does not need
Who let her dogs out? Queenie!
Said! --->
Don't darken my doorstep
Or you will be doing a quickly
Aztec Two Step
Backwards it seems
To beat your retreat
And this won't be a dream
My Cogis can me meanies
Upon my command
Upon my land
Biting hands who don't feed them
Is the Royal Corgi whim
Haps think this through
You do unto BRF
We will do unto you
Even beforehand and more
Haps and Megsy
The stripped Royal bores
Within in the next several years, they will divorce, and Harry will return to the loving arms and wallet of his family and head off to Botswana, and be heard from only very rarely. It's what he's always wanted. He got sidetracked by a master manipulator.
I'd say the first part is definitely true. As to H returning to the loving arms and wallet of his family, I think we have had a demonstration during the last few days that there is no loving arms or available wallet any more. The drawbridge is up. The family may be forced to provide the basic necessities of life for him after he comes crawling back to the UK, broke and broken after his DW has run through all his money and skipped out, leaving him with nothing but debts and regrets. Maybe there is a gamekeeper's cottage going spare on the Balmoral estate which H can have in exchange for mucking out stalls. He will never be back as a working royal, either with Her or solo. Charles may financially support him, which would be a mistake, but H will be kept out of sight like Andrew. His behavior at the funeral was excreble. It would be more of same if he is ever allowed to represent the family again.
I used to also believe the Palace gloss that 'H loves Africa! He wants nothing more than a quiet life of service in Africa, with charities he really cares about!'
This was a lie, part of the Hero Hazza image crafted so brilliantly by Edward Lane Fox.
H does like Africa--as a vacation spot at luxury resorts, not as a home base for service projects. The Queen offered him the opportunity as a bachelor prince in 2015, fresh out of the Army, to be based in Africa for part of the year, working on Sentabale and other initiatives. He turned that down, preferring to stay in London and party . . and a year later, he'd cross paths with the Claw and that was that.
People may have forgotten, seeing as so much as happened in the interim, that in early 2019, after the fallout from the Oceania tour, when M was 'expecting', a statement was issued that the Sussexes would be posted to Africa for a period after 'the birth'. M had made it a point during the engagement period to stress how very much she was looking forward to helping her husband in Africa. Yeah. H and M may have been fond of having sex in Africa and outdoor yoga and bathroom activities in the context of an exclusive holiday resort, but doing actual charitable work and 'living' there, amongst the unwashed poor? Not so much. That idea was quickly shelved.
H *was* offered numerous opportunities to work in Africa on charities he supposedly cared about, and to do it while being fully funded by the RF. That was wide open to him while single or married. That was in fact his Gran's hope--that he and/or his wife would be 'the' Commonwealth royals. They threw that offer back in her face, multiple times. Being buried in Africa does not have the celebrity glamour and the opportunity to get seen at red carpet events in jewels and designer gear that is what this couple truly cares deeply about. H was never into glamor and red carpets before M, but he did not propose to remove himself from the London club scene and easy access to those recreational substances of which he is so fond.
I had the same reaction to the Kate build-up. But until I read your post I was a bit afraid to say so. Some here have seemed to feel anything less than a glowing reaction to Kate is tearing her down and will hurt her feelings (as if she reads the blog.)
I thought Kate looked very nice at the funeral. I thought her hairdresser did a very good job with her updo. I thought the Queen's jewelry was pretty. But other than that, it seemed Kate just acted like any normal person would at a family funeral. And acted no differently than the other royal women present did. I didn't interpret her behavior to Harry as "peace making" but simply polite the way any normal person would be.
Eugenie has been criticized for wearing an expensive coat while Kate "recycled" a pricey designer coat. But Kate has had many more memorials and Remembrance events to attend as a working royal and must own tons more black clothing than Eugenie does. Eugenie also still carries some "baby weight" so what's in her closet may not fit anyway. I saw a post (not here) criticizing Bea for not wearing her hair up like Kate. Person thought Bea was being disrespectful to Philip's memory and to the Queen. Really?
Anne's been criticized by some for walking in the processional which I think is nuts. Why wouldn't she walk? Camilla for "looking old" (Hint: She is in her 70s!)
What if Kate had had a bad hair day? What if one of the kids had been sick the night before so her face and eyes showed exhaustion? Would the perceived course of history have been forever altered? (I doubt it but a good appearance seems to have had a powerful effect in the other direction.)
I don't know what the media's game is. I guess there always has to be a good/bad contrast made? Here between Kate and the absent Meghan? And by extension between Will and Harry? But in the past a fast build-up has often preceded a fast tear-down. I'm also nonplussed by the sentiment Will is ready to be king. That does seem unfair to Charles given all of his truly meaningful work. I also doubt Will would welcome that. While HMTQ was younger when she became Queen, times were different. With 24/7 news disappearing for many days at a time is less possible. Look at the reaction to Charles's trip to Wales.
Well done with authentic dialog. I have no doubt that this how it all went down, as H barged his way into Kate and Wills, who were minding their own business.
So we will see some major PR with the Cambridge anniversary and Boss Baby Louis' bday. Someone will not be happy to be left behind in Montecito.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9493415/Security-scare-Windsor-woman-44-walks-Prince-Andrews-house.html
I know he spent time here while in the military but did he make many other trips to the US or show any desire to live here?
California is so VERY different than England.
Both places are beautiful but when you think about it, it's so strange that a member of a thousand-year-old monarchy rich in history who had the run of ancient castles and palaces would ever be happy living in an area where nothing is anywhere nearly as old or historic. And I say this knowing that Harry is not as cognizant nor appreciative of his own history as other members of the RF. Even for Harry, this does not make sense.
I've been to southern California twice, both lengthy trips. I loved the area but to be honest (no offense to any Cali Nutties) I would not want to live there due to the weather and natural catastrophes. I'm from the northeast coast where we don't see many natural disasters so that is where I prefer to stay!
In So California one has to worry about earthquakes, wild fires, drought, mudslides, etc. And Harry moved literally into the center of an area known for disasters with many houses on his own street having been destroyed by the major mudslides Montecito experienced a couple of years ago. It's because of those mudslides in that Riven Rock section of town, that they were able to acquire that house for a lot less than it should have been worth. It's also why the house sat empty for a long time and took years to sell. And the house's location in a disaster zone may also be why they allegedly were able to put so little down and take out such a big mortgage. Even the original 19th-century estate built on that property met with a disaster when it was destroyed by an earthquake in (I believe) the 1920's.
⭐Can anyone tell me where the funeral guests would have been walking to when they left at the end of the service? I'm assuming it was to another part of the Windsor Castle estate - but where specifically were they going to and about how long would it take them to walk there?
With all the crazy press over the last couple of days I'm trying to put the pieces together what might have happened following the service...now that we have the additional BS coming from the Harkle camp courtesy of RadarOnline to mull over.
At first the media was saying there was some type of gathering afterward although they admitted that BP refused to give details - but then I read that there was NO wake or "gathering".
...So where were they all heading when they walked off together? What part of Windsor Castle did they go to and why? I'm assuming their cars were parked somewhere...
I am uncomfortable with how prescriptive we are as a society with royal women. It's really not that different to the rules for medieval gentlewomen. Be quiet. Be modest. Don't draw attention to yourself. Strict dress codes. Part of this I'm sure stems from the overwhelming dominance of the DM, which treats women in general very badly. For example, I think their regular features catching women in bikinis in their private time and serving them up to their readers for exacting criticism should be illegal. Pregnant women are always flaunting or showing off their bump. It's dreadful. They have a separate treatment for royal women but it's just as wrong. The DM sets the tone in the tabloid world, real and virtual. M isn't a victim of this though. She's an operator. She exploits it for her own ends. She wouldn't want to change it while it worked for her. Catherine I'm sure would love to change it, but it's something that would take several generations. I do worry that she follows the rules so perfectly she in effect could be restricting her daughter later, by maintaining this medieval-style code, but we've seen how it feels when that code is ignored. As it was with M. It felt like repeated insults. Turning up at events like an ordinary person rushing for the bus. The royals work far less than we do. I like to know, when they do formal events, that they've had to make the same effort we would make going to a wedding. It's part of the deal.
"Meghan Markle, Prince Harry smiling and posing for the camera© ASSOCIATED PRESS.
Lady Colin Campbell, royal expert and author of biographies like Meghan and Harry: The Real Story, had a different interpretation than most when watching the funeral proceedings for the late Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh."
"While many looked for a moment of reconciliation between Prince William and Prince Harry, Campbell appears to have had a different reunion on her mind — that of Harry and the royal family at large. In a comment to Page Six‘s Cindy Adams, Campbell contended that Harry’s cold reception from the royal family was proof that he and wife Meghan wouldn’t “last.”
Campbell appears to argue that Meghan, Duchess of Sussex went a step too far with the accusations in her Oprah interview, the most damning of which dealt with the royal family’s racism, handling of mental health, and concern for their safety."
“She and Harry won’t last. Once she became the royal Duchess of Sussex, it was off with everyone’s head,” she reportedly told Adams. “Since fallout from the Oprah piece, her name’s mud throughout the Commonwealth, even in the islands. This wrong-footed woman stated untruths. She couldn’t keep her mouth shut. Knowing some statements could not be massaged into reality, Harry went along. Not pleased, he knew they were not true. They were not already married three days before the big wedding. There’s a difference between fact and fiction. He knows the difference in a real ceremony. As did the Archbishop of Canterbury.”
However 'sheKnows' goes on to state that Lady C had previously been very critical of the duo and voiced "suspicions of their ambition on a global stage". They further added "While Harry may be shaken by the relative chill with which his family received him, it’s going to take a lot more than the estrangement he initiated to get him to regret marrying Meghan Markle — in our humble opinion."
MSN.com did a snapshot survey based on Lady Colin Campbell and here are the current results so far....
To what extent do you personally agree or disagree with Lady Colin Campbell's stated opinion that Prince Harry and Meghan Markle "won't last"?
Strongly agree....35%
Somewhat agree....24%
Somewhat disagree...10%
Strongly disagree...21%
Other / No opinion...10%
Note: So approximately 2 to 1 agreeing with Lady C's opinion of the dastardly duo compared to those who disagree. Yeah!
Excellent article by Lady C. Do you listen to Lady C on YouTube? If you don’t, she’s more then worth a listen.
⭐Does anyone know if Harry ever showed any great interest in the United States before Meghan came into his life?
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Never heard of H having any interest in the US except as you said, for flings while in the Military.
I know he spent time here while in the military but did he make many other trips to the US or show any desire to live here?
California is so VERY different than England.
Both places are beautiful but when you think about it, it's so strange that a member of a thousand-year-old monarchy rich in history who had the run of ancient castles and palaces would ever be happy living in an area where nothing is anywhere nearly as old or historic. And I say this knowing that Harry is not as cognizant nor appreciative of his own history as other members of the RF. Even for Harry, this does not make sense.
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If I recall H visited CA when he was just dating MM and met her mother who live there.
I've been to southern California twice, both lengthy trips. I loved the area but to be honest (no offense to any Cali Nutties) I would not want to live there due to the weather and natural catastrophes. I'm from the northeast coast where we don't see many natural disasters so that is where I prefer to stay!
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I'm also from the Northeast and I can remember a couple of weather related disasters that hit my area, Hurricane Sandy being one of them. Those yearly visits during Hurricane season can be quite traumatizing, at least for me and my property. I do think CA was a real culture shock to H, maybe not at first as who doesn't love sunshine and Palm trees, but to live there it is a very different story. Like you I'd find it a nice place to live but wouldn't want to live there. Too much history where I live and I'm a NYer without ever having to live there.
