Let's continue the conversation about the Sussexes...
Recently there was (yet another) post somewhere out in the world about how they will soon divorce. And my first thought was: Haven't I heard this before? which moved quickly to: how many times have I heard this (through the years)? There were a number of questions raised which ... I don't know. I'm not a lawyer. One of the points which has been raised is that KC would somehow be shelling out beaucoup money to get her to go "away". That he has all this money stashed away and can pull it out at a moment's notice. But does he? He inherited a lot of "stuff" from his mother but ... isn't it a lot of tangible stuff like properties? and with that staff to maintain it and insurance. Inside said properties is art, antique furniture and other "old stuff" which may be valuable" but ... that kind of thing is subject to the whims and bank accounts of the rarified people who may be interested in it (which is not most of us in terms of bei
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I have not been a fan of Prince Charles for most of his life (and mine). But I can't believe what his own son has done to him.
I hope all your sorrows are behind You
I am sorry to hear what you've been going through. It sounds very difficult. Have you sought out counseling for yourself? Or a support group? Knowing you aren't alone might help.
We all fail often as parents, but what you are describing is just horrible.
Very sorry to read what you are coping with. I do hope you receive help for yourself too.
Look into changing her diet. Some food intolerances can make children more aggressive.
I would look into salicylate intolerance and other food intolerances. Also, have her genetically tested to see if she has issues that can be fixed with supplements or food.
https://mummyandchild.com/intolerances/salicylate/?fbclid=IwAR3KiwkZWSjh1pmc-FgIQgGu6GzrbWxpp8nVgiApGlgrvfERSuh6lLdnKE8
All I can do his hope she grows out of it. Otherwise, she will not be as lucky as H to get bailed out of her own self destructive behavior. Some people are beyond saving, its hard to give up on your own child.
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I'm so sorry. I hope your daughter outgrows this phase, I think it will be years before you might see a light at the end of the tunnel though. Please be safe and take precautions to keep yourself safe. She has threatened to kill you and in her undeveloped immaturity I'd be sure to stay as safe as possible. It's a rocky road ahead.
Harry is most likely going home with empty pockets. The Claw's not going to like that one bit.
@NotMeghanMarkle: Very astute observation that Charles no longer recognizes Harry.
I think it's an irrevocable breaking of trust.
Harry will return to the UK after he gets dumped, because the UK is what he knows, where the family resides, and where his erstwhile friends live. But no one will trust him again.
This is out of the realm of my experience, but based on your post about your daughter, I am concerned. Having a 13-year-old threaten to kill you after already having inflicted physical injury doesn't sound like a phase she's going to grow out of to me. I think if you let this lie it's only going to get worse. Your daughter is viewing you as someone to victimize and this is only going to escalate, I fear. I have always wondered what recourse parents have, legally, when their child becomes violent and a real threat to the parents'/family safety. Waiting until she does something worse, or puts actions behind her words could prove fatal to you. You love her and you feel the maternal guilt, which she is expertly manipulating. You have to find a way to put that in a box and keep it safe, while taking steps to protect yourself so that you can be around to still love her when/if she decides she wants a more productive relationship with you. Some of this is adolescence; I said some pretty hurtful things to my mother when I was that age--but I never expressed the ideation to kill her or get her in trouble with the police. And I never hit her. This is not OK; she is not a toddler any more. Please document these injuries and get in touch with someone who can advise you about what the next steps may be if your daughter repeats her threats and violent behavior--intervention? You deserve not to be afraid of your own kid. If you've got the means, it might benefit her to go to an Outward Bound style boot camp for troubled kids. That's what Charles should have sent Harry to, rather than expecting him to follow in William's Etonian footsteps. If intervention had been done 20 years ago for H, he would probably be a better, happier individual today and we wouldn't be dealing with this.
Reading about Basher's early behavior . . my god, that was shocking. 'Basher' didn't connote anything good, but I figured he just hit a few kids at nursery school in disputes over toys. Kids that young are not good at sharing, and William would have been growing uo in an environment were HRH never had to share anything that he wanted. But to hear that he threw food at people and threatened to have them locked in the Tower and beheaded . . !
Part of me wonders if that isn't some creative embroidering somewhere to make William look bad. At the age of what, 4, 5? he's fully aware of his sovereign destiny and what the Tower was for and medieval methods of execution??? There's a vast difference between the sophistication of those threat and . . flinging some mashed potatoes and hitting a classmate over a truck.
Meanwhile we've got H, who, born #3 to the throne of Great Britain has got no clue that Granny was the Queen or his eventual Commander in the Army???? What age was he when he didn't know this? SMH
Your daughter needs professional help and she needs it immediately. There are schools and hospitals to help her. You can have her admitted. She will hate you for it at first, but it sounds as if she already does. This is not just a phase, this is not normal, and she will not grow out of it. She will turn to ever more dangerous outlets. I also implore you, don’t start with once a week therapy. She needs intensive inpatient therapy. I don’t mean to scare you, but I speak from experience. My teenage son had a very difficult year when he was 17. Intensive therapy and medication saved his life. There is hope and there is help.
Hugs and best wishes.
The New York Post reported that Charles and William met with Harry, with witnesses as the family does not trust him, for a private discussion after the funeral.
Harry is most likely going home with empty pockets. The Claw's not going to like that one bit.
@NotMeghanMarkle: Very astute observation that Charles no longer recognizes Harry.
I think it's an irrevocable breaking of trust.
I'd say Charles, along with the Queen and William, prizes loyalty above all else. Loyalty to the sovereign and the institution he/she represents is the very foundation of the system. Without loyalty from its members and those who serve it, the whole thing comes tumbling down.
That's why H is very lucky to be living in the 21st century. If this were a few hundred years ago, he and his tart would have been executed for treason long before this point. The fact that H is an insider wreaking this damage makes it all the worse.
H is too dim to know his own family history but George, Duke of Clarence was very like him in a lot of ways. George did not live to grow old.
All the reconciliation talk, and suggestions of bucolic walks with 'Pa' to chat and so forth are, I think, if not emanating entirely from the Sussex camp, wishful thinking on the part of everyone concerned. H is not repentant. There can be no reconciliation without repentance. There is so much incendiary/provocative language being churned out in these media stories--which one was it that printed that Charles and William 'refused' to meet with H alone because they were 'scared'. Implying that they were guilty and cowardly, rather than prudent, to want witnesses to the conversation. One specifically chosen word can be loaded with agenda, depending on who is writing it.
The real shame here is how the week of mourning for Philip and the days immediately following have been jammed with fevered speculation about this Sussex drama, just as we feared it would be. Instead of reflecting upon Philip's long and distinguished life of service and all his wonderful attributes as father, grandfather, husband and something like Dad to the Nation . . all the media is mired in feverish speculation about the odious pair and their activities. What they are doing/what they said to whom/why other players in this saga are acting certain ways all in response to 'Them'.
Madam must be eating this up with a spoon and washing it down with a vat of Spanish plonk.
Oh, she's 'pregnant . . ' right, like that would stop her.
I'm so sorry that you're going through this with your child. I have to agree with Hikari that her behavior could escalate unless a solution is found. This isn't typical child behavior.
I would make an appointment with her doctor (without your daughter present) who will put you in touch with people who could help her. No parent should live in fear of their child.
All my best to you.
I'mso sorry to hear about your troubled daughter. I wish you strenght to go forward.
Virtual hugs to you X
I agree with Heartland, your daughter's behavior is dangerous and she may need residential treatment ASAP. i would try and contact her school or CPS to make that arraignment before she winds up in the juvenile justice system.
Agree with others who said that Harry should have left the BRF early in his marriage if that was the road he wanted to take. This way is very messy and harmed his reputation.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/prince-harry-wants-stay-britain-112233012.html
Rachael Burford and Robert Jobson
Mon, 19 April 2021, 12:38 pm
`Prince Harry has not booked his return flight to the United States but will return as soon as his pregnant wife Meghan needs him, a source close to the couple said today.
The Duke of Sussex is believed to want to remain in Britain to mark the Queen’s 95th birthday this week if possible.
He flew into Heathrow using an “open ended ticket” on April 11, and isolated at Frogmore Cottage before attending his grandfather the Duke of Edinburgh’s funeral in Windsor on Saturday.
However, he will return to the home he shares with Meghan and son Archie in California as soon as his heavily pregnant wife needs him, a source close to the couple has said.'
I take it the `source' is Scobie? Yet it reads that she's happy for him to stay for a while - or is it that he needn't go back at all if he hasn't got the dosh? Has she just noticed his Royal Credibility has disappeared and she's gearing up to dump him?
Is all the stuff about `reconciliation' just interim piffle for the US market?
Insofar as the Harkles go, this trip for the funeral was purely for optics. See! What a dutiful grandson I am. It sickens me to see his face! I hope he was given the cold shoulder by each and every family member, and booed by the public, should a sighting have occurred. They know no shame, and have absolutely no understanding of goodness. Despite their bleatings about kindness. It’s difficult to imagine a more conceited, self absorbed, despicable duo.
but you also need to get in to counselling. It will wreck your brain, and your health.
Puds said @ Raspberry Ruffle,
......that Anna Pasternak article in Vanity Fair comes from the Sussex camp I think. Seems they might be pushing the if we can't get what we want we will bring it all down line and they have started by putting that idea out there that without them the BRF will topple. They will play on the uncertainty of the handing over from the last guard. Prince Charles has surprised us by refusing all contact from his greedy son who is having a tantrum. Charles may surprise us with his resolution to continue his parents work and hand the reins over to William in say 10 years. He seems to have plans to put his own stamp on royalty and Harry is locked out banging noisily on the door screaming I want it give me my money. He cannot accept he is owed nothing.
It was so obviously from the Sussex camp. I couldn’t stomach the whole article after I saw Diane Abbott’s name mentioned and a few other names and unmentionable organisations, I started skimming past! I guessed you ploughed on through it!
The bit where the Duo believe they are indispensable is so laughable. I recently saw a documentary about Prince Philip....he was asked by Robert Hardman (British journalist) whether he saw himself as a rebel Philip gave a wry smile and said no, more of an innovator. Philip not only modernised the Royal family but was way ahead of his time with so many ideas and innovations.
I’d prefer William to be our next Monarch, we know it doesn’t work like that. I find it hard to believe Harry and his family will ever have the same relationship they had.... he’s an outcast and William will never forgive him, this I’m certain of. Harry has dug his own grave...time for him to face his own music.
Lady C’s latest video touches on what the Duo might do next...she calls their antics high theatre and low drama and we should take it all with a pinch of salt. I’m pretty much fatigued out by the Duo, time for a break, I’ll still be listening to Lady C, but will give the rest a pass.
Today's Lady C video.
Lady C DISHES on Harry/William/Kate actions/Meghan's ploy/Doria's millions/Queen's approval
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsWb_GwSQNs
the duo's feud with the BRF.
A couple of paragraphs quote Diane Abbott: 'Former shadow home secretary Diane Abbott - the first Black female member of Parliament - told the publication she believes the monarchy as we know it will last as long as the Queen is alive, but when she dies there will be a 'big public debate'.
'I think what the Royal Family and their advisers did with Meghan will be part of the argument for change,' she argued.'
Diane Abbott is never taken seriously so I think we can safely ignore her, particularly her second statement.
Personally, I just ignore the other two women mentioned because I think they may have an axe to grind (I don't know so could be wrong). Michelle Ruiz says 'To hear Meghan and Harry tell it, the Windsors are just another dysfunctional family; the Firm, one more toxic workplace where H.R. is not your friend and there's a lack of diversity in upper management,'. I think the disfunctional ones are H and his harpy. As for the 'lack of diversity in upper management', here we go again. What does she know about it? Does she know the ethnic composition of BP'HR department? They only defend the witch because to them, she is a sister of colour. That's the only reason.