In So California one has to worry about earthquakes, wild fires, drought, mudslides, etc. And Harry moved literally into the center of an area known for disasters with many houses on his own street having been destroyed by the major mudslides Montecito experienced a couple of years ago. It's because of those mudslides in that Riven Rock section of town, that they were able to acquire that house for a lot less than it should have been worth. It's also why the house sat empty for a long time and took years to sell. And the house's location in a disaster zone may also be why they allegedly were able to put so little down and take out such a big mortgage. Even the original 19th-century estate built on that property met with a disaster when it was destroyed by an earthquake in (I believe) the 1920's.
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I agree, it's what I would consider a high risk area since that massive mudslide a couple of years back. I don't have real knowledge of the State itself, only that it was purchased from Mexico around 150 years ago by President Polk.
I have never heard of H having any interest in CA or the United States for that matter. That was more his Uncle David's (King Edward) place.
There is no place on earth (to me) than living minutes from Manhattan. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, but it's mine. I like living in 4 seasons per year and it wouldn't feel natural to have perpetual sunshine all day, everyday.
The Sussexes are setting up major problems down the line for Archie and his mysterious sister to be. I'm not saying all Californian kids are drug addicts but they will be exposed to a greater number of bad lifestyles and temptations there and with parents like theirs ... there are better places the Sussexes could have chosen. If they weren't needing to be permanently on the make. H is totally fooling himself when he argues he has done his kids a favour by 'escaping'. Look at the Cambridge kids. Totally enviable lifestyle and bursting with health and enthusiasm.
Why is that?
Harry has an illegitimate American son, so I guess he did show some interest in the USA
About H living in California - my only issue with Priscilla Presley is her decision to bring up Elvis' daughter in LA. Lisa Marie had a fraught genetic inheritance on her father's side in terms of addictive behaviour (across generations), an albatross around her neck in terms of unsought fame and she was into hard drugs by her early teens, as her classmates were. Priscilla's son by another man has also been in trouble for drugs.
The Sussexes are setting up major problems down the line for Archie and his mysterious sister to be. I'm not saying all Californian kids are drug addicts but they will be exposed to a greater number of bad lifestyles and temptations there and with parents like theirs ... there are better places the Sussexes could have chosen. If they weren't needing to be permanently on the make. H is totally fooling himself when he argues he has done his kids a favour by 'escaping'. Look at the Cambridge kids. Totally enviable lifestyle and bursting with health and enthusiasm.
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Since genetics can be tied addiction it doesn't matter where you live. Not sure Montecito has a large drug culture. But kids with a desire to get high or get drunk will find a way. I don't know if H is a drug addict or not, only that his mother had issues with food and abandonment. I don't know any of the story on MM's side of the family. So it's probably a toss up that their children would be involved with drugs or drinking and become full blown addicts.
What if Kate had had a bad hair day? What if one of the kids had been sick the night before so her face and eyes showed exhaustion? Would the perceived course of history have been forever altered? (I doubt it but a good appearance seems to have had a powerful effect in the other direction.)
I don't know what the media's game is. I guess there always has to be a good/bad contrast made? Here between Kate and the absent Meghan? And by extension between Will and Harry? But in the past a fast build-up has often preceded a fast tear-down.
Yes, t'was ever thus. When Fergie joined the Firm, the media scrum whipping up competition between her and Diana was brutal. Diana had been 'in' for 5 years and the shine had somewhat worn off her . . the persistent tales of trouble in the marriage and Di's disordered eating and histronics was leaking out slowly. She appeared unhappy and high-strung. High maintenance, too. Along came Fergie, jolly, uncomplicated Rubenesque Fergie, who loved to laugh and to eat. She enjoyed life! So much more relaxed and down-to-earth than nervous filly Diana. The Queen loves her! (Actually true this one, something that Diana could never have said in truth even on her best day in the Firm. Fergie is still a favorite of HM even though she's been 'out' since 1996). Diana and Fergie were good friends, and in fact Diana had introduced Fergie to Andrew, I believe. But once the honeymoon period wore off with Sarah, the press was brutal in their pendulum swing of 180 degrees. Oh, look at Fergie . . fat, frumpy and gauche. Duchess of Pork, no class, her clothes are horrible. She looks like a barge. Why doesn't she tame that mop of hair? So uncouth, always braying like a donkey. Her daughters are homely and their names are weird and show-offy. Why can't she be more like the Princess of Wales? Slim, demure, impeccably dressed, with her handsome sons that have proper English names, not Frenchified ones! THAT is a Princess! No sooner does one reach the pinnacle of regard than it's time to knock her off, and then the process starts anew. Because the only thing the press and presumably their audiences love better than a "Falling from a Great Height' story is the 'Tale of Gritty Comeback from Adversity'. It's cyclical and it's relentless.
Catherine and M were subjected to exactly the same dynamic. M, the fresh dynamic 'young' royal (older than Catherine) coming in to 'modernize' and hit the ground running! So stylish! She's highly educated and has had a career and spoken in front of the UN! Dull, work-shy dreary, shy suburban Kate had better watch out! Grace Kelly 2.0 has arrived!
Well. What steaming pile of horse manure that all was. M did get favorable coverage over Catherine consistently, until she bolted. Is still getting it in fact even if she has to buy it. Is still on some lists as a 'style icon'. M never experienced the kind of free-fall that Fergie did when the press turned on her, but M had to run away because she can't compete with Catherine and she knows it. She cannot tolerate comparison unfavorable to herself so she removed herself to conduct the character assassination and toxic 'contest' from afar, on home turf. Because the media and public was largely onto her in Britain and in the States she can hide behind her ethnicity. I'm really pretty shocked she didn't jump on the other bandwagon-du-jour and accuse either Charles or William or both of sexual molestation.
That may yet be coming . . just like she shared 'her miscarriage' months and months 'after the fact.' What can possibly be equally bad to racism? Why, sexual assault of course, especially if the 'victim' is black and the perpetrators are white. With very deep pockets.
Look at the Cambridge kids. Totally enviable lifestyle and bursting with health and enthusiasm.
A must credit to Kate's sportiness and outdoorsy-ness and gardening. Wise owl Kate educates her children into this. Get those (all) children outside and away from their tiny screens that will make the optometrist profession explode. Pipa curranty looks awful from mum's baby-centric hours and stresses. But Pipa (I am a fan) has run marathons. Also long 100 mile bicycle rides for charities. Outdoors is in the Middleton's blood. One can see that their parents always look so healthy and immaculately groomed. These mere plebs, Michael and Carole Middleton, they rose upward and upward as lazy, decadent Aristo offspring dumped on the Middleton's (Katherine in particular) coal miner ancestors.
I am uncomfortable with how prescriptive we are as a society with royal women. It's really not that different to the rules for medieval gentlewomen. Be quiet. Be modest. Don't draw attention to yourself. Strict dress codes
Catherine I'm sure would love to change it, but it's something that would take several generations. I do worry that she follows the rules so perfectly she in effect could be restricting her daughter later, by maintaining this medieval-style code, but we've seen how it feels when that code is ignored.
The pressure must be absolutely horrendous. How can one behave naturally and be engaged in the event at hand when she's got to constantly be worried about what the photos are going to capture? Heavens forfend she trip or have a stain or get caught looking anything less than pristine, serene and smiling. These are human women, not mannequins. The men have a much easier time of it. They are allowed to look moody in photos, so long as their clothes are without visible holes.
Being part of the RF is being a cog in a very high-level public relations firm. It's like a political campaign for an unelected office for life and it's never going to end as long as they live (or don't get divorced). I agree that there is entirely ludicrous pressure and emphasis on appearances, and no matter how accomplished the woman, it all devolves to her hairstyle, her accessories and what/who she is wearing. Is she smiling? Does she look tired? Ooh, there must be marital problems. She's blinking a lot--is she crying? Is she pregnant or is that just lunch? Neverending.
The pressure on Catherine is next-level because she is the future Queen. Perhaps when she is older (a lot older) she will be granted permission to have a bad photo day once in a while. No one critiques Her Majesty's hair or complains that she's not smiling.
I do hope, for Catherine's sake that a more informal/natural style can be introduced when William is King or even sooner. William isn't going to enforce rules on hosiery and clutch bags and nail polish and other style minutae so important to his grandmother. ER enforces her own preferences on everyone as edicts. It will be hard for Charles to let go of doing this because he was raised by his mother's standards. William will usher in a more down-to-earth Royal house. If he gets the chance.
The Sussexes are setting up major problems down the line for Archie and his mysterious sister to be. I'm not saying all Californian kids are drug addicts but they will be exposed to a greater number of bad lifestyles and temptations there and with parents like theirs ... there are better places the Sussexes could have chosen. If they weren't needing to be permanently on the make. H is totally fooling himself when he argues he has done his kids a favour by 'escaping'. Look at the Cambridge kids. Totally enviable lifestyle and bursting with health and enthusiasm.
The problem is 'in-house' as it were. If both 'parents' (please excuse my overuse of quotation marks ala Sammie Markle but I don't want to lend the impression that I actually believe any of the Sussex 'facts') are substance abusers, into party drugs and heavy drinking, then the temptations and the laxity are at home and it won't matter if the kids attend Beverly Hills High or not.
I do take great comfort in the fact that vinyl child-substitutes can't, in fact, suffer deletorious effects from drugs and alcohol.
Let's be frank . . H and M relocated to California because the drugs are more plentiful there and easier to obtain, and the Harkles wanted carte blanche to party as much as they wanted without interference/oversight. Mugs has all her American contacts in that business. Mugs has returned like a homing pigeon to her comfort zone. It's the gutter but she is comfortable there. It's what she knows. It's familiar. She would rather be Queen of the Dung Beetles in SoCal than a #2 Princess to anybody. The Harkles could have asked for, and been granted, probably, a lower-profile life outside of the Royal fishbowl in some Commonwealth country and tailored a role for them there. Canada, even. But, no . . they relocated to one of the places in the world where claiming Royal status while living there was going to be insurmountable. That's on them.
Great reading here. Lots of wonderful stuff you fine people.
I wanted to comment that the fact that Harry felt 'ambushed' by Charles and William really struck me. Charles and William probably weren't acting angry, I don't believe. I can picture both men as serious, sincere and just maybe sad over all. What I think is that they probably came at Harry with almost an intervention style approach. Since Harry is so totally under Meghan's spell, he probably had a reaction to being approached in that form. The fact that he mentions not making decisions about anything without Meghan is his obvious response but probably deeply grieved Charles and William, who probably felt like they had this one chance, this ONE SHOT to speak to Harry alone. To speak to him before Harry goes home, before Harry sees his son and before his other child is born, which is part of his complete addiction to Meghan. You can really feel for both men in this way. Especially Charles, whose been so stricken with grief.
I think both men probably just realize, you know what....he's a lost cause. Just chaulk it up and move forward. Charles needs to get himself in order a bit, but William went right onwards in that wonderful appearance today with Catherine. On a lighter note, how cool is it that Kate's great grandfather flew with Prince Philip to South America!? So funny how paths cross in life. Little did great grandpop know that his great granddaughter would be Queen of the British Empire someday!
Happy Birthday dear Queen Elizabeth!!! I hope she has a really pleasant day despite everything. I betcha Fergie will cheer her
Nuked Duke- that was hilarious
Now I didn't watch the whole Oprah interview but am I correct that the b*tch Meghan actually said that horrid nickname Waity Katie during it?!!! If that is true, wow, she really is a level 10 sociopath. I don't know how I missed that.
I wanted to comment that the fact that Harry felt 'ambushed' by Charles and William really struck me. Charles and William probably weren't acting angry, I don't believe. I can picture both men as serious, sincere and just maybe sad over all. What I think is that they probably came at Harry with almost an intervention style approach. Since Harry is so totally under Meghan's spell, he probably had a reaction to being approached in that form.
Since the primary reason for flying all the way to Windsor from California was to speak to his father and brother about his list of requirements, with the attendance at his grandfather's funeral service a pesky but unavoidable interlude, why should H have felt 'ambushed' (ie, completely taken by surprise and unprepared) that his dad and brother wanted to talk to him? He boarded that plane spoiling for a fight--and then he says he was 'ambushed'? Attacked by his mean relatives unawares while he was just trying to mourn his granddad?
Decoder time:
H did not get the answer he wanted when he finally was able to 'speak' with his father and brother for the first time in more than a year. They told him straight up that he was not going to extort the Crown for anything more than he'd been given already, and his behavior and allegations on American television against his grandmother and the whole family was shameful. They may or may not have used the term 'ungrateful little toerag'. If Pa had come at him waving a big fat checkbook and William had cried and crawled on the floor to beg his forgiveness, perhaps the word 'ambush' would not have been used.
At her sister's wedding in 1960, she was roundly condemned for looking so sour and but we were told it was her `serious' face. From what we have learned since, I daresay she knew more about the groom than they felt they could admit.
I'm not sure which brooch she was wearing - it's large but not `Richmond' that we saw on Saturday?
I'm not sure which brooch she was wearing - it's large but not `Richmond' that we saw on Saturday?
The True Lover's Knot brooch has a romantic name, so it's appropriate that the Queen has worn it on some very romantic occasions. She wore it in 1960 to her sister, Princess Margaret's, wedding.
Forgot the link!
https://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/g35372486/queen-brooches-special-meanings/
Can you honestly get any lower?
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Meanwhile, the wife can’t stop, can she?
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/meghan-markle-archie-spoke-queen-170014417.html
Meghan Markle and Archie Spoke with the Queen Before Prince Philip's Funeral, Says Source
Erin Hill
Wed, 21 April 2021, 6:00 pm
While Meghan Markle couldn't attend Prince Philip's funeral last Saturday, she connected with her grandmother-in-law Queen Elizabeth ahead of the service.
The Duchess of Sussex watched the funeral from her and Prince Harry's home in Montecito as she was not cleared for travel by her physician at this stage in her pregnancy. Meghan is expecting the couple's second child — a baby girl — this summer.
"Meghan spoke with Harry before his grandfather's funeral," a source tells PEOPLE in this week's issue. "Meghan and Archie also spoke with the Queen earlier this week."
In February, Harry said that the family of three had been doing video calls with the Queen and Prince Philip amid the pandemic. "Both my grandparents do Zoom," Harry told James Corden. "They've seen Archie running around."
Harry's return to Britain for the funeral last week meant leaving Meghan and their nearly 2-year-old son Archie at home in California and quarantining for several days at Frogmore Cottage, the Windsor home he and Meghan shared before moving to the U.S. and which they still maintain as a U.K. base.
"Meghan and Harry have been in touch
every day," the source adds. "She knows the trip to England has been difficult for Harry. He didn't want to leave Meghan and Archie alone. Meghan has insisted to him every day though that they are fine. She hasn't wanted him to worry."
After a tense year apart, Harry, who returned home to California on Tuesday, also reunited with his brother Prince William at the funeral.
"It has been a very difficult time," a well-connected royal insider tells PEOPLE of the past year. "The Duke was the head of the family, and if there were any time they were going to come together, it's now."
The brothers are unlikely to meet again before July, when they are due to unveil a statue in honor of their late mother, Princess Diana. "They've had massive input," says a senior palace source. "It's their project."
In the meantime, those with knowledge of the situation hope the brothers will come together out of a respect for another woman who bonds them: their grandmother, the Queen, who "absorbs things quietly," says her former spokesman, Charles Anson.
Never mind whether the Queen wanted to hear from her or not
I sincerely doubt the Grifters moved back to LA for drugs access. You can get drugs anywhere. They moved back because the female of the duo thought they'd be mega-Hollywood stars. Montecito probably because of the Russian connection, but I do think she would have thought Montecito was the ultimate place to live, because it definitely has a very old-money feel, despite the more recent influx of people like Oprah, Ellen and the Hottest of Robs.
HM and the BRF knew Sarah her entire life; she grew up playing with Andrew off and on. Diana may have thrown them together more often as adults, but there was no introduction needed. And I think HM suggested Bea and Eugenia's names, as they were associated with Queen Victoria and one of her granddaughters. Sarah has an enormous interest in QV, and was probably delighted with HM's suggestions. Certainly better than Annabel, in HM's estimation, given the association with the club and it's, shall we say, free spirited namesake, who went on two have to children out of wedlock with the man often rumored to be Diana's real father.
I think the sudden canonization of Catherine is just the usual fascination men/tabloids/the DM-in-particular have with beautiful women, perhaps a tiny bit of wanting to keep the BRF looking appealing and also a tiny bit of trying to push W&K as being a better choice than Charles for the Monarchy. And plus, she did look stunning!
Sorry for the novel, my mama is worse than usual lately, and I had a bit of time while she is napping. It really is like having a toddler again!
I love your menu suggestions for the Montecito B&B. Let’s not forget to add roasted chicken, too. 😉
As for Kate, yes, so what if she was polite & looked appropriately somber & elegant at a family funeral, but most of us don't have to go through important family rituals in front of an audience of millions, or have to participate in a ceremony with a family member whose spouse not only accused the family of being so toxic said spouse was suicidal, but whose spouse also told what was likely a malicious & untrue story about us to a tv audience of millions, all while the funeral recipient lay dying. In the face of the Harkles provocative behavior prior to the funeral, & the intense scrutiny which Kate undoubtedly knew she & William would be subjected to during it, her poise was remarkable. I've never gotten the idea that Kate loves the cameras & lights as much as Megs does.
Yes, Fergie was actually seen as a 'breath of fresh air' when she arrived on the royal scene and some years later, she was nicknamed the Duchess of Pork. The press can be fickle. Princess Anne was not well liked when she was younger. There was the time, in 1982, I think, when she famously shouted 'Naff off' at journalists. Never one to suffer fools gladly, like her father. Apparently, she has never shaken hands with fans. That said, she works hard and apparently doesn't mind sleeping in a tent, for example, when working for Save the Children in Africa. No airs and graces, just gets on with it. That's what people like to see.
Oh no, @Hikari, HM was not immune from criticism over looking glum/disapproving/downright miserable.
At her sister's wedding in 1960, she was roundly condemned for looking so sour and but we were told it was her `serious' face. From what we have learned since, I daresay she knew more about the groom than they felt they could admit.
PM's wedding was a bit before my time; I debuted a year after Edward, but I was thinking more recently, HM's great age and the affection in which she is held hold off criticisms of her appearance/demeanor. At Margaret's wedding, she was 5 years younger than Catherine currently is.
As to what HM 'knew' about Tony prior to the marriage . . this is the basis of a droll scene in which Tommy Lascelles (Pip Torrens) is called out of retirement to help the Queen's Private Secretary, Michael Adeane, with the very sensitive matter of sharing with HM what an investigation has uncovered.
Tommy enumerates no fewer than four women Tony was known to be sleeping with concurrently, ending the litany with " . . .and those are just the natural ones' Pip's deadpan delivery of the word 'natural' is hysterical. As envisioned by the show, the revelations throw HM into labor with Andrew, though I doubt the actual interview ended so dramatically.
The Queen of course couldn't forbade Margaret to marry this one, so it went forward. 18 years of marital misery and cruelty (and a suicide attempt by Margo) ensued, but HM did not interfere.
The Queen looked very nonplussed in 1981 at Charles's wedding, in that horribly unflattering Clorox-green/blue suit. She had a face like a smacked bum, as the saying goes, or rather like she was there to bury Charles, not see him married. She was just a wee bit older then then I am now . . back then I was 15 years old so she seemed to me like a very sour-looking frump. Apologies to HM, but it was not a good day for her. She may have known what was ahead, somewhat. I don't think anyone could have grasped the full horror, not even the principals.
The only other time she's looked more unpleased was at the Markle travesty. Harbinger of things to come . . .
Funny, the first time I thought there would be trouble with Diana was right at the beginning, when she was going into a formal event - may have been during the short engagement - when she kind of winked at the cameras and patted her hair as if to say to the press 'we're all in this together'. She was playing to the gallery, right at the start. I was only a teenager at the time and Diana - two years older than me - was ridiculously young for the position she was in. Just think, if a 19-year-old was about to become the Princess of Wales now, we'd probably be outraged.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/meghan-markle-archie-spoke-queen-170014417.html
Meghan Markle and Archie Spoke with the Queen Before Prince Philip's Funeral, Says Source
The Queen was too busy to speak with idiot child Megsy of Montecito. The RF has written off Arch same as Hapless. A stone cold lie put out by Megsy surrogates aka sources. As in "a source told XYZ to the DM". The RF must never forgive Megs for all her self aggrandizing lies, put out at the expense of the BRF. Haps is 75% of the way to getting on the same list too.
I can't remember now if I read this somewhere or heard it . . and it might have been filtered through The Crown if the latter, but the Queen is aware that she's got a face that tends to look cross unless she makes a concentrated effort at smiling. During the Commonwealth tour of 1954 as a new Queen (as depicted once again in The Crown) she made so much effort at smiling continuously that her face went into very painful muscle spasms and she had to have injections to calm them down. Maybe after that painful episode, she dialed back on the official smiling to save her face. With increasing age and the burdens of state, she now only smiles when she feels like it. When One has reached HM's age, One does not have to pretend anymore. It must be liberating.
William is also blessed (or cursed) with RBF. On a man, RBF looks stoic or resolute. On a woman, it just looks b*tchy.
Yeah, right. Just to be clear it’s fake, she has to invoke Archificial again. Maybe stop talking about your sons private life with the world, yeah?
BP is far too cordial with her, but I suppose that is to be expected from the upper class elite. They have their ways of finishing people, and it normally doesn’t involve social skill niceties.
Yes, Fergie was actually seen as a 'breath of fresh air' when she arrived on the royal scene and some years later, she was nicknamed the Duchess of Pork. The press can be fickle. Princess Anne was not well liked when she was younger. There was the time, in 1982, I think, when she famously shouted 'Naff off' at journalists. Never one to suffer fools gladly, like her father. Apparently, she has never shaken hands with fans. That said, she works hard and apparently doesn't mind sleeping in a tent, for example, when working for Save the Children in Africa. No airs and graces, just gets on with it. That's what people like to see.
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I watched a documentary on the Royals in the past few years where Anne actually explained why she doesn't shake hands. She doesn't do it because her parent's never did it and she just followed suit. It wasn't till Diana came along and participated with all the people. Anne knew this and still decided to continue not shaking hands.
She also mentioned and laughed about how it's no longer necessary to shake hands because everyone has a phone and are usually filming the moment so she doesn't even get to see all the faces in the crowd. How true that is!
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I thought Fergie was great when she arrived and have always thought that with a different kind of marriage she would have been fine. I preferred her to Diana as she was more natural. What you saw was what you got.
Agreed. I really liked her, too. I admired her exuberant red hair and her equally exuberant personality. She looked beautiful on her wedding day--more so than Diana--and I attributed that to both the happiness of her choice and a more naturally resilient personality and constitution. I assume that Fergie passed the Balmoral test with flying colors because she was so sturdy and up for anything. Her boisterousness did get her into trouble on more than one occasion, and Diana sometimes joined in, as with the incident involving a bobby and a brolly. Sarah was 26 to Diana's 20 when she married, but now that I'm twice that age myself, that still seems pretty young to me to be flung into that Royal environment. If Sarah had been able to reign in her spectacular misjudgments with money (and men), and had coped better being a sailor's wife, she'd probably still be in the Firm.