Anyway, we know Anna Pasternak is on the viper's side and So is Vanity Fair. Hardly an unbiased article.
I don't want to send her to jail. I accepted a long time ago, you cannot help someone who does not want it. She refuses doctors advice, anger management,
therapy, medication etc.In a few years she will grow out of it or move out of my home.
I will pray for you and all of our great countrymen in Minnesota. Stand strong.
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Please, you don't need to apologise for venting. I don't even know how you can stay sane and function. This behaviour goes way beyond normal teenage rebellion. Can you consult your GP (physician) who should be able to advise, or some other health professionals? Wishing you strength. Take care x
I know you've had enough but I need to underline that salicylate intolerance (and other food intolerances) can lead to (amongst others):
behaviour problems such as irritability, restlessness, inattention, OPPOSITIONAL DEFIANCE, symptoms of ADHD
Many people have reported amazing behaviour changes in their children when their diet was changed.
But it could also be a physical problem. Don't just assume that it's just psychological.
The Duke of Sussex is believed to want to remain in Britain to mark the Queen’s 95th birthday this week if possible.
He flew into Heathrow using an “open ended ticket” on April 11, and isolated at Frogmore Cottage before attending his grandfather the Duke of Edinburgh’s funeral in Windsor on Saturday.
However, he will return to the home he shares with Meghan and son Archie in California as soon as his heavily pregnant wife needs him, a source close to the couple has said.'
'As soon as she needs him' is very vague. That could mean 'within the next 12 hours' or 'Sometime in June when "she goes into labor"'. Open-ended ticket is very interesting. I believe those are good for a year, and that window has probably been extended due to Covid.
1. H is dragging his heels about going back to jail.
2. H was told to dig his heels in and stay in England until he gets at least some of what he came for. ($$$$)
3. The family requested he get an open ticket--H thinks, great, more photo ops for me. When the plan is to bundle him off to a MI6 safe house for deprogramming. Maybe that's why Charles is working in Wales . .plausible deniability. William's the one that interned at Six . . maybe he's running point on this?
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The language in these press reports basically admits 'we don't know anything and are just guessing'.
"It is thought that . . ."
"It is understood that . . "
"X Royal is believed to have said/done________"
"Sources say . . "
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So, if we've got Hazardous & his security entourage camped out at Frogmore Cottage for an indefinite period, then Eugenie, Jack & the baby aren't there. Maybe nobody is there.
Upshot: We don't know nuthin'.
A pain in the anatomy, a broken record with her opinion, opinion, opinion.
I frequently utter heartfelt thanks to Heaven that, being somewhat older than her, I didn't have to endure her pontificating at mealtimes when I was at university, in the days when we all dined together. Now, I just change channels when she appears on TV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt3g75JbTpc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt3g75JbTpc
Wow, that sounds incredibly insurmountably difficult. This is the crapshoot of parenting. Some people get angels who click and are easy, others get challenging cases of defiance or medical and genetic hardships. I am so sorry you’ve been going through this, alone, for years. It saddens me that there seems to be a complete breakdown and disconnect of the relationship. Make no mistake: you are her rock. You will always be her rock. Whether near or far. You are her support. She notices.
I have no idea what’s led to her issues. There are so many things that can contribute or trigger her circumstances and behavior that it would be out of my remit to speculate. That said, I am a parent of three boys, and none of them have a phone. We are old school. I’ve seen too many issues arise with kids between them and their parents. My 13 year old son uses mine or his fathers phone after the school day. I call these phones ‘little adult computers’. I read that most tech parents don’t give their under 12s access to phones and went with that data to inform my decision. I have no idea if you’re able to walk back that decision with her, I know it’s not the social norm nowadays. Granted the brief breakdowns I’ve dealt with in regards to taking the addictive devices away from my own children at times, I try to think I’m doing the right thing. I just personally think the responsibility level required for a smartphone is higher than people give it credit for. This is *strictly* my opinion and parenting. It is NOT the norm nowadays. I’m ok with that.
That said, I would not tolerate physical abuse. If there is any way to get her into a paid rehab program, I’d focus on that. I had a brother with severe issues and have seen the wringer of stress and helplessness these things can be. I am sorry the happiness is limited right now, but I’m hopeful your future relationship with her (and the one she has with herself) improves. She sure is testing every ounce of your ability with her, and for that I hope you continue to have strength and resolve.
Best wishes to your family and thank you for sharing.
many doctors and psychiatrists don't know about nutrition, even less about genetic problems that can make people more susceptible to environmental and nutritional issues.
Sometimes, something as simple as taking a digestive enzyme before eating can change a person's entire personality.
the VF article - is poor timing.
I hope H has flown back to Lsla Land.
Not caught up yet but from what I've glimpsed of headlines today we seem to be approaching the stage with Prince Charles and H when parents have to change the locks to keep a drug addict offspring from getting in the house, emotionally blackmailing and threatening them and stealing from their wallets. Tough love is definitely what's called for with H, only without the 'love' bit.
I said it in the last thread . . H exhibits all the signs of addict behavior to me. He's naturally hyper anyway and the occasion was stressful but even so, his fidgeting/eye darting/tapping/lack of focus was very noticeable. I suspect that all the year in Cali has done for him is get him further addicted to whatever he's using. Not heroin, because he'd be way more chill. Pot and cocaine are my guesses.
Most of the time when the Hateful Two were in the family, they turned up at official engagements looking unkempt and high. Now they've got nothing but free time to get high and no reason to leave the house. I really do think that H is going to go the Lizard King route, albeit it's too late for the 27 Club. He'll be 40 in 31/2 years. Think he'll make it?
I think the BRF is all about trust as they are about loyalty.
Can they trust you? Are you who you say you are?
I hope they had more than wittnessess. Video would be my first choice.
They've changed the locks at Kensington Palace,
Bump, bump, bump, bump,
Little Prince Harry daren't fly to Malice.
Bump, bump, bump, bump,
Malice has said he's failed in his duty, unless he comes back - loaded with Booty,
Bump, bump, bump, bump,
Says Malice.
Could be adding to dysfunction. Even I at my age can get loony. Diet as mentioned is important as well. There are resources. I mean no disrespect continuing conversation against your wishes but wanted to show support. We all do and we all care. Make the call , with intervention she can grow into healthy young adult. All my best.
Do you think a change of diet could transform the viper's personality? Might be worth a try.
@hikari - not sure how H can mark HM's birthday...
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But the witch will send a bouquet of the Queen's favourite flowers, with carefully chosen other symbolic ones, together with a loving note specially handwritten in her best 'calligraphy'. Just in case anyone had forgotten about her existence.
Can they trust you? Are you who you say you are?
I hope they had more than witnessess. Video would be my first choice.
Absolutely . . loyalty and trust go hand in hand.
H was not just a courtier/staffer, or a potential love interest--he is a son of the family. That betrayal is huge.
I often wonder how things would be now if H had been the daughter Charles had wanted instead. Would 'she' have grown up as wayward and wild as Princess Margaret, with all the same bad choices in love, because of being #2? Or would more care and attention been lavished on her in the wake of her mother's death and her activities/romantic partners more closely supervised? Could a male 'M' have ingratiated themselves into the family via a princess? M got as far as she did because nobody was prepared to say 'no' to H, ever. I think maybe the competition element with Will and the caustic jealousy ensuing from that would have been lessened if H had been a girl. Possibly.
I suspect some of the articles discussing the funeral and any discussions/meetings afterwards came from Sussex camp. Since Charles is in Wales, its pretty obvious there will be no opportunity to stroll in the garden with the beggars pan out for H. Those stories probably originated from Sussex camp too. They are desperate for $$$$ and the RF connection. I agree with otbers, this was just a ploy to improve the Sussex brand, gets some photos, and perhaps a handout or two.
M will have her pound of flesh come what may. It's either biggest tiara on her head or it's the monarchy head. So she thinks. But ever since the funeral, my disgust with H has grown manifold and possibly eclipsed that which I felt for the wife.
I hope the best advisors to the royals see what we see and take the right steps. This is not an easy world anymore to decide by classic ideals of loyalty and justice.
They did good to have witnesses to the talk if it has indeed taken place.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/lip-reader-reveals-harry-william-134000444.html
Charles might have thought twice about building the pub/drug den/whatever in the basement, too.
And then there probably wouldn't have been that following-the-coffin nonsense.
I know you probably don't want to hear anymore and you don't have to respond, but I just wanted to let you know a friend of mine had similar problems with her daughter and the majority of the issues stopped once she went through puberty. The girl does have a diagnosis of Bipolar but has been doing well on medication. I hope you are able to get help through your doctors.💓
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Question: Any bets on how long it will take for Meghan to attempt insert herself into today’s developments? This fuel is too good for her to pass up.
@Girl with a Hat
Do you think a change of diet could transform the viper's personality? Might be worth a try.
Not unless it's sprinkled with cyanide...
To be blunt - Is daughter getting larger than you?
When one sister got larger than mom she started getting in her face standing three inches way. Physically intimidating my mother at age 15 and saying her nutty stuff. Making nutty demands. My mother knew she could not fight her back. Mother was not hit. Perhaps sister grabbed her by the shoulders once or twice. She is married these days and grew out of that rough teen period.
If you are smaller than daughter look up Krav Maga self defense.......... Best o luck!!!!
Prince Charles really stands out as someone in a tremendous amount of grief and I had tears in my eyes when I saw his stricken face watching the men prepare to lift and carry up the casket. There is also one full-view picture in particular as they are entering the chapel where he just looks so completely devastated that it appears to go well beyond the death of a father who was 99 years old.
His broken-hearted appearance is so profound that I know that photo will be permanently burned into my memory. I agree with others here who have said he is not just grieving Philip but is also grieving the loss of his son - the old Harry who has been lost to the machinations of a very clever psychopathic narcissist who managed to push all the buttons to bring out the worst in him.
In addition, I think this apparent colossal amount of grief is because PC is feeling an intolerable amount of guilt and is destroyed over considering himself responsible for the behavior of his son.
Not only does Charles suffer grief over the loss of a father he loved who has been with him for over 70 years, but he may be carrying this whole other emotional burden knowing that his own son has betrayed the family, the family business and brought grief to HIS elderly parents while quite possibly contributing to Prince Philip's death. What a horror it must be to realize it is YOUR son and his poorly-chosen wife who has brought such carnage down on the family.
It can't be said enough how disastrous the Harkles' interview claims were and the idea that they allowed Gayle and Oprah to push this false narrative through the media with a clear ulterior motive must be absolutely terrifying for Prince Charles. There are some people who want to see the monarchy brought down due to their ancestors' role in history's slave trade. Could that be what is behind this attack on the world stage and O and G's interest? If so, I wonder if Harry even realizes their motives?
Perhaps Charles finally understands that something major must now be done with his son and his wife. This could be part of the reason he has sought solitude. He needs to think about how to redefine the firm and permanently handle his traitorous offspring.
Re a change of diet, that wasn't a genuine question. I should have added I was being sarcastic but it's never obvious in print.
Your description of your daughter’s behavior is deeply disturbing. My best friend and her husband have a daughter (now 22) who acted out the same way as yours. They finally had some success with her when they sent her to a residential treatment center in Connecticut called
Wellspring: wellspring.org. There have been many ups and downs since she graduated from the program at the age of 18, but she has a much better relationship with her parents and brother now, is living independently and has a job as a dog groomer that she enjoys, She smokes a lot of pot, but at least is not into hard drugs.