I never liked Andy much but I felt the warmest toward him at his wedding. Between the both of them, he and Sarah have a lot of teeth which they have passed along to their daughters. Bea favors her mother while Eugenie is the spitting image of her father. Whatever their mutual failings (which are admittedly pretty huge), Sarah and Andrew seem to have been good parents and surprisingly, good partners. Which they still are despite being technically divorced. I don't think that ever really stuck. They basically still live together, don't they, and he takes care of all her bills, so it's marriage in practice despite a paper to the contrary. Here's a rhetorical question: If neither half of a a divorced couple really recognizes the divorce which was forced upon them, and continue to live together and co-parent their kids and otherwise act married . . are they, in fact, divorced? In the eyes of the civil authority, yes, but in the eyes of God?
I also remember the interview with them when they were engaged. I remember them being outside and her hair was catching the sun and the wind and they just seemed such fun and so happy. I can't believe it was so long ago and they're now grandparents!
Hopefully they remarry as I agree, in all other respects they're already married. Unfortunately it would be dismissed by many as another rehabilitation attempt but I don't think it would be wholly that on his side and I'm sure it wouldn't be on hers. I don't think the Queen would object now. I did read in Christopher Andersen's book that William thinks Fergie is 'a disgrace' but I would hope he could unbend on that a little. He has a happy, stable family of his own and he could do what he can to bring happiness to another family. Just not the Sussexes.
If there is a divorce one day, H will be the initiator. Sick of hustling and keeping up with the Jones's. They still think HM and Charles will cave to their demands. Its pretty obvious from the funeral visit being 'unproductive ' and their ludicrous PR strategy of "Everything, from titles to money to security has already been taken away. If the family is serious about making peace they could start by returning everything they removed.” aka Begging. The RF don't need them, they need yhe RF (and taxpayers $$$$$).
Funny, the first time I thought there would be trouble with Diana was right at the beginning, when she was going into a formal event - may have been during the short engagement - when she kind of winked at the cameras and patted her hair as if to say to the press 'we're all in this together'. She was playing to the gallery, right at the start. I was only a teenager at the time and Diana - two years older than me - was ridiculously young for the position she was in. Just think, if a 19-year-old was about to become the Princess of Wales now, we'd probably be outraged.
Shy Di really pulled one over on us, didn't she? She was not nearly as shy or as devoid of agenda or savvy as she looked. Considering how very young she was and how sheltered she'd been, she did have a lot more self-assurance than it appeared.
Yes, it was now 40 years ago (gulp!), but still, that is well within my lifetime and memory. As a Gen Xer who is only 4 years and a bit younger than Diana, my recollection of the cultural attitude toward women at that time was that we were the generation encouraged to 'Have it All!' It was the decade of power suiting and power resumes and also the expectation of being Super Mom. Most of the girls who I hung with at school were college bound. I can't think of any of my peers who had no aspirations for a career, even if it was something practical like hairdressing. Nobody I knew well enough to discuss future plans was saying at the age of 18 that their sole goal in life was to marry and procreate straight out of high school but that's all that was expected of Diana. Heck, she had the equivalent of a 10th grade education, barely. On that score alone, she wasn't a suitable match for Charles, the man who tried to have a Laurens van der Post book club on his honeymoon.
When that got out, I derided him as an old fogey who had no idea of the appropriate uses for a honeymoon on a yacht . . but that was then. Now I understand that Charles was desperate to share something very important to him with his new bride--both the man and his ideas were precious to Charles. It was more than the age gap between them that tanked this marriage. It was like they were two different life forms altogether. Even for a girl who was barely out of adolescence, Diana had a very limited mind and stubbornly refused to grow it. I was reading adult books at the age of 12 and though I was then unfamiliar with Laurens van der Post, I would have made every effort to learn what was important to my new husband and let him teach me things. Diana was beautiful but that couldn't take her very far. Today she'd be considered a child bride and that union would be extra ooky.
Both parties needed to meet the other halfway and couldn't. Or wouldn't. Charles certainly could have been more helpful in letting Diana know that black wasn't appropriate attire for an evening out or that cashmere sweaters as Christmas gifts were much too nice and she needed to get farting cushions or similar instead. It's like he was setting her up on purpose to be mocked. Cruel or just clueless? The onus was on Diana to learn, to accommodate, to bend--because she was the outsider who needed to learn their ways, not the RF bending to her ways. Like M, she refused to bend, and it broke her.
'The Crown always wins' . . .? Let's hope so, when it comes to the current Sussex insurrection. It's got to, but they may have to change their time-honored tactics. It's how the American colonials won our war--by fighting dirty, not according to the battlefield codes of gentlemen. What Markle is doing now and schooling H in are guerilla-style tactics, Vietcong style tactics, while the family is still abiding by the gentlemen's rules of engagement.
Theirs is elegant; ours, hers is proving too effective for comfort. Can the RF pivot and adapt? They shouldn't *have* to, but they might have to, if you know what I mean.
Lord she is the worst ever.
Fergie still has the best wedding curtsy. She schooled Eugenie well. We didn't get to see Bea's but I'm sure she held up the York side very well.
It bothers me so many people say she is looking directly into the camera - tell me Nutties - do you think so?
Personally it looks to me she is looking just over and beyond the left shoulder of the photographer. It is subtle but come on, she is not looking directly into the lense.
Bugs me.
Indeed Sarah's curtsy was very deep and Eugenie's is truly reminiscent of it. I have to say I agree with Hikari now. I also google'd Diana's - hers was quite low as well, very very respectable but there is something about Sarah/Fergie's giant smile in the photos that make it all the more compelling.
Wow she sure looked beautiful on her wedding day. Hair was incredible, giant smile, very beautiful (Fergie) and happy.
Because after he proved in the Falkland war that he was The Man. Alpha, at least in his own mind, and out to bed (if you want to call it this) 1000+ women as his friends claim he has. Fergie was driven crazy by this.
Eps must have helped him rack up these numbers. However 50% of the Eps friendship was Eps as A's financial advisor. Giving him ideas such as pitch@Palace where A got a righteous skim (think Swiss chalet) as he traded on his Royal title in ways that H/M can only dream of. Queenie looked away as she indulged A on this.
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For more details on Andrew's not so secret thousand plus women sex life--->>
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9787493/prince-andrew-slept-with-1000-women/
A long-term pal of Prince Andrew, 59, told The Sun: “He doesn’t drink, he doesn’t smoke and he doesn’t take drugs and never has, but sex is his big thing in life.
“He was known as Randy Andy for a reason when he was younger and it’s never really stopped.
“Travelling all over the world as the UK trade ambassador and for other royal duties has given him access to some beautiful women and he’s taken full advantage.
“He is a red-blooded male and, if you like, he is like a sailor with a girl in every port.”
Embattled Andrew’s private life has been under intense scrutiny following the suicide of close friend Jeffrey Epstein, 66 — a billionaire paedophile and sex trafficker.
Although Andrew was notoriously photographed with his arm around alleged “sex slave” Virginia Roberts when she was 17, he has denied sleeping with her — and friends insist he “is not into young girls”.
The pal explained: “He has an eye for a pretty woman and if you added up all his girlfriends and liaisons over the years it would come to way over a thousand.
“But the Duke is not into teenage girls and why would he be? The most beautiful women in the world find him appealing and amusing.” (aka Threw themselves at a British Prince of the Realm) (For bragging rights with contemporary gal pals, and so that one day she might, maybe tell a naughty true tale to her grandchildren)
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Hikari - stop scaring me about the power suits. and the big frizzy hair - the 80s are best left there - in the 80s
Yes the queen was zooming with megs and archie. Perhaps someone at the palace was tasked to man the computer she would call in on and dress in a wig, imitating the queen. Yes megs i see archie's foot its wonderful, now what about a pic of his face. Dear, Dear, you need to straighten that wig, its all off. Is that oat milk latte in your hair. Yes dear, we are besties could you let my sister by another mother Gayle that im doing well. ugh!!
The LA quote was originally posted today in the comment section under one of the articles in the Daily Mail. I recall reading it and wondering if it was true. Hope it was! :)
I agree that the 1980s were a truly unfortunate style decade. The two choices open to women were Madonna/slutty mall rat or very masculine suiting with linebacker shoulder pads. Here, make up and accessories we’re just garish. Professional women now have more options and are allowed to work in offices and look feminine. I only referenced the decade in which I came of age to say that women were encouraged to have aspirations for college and career. Teenagers getting married and pregnant straight away were relics of the 1950s and 60s. Diana was the product of a system that was archaic even in its own time. Catherine was at the time of her marriage, until Meg anyway, the oldest royal bride I believe, at 29. A whole decade older than Diana, but that has certainly paid dividends. Margaret thatcher was an oxford chemistry graduate with distinction, and for someone who was identical in age to the queen, that made her quite extraordinary for her time. Her education was certainly in keeping with other Prime Ministers—Old Etonians and Oxbridge products—But certainly not the norm for a woman coming of age in the 1940s. But Thatcher was from a middle class family. Aristocrats traditionally have an expected much from their girls other than to marry well and be decorative. And produce heirs of course. ER was the Heiress Presumptive really far earlier than 10 years old. There was discussion in the halls of power from the time she was three or four that it was very likely that her uncle David would never produce issue. In that light, it’s fairly shocking to this American that she received so little formal education given what her future was likely to be. She has certainly gotten through very well, but I doubt even her most devoted fans would call her range of conversational topics or interest broad.
Welcome to La La Land, baby! As Meghan Markle prepares for her new arrival, a British expat reveals the TRUTH about giving birth in LA... from lipo after a C-section to breastfeeding rock stars and Diana Ross singing live at your baby group.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9496557/As-Meghan-prepares-new-arrival-truth-giving-birth-La-La-Land.html
xxxxx - after seeing pics of Andrew at the funeral all i can say is ewwwwwww he is now more henry VIII late in life and less that randy andy when he was younger. just ewwww
Snarky not the bland
All seeing, knows all at hand
A- Despite new found heft
Can still swing a mean left
In a barroom brawl
Don't bet against him y'all
Queenie never did
Though now she keeps A well hid
Gorging on sublime Royal chow
This is A's wish
Even raiding Corgi's dog dish
Dishes as he preens
A has to let out the seams
Of his Red military get-ups
And
God save the Queen's pups.
My apologies. It was dreadful.
Sprinkle party had me flummoxed too. The mind boggles!!
Have you heard of a sip 'n see? No shower at all, just a visit to view the new baby? Unlike a shower or sprinkle, it's acceptable that this be hosted by the parents or a family member.
What about a push present? Wherein the mother expects a large gift, usually jewelry.
I'm not defending any of this -- and I had very few of the above, just an office and a friend shower for #1 baby. I'm old--never had a bachelorette party in Las Vegas or Charleston either : ) Nobody did that then. Kids these days!
Just wondering if anyone read or heard how many U.S. televisions tuned into Prince Philip funeral coverage. I see no mention other than UK numbers and did read 10million in Germany! It was respectful homage to know every network and every major cable channel carried live coverage, but no numbers??
Enjoying everyone's comments :)
And JH has been toting a lot of baggage about the BRF and his wife for a while. In FF, it was clear that he was angry that he felt they (his family) were not supportive and that they missed opportunities to show public support (CW was one of them (p341) but the concept was mentioned a couple of times). That anger and resentment within him runs deep.
FF comes off as about score settling and the O interview seems to be the 2.0 version. A 3.0 version - what ever is left to reveal would also bring back the 2.0 plus all the bad PR with it (the unquestioned supposed truths later found to be in error and the death of PP). More people might start looking into the questionable truths which could lead to more questions about what is true and what is real. Sleeping dogs?
It also mentioned about how popular they were, fears they would surpass everyone else in the family (and Diana p 262), the new thing and there are lots of contorted sentences which talk about what new heights they were able to ascend. Crowds were described as "Beatlemania" (p 237) or that SR numbers went up faster than the Pope's (p 299). I can remember thinking "So? So what? What does this prove to the world? the BRF who is all about steady service - huh, how does that demonstrate that you are part of that extension?" and then "What is the encore? What happens to you when someone else outdoes you? Records always seem to be broken sooner or later".
Someone mentioned the idea that perhaps she thought that one would be able to move up with popularity to a higher rank within the family. Maybe. Or maybe the thinking was it would allow them to demand greater money allocations (in order to continue being the rainmakers).
I had heard of push presents but never sprinkle parties. I guess gender reveals are apparently now out.
Catching up —- and Ha! I love the conversation you created between Harry, Catherine, and William. “Harry what the actual f@@k?” Lol!
@Hunter Catherine's photo is hauntingly beautiful.. you had me staring into her eyes like total creeper haha. I will side with you , I do not believe she is directly staring into lens. There is a hint of deflection but I did read this was her regular photographer so there is an intimacy.
All I was thinking when I saw it for some reason is how her mom must have reacted. I bet she cried. It is amazing. Catherine is amazing.
I think it does appear Catherine quite naturally turned and looked at someone holding the camera as the image was taken, but so what? Natural reaction to be looking out especially if she was arriving, departing, or preparing to leave the vehicle. If it was planned and taken that way as a portrait for the day, it was quite beautiful.
But rest easy, because it was by no means the “look at me, I now own your mind” posed, fake, self-interested camera stare practiced by Megs, if that was your worry.
Catherine’s eyes were at once clear, calm but quietly sad, and yet somehow there was new strength there.
Something last week changed for Catherine, in my opinion, perhaps some final choice to freely turn her back on Harry once and for all. She tolerated him, to be civil, but no more. Her eyes were deadened when H was rapidly speaking to her on the steps after the service, she walked up with him when he hustled to catch up with her and William, but she smoothly dropped back and stepped away and don’t think it was to facilitate anything, but to get away from a traitor who didn’t defend the family when his partner in crime unleashed hell upon Catherine and her family,
https://toofab.com/2021/04/21/james-corden-oprah-late-late-show/
Cute Archificial is?
⏩Markle recently padded her Wikipedia page with every detail possible including her lawsuits and the interview:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meghan,_Duchess_of_Sussex
⏩The Oprah Interview also has its own page and it's extensive. It includes the Lady CC claim that Princess Anne made the negative but not racist comments about MM:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oprah_with_Meghan_and_Harry
⏩Prince Harry's page has also been expanded:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Harry,_Duke_of_Sussex
⏩HARRY DID LIST his Grandfather's funeral as an appearance credit on his IMDb page. A poster here had said it was not listed - but it sure is...you have to use the drop-down menu for "Self (125 credits)" to find all his "appearances".
He actually listed two different appearances involving his Grandfather's death one of which is Tom Bradby's coverage:
Prince Philip - A Royal Funeral (TV Special) - Self
Sky News: Funeral of the Duke of Edinburgh (TV Special) - Self
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1056412/
⏩Megxit even has a wiki page!:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megxit
Thanks for the above. Using your Grandfather's funeral as an "appearance credit" is .......no words. Just no words.
None of these things were fashionable when I was getting married, (OAP here) at least not in the UK. I've no doubt they have been around for many years across the pond and you're very welcome to them. :)
What you call a sip 'n see... is the only exception, as of course family and friends would come 'visit' the new baby when the new mum felt up to it. Not all at once though! LOL
Here’s an example. Scroll down to ‘rest of cast’ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14444490/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast
Life behind-the-scenes at the Palace has been "much calmer" since Prince Harry and Meghan Markle quit, a source has claimed.
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Despite the smaller team, a source said that things are "calmer" without Meghan and Harry.
A source said: “One of the main issues with Harry and Meghan when they were part of the working family was their inability to understand how things worked.
"It’s been a lot simpler without them kicking off over why they couldn’t just do what they wanted.
“Things are a lot calmer.”
"Much calmer" - you don't say! As for their 'inability to understand how things worked', H is RF born and bred and they had staff advising and helping them.
Strange this is from the Mirror, which is usually pro M.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/palace-lot-calmer-without-meghan-23955792
Yesterday was the Queen's birthday (not the official one). I saw a photo on Sunday of the Queen at the funeral sitting alone wearing a black mask. I think that absolutely appalling and she needs to give her Prime Minister a bollocking.
campaigned against menstrual poverty among schoolgirls in India.
WTH is that, or do I really want to know?
i would think the palace workings would be a well oiled machine, they’ve been managing tours, events, and appearances for years. with the exception of updating technology and keepng up with ne regulations/ laws. it should be smooth. sure there are travel delays, event cancellations, schedule changes, etc. but it should kinda routine/smooth. unless someone is trying to skirt around the regulations and take gifts without loggint them in, or get swag without logging it in for the taxman, or bill free merched stuff to the expense account, or not coordinate their calender of events / master of their universe grid plan with their own employees or the rest of the palace.
leave the 80’s alone, every decade has their appalling styling. the plastic surgery of today, frozen faces, enormous butts/boobs, blow up doll look with matching garish make-up and blown up injected lips, spiderleg like false lashes of today probably be laughed at in 20 years.and then there the pants that dont stay up, grills, flared rehashed 70’s jeans, athleisure everyday etc, the newer generations always laugh at their parents generation styles, but everything is cyclical and comes back to be recycled again.. big puffy gather sleeves (like Di’s wedding dress) and branch dividian gunnie sax dresses are coming back ,yuck.
Well, it is a serious issue so I hope you'd want to know. In some parts of the world large-scale poverty and attitudes about menstruation prevent girls/women from reaching their full potential. For example, schools may lack toilets and running water and poverty may prevent girl from obtaining effective pads and so on. These factors help to raise the drop-out rate for girls.
Meghan's efforts consisted of writing an article and giving a speech, I think. It was during her "humanitarian" burst just before she met Harry. It seemed to be one of those "bandwagon" issues. (Michelle Obama spoke about it before MM did.)
Of course you are correct lack of education for girls worldwide is multifactorial. (Not sure the Taliban is big in India though.) But this is a real thing. Like many of M's charitable/humanitarian interests though, it seemed to be a flash in the pan. Remember when H&M suggested they'd be the providers of cutting-edge info on COVID? Think that lasted a day and didn't really go beyond "wash your hands" and "don't cough and sneeze on people." Or when they said during forced lockdowns people should study online to be therapists? (H&M, two people who supposedly had no idea what to do when a pregnant woman is suicidal suggesting anyone with internet access can quickly become a therapist. Guess H's BetterUp career makes sense.)
Apologies Off Topic
In a nutshell Greed .
Prince William is the President of the FA which is why he cares.
I’ve posted 3 links to the backdrop of the story
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/comment/article-9496743/ALEX-BRUMMER-ESL-coup-failed-economics-remain-same.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9493203/MARTIN-SAMUEL-battle-isnt-won-end-sordid-beginning.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9487751/MARTIN-SAMUEL-loves-football-feel-Super-League-clubs-way-again.html
"I think the Fergie - Diana friendship cooled when they were pitted against one another in the style wars. It was pretty ironic that they would both end up getting divorced at the same time."
Their friendship didn't cool off because of this or even when Diana kept deliberately sabotaging Fergie to draw those negative headlines on her.
They remained strong friends throughout until 1996 when Fergie released her autobiography in which she included the revelation that she'd caught veruccas from shoes she'd borrowed from Diana.
Diana was so pissed off that she deleted Fergie from her life.
Fergie remained hopeful that they'd make up because that was the pattern of Diana's friendships where she'd summarily delete friends she was annoyed with and equally suddenly bring them back as if nothing had happened.
"..... when they said during forced lockdowns people should study online to be therapists? (H&M, two people who supposedly had no idea what to do when a pregnant woman is suicidal suggesting anyone with internet access can quickly become a therapist...."
Thanks for the reminder.
I guess their internet access was cut off during her period of depression and suicide ideation!!
On a serious note, don't know about other countries, but here in the UK we have an organisation called the Samaritans who deal with talking therapy for poor mental and emotional health.
As long as i can remember, there has been all encompassing ads everywhere urging the general public to call the Samaritans if you are in need of help. To the point where i speculate that the Samaritans may be a govt department.
Their message has been consistent and very public long before mental health became a fashionable cause or indeed society had a better understanding of it.
Ralph L:
As far as I can make out, the Super League is a scheme to make bloated-plutocrat club owners even more bloated! That is, the most famous clubs in various European countries (for UK read Liverpool FC & Man U, for example) playing each other exclusively, abroad, in a kind of closed shop, cut off from their `national leagues', to the fury of their many dedicated fans.
As it's Very Big Business, it would presumably have economic implications as well as bringing down any government which failed to oppose it.
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`Menstrual poverty' still exists in the UK, with some schools having to provide the necessaries. Not sure whether purdah is still applied in certain countries or not - I'd have been glad to shut myself away at times!
60 years ago, when we had obligatory French penfriends, arranged through school, we found many of our counterparts (Parisiennes, not country girls!) still used rags, which had to be washed and reused. We at least had some commercial products, which carried Purchase Tax, on the grounds that they were `luxuries'.
Fashion is always cyclical no matter how absurd it is in hindsight.
80s powersuits were an idea recycled from late 1930s/1940s - watch any Hollywood film from that era.
The big hair from the 80s was as absurd as the big hair from the 18th and 19th centuries. At least the new new version didn't go as big or as high as they did.
That said i enjoy Texan big hair. What's Dolly Parton saying? The bigger the hair, the closer to god?!
Men only stopped being as fastidious about their appearance and fashion during the Victorian age when wars and other catastrohes concentrated the mind and bodies elsewhere.
In the last 25yrs we've seen a gradual return of male plummage and vanity that will eventually match the female kind and i suspect outstrip it as it used to do historically.
"I don't think was all that shocking the TQ had so little formal education at all."
TQ was homeschooled by tutors from Eton. For her future role as monarch she received extra courses in constitutional history from the provost of Eton in her day.
Margaret was educated in the same way her own mother was educated that is to say not at all except to be a lady as prescribed by Edwardians and earlier historical notions of the education of ladies eg dancing, music lessons and language. Possibly household mananagement aka how to manage one's servants.
Margaret railed against her lack of education especially when her sister had received it as they grew up together.
As someone in a family that worships the game, I appreciated James Corden's rundown of why the Super League is so devastating:
https://youtu.be/VbxvgwvaX_4
The Super League is an oligopoly. It locks out smaller football (what Americans call soccer) teams from ever competing in the league's games and finals. This is economically devastating to the small teams and their local economies. The small teams will inevitably die off and the Champions League will eventually be replaced completely by the Super League. The whole purpose of the Super League is so the billionaire owners that own the so-called "best" teams can consolidate where football fans spend their money supporting the game.
"....Margaret thatcher was an oxford chemistry graduate with distinction, and for someone who was identical in age to the queen, that made her quite extraordinary for her time. Her education was certainly in keeping with other Prime Ministers—Old Etonians and Oxbridge products...."
Margaret's education and career can't be distilled as simply as this. There are many other reasons that make her progress to Oxbridge extraordinary plus there is no equivalence between her and The Queen. Also, Eton / Oxbridge connection is often disparaged without an understanding of how or why it exists.
Firstly, until 1998, university was free to all UK nationals regardless of type or status of university one attended.
The only requirement that decided where you ended up was your grades at A level. That remains the case now, but choice is hampered by the introduction of university fees after 1998.
Oxbridge universities required and continue to require a AAA score at A level to receive a place there except in cases where you take and pass their very difficult entrance exam which leads to a conditional offer of a place and lowered grade requirements at A level.
All this to say that attending Eton doesn't automatically mean you'll end up at Oxbridge though it helps that Eton prefers an overall academically bright student body who are coached and hothoused into Oxbridge. Likewise, any bright student from any other school in the country or abroad can attend Oxbridge if they get the required AAA score or pass the entrance exam.
This is what made Margaret's Oxbridge career possible.
What made her extraordinary was her background before she arrived at Oxbridge.