I imagine there must be residential treatment centers similar to Wellspring in the UK (I’m assuming that’s where you live). It is imperative that you get her out of the house and into a residential facility—your daughter would appear to pose a danger to you. My friend and her husband’s insurance covered most of the cost—with socialized medecine in the UK, would such treatment be free or at least very low cost?
Please don’t wait until your daughter sends you to the hospital to act. Sorry if I am butting in, but I’ve seen this kind of thing before and it can get out of hand.
about Meghan and a change of diet for her personality.
I don't know. I have known some narcs, and they had horrible eating habits. So who knows?
I think that Meghan has tried some illegal drugs. Maybe that doesn't help either.
I do know that prisoners changed their behaviour when they were given a diet of better food. But it's not just better food that can change behaviour - it's food tailored to your genetics. Read "Dirty Genes" by Dr Ben Lynch for more info. Over methylators, under methylators, etc all kinds of issues with our genes can affect digestion and behaviour.
My sympathies to all who have lost loved ones to terrible diseases like cancer.
I really feel for PC but hope that he will recognize the need to force H and M into permanent exile from the family.
@JerseyGirl
Re a change of diet, that wasn't a genuine question. I should have added I was being sarcastic but it's never obvious in print.
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touche' I too was being sarcastic, least I find out she had cyanide in her soup and suddenly died.... it wouldn't be by my hand. lol
I don’t remember seeing this previously posted. The Duke of Edinburgh left his beloved carriage ponies and all his racing gear and carriage to Lady Louise, Who is 17 years old and carrying on his legacy of carriage driving.
OK, shall we lay bets that we will be hearing that Philip left his favorite granddaughter in law a pony, too? Because she’s so great with animals, and really loves English sporting traditions.
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You have given me the laugh of the week! And needed it! Don't we all :)
LOL! I really don't think we've ever seen the press so contradictory like this before. They are off-the-wall with changing reports sometimes offering multiple accounts in one day.
I think they are getting NO info from either camp and are trying to wing it.
I'm really disappointed in Valentine Low and Camilla Tominey for participating in this nonsence.
Check out these 3 articles from Valentine from 3 different days this week...
Article #1
Prince Harry talks with father and brother
Monday, April 19 2021
Prince Harry held talks with Prince William after the Duke of Edinburgh’s funeral, it emerged last night.
The brothers met with their father, Prince Charles, at Windsor Castle for two hours, the first time they had got together since the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s televised interview with Oprah Winfrey last month, according to sources.
One told The Sun: “It’s early days but you’d hope this is exactly the first step Philip would have wished for.”
Another told the newspaper: “Harry and William appeared cordial as the cameras rolled and that seemed to pave the way for Charles to join them when everyone had left.”
The damage caused by the interview that Harry and Meghan gave to Winfrey is so deep, however, that many believe that a serious conversation is needed to discuss their allegations.
Harry may be keen to return to California, where his wife is expecting their second baby, but there have been reports that he might stay until the Queen’s 95th birthday on Wednesday.
Ingrid Seward, author of Prince Philip Revealed, said that any family summit was unlikely this week. “She hates confrontation,” she said. “The royal children have so much difficulty in getting the Queen to discuss anything other than dogs or horses. I remember Fergie telling me it took three weeks for them to try and get her to discuss their divorce. She kept saying ‘Oh, I’ve got to take the dogs for a walk.’ ”
Harry had described his father and brother as being trapped in their roles.
Article #2
William and Harry take ‘baby steps’ towards reconciliation after Oprah Winfrey interview
Tuesday April 20 2021
The Prince of Wales has had a meeting with his two sons at Frogmore cottage, it was reported last night. The get-together follows family discussions after the Duke of Edinburgh’s funeral on Saturday.
The Duchess of Cambridge was also said to have been present. An insider told The Sun that Princess Eugenie and her husband, Jack Brooksbank, who now live at the cottage, “made themselves scarce as Harry, William, Kate and Charles hammered things out”.
A spokesman for Kensington Palace, home of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, was unable to comment on the meeting, nor even say whether the duchess was present with her husband and father-in-law.🤣 A spokesman for Clarence House, the official residence of Prince Charles, was unavailable to comment.
Prince Charles talked with the Duke of Cambridge and the Duke of Sussex in the grounds of Windsor Castle after the funeral, where it is understood they started the “baby steps” towards a reconciliation after Harry and Meghan’s television interview with Oprah Winfrey, which was broadcast last month.
A senior royal insider was reported to have told MailOnline: “Obviously after the worldwide fallout of the Oprah interview, trust has to be rebuilt. There was no official wake after the funeral, but Charles, William and Harry took the opportunity to speak and catch up face to face after many months apart.
“They were only able to spend a short time together outdoors given Covid restrictions, and also without staff, including senior courtiers, overhearing what was being said. It was important to Charles and William that they were both there together. It means nothing spoken about can be misconstrued in the future.”
It remains unclear whether Harry will still be in the country by the time of his grandmother’s birthday.
"Prince Charles really stands out as someone in a tremendous amount of grief and I had tears in my eyes when I saw his stricken face watching the men prepare to lift and carry up the casket. There is also one full-view picture in particular as they are entering the chapel where he just looks so completely devastated that it appears to go well beyond the death of a father who was 99 years old. His broken-hearted appearance is so profound that I know that photo will be permanently burned into my memory."
Yes. I felt the same way too. Princess Anne looked devastated as well. The whole family showed some visible signs of grief except for Heartless Harry, who merely looked like a deer caught in headlights, like he couldn't believe he returned home the 'black sheep.' The more I think about how Harry behaved at the funeral...no visible signs of grief...tapping the funeral program like he's bored to still be there...how he rushed and inserted himself between Kate and William for the sole purpose of getting the "money shot" ... that his wife just had to leak the wreath and "handwritten" note...betrays the true intention here: public manipulation, not private grief. He wasn't there to mourn his grandfather's passing. He was there to be seen publicly. Skipping his grandfather's funeral wouldn't be a good look, so he there, for appearance sake, and because, no doubt he's hoping to wrangle more dough from dad. It was unforgivable that he intruded upon his father's grief to take up even one moment, never mind 2 hours to rehash the cr*p fest him and his wife unleashed on his family, knowing grandpa was dying. His team, no doubt, leaked the fact he wrote daddy a heartfelt letter which just underscores why he couldn't talk with him alone. God only knows what he would accuse him of saying. I also hope the room was wired too.
I watched Lady Colin's latest video & it was good. What I felt she got "spot on" is that Meghan thought that that interview would crush the Royal Family and make her a hero in the world's eyes, when it burned the most powerful bridge she ever crossed and just made her another woke joke. She didn't anticipate on the backlash or that she'd make her nemesis Piers Morgan the symbol of resistance and catapult his book "Wake Up" to number one. This betrayal massively backfired. It was Philip's funeral that captured world wide attention and world wide sympathy. That's why she had to send Harry along to deal with the fall out alone. She was too much of a coward to face the music with him. Per usual, Dimwitted Harry couldn't see how he'd be played and then hung out to dry by his wife. One day Harry's gonna be the one to "wake up" and there's not enough advil in the world to cure that hangover.
As I indicated on thread some time ago, I think it is beyond bizarre that ANYONE would take suicidal impulses to HR! If a superior tried to strangle me in the ladies' room, or made an improper suggestion, yes, that's something I would want a very confidential conversation with an HR functionary, probably, (or the police, LOL), but surely suicidal thoughts is a problem best dealt with privately, with a therapist, & one's trusted loved ones, (ie Princess Hairy & maybe Doria, or Marcus, or Scabies, or whoever her friends are.) Has the world gone mad? I'm not sure who Ruiz is, but does she run to HR with her most personal problems? Suicidal thoughts are likely to have much deeper roots than work place issues. Megs' exposure to Princess Hairy's family was much too limited to have created such trauma. Come on, the woman is a Hollywood veteran, the capital of backstabbing & disfunction. Pull the other one, Megs.
All the stories about what is happening between Princess Hairy & his family are all pure speculation. Surely even the royals, surrounded as they are by aides & servants, can get a little private time without eavesdroppers. Although, in Princess Hairy's case, if I were William or Charles, I'd want a tape recorder for myself, & a complete pat down for listening devices of the Princess. If anything financial were
being discussed, I'd want my most ruthless lawyer, solicitor or whatever the equivalent is in the UK.
Megs has been unusually quiet recently. She may have something really horrible planned, or it may have penetrated her self-absorbed & dim cognition that the Oprah interview didn't help her, she's on thin ice, & if she's not careful, things could come tumbling down fairly quickly. We shall see.
Urhura--you're back!
April 21, 2021 at 3:22 AM
ConstantGardener33 said...
Lt. Uhura! So glad to see you!! I hope you have been well!
April 21, 2021 at 3:23 AM
Teasmade said...
@Lt! Welcome back!
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Thanks ladies! :) Been a while, but back :)
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Article #3
Prince Harry set to leave UK ‘without seeing Prince Charles again’ in fallout over Oprah Winfrey interview
Wednesday April 21 2021
The Duke of Sussex is unlikely to see his father again before he returns to the US even though family relations remain strained, The Times understands.
Prince Harry, who has been staying at Frogmore Cottage since the funeral of the Duke of Edinburgh, is thought to have remained in the country so he can be here to visit his grandmother the Queen as she celebrates her 95th birthday today.
However, it is not known whether he will see his brother the Duke of Cambridge again before returning to California, where his wife Meghan is expecting their second child, a daughter.
There have been conflicting reports about the extent of meetings between Harry and the rest of his family since he and William were seen talking to each other after their grandfather’s funeral at St George’s Chapel in Windsor on Saturday.
The brothers had not seen each other in person since their frosty encounter at the Commonwealth Day service at Westminster Abbey last year.
William is known to have been deeply hurt by what Harry said in the interview he and Meghan gave to Oprah Winfrey, including the charge that William and Charles were “trapped” in their roles.
However, the rift between Harry and Charles is known to be equally damaging. Charles is thought to have been hurt by Harry saying he felt let down by his father, and the couple’s insinuation that the royal family were racist.
Harry also accused his father of cutting him off financially and refusing to take his calls. Their relationship is said to be “strained” at the moment, and it is not thought that any exchanges between them at the funeral will have done much to improve matters.
Sources have dismissed suggestions that there was any kind of “summit” between the men at Windsor Castle, and described it as “unthinkable” that they would have discussed anything of significance so soon after Philip’s funeral.
However, since then The Sun has claimed that after the funeral Harry had a meeting with Charles, William and Kate at Frogmore Cottage.❓❓❓
A source told the newspaper: “Harry obviously felt outnumbered as there are three of them and only one of him so wanted it to be on his home turf.❓❓❓
“There is no way this is the end of the crisis in their relationships but it’s a good gesture and a nice way to take the first step towards healing.
“William, Kate and Charles all left after about two hours, which was long enough for the process of getting father and brothers talking again to start.”
Sources at Clarence House and Kensington Palace, anxious not to inflame the situation or to divulge details of private meetings, have refused to confirm or deny that such a meeting took place.
However, one well-informed source, while not claiming to know what happened, said that it sounded unlikely.
It has also been claimed that Harry wrote to his father ahead of his return to the UK, outlining his reasons for leaving and promising to “respect the institution”.
Meanwhile Charles is at his Welsh bolthole, which means that any further meeting between him and Harry is extremely unlikely. Charles normally spends a few days at this time of year at Llwynywermod in Llandovery. Normally he would have carried out a number of engagements, but they were canceled because the royal family is officially still in mourning.
3 Valentine Low London Times articles for comparison
Article #3
Prince Harry set to leave UK ‘without seeing Prince Charles again’ in fallout over Oprah Winfrey interview
Wednesday April 21 2021
The Duke of Sussex is unlikely to see his father again before he returns to the US even though family relations remain strained, The Times understands.
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Tells me that things are pretty bad with Dad.
(As well they should be.)
(If I were a man, I would absolutely punch Harry right in his ginger face.)
I too feel so bad for him after seeing his grief stricken face. We know the incendiary piece was released by the Sussex brigade conveniently after the funeral. Maybe H threatens to release this type of pr every time things don't go his way. It does seem that the RF is being blackmailed in some way. We also know that a good portion of the media on both sides of the pond are pro H n M. Yahoo had an article stating how sad it was that the Royal family was frosty toward the pair. Not one mention of how horrible it was to do the interview while PP was dying.
I'm just not sure the Royal Family can beat big media. They shut Trump down for good. Who is to say they won't do that to the Royal family? The are loved the world over, but the media are paid the big bucks to push the anti Monarchy agenda. Unfortunately, when HM passes I believe the gloves will come off. The drums are beating louder and louder. Its almost as if h is trying to hasten HM's death.
Glad to have you back!
If I remember correctly you are a journalist?😁
Can you tell us if this weird reporting is any type of normal behavior? LOL!
It's bothering me that they are putting clicks ahead of the truth - even the Times and Telegraph.
@Jocelyn'sBellinis
What do you make of this messy reporting?😁
I'm just not sure the Royal Family can beat big media.
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All they need to do is just shut the H up, as they've always done.
@Lt Uhura
Glad to have you back!
If I remember correctly you are a journalist?😁
Can you tell us if this weird reporting is any type of normal behavior? LOL!
It's bothering me that they are putting clicks ahead of the truth - even the Times and Telegraph.
@Jocelyn'sBellinis
What do you make of this messy reporting?😁
April 21, 2021 at 3:51 AM
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Yep, it's pretty weird, all right. The reason is .... they don't have the LEAST IDEA of what they're talking about.
Not the LEAST idea.
They are absolutely making it ALL up.
Which, of course, forces all of us readers to bash our heads in.
Maybe you could share with the Royals as to how to go about this.😆
Good to see you, Lt.
(And you :)
Maybe you could share with the Royals as to how to go about this.😆
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Well, if I were a Royal, I would shut the H up. Always the best way.
I agree that doing the interview, especially while PP was in the hospital, and then add in the fact that he died has really hurt the Harkles.
I just worry about what damage they have done and how she will continue to sidle into our politics. In reading articles and comments all around I see there is quite a bit of interest in getting rid of the monarchy after Her Maj passes away...and it has been growing since that interview. I really hope that the RF works with the government in the next phase of this battle!
You are not alone in this and she can and will eventually make it out of this.
“Colonialism never really ended,” Harrison wrote in an essay for Medium after the Oprah interview. “It changed clothes and lowered its voice a bit.” Harrison didn’t watch the royal wedding or celebrate the representation of a biracial woman in the monarchy, calling it an “assimilationist fantasy.... Why do so many people seem to covet a seat at a table they should want to flip and set ablaze?” .
So many people wanting to set things ablaze, no one wants to build anything. I kind of like assimilation, it draws people together, rather than driving them apart. We Americans have assimilated all kinds of stuff, pizza, chop suey, jazz, pastrami, sushi, pierogis, polkas, the list goes on & on, from all kinds of cultures.
Hilariously, in recounting all of Megs' travails & tragedies, Ruiz mentions nothing about her alleged miscarriage. Surely, if it really occurred, it was an added stressor. Also hilarious, the final 'expert' quoted is someone named Myka Meier, who is apparently a person who teaches courses on what fork to use, & how to handle dinner napkins, to those who don't know such things. She's cosy with either Princess Beatrice's husband or the mother of his little son, so that's her royal connection.
The whole article is an anti-royal hit piece. I guess Conde-Nast thinks it's readership is in Asia, South America, the MidEast & Africa now. Is this stuff a big sell in places like Canada, Australia, & the USA? I don't know.
And he knows it.
Re the Duo: Every time I've thought the bar couldn't go lower, I've been proven wrong. I feel so bad for the RF having to have him around in this darkest of weeks. His gran probably had a soft spot, which has been a weakness during this whole saga IMO. He is probably persona non grata now and may never see them again, except if he divorces and a lot of water is over the dam.
1. So sorry to hear this first piece of news, because I'd heard they had such a bond over horses, and she could unbend a bit with him. This is another important set of pins knocked out from under our poor queen:
A trusted advisor to the Queen, Sir Michael Oswald, died the same day as Prince Philip's funeral.
Sir Michael advised the Queen and Queen Mother, playing a key role in their horse racing interests for nearly 30 years. According to reports from the Times, Sir Michael died after suffering a long illness. Sir Michael's death is the second tragedy to hit the Queen after her beloved husband of 73 years passed away on April 9. He was laid to rest on Saturday in a stripped-back funeral in Windsor with just 30 mourners in attendance. HERE IS A PHOTO THE QUEEN LAUGHING HAPPILY WITH HIM AT A RACE:
https://www.etonline.com/sir-michael-oswald-queen-elizabeths-former-racing-advisor-dead-at-86-164285
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2. A very sweet piece of news that makes me happy, in the aftermath of Philip's loss:
PRINCE PHILIP HAS LEFT PONIES AND CARRIAGE TO GRANDDAUGHTER LOUISE
Prince Philip has left his beloved ponies and carriage to granddaughter Lady Louise, 17.
The Duke of Edinburgh had taught the young royal, who is the daughter of Prince Edward and Sophie, Countess of Wessex, how to do carriage driving before his recent death.
Prince Philip took up carriage driving in the 1970s after switching from polo. A royal source told the MailOnline that Lady Louise will regularly exercise Philip’s black ponies - Balmoral Nevis and Notlaw Storm – at Windsor. Lady Louise is said to have emerged as the Queen’s favourite grandchild following a lengthy stay at the monarch’s Scottish retreat, Balmoral, over the summer of 2019.
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2, So, is this Andrew security breach news a way to eclipse H, and his complaints and drama?
SECURITY FARCE Prince Andrew security scare as woman arrested wandering around grounds days after Philip funeral
A WOMAN sparked a major security scare after being found wandering around Prince Andrew’s official residence after being mistakenly let in by guards.
Bungling security officers even paid for the intruder’s cab fare after she turned up at Royal Lodge, in Windsor Great Park, claiming to have a lunch appointment with the Duke of York.
The intruder spent around 20 minutes walking around the gardens before going into the Grade II listed building, where Andrew was at home at the time.
She was eventually held in the lobby of Royal Lodge after asking a member of staff where Andrew was.
Police were called and the woman told them she was engaged to Prince Andrew and lived there with him, giving officers her name as Irene Windsor.
Maps of the Royal Lodge and other Royal Family residences were found in the woman’s handbag, along with a self-defence key ring in the shape of a cat with two sharp prongs. She was arrested on suspicion of burglary and later sectioned under the Mental Health Act. A security review is being carried out following the extraordinary ‘break-in.’
(Hm, was she wearing a giant wig and a wrinkled maternity dress?)
I imagine Charles was angry last year, and as Harry points out Charles would not speak to him. This is only half true. Charles required written communication probably due to Harry’s unclear demands and requests and manipulations. Imagine how angry Charles was when M&H retaliated with the Diana ‘I am my mother’s son.’ Cover page for Archewell. Such an immature pair, now we’ve seen the reasons behind their passive aggressive disownment of Charles. Katherine McPhee stating her husband David was the father Harry never had. What the hell delusional world were Meghan and Harry living in? Lying to close friends? Persuading and manipulating.... just pathetic. (Still want to know what when down with the Fosters).
All this to say Phillips death, without as much as a visit from Harry, was probably the straw that broke the camels back with Charles. Charles knows he himself wasn’t as popular and he knows his reputation has been a struggle. His own son publicly mocking and betraying him as close as he is to the throne must have shook Charles to his core. It will be recorded in the history books! I never thought I’d feel so bad for Charles, but I find myself completely empathetic towards his plight.
He hasn’t ran back now, has he?
Welcome back, friend! So good to see you!
“As I indicated on thread some time ago, I think it is beyond bizarre that ANYONE would take suicidal impulses to HR! If a superior tried to strangle me in the ladies' room, or made an improper suggestion, yes, that's something I would want a very confidential conversation with an HR functionary, probably, (or the police, LOL), but surely suicidal thoughts is a problem best dealt with privately, with a therapist, & one's trusted loved ones, (ie Princess Hairy & maybe Doria, or Marcus, or Scabies, or whoever her friends are.).”
Lady C pointed out something very important in her video today. She asked why M and H would have pushed for half in/half out if the above (and the racist comments) had really happened.
Why indeed. Are you hoping that they’ll only make racist comments 50% of the time? Ignore your suicidal ideation half the time. No. It’s because it didn’t happen and you made it up when HM said 100% out.
PART ONE
The quiet making of a future queen
By Camilla Tominey
April 20, 2021 — 6.00pm (in the Sydney Morning Herald)
It is arguably one of the best photographs ever to have been taken of the Duchess of Cambridge.
Capturing not only the sombre mood of the occasion but also the steely determination of a family in mourning, Kate’s sorrowful green eyes stared straight down the lens as she was pictured arriving at Windsor Castle for the Duke of Edinburgh’s funeral on Saturday.
Despite having effectively been thrown under a bus by the Duchess of Sussex’s suggestion that she had made her cry during a bridesmaid’s dress fitting – and not the other way round – it was Kate who was the first in the 30-strong congregation to engage Prince Harry in polite conversation following the 3pm ceremony at St George’s Chapel.
Having repeatedly looked over at her brother-in-law, seated opposite, during the 50-minute service while both William, 38, and Harry, 36, buried their heads in their orders of service, the woman once cruelly dubbed “Waity Katie” showed just how much she shares what Prince Philip once described as the Queen’s “abundance of tolerance”.
Willingly playing the role of peacemaker, she tried to carve a path to reconciliation between the royal brothers.
It is no secret that William is still seething over Harry’s suggestion that both he and their father, the Prince of Wales are “trapped” in a “racist” and “bullying” royal family.
Yet having gained a formidable reputation for keeping calm and carrying on in the face of a royal crisis, Kate did what she has always done as she has failed to put a foot wrong since she first arrived in the House of Windsor almost 10 years ago to the day: she rose above.
(CONTD)
Subtly moving aside after she had broken the ice to allow her husband and brother-in-law to finally walk in a pair, Kate gracefully helped to engineer the rapprochement the world had been waiting for.
And while it may all have been choreographed knowing the cameras would be trained on the trio who once carried out so many public duties together, it helped to soften the negative narrative around the brothers’ feud – turning what could have been a strained scene into something much lighter.
It came after she had put a loving arm around her emotional father-in-law, Prince Charles, 72, who was spotted wiping away tears with a white handkerchief as he emerged from the chapel’s Galilee Porch, to give him a reassuring peck on the cheek.
It was the heir to the throne who insisted the royals abandon their assembled chauffeur-driven limousines in favour of taking a stroll back to Windsor Castle, with the sun still beating down on his father’s final resting place. This spur of the moment decision on a day of such meticulous planning allowed the royals to take off their face masks for the first time in more than an hour – and talk freely – and provided a touching moment of humanity to the weighty proceedings.
(CONTD)
While it would be a mistake to read too much into the brief encounter between William and Harry – with one royal source warning: “one swallow does not a summer make” – it was certainly a start. Courtiers had already commented on it being a relief that the brothers were now able to talk on the phone – in the same time zone for once – after Harry spent the week leading up to the funeral quarantining at Frogmore Cottage, his former Windsor home.
It helped to soften the negative narrative around the brothers’ feud – turning what could have been a strained scene into something much lighter.
But were it not for that galvanising moment, the Cambridges, Harry, Charles and Camilla, the Duchess of Cornwall, might not have stayed on at the 94-year-old monarch’s private apartments for a further two hours.