Her family was lower middle class in the North of England. She attended an ordinary state primary and won a scholarship to a grammer high school.
Disclaimer: Grammer schools are state-funded schools that select their student body according to their academic record. Education received at a Grammer school is on a par with private education and those schools tend to be ran along the same lines as private schools.Pupils from Grammer schools are just as likely to end up at Oxbridge as privately educated ones.
Margaret getting to a grammer was an achievement in itself.
In her working life, in social class terms almost every PM had been prep schooled and Eton / Harrow high schooled which made lower middle class, state primary, Grammer high schooled Margaret progress further than being an MP extraordinary.
And that's before you touch upon the sexist expectations of women from that era.
The second point you touched upon as far as education difference between Margaret and The Queen is mistakenly putting them in the same class and applying the same expectation to them.
Historically upper class women like the Queen were better educated even if their education comprised of music lessons, basic reading and writing and languages than lower class women.
However once education became open to all classes of women, lower class women far outstripped their upper class equivalent as far as education and getting to university if their grades allowed. Partly this was due to the advantages education brought to their working lives.
In the 70s and early 80s it was still perfectly acceptable for the women of the upper classes to stop their education at the govt mandated statutory requirement of 16yrs old. They were then sent off to finishing school and or secretarial college. Expectation was that they'd make a good marriage and become housewives or society hostesses and not much else.
That difference mirrored the historical reality that upper class women were kept women while the lower class women had always worked and did everything they could to acquire the necessary skills that allowed them to work.
In a nutshell Greed .
Prince William is the President of the FA which is why he cares.
These soccer crazed Brits
All in a post-Brexit snit
Evil billionaire Euros
Stealing UK best teams
So it seems
Done with Re-moaner collusion
This no illusion
Well done by Prince Wills
This was no overspill
Makes the RF look better
Contra Montecito fakers
Them brassy money takers
And without a doubt
This is all I care about
For Wills and Kate
Just keep "Doing You!"
With never a doubt
Your aims are true!
Even if they don't have a mortgage, the property tax bill isn't their only large expense. That property is huge - it would take a small army of full-time housekeepers and gardeners to keep it up. And of course, every property needs regular maintenance and repairs. They are also spending a fortune on lawyers and publicists, and of course security. I have no idea where the money is coming from. Perhaps they're up to their eyeballs in debt, which is why they are so frantic to get more money from Prince Charles.
They saw it as threatening. Whenever I tried to reason something out with my father, he'd say disparagingly `Is that what they teach you at university?' My mother really wanted me to marry a local boy so I'd stick around.
This was in the first year that Local Education Authorities paid one's fees on a sliding scale according to family income. One chum, who didn't receive a grant, because her father was well-paid, had to fund herself, for all that he could have helped. Another, in receipt of a partial grant, received a college scholarship for her performance in the first year exam, but her father cut his contribution by the same as a result. In effect, he got the reward, she didn't
It was national policy after the war to help those of ability but limited means to go to university, as it was realised that a great deal of talent had previously been wasted. There were of course very few places then.
Perhaps they've been given credit on the assumption that the Royal family will cover their debts and pay up? If that's the case, their creditors are going to have a nasty shock, but not as nasty as H&M will get.
Are they already being pressed to cough up? Are the bailiffs at the door?
The lockdowns here haven't done much, if anything, to minimize deaths and illness. In fact, the open states seem to have done better on that score. Our children have been in school all year. Most of the transmission was done in after-school activities and at home.
Personally, I think vitamin D status has a lot to do with how severe a case of illness that a person gets and, sadly, the UK is on the short end of that stick for getting enough vitamin D through sun exposure. The mainstream media again attempted to smear our governor, insinuating that there were elevated black death rates and it was, of course, the governor's fault. The fact is that our black death rates are 30% below the rest of the US and we're not locked down. It isn't mask wearing, either, because most people don't do that, just those people that are most at risk.
TQ was homeschooled by tutors from Eton. For her future role as monarch she received extra courses in constitutional history from the provost of Eton in her day.
In The Crown episode 'Scientia Potentia Est', this aspect of Elizabeth's education is covered in flashback as the new young Queen confronts her mother over perceived deficiencies in her education in a heated scene where she complains that 'needlework and reading poetry with Crawfie' have left her completely unprepared to hold her own in dialogues with her Prime Ministers and other dignitaries she meets. The young Elizabeth is depicted going to Eton College to meet privately with the provost in his office (where, according to the show, he kept an engaging pet raven) but this is probably dramatic license, and just an excuse to show the College. It doesn't seem very likely that Elizabeth would have been taken to a boys' school but rather that the provost would have come to Windsor Castle for their lessons.
The Queen speaks excellent French. But her abiding interest and comfort zone is equine husbandry, racing and dogs. Horse breeding is pretty technical, and she has assiduously applied herself to that subject. Philip enjoyed sporting with horses--polo and carriage driving--but I think breeding and racing, the Queen's passions, were not particularly interesting to him.
The tragedy of Margaret is that she was probably the brightest of the lot, with no suitable outlet for that intelligence. She is quite the fascinating character and my interest has been piqued to delve more into her tumultuous, ultimately sad . . ultimately wasted, life. Not entirely wasted--David and Sarah are here, and Margaret's grandchildren--but how much more she might have been if born into another setting. Margo was a born actress, really, or she might have made a success as a concert pianist--she had that drive to be the center of attention.
Given the immense resources she had, even while living in Clarence House under Mummy's thumb, in terms of access to the best tutors in any subject imaginable, and any number of organizations eager to be affiliated with her as Royal patron, she might have opted to continue her education and broadening her scope of interests as an adult, rather than rail for life against the lack of formal education she'd received as a girl. It's never too late to learn. I work with the local literacy council in my town where people in their 60s and above are learning how to read after a lifetime. That always infuriated me about Diana as well, her lack of intellectual curiosity. Later in life, Diana did engage a speech coach to help her with her public speaking and started to harness the power of her celebrity for charitable causes but that was really pretty late into the marriage--post-separation even. Up until then, her coverage was almost exclusively about her hair, her clothes and her children.
Di and Margaret had a very similar self-preoccupation and preferred to wallow in their unhappiness over their love lives and their perception that they were not loved, understood or getting enough attention. Being happy, or at least productive and content in one's sphere comes from within, not from outside. Margaret and Diana expected other people to give them happiness and purpose rather than applying themselves to finding those on their own. That's why they were two completely miserable and self-destructive women, despite living in palaces. They were too self-absorbed to ever think any level of happiness was enough.
I came across a video last night detailing the funeral of Princess Margaret in 2002. Charles shared his memory of his aunt at the piano, playing animatedly with her signature long cigarette holder in her mouth. But the commentator spoke of the 'mixed feelings' that greeted the passing of Margaret, intimating that she was much more a liability than an asset to the Firm and that in some quarters, there may have been relief that she was finally at peace in a way she never was when she was alive, and that at last they were Margo-drama/scandal free. Rather like they might feel now that H and M have decamped--though we cannot, unfortunately, say that they are Gone. They have proven even more troublesome now that they are Out than when they were In.
Good morning Nutties.
Hmmmmmm.
(II mean, yes, they come across as money hungry, but that doesn’t mean they need/are desperate for money right now, and yes, we can assume they have a mortgage and have the debt of the house, and of course ongoing expenses).
I agree upkeep on their property has to be tremendous.
I still believe Charles either gave them the down payment or bought the house outright. Generally speaking, houses are an excellent investment and the fact that Prince Harry lives there would surely give it a high resale value. There would be no reason for Charles to not buy the house as an investment for his private portfolio other than to simply say No to Harry, which I don’t really think Charles would do.
I thought though, IIRC, news sources were able to find a mortgage in HAMSs name??
Many have speculated here about the monthly costs incurred by Grip and Drip. Many of us feel that their staff etc is much, much smaller than is projected. Its quite possible that Grip does most of the PR herself--writing and releasing the puff pieces. They tend to come out on the same sources (VF, Good Housekeeping, Marie Claire, People, etc--publications where she has connections). What staff they have probably is demanded to do other duties not just those specifically assigned to them. Remember sending RPOs out in Canada for coffee? Things like that. Have always thought that is why the Gates woman left, asked to do things that weren't her job and were probably far beneath her position.
Personally, I have always believed that they spend recklessly and run up tabs to astronomical limits, knowing that "The Palace" will quietly cover the costs as to avoid the "Harry files bankruptcy" headlines.
The mortgage was to an entity called something like "Real Estate LLC". Very generic. Most think PC gave them the £5.000.000 down payment but not the whole thing. Others speculate some deal worked out with the "Russian" where the mortgage is owner financed or whatever.
Harry living there doesn't really add that much to the resale value (have we heard of Tyler Perry's house finally selling?) because Harry is not the only big name celebrity in the area. He's not that big compared to an Oprah or a Tom Cruise or ..... He's getting to be a smaller fish every day.
HAMS house is much nicer and in Montecito, which has seen an explosive buying and selling market since the pandemic. I read an article about it yesterday that was interesting, in fact, I read two really interesting articles about the area that I will link if anyone is bored and looking for some reading.
Articles about Montecito not related to HAMS:
About stalkers in Montecito and who is watching the stalkers (really engrossing): https://www.montecitojournal.net/2021/01/07/somebodys-watching-you-but-whos-watching-them-welcome-to-the-weird-world-of-the-stalkers-of-celebrity-stalkers/
Celebs aren’t the only buyers in Montecito (about the explosive real estate market since the pandemic): https://www.wsj.com/articles/celebrities-arent-the-only-buyers-after-montecito-real-estate-11607551226
I still believe Charles either gave them the down payment or bought the house outright. Generally speaking, houses are an excellent investment and the fact that Prince Harry lives there would surely give it a high resale value. There would be no reason for Charles to not buy the house as an investment for his private portfolio other than to simply say No to Harry, which I don’t really think Charles would do.
I thought though, IIRC, news sources were able to find a mortgage in HAMSs name??
There's a lot of opaqueness surrounding this property for sure. Nothing can be confirmed, which is par for the course with the Harkles. For a couple that proclaimed how much they required 'privacy', no time was wasted to publicize the precise location of their new address. Of course the cachet of owning a Montecito mansion is lost if that fact doesn't dominate the Internet, from M's point of view. Usually mega-rich people are extremely shy to publicize that broadly where they live, especially if they have retired to a relatively small and out of the way community like Montecito for peace and quiet. The very security concerns that could be headed off by keeping where they live on the QT is exactly the kind of 'attention' M is seeking with all these bogus police calls to her home.
Rob Lowe says he witnessed a person driving a black SUV into the gates, a ponytailed person he jokingly called the 'Loch Ness Monster'. Most likely a flunky sent out for coffee or similar, since H demonstrably has no ponytail. But possibly it could have been H in some sort of disguise. If so, it's interesting that he feels no safety concerns tooling around California in cars or on bikes alone but has to lodge claims for the need for a security entourage when visiting his grandmother's home. The chances that he could get carjacked in his Escalade in L.A. are a lot greater than his being hassled by the natives in Windsor.
Other anecdotal reports have the guard station empty at Mudslide Mansion and M lurking outside in the foliage waiting for the FedEx truck . . and according to other reports, the property was still listed as a 'for hire per diem' site for film productions as late as November 2020 with bookings available for most of December and New Year's. These could be apocryphal, of course. If Charles has purchased the house, then there should be no reason it's still listed for short-term rentals.
For all M's self-promotion of herself as super intelligent, I do not think she is, really, about something as adult as money. Why should she have ever bothered to learn? Her MO has always been to attach herself to guys with a lot of money, spend them dry and move on to the next wallet. No matter how much the RF might settle on her in a divorce, M will spend it all in a year and agitate for more. So the initial cost of one home, even a lavish own, isn't going to break the bank for Charles. It's the ongoing cash drain that Markle is going to be for as long as she lives that has the potential to bankrupt him. And H is even worse in terms of making adulting type decisions. I peg the executive functioning of that one at 'toddler level'.