Talk of a “Windsor summit” may well be overblown, but it is unthinkable that they did not discuss the fallout from the Sussexes’ outpouring to the US chat show host, having not seen each other face to face in more than a year. It is not just the suggestion that an unnamed royal had questioned Archie’s skin tone that continues to bristle, but the Sussexes’ insistence that they were not being supported – contrary to the royals’ belief that they “bent over backwards” to accommodate the needs and desires of the independently-minded and sometimes demanding couple.
Contrary to suggestions she was unfriendly and unwelcoming towards Meghan when she first arrived on the Royal scene in 2016, Kate was among the first to “reach out” to the American former actress, sensing that while they may have very different personalities, they shared a common bond as royal WAGS under the spotlight.
However, the chasm between the introverted Home Counties girl and the extroverted star of US legal drama Suits appears to have widened when a distinction was made between Kate marrying into the Firm as an “unknown” and Meghan already having a profile. According to one Palace insider: “They were not only very different women with very different personalities but very different women who came from very different places. Kate spent 10 years as a girlfriend learning the ropes. Everything happened much more quickly with Harry and Meghan, who entered the royal scene with her own, fully-formed ideas. I think Kate found her quite intimidating.”
(CONTD)
Little wonder, then, with Harry attending the funeral of his grandfather alone while his pregnant wife remained more than 8000 kilometres away, having been advised against flying by her doctors, the dynamic between him and his brother and sister in law reverted to more how things used to be.
What must Harry have made of being welcomed back into the royal fold by Kate, who he lovingly described as “the big sister I never had” when her engagement to William was announced in November 2010? As the couple’s best man, and for years, the “third person” in their marriage as they carried out public duties as a triumvirate, Harry knows better than most the important role Kate has played in taming his brother’s fiery emotions as the couple prepare to celebrate their 10th wedding anniversary on April 29.
William “hit the roof” when paparazzi photographs emerged of his wife sunbathing topless during a private holiday in the south of France in 2012 but Kate largely shrugged it off. When the couple won €100,000 in damages from Closer, the French magazine that published them, they donated the money to charity. Harry would have also been acutely aware of how hurt and embarrassed intensely private Kate would have been by Meghan’s retelling of the intimate events leading up to their May 2018 wedding – which have been met by stony silence from camp Cambridge. (Close aides continue to insist that Kate was left in tears, as originally reported by this newspaper.)
He also cannot fail to have respect for his sister-in-law’s magnanimity in not only being willing to forgive and forget, but also in trying to foster the same spirit of compassion in their nearest and dearest. The parallels between unflappable Kate and Harry’s famously conflict-avoiding grandmother are becoming increasingly uncanny.
Throughout Megxit, Kate has echoed Her Majesty in reminding friends and family that Harry and Meghan remain “much loved members of the family”. Among the royals most hopeful of a reconciliation, she was even telling friends before the Oprah interview that she did not think it was too late to “pull them back in”.
Even after the bombs rained down on the Firm, the Duchess was said to be keen to try to bury the hatchet – also for the sake of two-year-old Archie’s relationship with his cousins, Prince George, 7, Princess Charlotte, 5, and Prince Louis, 2.
(CONTD)
According to one source: “Being so close to her own siblings, Pippa and James, and having witnessed first hand the special bond between William and Harry, she has found the whole situation difficult and upsetting. Her natural instinct is to try to smooth things over.”
Far from drawing a veil over the conflict that has plagued the monarchy for over a year, Kate’s sacrifice in the face of public duty on Saturday put her in the frame as a Queen in waiting like never before.
The Telegraph, London
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.....I think you might be right. He may be realizing he is glad to free of the bossing and fake baby.
Is he staying because he likes it as a familiar place, or staying because he failed to get money from Charles, and is now hoping to get money from the queen tomorrow by hustling over to "celebrate her birthday"?
Conversely, who wants him around in the UK? The bridges are burnt.
Snip: "EXCLUSIVE: Prince Harry returns home to Montecito to reunite with pregnant Meghan and Archie after solo appearance at Prince Philip's funeral in London
It looks as though Prince Harry has returned to the US to reunite with pregnant wife Meghan and their two-year-old son Archie, DailyMail.com can reveal.
The royal, 36, is believed to have flown into LAX on an American Airlines flight that arrived in Los Angeles shortly after 1.30pm local time.
His car was seen leaving the private terminal at LAX minutes after the plane landed and was spotted again arriving in Montecito at around 4pm.
Harry's return to the U.S. means he will miss the Queen's 95th birthday tomorrow. She remains in mourning following the death of Prince Philip but will resume official duties on Friday.
Prince Charles will also miss the Queen's birthday and is at his home in Wales. Prince William is also not expected to visit her on her big day.
Harry had been widely reported to have been planning to stay for the Queen's birthday, although sources said he was 'conflicted' about the decision and wanted to get home to Meghan."
More at the link
Thanks for the article. I thought it was it was a bit bizarre although apparently intended to flatter Kate.
Posters have correctly pointed out the conflicting press stories this past week. Harry is at Nott Cott, no, at Frogmore. There's a wake but H isn't invited. There's no wake. Yes, there was a wake but it was canceled. Charles won't meet with H, no, they met for 2 hours, no, Charles is afraid to meet with H.
Camilla's article rolls so many conflicting idea into one. Kate was intimidated by M after being married to W for many years and birthing 2 children, Kate was an "unknown" when she married Will after all those public dating years vs the fame of a minor US cable TV actress. Kate welcomed H on Saturday when we all saw H appear to run after W&K after the service.
@ShawdeeRozz:
"Lady C pointed out something very important in her video today. She asked why M and H would have pushed for half in/half out if the above (and the racist comments) had really happened. "
That's very good point she made as well. The RF are racists but we wanted to work for them part time.
" I think it is beyond bizarre that ANYONE would take suicidal impulses to HR!"
Yes, I agree. Although it makes sense to go to HR, assuming she really did, which as we've learned in the interview she has no love for the truth, was all about documenting her narrative, plotting her betrayal. If she were suffering from suicidal thoughts, she should have confided in her husband and he should have used some of that can-do "what Meghan wants, Meghan gets" attitude to rustle her up some professional help.
Nothing adds up with these 2 schemers. Meghan is clearly jealous than Kate and Harry is clearly more jealous of his older and wiser brother than we knew.
Catherine is a classy person who always does the appropriate thing in public, no matter how difficult it might be for her personally. She is going to have to call on this skill a lot in the coming days and years. 10 years into her tenure in the Firm, she can handle it.
@Lt. Uhura
Glad to see you back! In answer to your query as to why H is purposely dismantling his grandfather’s legacy out of spite... I had a chilling thought. If H has swallowed the lie that Philip somehow had his mother killed—That would go along way toward explaining his incredibly callous behavior and lack of any detectable grief. It would also put his bailing on the Royal Marines at Deal In favor of chilling for his wife at Disney into some context. H seemed to enjoy a laugh with his granddad As recently as 2017, but who’s been around to pour poison into his ears since then? And in this conspiracy theory of Philip as royal assassin, fabrication started by Mohamed al-Fayed has at its root—racism. Why did Diana have to die? Because—she was consorting with a dark skinned Muslim man and was going to taint the bloodline of her son the future King. Let’s take a guess at who might have reactivated this vicious smear against the patriarch of the Royal family. And age is dumb enough and bitter enough to swallow it whole.
It’s entirely clear that H flew what, 5000 miles, In the hopes of cash and photo ops, not because he was mourning his grandfather.
Even if his marriage to Meghan ends up as the train wreck many of us think it will be (right now, it’s at the flaming dumpster fire stage), and Harry returns to the UK with Archie and little Diarito, he will never be trusted. And Archie and Diarito will also never be trusted because they may be enlisted to pump members of the RF for information to pass on to Harry to weaponize or monetize.
Here’s what Page Six from the New York Post said today with quotes from a source.
https://pagesix.com/2021/04/20/prince-harry-to-return-to-us-without-speaking-to-charles/
New York Post - Page Six
Prince Harry to return to US without speaking to Charles one-on-one
By Sara Nathan
April 20, 2021 | 10:10am
Prince Harry will fly home to the US without having “one-on-one” chats with either his father or brother — because neither trust him enough to speak with him alone, sources told Page Six.
The only tete-a-tete among Harry, Prince William and their dad, Prince Charles, was a three-way “clear-the-air talk” at Harry’s UK home, Frogmore Cottage, following Prince Philip’s funeral on Saturday, sources said.
Charles and William would only agree to talk to Harry if there were witnesses to what was said, because the heir to the throne and his elder son feared that a twisted account might leak out from Harry’s camp, the sources said.
When Charles and William reached out to Harry last month following the bombshell interview he and wife Meghan Markle gave to Oprah Winfrey, the news was quickly reported by Gayle King — who revealed the talks were “not productive.”
Saturday’s three-way talk didn’t fully mend any cracks in the high-profile family, which arose after Harry, 36, and Meghan, 39, did a tell-all in which they accused the royal family of racism.
“They are being protective of one another — no one wants anything private being reported back to anyone. Nobody wants anything out there,” a UK royal source told us.
“And no one can pretend to know what was said on Saturday — it was just immediate family after the service.”
If you reward for bad behavior, you will get more bad behavior. Doesn't matter if the bad behavior is being exhibited by a dog, a horse, or a ginger-haired prick.
Interesting coincidence that I hadn't heard before.
I completely agree with your assessment of the zigzagging, rolling content of the Tominey article, and I am glad you shared your thoughts because I read it twice thinking I must tired because it seemed to be almost a little silly and contradictory in spots?
Maybe she too is tired of all the different stories and decided to mash it all together and thereby basically throw her hands up in the air.
Sorry, not buying it.
I know some people in the UK believe the `Grandpa killed Mummy' idea but, much as they might have wished to see the back of Diana at times, I refuse to believe that they would have engineered anything that might rob their grandsons of their mother.
Great find — I suppose his return to Megacito means he got thoroughly cold-shouldered by Charles and William on the subjects of money and extra perks. Charles was not a man somewhat buoyed by the warmth of a sorrowful, loving returning son. I have been vocal about my dismay that Charles went to Wales just now, but to others’ points here, it may well have been to figuratively close the gate and send H on his way.
There is no way I can believe the brothers patched things up. If H wanted to accomplish that difficult feat, he would have stayed longer in the U.K. to try to work things out. I think WIlliam also let him know the gates are locked.
Enjoy your life sentence with the wigged monster, Harry. If you have the temerity to turn up again for the statue unveiling, don’t expect any more warmth than you’ve seen thus far.
I wonder how much longer it will take H to understand it’s over, and no one wants his crazy wife’s “forgiveness.” Oprah is turned her patio chats into a regular program series, so I expect he and Megs will pop up there again soon to talk to throw more wood on the fire.
I agree with you, I don’t believe for a minute Philip arranged the demise of Diana. I primarily don’t think he would have done so. Also, they could have taken her in hand more easily with work, money, or marriage opportunities. Or simply gotten rid of Dodie with other honeypots. Plus, too many random events, last minute changes of plan, occurred that evening, sudden decisions they could not have planned for. It makes a great tale of mystery, but I think It was just a perfect storm of wealth-oiled stupidity, alcohol, and plain bad luck.
The “Philip had Diana killed” is One of the more bizarre and baseless cockamamie theories ever invented. I think it originated with Mohammed al-Fayed, A grieving father who refused to accept any responsibility for his son’s behavior which played directly into the tragedy, and was his way of lashing out to wound the powerful family who had rejected him. It’s true that nobody in the Royal family thought Dodi a suitable partner for Diana. A millionaire playboy/acknowledged cokehead whose father was possibly bankrolling terrorists? Yes, they are religion was troubling, since Islam is quite antithetical to the COE, of which Diana‘s former mother-in-law was the head. No one could imagine this blended family working out. Since the midnight Dash in Paris was completely spontaneous, and the couple’s route Not planned in advance, how was Philip supposed to have arranged a perfect hit in the Alma Tunnel at that precise time and location? The couple was supposed to stay overnight in the hotel. How serendipitous that all the elements came together perfectly for a Phillips dastardly plan: and employee under the influence, hastily called back from off duty because Dodi insisted on going out. Forcing his father‘s employee to drive too fast for the conditions. Convenient paparazzi on motorbikes creating the perfect amount of confusion for the mysterious white car/flash bang to ram the car Diana was in into a convenient pillar right then. If she had her seatbelt on, she would’ve walked away from this and been able to describe everything. This plan relied on so many coincidences. It also overlooks the fact that If Diana had an ally within the family, it was Philip. He suddenly became the heavy in this tableau for no logical reason.
After bringing Diana’s body home from Paris, Charles walked behind her cortège all the while fearing he’d be shot since he was the most hated man in the kingdom. That had to have been worse than what he’s dealing with now, but with the passage of nearly 24 years, perhaps he’s forgotten a bit. The echoes from that terrible day or still reverberating down the years and have created the current mess in the house of Windsor. For all their great privilege and wealth, history reveals them to be quite an accursed family. Madness is running amok again...It flares up at least once in every generation in this family.
Lol, a comment on the DM article about H’s return to the US, from a poster called Oh Woe Is Me, Sutton, United Kingdom:
“And don’t come back, you big girls blouse!”
625 likes already!
Diana was known not to bother with seat belts when abroad and there's another factor that I've never seen mentioned - a report about `tolerance' of alcohol in France (I mean medical tolerance, not a societal attitude)
I wish I could remember when it was I read the report (before or after Diana's death?)- the gist of it was that, at that time, there were many drivers on French roads who were apparently stone-cold sober but were revealed to have blood alcohol levels well over the limit, by the then British standards, when tested. Times have changed - I understand one has to carry a `breathalyser' in the car now in France.
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Lt Uhura - Hi! Good to see you again.
DM has photos of his Escalade returning home at Moneycito.
@Ralph L.:
Harry on cell phone: “OK, the plane has just landed and I can’t wait to get away from all these normals. Should be getting into an Escalade from the car service shortly.”
Meghan on her phone: “So how much money did you get from them? You better not be coming back here with empty pockets. Did you lay the big guilt trip on your dad and granny?”
“I’ve called a pap agency, so be looking for a photographer and don’t let them shoot your bald spot. Be sure to tell the driver to not go too fast. They need to be able to follow you all the way home. I’ll have your room in the basement ready for you. It has a new cot for you to sleep on, and you won’t get a new one if you wet it again.”
Catherine is turning out to be magnificent. It must be so reassuring to the Queen to know that she will be Queen someday.
How thoughtful of Philip to leave his carriage ponies and equipment to Lady Louise.
The MSM on both sides of the Atlantic are now and have been corrupt for decades. They make up stories out of whole cloth and slant things to suit their purposes, one of which, sadly, is to foment a race war. They fully believe if they tell a lie often enough it becomes the truth, and tragically, many people are too dumb, lazy, and or uninterested to find out the truth.
Sir Stinx, I am so sorry to read about your daughter and her issues. Your life is more important than her problems She has threatened you. She needs to be away from you. And I would take away her phone completely. Especially since it's her "kryptonite". No 13 y.o. needs a phone that can do anything but call immediate relatives and 911/999.
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Lt Uhura - Hi! Good to see you again.
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And you :)
@Lt. Uhura
Glad to see you back! In answer to your query as to why H is purposely dismantling his grandfather’s legacy out of spite... I had a chilling thought. If H has swallowed the lie that Philip somehow had his mother killed—That would go along way toward explaining his incredibly callous behavior and lack of any detectable grief. It would also put his bailing on the Royal Marines at Deal In favor of chilling for his wife at Disney into some context. H seemed to enjoy a laugh with his granddad As recently as 2017, but who’s been around to pour poison into his ears since then? And in this conspiracy theory of Philip as royal assassin, fabrication started by Mohamed al-Fayed has at its root—racism. Why did Diana have to die? Because—she was consorting with a dark skinned Muslim man and was going to taint the bloodline of her son the future King. Let’s take a guess at who might have reactivated this vicious smear against the patriarch of the Royal family. And age is dumb enough and bitter enough to swallow it whole.
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Yes, you are right on every count, @ Hikari. Not to mention you named it right from the start.
I don't understand how someone could be so , well, inhuman.
Yeah the Harkles or whoever is responsible for the story is really tripling down on the Sauga a Frogmore Cottage as the Harkles beloved UK base. Do we really suppose that the prince of Wales would have condescended to schlep over there when there was the whole of Windsor Castle for private talks? Maybe Catherine Was brought along to get out the tea tray while H showed Pa Around to look at all the beautiful furnishings as chosen by the Claw with Charles’ money? After all, Chaz and William hadn’t been inside since they visited after the “birth of Archie” And the place wasn’t finished then. How sporting of Eugénie and Jack to remove themselves and their newborn, “clear out“ as I believe one report had it so that this air clearing talk could proceed. Although another story said that the Brooksbanks were definitely At Royal Lodge with Andrew and Fergie. No mention of Hs Unspecified number of security detail also clearing out… He probably would have wanted them around, seeing as he was out numbered Evidently Frogmore Cottage has five bedrooms. If one has been converted into a baby nursery, and one is the master bedroom taken by himself, that leaves three bedrooms for the security detail. Is that enough? Surely an internationally protected person venturing into the hostile territory of Granny’s home would need at least six guys, necessitating that they double up. It’s so much trouble being so important.
... At Royal Lodge with Andrew and Fergie. No mention of Hs Unspecified number of security detail also clearing out… He probably would have wanted them around, seeing as he was out numbered Evidently Frogmore Cottage has five bedrooms. If one has been converted into a baby nursery, and one is the master bedroom taken by himself, that leaves three bedrooms for the security detail. Is that enough? Surely an internationally protected person venturing into the hostile territory of Granny’s home would need at least six guys, necessitating that they double up. It’s so much trouble being so important.
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I would like to know why 'Granny' is suddenly an 'enemy'.
That Eugenie, what a great girl—Always loaning out her living space to her cousin for private meetings and goofy videos with celebrities. I hope uncle Charles will remember her generosity when the time comes and he needs a hand with the rota. Sooner or later, both she and Bea Will have to be made counselors of state. It’s 14 years until George is of age, and Andrew and Harry will certainly not be representing the queen again in this lifetime, or King Charles either, I’m guessing.
The royal, 36, is believed to have flown into LAX on an American Airlines flight that arrived in Los Angeles shortly after 1.30pm local time
His car was seen leaving the private terminal at LAX minutes after the plane landed and was spotted again arriving in Montecito around 4pm
Harry's return to the U.S. means he will miss the Queen's 95th birthday tomorrow - who remains in mourning following the death of Prince Philip but will resume official duties on Friday
How callus. This dope would not even stick around for his Grandmother's birthday. Proof that he came back to wring more funding out of Dad. Dad flummoxed Haps by retreating to his Welsh bolthole for mourning plus to avoid Haps. Avoid Haps guilt tripping him into handing over more of that sweet, sweet Duchy money.
Too bad we can't hear M's final phone call ordering him to return.--- "You got nothing!!??? You better get some upfront payment from your job at that mental place in San Fran. I don't have any money to pay our water bill so the grass is burning up. The shrubs are getting brown and dropping leaves. The chickens have no feed so are not laying. I have to buy gallons of bottled water at the markets. No water to flush the toilet so I have to do my business outside, as I did in Africa."
Gran Has been on H’s Sh#t list Ever since the tiara incident, and she became the enemy after she said No to the List of Demands.
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Charles has got to hold the line. William won’t have a problem, But Charles might waver After the pain of the last several weeks recedes. To go the rest of his life with no contact with his son is going to seem very hard. Cutting off a brother isn’t as hard as disowning your child, because you are really cutting off a part of yourself. A sibling Is a completely different individual who through no choice of your own, happened to share the same womb at a different time. It’s nice to think that bonds people for life, but in reality, It’s very easy to take a different path from a sibling that will never again meet up.
Pretty wild everyone scattered for HM's birthday. I get it, but still so very sad.
Is this the end for H&M? How do they rise from the swamp? The wreath, the disheveled disinterested disrespecting duke? I think he is on drugs. Hopefully cut off completely. What a disgrace the both of them.
I remember reading you Lt. Uhura, great to see you!
At the time I remember reading that in France, the practice is to stabilize the patient at the scene before transporting to hospital and their ambulances are state of the art, like mobile ORs. That is a very long time, though. I think it took quite a while to assess the severity of her internal injuries because she was so unmarked on the outside.
It’s hard to believe that H is now older than his mother ever got to be. Which is why him constantly milking the ‘we are just a young couple who deserves a break ‘cuz we can’t support ourselves’ so odious. He and his wife act like a couple of college kids on spring break, permanently wasted and complaining about having any responsibilities rather than two people who are actually pushing 40 with a family. Allegedly.
https://www.insider.com/meghan-harry-royal-family-overshadowed-william-kate-2021-4
In which Anna Pasternak reminds us that Suxxits we’re forced out of the royal family because they outshone the future King and Queen. They were “electric!” In contrast to the “dull, dowdy and suburban Cambridges.”
Yawn...this is so 2018, Mugsy dear. So, so predictable you are. You should ask for a refund on your PR when all they do is reheat the same article is from three years ago.
Translation: H didn’t get a damn thing on the recent fundraising trip but a boot up the backside possibly. Came home empty-handed. So release the hounds of PR!
Oh, dear… I do hope the Russian oligarchs thugs aren’t at the door threatening to break legs over mortgage payments in arrears… Let’s see how much longer after this failed trip the Montecito address remains their “home”.
Oh, Netflix stock tumbled 11% today after a massive shortfall of projected new subscribers. They have been Markled .
Similarly in the UK - ambulance service no longer does `pick up & run for the hospital'. The first hour is the most important - the `Golden Hour'- patient stabilised before being taken to A&E.
Sadly though, much of that time is wasted waiting for the ambulance to arrive at the scene, offset to some extent by call-handlers being able to talk those on the spot through the procedures they can manage eg CPR, delivering a baby!
The Mail spokesperson mentioned how the Mail in particular is strong on its Royal coverage.
Do we put 2 & 2 together?
I had a chilling thought. If H has swallowed the lie that Philip somehow had his mother killed—That would go along way toward explaining his incredibly callous behavior and lack of any detectable grief....
According to Lady C’s latest video, Harry was disrespectful towards his Grandfather because he didn’t think Megsy would be a suitable royal wife (as in demeanour, background etc). This I believe is true. Nothing to do with Diana or how she died. Both Princes blame the paps, even though they only played a factor in her untimely death,.
Welcome back to Nuttyland! ;o)
Sorry, I did have a quick look at the overnight posts before I posted and didn't see yours re H flying back to his jailer. She must have a retractable lead.
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Re. the witch going to HR in her hour of need: in the article I mentioned yesterday, I quoted Michelle Ruiz - whoever she is - as saying "H.R. is not your friend and there's a lack of diversity in upper management". I just wondered now in that case, why would the witch go to HR if they are so lacking in diversity? And why didn't she mention this lack of diversity in her interview (I don't think she did but I didn't watch it as the sight and/or sound of that viper sickens me). Anyway, how would M Ruiz know?
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Good to see you back, hope you've been well.