Lady C DISHES on Harry's rush 2 Meghan ;their problem's root; how 2 neutralise them/Doria
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF0KSCoDTnc
It is terrible that a vice principal blames you instead of helping you. Don’t let one bad experience stop you from trying to get help.
August 2020):
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12416919/prince-harry-meghan-markle-home-us-costs-5million/
... and here's one about how much British taxpayers spent on them before Megxit:
https://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/a32654823/prince-harry-meghan-markle-cost-british-taxpayers-53-million-forensic-audit/
Other posters here have suggested that H has a solid income from investments. This is probably true ... but IMO opinion no money will can survive being drained.
And I'm one who thinks the whole Spotify/Netflix/ButterCup things are all smoke and mirrors. Their income relies on H and H's cachet as royals. Haven't heard about any podcasts lately, have we. I see them as quietly distancing themselves from M and H and eating the loss. The companies probably also have tea leaf readers who are keenly aware of what a pair of monstrous cads they are seen to be. I'm no business mogul, but they seemed like a bad bet from the get-go.
This is not a new idea, but PC could edit the Sussexes out of the RF by requiring anyone in his scaled down version of the Monarchy to reside full time in the UK. No funding or participation in official events without the individual(s) actually living on British soil year-round.
I at least hope that PC is coming to some decisions during his retreat in Wales that will settle the question of what future role H and M will play going forward, and that the Queen will go along with his plan regardless of her personal feelings for her grandson Harry.
California is a community property state, so it wouldn’t matter whose name it’s in in terms of any future divorce.
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This has been debated over the years, as no one knows how the royal portfolio is diversified, or even its amount. This is frustrating, to say the least. I read in several places that it is only income earned after marriage that is susceptible, though. In other words H's gilt-edged securities are not subject to M's machinations. The Netflix/Spotify/ButterCup stuff doesn't amount to a hill of beans, IMO.
But it's still my opinion that the whole ButterCup deals are smoke and mirrors, and won't satisfy the voracious beast that M and H's expenses must be.
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@ Rebecca, You and me both! Chinese water torture is so apt! Maybe the PR is simply hoping to wear us down enough to dully keep clicking on the clickbait out of habit, I dunno. I know that I, for one, has stopped clicking on the articles. Hope many others do the same.
I'm sort of worried about the escape to Wales. I wouldn't even know how to interpret it. The worst case scenario is some kind of breakdown, but that seems kind of melodramatic.
Lady C talks about the reverence due to the altar - what she says certainly applies to Roman Catholic churches where the Host (the consecrated wafer[s]) are kept on the High Altar, in an aumbry or monstrance. It doesn't necessarily apply to Anglican ones.
The Anglo Catholic church where I worshipped have kept/reserved the Host/Sacrament but usually in a side chapel, with a light burning before it. It was brought out in a monstrance for Benediction after Sunday Evensong but otherwise stayed there lest it be required in an emergency, that is for the Last Rites should the priest be called to a dying person.
Very `High` churches do sometimes keep the Host on the chief altar, if there is approval from higher up in the diocese. I can't answer for Evengelical/Happy Clappy parishes (Welby's sort) as they have a less exalted view of sacramental worship.
I found a report (from 1962) about St George's Windsor which states that the Reservation of the Sacrament had been restored.
https://www.stgeorges-windsor.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/FR-Vol-3_1962.pdf
I cannot see any sign of this on the High Altar though, and assume it's in a side chapel.
The convention is that one genuflects to the Host; if it's not at the altar, one bows. At Communion, one usually genuflects once one is clear of one's seat. Both should be done reverently, not scrappily.
I haven't checked my recording of the service to see exactly what H did - I'd say he should have bowed but even so his movement was vague, pretty half-hearted and affected by his desire to get out as quickly as possible - in order to catch William?
https://www.noozhawk.com/article/on_riven_rock_road_in_montecito_hikers_and_homeowners_collide_over_parking
Blogger Wild Boar Battle-maid said...
Disapproval of giving girls a `good' education wasn't limited to the upper classes- in the 1960s I experienced it from lower middles of a similar vintage to the Queen Mother. One neighbour told my father he didn't approve of girls being `educated above their station in life' and an aunt made acid comments about girls not holding with girls being `over-educated'.
They saw it as threatening. Whenever I tried to reason something out with my father, he'd say disparagingly `Is that what they teach you at university?' My mother really wanted me to marry a local boy so I'd stick around.
Indeed. There is a certain segment of society that rejects education* even now. I would have to agree that it is 'class'. There are people living below the poverty line due to illness or the illness of their children, disability, or a family member that requires full-time caretaking. These are the people that need help and I am happy to give it. There are others that are below the poverty line because of the choices that they have made. The safety net is enabling them to continue to make poor life choices.
*By education, I don't necessarily mean schools and university. I have educated myself more thoroughly on my enthusiasms than a university ever could.
Lady C 's video - a note about H bowing/genuflecting to the altar:
(also) 'I haven't checked my recording of the service to see exactly what H did - I'd say he should have bowed but even so his movement was vague, pretty half-hearted and affected by his desire to get out as quickly as possible - in order to catch William?'
(This I couldn't guess at ... but I seem to recall H at the best of times showing boredom at church gatherings, and at the worst outright contempt. Just my reading of his body language.)
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I was raised in the Episcopal faith here in the States, where reverence toward the altar began at quickly kneeling by the pew after one gets ready go forward to receive Communion, and then again when returning to the pew. It kind of evolved to bowing toward the altar at any opportunity when passing it.
IIRC correctly, there was a lot of talk at the Morocco tour of H and M that they were sent there to prevent them from going to the Oscars. Could it have been an attempt by their PR to show how they were "so important" for the tour, that they could NOT have possibly gone to the Oscars (as they undoubtedly planned)?
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Completely O/T, but this British movie is a joy to watch: All about a young boy who travels to London to influence the Prime Minister to yield to his father's ideas on how to run the country ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdPHe7wIAGM&list=PL-ignPLRFcioJwTZDbG4T3J13tbopkxhZ&index=18
60 years ago, when we had obligatory French penfriends, arranged through school, we found many of our counterparts (Parisiennes, not country girls!) still used rags, which had to be washed and reused. We at least had some commercial products, which carried Purchase Tax, on the grounds that they were `luxuries'.
Wow what a trip. The Brits & the French have such a weird relationship for two countries who've hissed and spit at each other for centuries. I never noticed/realized this weird quality until I lived in France and got to know more Brits.
Also the thing you (WBBM) say about not striving beyond "one's station in life" that is suuuuuuuccchhhhh a British concept. I really noticed that too, such a different culture in the UK.
A note on Rob Lowe's comment about the driver with the ponytail - when I heard that my first thought was what he was REALLY saying is "I don't know WHO lives there but the only person I saw had a blonde ponytail" AKA "haven't seen either of them there, couldn't tell you."
I thought it was shady and cast doubt on them living there at all.
And yes of course if the place is still posted for location shots, I can't imagine why the Chief Grifter wouldn't want to capitalize on that if possible.
"German TV had camera crews in front of the house in Montecito. Harry hasn't left nor arrived before or after the funeral." Oooops! Looks like someone forget to rent the house for the day. Must be all those "pregnancy" hormones making her forgetful.
Huh. How about that.
Did see where Harry released an earth day statement
https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/entertainment-celebrity/prince-harry-honors-prince-philip-as-he-celebrates-earth-day-by-narrating-conservation-video/ar-BB1fWs65?ocid=uxbndlbing
some typical word salad about collective wellbeing and harry has voice over work. All harry all the time. M where are you?
OMG you guys - from my Skippy's blog there is an Anonymous comment which reads (typos included):
"German TV had camera crews in front of the house in Montecito. Harry hasn't left nor arrived before or after the funeral." Oooops! Looks like someone forget to rent the house for the day. Must be all those "pregnancy" hormones making her forgetful.
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If true, would be totally par for the course. Same as I am becoming to believe.
Also missing, our woke princess didnt make a comment about the George Flyod/Derek Chauvin verdict. Or the young knife wielding woman killed in Columbus. She focuses on not being told how to sing the national anthem and that the royals are racists.
Did see where Harry released an earth day statement.
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H and M are not spending their money on Sunshine Sachs for no reason.
Jump on any topical situation. Prove your racist credentials. Rake in the cash.
Won't last, though. I'm willing to bet money on it.
Those children will grow up to be resentful teens and getting worse as they age. Imagine being related to royalty, and being kept from knowing one's family? Really effed up parenting.
A note on Rob Lowe's comment about the driver with the ponytail - when I heard that my first thought was what he was REALLY saying is "I don't know WHO lives there but the only person I saw had a blonde ponytail" AKA "haven't seen either of them there, couldn't tell you."
I thought it was shady and cast doubt on them living there at all.
Oh, yeah. Considering that Rob is more or less the unofficial mayor of Montecito. He'd know every property there, who owns it and probably previous owners going back 20 years. I've never been there, but it sounds like it's small and intimate enough that most of the celebrity residents know each other and their comings and goings, if only superficially. It sounds like the type of place that even famous people can get out and about, and do. So the complete absence of the Harkles from this scene, the 'young growing family' with their toddler and impending baby--Ha. It's coming up on a year since they ostensibly moved in, so even with Covid on, some of their neighbors in town should have caught a few glimpses of such a high-profile duo.
Never seen in Montecito, these nearly-10 months past, but spotted 'completely by random' on 'some street in Beverly Hills' merching winter parkas on an 85-degree day in L.A. Incidentally just days after the Fosters were papp-strolled taking a walk in the same neighborhood.
Rob knows what's up. And James Corden has zero poker face. He changed the subject so fast, if he'd been driving a car with Rob Lowe in it, they would have both gotten whiplash.
Now, of course, it's easy to see that JC was nervous about tanking the bus-top interview with H if he went down this line of speculation with Hot Rob, even in the guise of a joke. Megbeth does not and cannot tolerate jokes.
And yes of course if the place is still posted for location shots, I can't imagine why the Chief Grifter wouldn't want to capitalize on that if possible.
Well, I suppose she *could* capitalize on that, ie. get a cut if she agreed to let her property still be used in that capacity, but it was a separate real estate firm that was handling the applications and bookings. Presumably the home has been popular for that purpose precisely because it's been uninhabited for so long, so these film and TV companies can come in and take it over for their contracted purposes. But that wouldn't be ideal for a 'young couple with a toddler' to be living there full-time while film crews were in, even if they could avoid each other in so big a house. What about their prized privacy? For sure, Herself wouldn't want any film crew people wandering around and finding out that 'Archie's Nursery' is actually the bondage dungeon, for instance.
My feeling is, this Montecito house is strictly short-term for the Harkles, if they are there at all. Maybe the $5 mil 'down payment' mentioned was actually a short-term lease.
The rental fee for film companies is $700 hr (10-hour minimum). That's $16,800 for 24 hours. x300 days = there's your $5 million. That's a one-year rental on that property at those published rates. Or, they may get a discounted rate to stay there if they clear out during film productions, when they could conveniently bunk at one of their pal Oprah's satellite pods. Maybe they rent Mudslide Towers by the hour for their little Zoom manifestos and photo shoots on the grounds with or without rent-a-baby and rent-a-bump, and stay with Oprah the rest of the time, having pocketed the $5 million from Charles.
I put nothing past her at all.
In the wake of the 'unproductive' talks with the RF and the interview s---tstorm and the very possible withdrawal of their Netflix and Spotify deals, I would seriously keep my eyes peeled for news of their impending move sometime this summer, after 'the birth' of little Wokeisha Avocado. If they moved in in July, their lease will be up soon.