I hope she can keep strong.
Whoopi Goldberg, Kerry Washington, Chris Evans and Mariah Carey were just some of the stars who were first to share their thoughts on Twitter' (DM).
How long before the spitting cobra of Montecito dispenses her pearls of wisdom to the public? After all, she is a biracial woman so will want to add her voice.
'She is really wonderful and so kind': Chrissy Teigen says Meghan Markle reached out to her after tragically losing her baby son Jack halfway through her pregnancy.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9494695/Chrissy-Teigen-says-Meghan-Markle-reached-tragically-losing-son-Jack.html
@SirStinxAlot So sorry to hear about your daughter and the problems she's causing you. You've had some great advice from fellow Nutties. I hope you get help soon and please take care of yourself
To anyone else who is still experiencing grief after the loss of a loved one.(((BIG HUGS)))
Finally, Happy 95th Birthday to Her Majesty.
God Save the Queen!!
With the appearance of a number of articles discussing the possibility of Prince Charles not becoming King or of the monarchy ending altogether, all we need now is for a politician to wade into the fray and then there will be action. From the Queen. As she has done before.
I was critical of Prince Charles for going alone to Wales but the night before last my heart welled up for him, as the grief he has is not 'just' the grief any of us have but the weight of monarchy, of history on his shoulders and that where we are now leads directly back to his disastrous first marriage. I even wondered if he and Camilla may not be quite as close at the moment, as she inevitably played her part during that disastrous marriage (I like Camilla BTW).
Maybe what we are seeing, with the time alone in Wales, is Prince Charles preparing to face this once and for all. Pull up the drawbridge while his son stands on the other side. I don't buy the talk that Prince Charles is 'desperate for a reconciliation' for a moment. That man we saw before us was nowhere near that frame of mind.
I'm also sceptical about this certainty that Catherine, in dropping back, was acting as a peacemaker. She could equally have been expressing her deep anger with H for what he has done, and she went to Sophie who obviously shares that view. Or she could have been saying to William 'you have to deal with this'. We just don't know. The BRF must have endless diversion, if they read the press and social media, seeing how a mere speculation runs and runs until everyone forgets how it started.
What I do know though, that the level of contradictory reporting, and the obsessive focus on trivia, is something we last saw with Archie's birth. At this exhausting and mind-numbing level. I don't remember this ever happening pre-Sussex and I'm approaching 60 and followed the War of the Waleses. It's not all due to the advent of social media. It's the press itself. Manipulative drip-feeding has to be a key factor and we all know who has a little grid and just lives for this kind of thing.
I am still shocked by H's noticeable lack of grief at the funeral. I have the reserved English horror of showing your emotions in public but this was not that. He was so obviously just thinking of his own interests. It was chilling. He's dead to all human feeling.
I agree with another Nutty earlier in this thread that I no longer think of M as the main villain and architect of this. They are as bad as each other. It's like when you read of one person with a dubious character meeting another one the same or slightly further along the road, and together they commit crimes and depravities on a scale they would never have reached alone. They pooled their resources, their manipulative skills and their knowledge of their victims' timetables and habits, and then anchored each other's steps down the slippery slope.
According to Lady C’s latest video, Harry was disrespectful towards his Grandfather because he didn’t think Megsy would be a suitable royal wife (as in demeanour, background etc). This I believe is true. Nothing to do with Diana or how she died. Both Princes blame the paps, even though they only played a factor in her untimely death,.
Prince Philip's own words to H -'One steps out with actresses, one doesn't marry them'
More at DM https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7148007/Did-Prince-Philip-tell-Harry-One-steps-actresses-one-doesnt-marry-them.html
Should we attach any significance to the fact that the message came with a photo of HM (long-established military usage for `Her Majesty') visiting MI5?
Could it be `Don't forget, I know all about you, you impertinent baggage. You are still under surveillance'?'
Oh well, we can but hope.
"The world was watching as Prince Harry reunited with the royal family for Prince Philip's funeral and now, Radar has learned what really happened behind closed doors and it wasn't pretty.
A palace source tells Radar, Harry felt "ambushed" by his father Prince Charles and his brother Prince William during their unscheduled two-hour meeting at Windsor Castle after Philip's service on Saturday.
“The meeting after the family laid Prince Philip to rest was not scheduled. Harry felt ambushed by his dad and brother which is no way to start a peace process,” the insider reveals.
Our source says Harry wasn't willing to make amends in his wife Meghan Markle's absence. “Harry has a long list of grievances and demands and isn’t willing to negotiate or talk about the future without Meghan being part of the process,"
Despite Harry's conversation with Charles and William, Radar is told the communication between the three royal family members was “unproductive.”
“Now to you negotiate peace with a couple who are willing to burn the whole place down? Harry and Meghan think they are coming to the table in a position of power and they have nothing else to lose," our palace source says. "Everything, from titles to money to security has already been taken away. If the family is serious about making peace they could start by returning everything they removed.”
While Harry plans on Meghan being a part of the negotiation process, another source tells us that despite playing family peacemaker, William's wife Kate Middleton will not be present during the conversation.
"Kate wants what is best for her husband and the royal family. She loves Harry but doesn’t get involved in this sort of stuff,” the family insider reveals. “It isn’t Kates place to decide which family members get titles and money.”
Full story at the link
https://radaronline.com/p/prince-harry-ambushed-charles-william-unproductive-meeting-philip-funeral/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9494643/Queen-bigger-global-brand-Beyonc-Kim-Kardashian-Oprah-Winfrey-research-claims.html
Just from this except it’s clear Radar are being fed and paid for Sussex PR because it’s devoid of facts.
No wonder some Americans know or understand so little about what’s really gone on, if online or printed media can’t be bothered to research and fact check what they are fed.
"Despite Harry's conversation with Charles and William, Radar is told the communication between the three royal family members was “unproductive.”
Oh, I'd say the meeting was very productive! Harry learned he can't tantrum and bully his way to get what he wants. "What Harry wants, Harry gets!" Ummm, no and his family made that clear when he made his "half in the bag" pitch a year ago. He wanted his freedom but he didn't want to earn his way in life, like every other "kid" leaving home. The fact he's no clue how entitled and pathetic this makes him look just shows you the level of delusion he's operating under.
And this pitiful tantrum comes on same day we learn the Queen is more powerful than all the wokies combined and is bigger than Disney. Well, Disney hasn't been what it used to be for some time, not to tarnish the Queen's shine.
Stupid Meghan burned the most powerful bridge she ever walked over. These two are gonna be in for a rude surprise when they learn, they played their final cards and it was snake eyes all along.
These 2 have played their last card and better hope the millions he inherited, the Netflix deals and CHIMPO title allow them to continue to live in the lap of luxury in Monteceito. Leaking "their truth" to Radar, the raggiest rag of them all, is the new norm, the true level of their fame, LMAO.
"Ambushed" really? They ambushed the entire family on Philips death bed!!!!
"In which Anna Pasternak reminds us that Suxxits we’re forced out of the royal family because they outshone the future King and Queen. They were “electric!” In contrast to the “dull, dowdy and suburban Cambridges.”
Yawn...this is so 2018, Mugsy dear. So, so predictable you are. You should ask for a refund on your PR when all they do is reheat the same article is from three years ago.
Translation: H didn’t get a damn thing on the recent fundraising trip but a boot up the backside possibly. Came home empty-handed. So release the hounds of PR!"
Spot on, Hikari. And this claptrap PR comes on the heels of this: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9494643/Queen-bigger-global-brand-Beyonc-Kim-Kardashian-Oprah-Winfrey-research-claims.html
Welcome back Lt. Uhura!
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'With the appearance of a number of articles discussing the possibility of Prince Charles not becoming King or of the monarchy ending altogether, all we need now is for a politician to wade into the fray and then there will be action. From the Queen. As she has done before.
'I was critical of Prince Charles for going alone to Wales but the night before last my heart welled up for him, as the grief he has is not 'just' the grief any of us have but the weight of monarchy, of history on his shoulders and that where we are now leads directly back to his disastrous first marriage. I even wondered if he and Camilla may not be quite as close at the moment, as she inevitably played her part during that disastrous marriage (I like Camilla BTW).
'Maybe what we are seeing, with the time alone in Wales, is Prince Charles preparing to face this once and for all. Pull up the drawbridge while his son stands on the other side. I don't buy the talk that Prince Charles is 'desperate for a reconciliation' for a moment. That man we saw before us was nowhere near that frame of mind.'
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Very much hope you're right.
https://twitter.com/RoyaNikkhah/status/1384826383449444352/photo/1
Two D Lister fame hungry peas in a pod.
Meghan is going to eat John and Chrissy for lunch. John and Harry are very similar (but John is educated and talented). Wait for the connection hit up. I imagine she’ll try to get them onboard for an archewell show.
Compare that to tawdry Meghan. Remember all those cheap-looking rings she merched at Eugenie's wedding? Her hand festooned with them? The dangling price ticket at her hem on another formal occasion? The plastic still on the handbag? Knowingly ruining the PR value of not just a Sussex foreign tour but the highly sensitive and otherwise highly successful Cambridge visit to Pakistan. I've never rated anything Anna Pasternak has written. As another Nutty said, she is way behind the times. The Sussex defence players are looking increasingly tired and frayed around the edges.
I do believe, however, that Harry, being in general rather shiftless and low energy, probably got a glimpse of his old life while back in the UK and realized what he's missing. He's not the 'hussle for your supper' type--he no doubt hates the lifestyle he's being 'forced' to live now that he's been cut off. I don't think he wants to be out wheeling and dealing, and I don't imagine he's very good at it either. He's used to being a third wheel, he and William and Catherine actually made quite a good team back in the day. They were able to speak about their important issues without having to find an audience, and Harry was able to be more of a slacker with his down time than his brother.
Meghan came in with her visions of grandeur and exploited Harry's weaknesses. Not only did she convince him that together they could do more and do it better and faster and more modern than anyone had ever done it before (typical American attitude), but that only with her by his side could it be done.
He looks absolutely miserable. The fall out of the interview didn't go as Meghan planned, and I do believe Harry had no idea how far Meghan was going to take it, and it has caused some big problems between the two of them. I wouldn't be surprised if he's thinking about leaving and wanted to put out some feelers while he was home, but it wasn't the time or place for such things. And the two people who could help him with the situation are the two people he most tossed under the proverbial bus. And in no way whatsoever does it behoove either Charles or William to help, really.
The British public is smarting over the insults of The Interview and is in mourning over the loss of Prince Philip. To suddenly welcome the hapless Harry back into the fold with a "my bad, but we're all good now!" would leave a real bad taste in the mouth of most of their loyal subjects. While I generally believe the Harry Markle blog is a bit over the top (or maybe more than a bit), I believe it is well tapped into the general zeitgeist of the British public over this entire situation.
There will be a slight bump in positive press when the new baby is born and then it will all die down and that will be the end of it, I believe. Within in the next several years, they will divorce, and Harry will return to the loving arms and wallet of his family and head off to Botswana, and be heard from only very rarely. It's what he's always wanted. He got sidetracked by a master manipulator.
I believe the divorce and custody battle will make for some spectacular fireworks, though.
And if `“It isn’t Kates place to decide which family members get titles and money.”, as sure as Hell it isn't H's wife either.
BTW:
Do the Royals of other European nations attract criticism over the misdeeds of their ancestors? Jardine for instance in her book on Wm III (the Stadtholder from the Netherlands)tells of how he landed with a large no. of black slaves from the plantations in Suriname (Dutch Guiana) in his entourage.
Good one and extended not pretended. Under the Proverbial bus indeed! Megs will never get in on the woke, modernizing Hollywood action. This field is too crowded. And their (Hollyweird) so called product is useless, unwatchable these days. So no need to boycott. Best I have seen in the last few years is the subtitled version of Casa De Papel, made in Spain. (netflix) Season One.
Meghan came in with her visions of grandeur and exploited Harry's weaknesses. Not only did she convince him that together they could do more and do it better and faster and more modern than anyone had ever done it before (typical American attitude)
I wouldn't be surprised if he's thinking about leaving and wanted to put out some feelers while he was home, but it wasn't the time or place for such things. And the two people who could help him with the situation are the two people he most tossed under the proverbial bus.
Seeing that awful article and how quickly it appeared brought to mind the quote:
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.” (These words are usually credited to Albert Einstein.)
The Family has been clear with Harry and Meghan, “You cannot extort us.” Yet, the duo continues with the same tactic. H&M are clearly getting desperate for money — they spend like water flows down Niagara Falls and new money is not coming in at nearly the rate they need to maintain their over-the-top lifestyle. It’s a good thing the Montecito mansion has all those bedrooms and bathrooms. They can start taking in lodgers.
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Hapless nitwit fled from one woman he has known the longest (his granny) to another one called M. How pathetic. He self-harmed his reputation in the UK by not going to her birthday. By not having the patience to stay a few more days. Trans-Atlanicly Fliting about like an annoying mosquito.
Charles, cheers for bolting to avoid the Hapless annoyance. And cheer up soon, your nation needs you to be strong and in (semi) charge, to work along with your mother.
“I do believe, however, that Harry, being in general rather shiftless and low energy, probably got a glimpse of his old life while back in the UK and realized what he's missing. He's not the 'hussle for your supper' type--he no doubt hates the lifestyle he's being 'forced' to live now that he's been cut off. I don't think he wants to be out wheeling and dealing, and I don't imagine he's very good at it either. He's used to being a third wheel, he and William and Catherine actually made quite a good team back in the day. They were able to speak about their important issues without having to find an audience, and Harry was able to be more of a slacker with his down time than his brother.”
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Kate, your analysis is so well written. Harry did get a good look at his old life on this trip and I’m certain he saw what he’s now missing.
He obviously didn't have a clue how dependent he was on others as he obviously never thought how he was going to afford to replace them. M likes hustling. H doesn't. I wonder if people are laying bets how long the marriage will last? I think the only thing keeping it together now is that H doesn't want his family and the unsugared public to be proved right. Quite pointless as we've already been proved to be right. Eventually, when things settle down, H will realise no one's paying the price but him.
"'UNWAVERING RESPECT' Prince Harry met Queen privately ‘at least twice’ and spoke to Charles & William on ‘family focused’ UK trip, pal claims
PRINCE Harry met the Queen privately "at least twice" and chatted to Charles and William on his "family focused" UK trip.
A pal has claimed the Duke of Sussex met with the Monarch a number of times, after he flew in to mourn his grandfather.
The source told Bazaar.com: "The love and respect he has for his grandmother will always be unwavering.
“This trip was to honour the life of his grandfather and support his grandmother and relatives.
"It was very much a family-focused period of time. Saturday broke the ice for future conversations but outstanding issues have not been addressed at any great length.
"The family simply put their issues to one side to focus on what mattered.”
Harry stayed at Frogmore Cottage in the grounds of Windsor Castle while he was in the country.
He saw a number of family members, the source says, including Princess Eugenie and her newborn son.
Prince Harry also had the first face to face conversations with his dad and brother since officially stepping down as senior royals last year.
The Queen is celebrating her 95th birthday today, after Harry touched down back in the US yesterday.
She issued a personal message thanking the nation for support and kindness following Prince Philip's death.
It was thought Harry might stay to see his grandmother on her birthday, after buying an open-ended ticket - but with pregnant Meghan Markle at home in the US he rushed back.
Omid Scobie claims while no plans have been officially confirmed, Prince Harry is expected to come back to the UK in July.
This would be for the unveiling of a statue of his late mum, Princess Diana.
He is thought to be planning to join brother William for a ceremony at Kensington Palace, rescheduled from last summer.
Harry flew to Los Angeles on an American Airlines flight from London, which arrived at LAX shortly after 1.30pm local time on Tuesday.
His black 4x4 was seen leaving the airport’s private terminal minutes after the plane landed and was spotted again arriving in Montecito at around 4pm.
The royal’s return follows a summit at Frogmore Cottage with Prince William, Kate and Prince Charles."
Charles, cheers for bolting to avoid the Hapless annoyance
I believe PC went straightaway to Wales because the official mourning period during which he would have no official obligations, was to end a week after PC’s funeral. Being able to leave Harry in the dust was just a side benefit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbnUI5m70VU&t=267s
Even had a cabin in Big Bear CA
Harry has also never been low energy. He is still very fit and he has always been athletic.
@Sir Stinx...I am so sorry for the pain your daughter is putting you through. Please keep safe.
I wonder if Charles has had some advice regarding methods of dealing with Narcissistic offspring. It sounds like he is trying to put some distance between himself and H. He stopped taking his calls, kept William as a buffer at the funeral and after and then decamped to Wales. Greyrocking?
I also think H is fully stupid enough to blame his grandfather for Diana's death. He blames the press after all, and Diana's lack of security, illustrating his inability to look at the situation with any clarity. She was fully complicit in her own tragic end.
@Curiously said
"Everything, from titles to money to security has already been taken away. If the family is serious about making peace they could start by returning everything they removed.”
The effrontry!!!
Its going to be nonstop BS for weeks until they feel they have counteracted the goodwill the death of Philip gave the BRF.
They have No Shame.
Birthday greetings to HM. May the Lord bless you and keep you!
Unless and until the Sussexes actually involve themselves with the Chauvin-George Floyd case, please refrain from discussing it on the blog. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
Funny that you should say that, charade. I was just wondering myself when the Village Idiots from Montecito will be prostrating themselves on that particular altar because they got nothin' else. Will it be today, or will they wait until tomorrow? I wonder if there's an online gambling place to place a bet as to when the switch to grasping the tombstone of the patron saint of justice will occur? I "bet" there is!
I get the feeling that today will be filled with endless iterations of "the big meany royal family was disrespectful to the Village Idiots, didn't give us the millions we are due because we're a young family, and we're all out of cocaine and tiaras!" until they realize that nobody cares about their drama.
Sadly (or not), I won't know until tonight because I actually need to be productive. (Think of me wandering out into the sunshine singing a garbled combination of "Oh, What a Beautiful Mornin'" and "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" until 4-year-old grandson pulls up another flowering plant to present to me, saying "Grandmaw, I love you!".) Should I plant running bamboo instead? Nope, I shall just accept dying plant in the spirit with which it was intended with a big hug. I can buy more flowers but loving tributes are priceless.
@WBBM, The Radar online article sounded as though Megs dictated it over the phone. She seems to be frantically trying to reenforce her delusion that she's the one in charge. It is annoying to see the US media supporting her, but it's where we are these days, & US media loves conflict, even when it's none of our business, as this is. Radar online is just a tacky gossip site anyway. Not as bad as CDAN, worse than the Daily Mail, which at least is very tongue in cheek, & doesn't do much to hide the fact that it puts out paid stuff from pr hacks. Sites like Radar absurdly pretend to be really in the know, but are just mouthpieces, like People.
Welcome back, Lt. Uhura!
The Family has been clear with Harry and Meghan, “You cannot extort us.” Yet, the duo continues with the same tactic. H&M are clearly getting desperate for money — they spend like water flows down Niagara Falls and new money is not coming in at nearly the rate they need to maintain their over-the-top lifestyle. It’s a good thing the Montecito mansion has all those bedrooms and bathrooms. They can start taking in lodgers.
Bed and breakfast! (Waffles, oat milk lattes and banana bread on the menu!)
H is apparently home with his wifey
@ Stephanie_123 said...
Regarding the RadarOnline article, Harry/Meghan must think “ambushed” and “thwarted” mean the same thing...
Seeing that awful article and how quickly it appeared brought to mind the quote:
“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.” (These words are usually credited to Albert Einstein.)
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I have yet to see a more-or-less accurate list of M and H's finances. I have never believed they were earning "hundreds of millions" from their Netflix/Spotify/ButterCup positions. It is my belief M and H are close to being broke. Those corporate people do NOT throw money away. This is why I think the strident tone of "we love the Queen" articles are coming out.
Good luck with the little ones today! May your flowers survive the experience!
The bigger picture, I think, is the one that’s not being told. Where is Charles with his king-building articles? Where are stories of Camilla being his rock, and stepping up to bring the family together? Logically, this is the time to focus on Charles and Camilla, since they are the next generation to take over. But they are being skipped over entirely for the Cambridges. Actually, all of the Queen’s children are being skipped over for the Cambridges. A lot of it is probably due to popularity. The public wouldn’t read or respond favorably to those stories, and the public seems to prefer youth and newness to age and experience. But the media is engaging in all this king/Queen building when the Cambridges won’t get the throne for 20 years possibly.
I have a soft spot for underdogs, and Charles, who grew up in a palace wanting for nothing and being spoiled, ironically Charles is an underdog. He was outshone by his mother, then his wife, and now his kids. Some of this is his own doing, yes, but he can’t take a step forward without someone pushing him two steps back. Decades of work in the Princes Trust is never mentioned, nor taken up by his sons. His environmentalism is ignored during this time of climate crisis. His statements of embracing and recognizing all faiths (I paraphrased that badly) was seen as an attack on the Church of England rather than the modernizing approach it was. And now he is alone in Wales (the one story the media seems to agree on), recuperating from his father’s death and his son’s betrayal. But the press got one stunning photo of Kate. That’s what really matters.
Prince Andrew's police protection was scaled back last year as part of cost-cutting measures as he withdrew from Royal duties because of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal.
He still has Met Police personal protection but his officers are no longer routinely armed.
Private Security at the Royal Lodge, which Andrew shares with his ex-wife Sarah, Duchess of York, is provided by the Privy Purse, The Queen's private income.
"I guess I don't understand how they can stay in that Montecito Mansion for so long without money before getting kicked out by the bank? I'm very naive about banks and mortgages and all that stuff. Let's say PC paid for it(so no mortgage), is the big hurdle for those two now the annual property tax bill?"
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If they are living there at all. EVERYTHING about this pair is suspect.
However, I remain convinced the mortgage was facilitated by a R**sian oligarch as a money-laundering operation. JMO. (But I think I'm right.) Just as the Canadian house.
I am getting way tired, to the point of exhaustion, of these two, but I cannot give up on the Monarchy. If that makes sense!
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1391526/prince-harry-news-travalyst-charity-sussex-royal-meghan-markle-royal-family-spt
Travalyst was registered as a limited company on April 3, 2020, nearly 10 months ago, but is not a registered charity.
Yet, the project has been given hundreds of thousands of pounds that originated in a royal charity.
The Royal Foundation, which was jointly run by the Cambridges and the Sussexes until Harry and his wife Meghan Markle split from it to set up their own charity Sussex Royal, funds a number of projects through generous donations.
The now-defunct Sussex Royal and Travalyst each received a huge payout from The Royal Foundation in 2019 when the couples split their charitable endeavours.
An “unrestricted grant” of £145,000 was given to Sussex Royal to facilitate the set-up of the new charity and £144,901 of grants were paid to Travalyst.
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It is understood that Travalyst is a UK non-profit company, limited by guarantee.
Non-profit organisations have fewer restrictions on their work than charities do.
A source told Express.co.uk last year that all Sussex Royal funds would be transferred to Travalyst when it shut down.
According to Companies House, Harry holds at least 75 percent of the shares in Travalyst.
The source said: “During its 12 months, the sole programme in operation and development at the charity has been the sustainable travel and tourism initiative Travalyst.