From the man with 16 bathrooms and acres of green space all requiring how many millions of gallons of water per year . . the same dude who drives an Escalade and never met a private jet he didn't like, and who sends flunkies out (in the Escalade or other) to get boutique coffees from companies accused of racism and ecosystem-injuring practices instead of drinking coffee at home.
H does not know what hypocrisy means and he certainly can't spell it!
Re them not living at Mudslide Manor: how to explain the photo of the black Escalade turning into the driveway? Was that one of her pap setups too? I can't figure out what is real and what is fake anymore. sigh.
I think Hot Rob's whole point, quickly shot down in panic by James Corden is that he saw *a* vehicle, but that he knows it wasn't H driving it.
As I mentioned above, the property has been listed as available for rent as a location for film productions. So there could be vehicles coming and going from the property. Based on Hot Rob's description of a burly pony-tailed individual, it sounds more like a crew member for a film set than H. Might be a security person for the Harkles since we know they love to send their close protection on coffee runs, but just the presence of a black vehicle turning into the drive is not *proof* that H lives there.
Also, Rob is out and about a LOT in Montecito and this encounter was notable because he'd never seen any sign of H or activity at that address before. Rob isn't far at all from there and I think owned the property next door at one point.
Re them not living at Mudslide Manor: how to explain the photo of the black Escalade turning into the driveway? Was that one of her pap setups too? I can't figure out what is real and what is fake anymore. sigh.
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@Hunter
I was just going to post the info CG33 did above - the DM had several photos of Harry's car along the route from the airport to home including turning into the driveway.
That info from Skippy must be false.
Sometimes I think that Skippy either doesn't care about trying to authenticate and post accurate info or that she might not think twice about trying to stir up false rumors. I used to read her site way back at the beginning of this whole mess when there were not many other places to go. Back then she would get some good intel at times but I think she may not be very reliable.
@Jdubya and Miggy
I'm loving that post you found at LSA and it appears that Miggy is right - it's a screenshot of a comment someone left on a DM article.
It's what I've been hoping for - comments from people that live in Montecito and it sounds like it could be genuine to me. The poster described some sightings of them including the Harkles walking past a local bar and the patrons shouted at them "go home"! It also mentions Doria and Archie...
Here is the link again:
https://www.lipstickalley.com/attachments/a780f5f8-641b-4cb9-9102-563a85f81f47-jpeg.2491885/
But I'm not sure if everyone can see it...I think you have to a member of LSA (which I am) in order to read these links outside of the site.
⭐@Nutties
Let me know if you are unable to read/access the link.
If Nutties are blocked from reading it, I will transcribe the post here.
Also-
⭐@Miggy - do you remember which DM article the comment came from? I'd like to try to find it and dig around a bit to see if that poster had anything else to say!!!😁
"Well... against everyone's wishes, he returned back here. It's not like she is on bed rest. She's been walking the lower village since the pregnancy and her mother has the 1st child wandering around....waiting to be spotted. At the Honor Bar, she and Haz walked by and a group of people having brunch yelled, "go home!" Had to chuckle, she looked ridiculous. Our town is comprised of old Hollywood not "newbies" like Oprah, Ellen - they are annoyances. Simply proving money can't buy class. The paparazzi from these bumbling fools has caused havoc in town, can't even go for a simple bike ride. Ego got in their way and they aren't welcome here and, clearly from the other posts, they aren't welcome back in the UK. It's an utter shame to disrespect a woman who spent her entire life in service. A service she didn't ask for and just lost the love of her life. #leavemontecito #notwelcomein805"
Yes would you please transcribe the post you mentioned
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9493697/Prince-Harry-returns-home-Montecito-reunite-pregnant-Meghan-Archie.html
There are two different pictures of the car turning into the driveway, but they are from different directions. Also saw it pointed out in one of the blogs that it doesn't seem like he would have worn a suit to fly home in.
The navel outline in the beige bag looked exactly like the ones in the moonbump ads.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZutmqaiGRrk&t=19s
Does anyone know what badge H wore on his coat at the funeral? All the other insignia thus worn showed who was a Knight of the Garter.
⭐@Miggy - do you remember which DM article the comment came from? I'd like to try to find it and dig around a bit to see if that poster had anything else to say!!!😁
It took a fair bit of searching but I've finally found it for you! 😌
It's under 'Best rated'... and you need to scroll pretty far down the page.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9493697/Prince-Harry-returns-home-Montecito-reunite-pregnant-Meghan-Archie.html#reader-comments
Lululabonte, Santa Barbara, United States, 2 days ago
Well... against everyone's wishes, he returned back here. It's not like she is on bed rest. She's been walking the lower village since the pregnancy and her mother has the 1st child wandering around....waiting to be spotted. At the Honor Bar, she and Haz walked by and a group of people having brunch yelled, "go home!" Had to chuckle, she looked ridiculous. Our town is comprised of old Hollywood not "newbies" like Oprah, Ellen - they are annoyances. Simply proving money can't buy class. The paparazzi from these bumbling fools has caused havoc in town, can't even go for a simple bike ride. Ego got in their way and they aren't welcome here and, clearly from the other posts, they aren't welcome back in the UK. It's an utter shame to disrespect a woman who spent her entire life in service. A service she didn't ask for and just lost the love of her life. #leavemontecito #notwelcomein805
People magazine is saying that MM and Archie FaceTimed the Queen right before PPs funeral.
Can you honestly get any lower?
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@Musty
She is so gross, isn't she?
And I've lost all respect for People Magazine. They seem willing to publish anything Markle gives them.
I do NOT believe for one second that MM and Fauxchie face-timed the Queen.
Despite it being very hard to figure out what exactly happened behind the scenes while Harry was in the UK, I got the impression he never spoke to the Queen until the day of the funeral. He was in quarantine and I don't think they even spoke on the phone. Her aides were taking care of the funeral arrangements and I bet they fielded any attempts from him to get to her prior to the day of the funeral.
And yet MM wants us to believe a face-time session was set up with the 95-year-old Queen who was in deep mourning just for Markle and her plastic child? And after she lobbed huge cannonballs of monarchy-wrecking crap at the firm and the family just a little over a month ago?
Here are some more submissions from MM to People sent in both while Harry was still away and since he has returned:
Prince Harry and Prince William 'Drifted to Each Other Like the Old Days' at Prince Philip's Funeral
https://people.com/royals/prince-harry-prince-william-drifted-to-each-other-like-old-days-prince-philip-funeral/
If you scroll below this article you will find one People Mag story after another written on the funeral and the brothers' relationship which seem to push the narrative of them still having a relationship and of reconciliation. They quote their own 'royal specialist' and also mention Tom Bradby quite often.
Over and over the People articles keep stating the brothers were not separated during the procession due to anything other than for practical purposes.🤣
So I guess we can assume the Harkles wish to keep the idea of Harry and William still maintaining a good relationship despite the traitorous behavior from the Montecito Mob.🤣
Thanks so much for finding the Montecito quote in situ!!😍
I had discovered which article it was and posted the transcribed comment found on LSA in a second post above but had not yet located the original within the comments.
I got distracted by People mag's obvious bias for the Harkles' narrative. There is always so much to check with this neverending drama.
I'll go locate the comment now - thanks again...
`Meghan flew herself to New York ...'
- on her broomstick, no doubt.
Thanks so much for the Wikipedia info on the couple-who-shall-not-be-named. I have only read her entry and I laughed out loud at least once for each paragraph. Honestly, you have to read it to believe it. Every act of her life is recorded and mostly exaggerated. Totally gag-making. Do not miss it; she is more worthy than the late Mother Theresa.
There's another comment now under Lululabonte's that reads:
TroubledTribble, Ventura, United States, 1 day ago
They popped up down here at the Ventura harbor waiting to be spotted at The Greek. Our niece works part time at Brophy Bros. They looked awkward and out of place. No stroller or toddler. No one cared.
Hi -- popping in after glancing at last couple of comments. Have been buried with work and just dipping in.
I have two things, one from Monday, I keep wanting to write something about here at length, but I am not getting to it, so I will just dump my tidbits here and circle back later:
1. My client who is my connected source told me Monday there have been "No telephone calls. No zoom meetings, none with an Archie child. No meetings. Absolute Antarctica, they're not fools. Anything else is rubbish. Out goes he." My client would I think only venture this comment after conversations. He was vicious about Harry showing up for the funeral, and is a staunch monarchist.
2. Visual gold: Has anyone taken a look at this before? Look through the photos....incl color versions of the public black and white images of Megs and Archie, etc. Old images. Archie image? See what you think.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/757027018614924479/
-----okay things to finish up, will try to jump back in a few hours.
Confirms what we all felt all along, but didn't have the real-world experience.
Thanks to you for that.
Perhaps H wants a do over, will return for Diana's statue. I would tell him, don't bother, keep feeding your chickens.
Three-sy rider! Prince Louis beams on his bike as he heads for first day of nursery in adorable snapshot taken by mother Kate to mark his third birthday
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9501619/Prince-Louis-beams-bike-heads-day-nursery.html
Isn't he just adorable! 😍
All three are cute...and I so appreciate Catherine taking these photos and allowing us a glimpse of them all growing up.
Unlike she who must not be named! Grrr!
@JennS
There's another comment now under Lululabonte's that reads:
They popped up down here at the Ventura harbor waiting to be spotted at The Greek. Our niece works part time at Brophy Bros. They looked awkward and out of place. No stroller or toddler. No one cared.
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@Miggy
LOL! Yes I saw that one too! How juicy! I read all the replies and it looks like we aren't the only ones who enjoy hearing from someone in town!
The reason why I wanted the article and spot where she posted was so I could check the other comments she has left. If you click on a DM commenter's name (if you a signed-in member yourself) you will be taken to their page of comments. I did that and found the following posts which were left under various articles starting 2 weeks ago:
-It appears he (or her) arent welcome in the UK or here in Santa Barbara. That is what happens when you throw duty, reverence, and respect in the face of the family that raised you. I represent the growing majority of residents of our quiet seaside community that prefer they live elsewhere. #sussexgoaway
-No one in this town pretends to like him or her. It is evident to them they aren't welcome. It's an annoyance.
-Do not come back here. For the love of God, get your kids and flee. She only wants the money, trust me. We all see her inflated ass around town. Grow up and be the man you were raised to be.
-Do not return back here, please. We literally cant stand yours and Meghans presence here. Grow-up you whiny baby, stay put in England and do your duty. Is it really that difficult? Serve the divorce papers to your CrazyTown wife (shell have Laura Wasserman represent her), give her a hearty settlement and get your children to the UK. They are property of the Crown. #leaveourtown.
⭐I wasn't able to go further back in her comments though. For some reason, I can't get to her earlier comments from the past year or the "archive".
Can you please try to see if you can get to them? Maybe it has to do with me being in the US and I don't have as much access?
https://twitter.com/hrrysgreysuit
I've not posted to DM comments for yonks... and have no idea where I scribbled down my password.
It's getting late here, so will try and find it tomorrow. :)
I'll never forget that polo game appearance with MM and the 'baby that did not move'. Louis was so cute wearing his mom's sunglasses with his bubbly smiles as he reached out to his cousin - and MM totally ignored him.
What a difference in how the Cambridges share their children compared to the Sussexes.
Hmmm - her 'bump' looks ready to POP!
Rotten cow!
Ok thanks. I appreciate your help or any other Nutty who knows what I'm referring to.
Don't you think it's weird how there have been NO pictures surfacing from these Montecito sightings?
I get that people in that area are used to celebs but some at least must know that there is suspicion about their presence. And wouldn't even jaded people living among celebs want pics of British royalty? When they first moved there I saw articles in local Montecito newspapers sort of boasting about how their town had now been chosen by royalty.
Both of those DM commenters make it sound as if MM is now out posing and trying to get photographed. A font on LSA thought MM might be trying to prove her pregnancy by making herself visible. As usual, it's all very strange...