Instead of the traditional leather gifts on the Sussexes' 3rd Anniversary, we got an announcement for plans of an Indian Community Relief Center after hearing Princess Beatrice's baby announcement.
Let's continue the conversation...
Recently there was (yet another) post somewhere out in the world about how they will soon divorce. And my first thought was: Haven't I heard this before? which moved quickly to: how many times have I heard this (through the years)? There were a number of questions raised which ... I don't know. I'm not a lawyer. One of the points which has been raised is that KC would somehow be shelling out beaucoup money to get her to go "away". That he has all this money stashed away and can pull it out at a moment's notice. But does he? He inherited a lot of "stuff" from his mother but ... isn't it a lot of tangible stuff like properties? and with that staff to maintain it and insurance. Inside said properties is art, antique furniture and other "old stuff" which may be valuable" but ... that kind of thing is subject to the whims and bank accounts of the rarified people who may be interested in it (which is not most of us in terms of bei
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Does anyone else remember the explanation that the reason Princess Diana didn’t wear a seat belt was because security wants to be able to get them out of a car quickly in an emergency.?That seems ridiculous to me. (Seems like the senior royals always look like they have seatbelts on.)
It is pathetic that Harry is being encouraged to spill his deepest thoughts in these pitiful interviews. His wife, Oprah, Gayle, and others should be ashamed. The interviews are so demeaning. I’m sure he believes people are interested and that these tell-all interviews are the American way. But I think most people will be disgusted and bored. He probably loves getting even with his mean old family who has always taken care of him.
He has just gone over Niagara Falls without a barrel.
I'm not knowledgeable on effective therapies but this approach seems unhealthy: "it’s not what”s wrong with you, it’s about what happened to you." I thought coming to terms with yourself in a non-judgmental way would be healing. This type of therapy sounds focused on blame-games. I can see why Harry could not come out of this type of therapy better off.
Maybe other Nutties have a better understanding on this? I am way out of my depth.
Thank you for giving us all of that content.
All I can say is, if this new tale of M’s “suicide“ tale is true, she is manipulative to the highest degree, and psychotic, and doing nothing to help the state of those people who are truly depressed or ill enough to consider suicide.
Blue sequin dress, 6 months pregnant, she shared earlier that evening the suicidal thoughts and her clarity of thought in how she was going to end her life, she was sober and sane and not self medicating, thoughts woke her up in the quiet of night.
Because narcissists are habitual liars, I do not believe this. If Meghan is moving her lips, there is likely a lie or half truth coming out in dome fashion. I think telling Harry she was thinking of hurting herself was a control move and another step in the manipulation of Harry so Meghan could achieve her ultimate goal of quickly returning to California with her royal title and Harry in tow.
I also suspect that since she seems to be obsessed with mimicking Diana, if she tried to make Harry think she would throw herself down a staircase in the dramatic path of Diana.
Rebecca, who is TW?
Brown eyes, I find Harry comes across as authentic and engaging, but yes, it does seem like he is also settling some scores. Maybe that is in his best interest and maybe not. To be determined, I suppose, but yes it does feel as if he has left England for good and is OUT of the royal family. I also kind of feel like since he is regarded as just Harry throughout, maybe he is setting it up where they are going to be the Mountbatten Windsors. 🤷🏼♀️ Idk. Just some thoughts... William’s head is probably exploding after the panorama stuff... I feel bad for them, they are going to have this fallout tomorrow.
Idk about if her stuff is purely manipulative because I’m rich and privileged (obviously not to royalty standards) and let’s just say I had a dark period when my kids were little and I had a very similar discussion with my husband, which sent me to therapy and EMDR (highly recommended by the way). If it’s fake, she researched it enough to understand how to relay the information.
I'm sorry, but this is such an utter load of bullshit that it makes me want to wretch. Thinking as rationally as that "oh, well, I guess I shouldn't do this since his mum is dead too" is not how it works. So many moms, dads, sisters, brothers kill themselves because they see no way out- it's like they are in a burning building and the only choice is to burn or jump out the window.
Once again, the staggering narcissism is showing- apparently Harry is the only lad in the world to have lost a mother. And of course, the wife of a man who lost his mother might toy with suicide but not follow through because that would be unfair to her husband?
UNBELIEVABLE! (in more ways than one.)
I think TW is short for "The Wife" or rather Harry's wife.
@JennS
Yes, I read all your posts. Thank you for all your research and articles. I hope the Sussexes finally get their freedom and piece of mind as Mountbatten-Windsors a.s.a.p.
I was beaten and strangled by my narc on innumerable occasions. I still sometimes get abusive texts from him and I start shaking. But it's because of whinging twats like Harry that I'll never admit to being "triggered."
And frankly, it's because of little bitches like Harry that I don't seek therapy.
If a prince of the realm, with all the privilege and money and everything at his disposal, who has been in therapy, still behaves like this pathetic little injured bitch because his mommy died... why fucking bother?
Sorry to be harsh, but really. Their woke psychobabble will probably harm more people than it helps.
The people who like Harry and his wife are the same people who fill up garbage bags with gasoline and put them in their hatchback. That analogy both literal and figurative ;)
I have used initials like H, M/MM,. And I've used PoW, PP, TQ, and HMTQ. I'll stop if I need to.
Prince Harry says he is ‘ashamed’ of how he responded Meghan Markle’s suicidal thoughts
I'll spare you the first few paragraphs but this caught my eye:
“My biggest regret is not making more of a stance earlier on in my relationship with my wife and calling out racism than when I did,” Harry said.
“My mother was chased to her death while she was in a relationship with someone who wasn’t white. And now look what’s happened.” (my emphasis)
This is a new one. I've been reading the overnight posts quickly but I don't think I saw this. So now Diana's death has racists overtones? Anyone reading this out of context would imagine something very different. I am not a callous person but I really don't believe M was suicidal, she was only emulating Diana and H just believes anything that comes out of her mouth. She has reopened the wound (Diana's death) and keeps twisting the knife.
This is a new one. I've been reading the overnight posts quickly but I don't think I saw this. So now Diana's death has racists overtones? Anyone reading this out of context would imagine something very different. I am not a callous person but I really don't believe M was suicidal, she was only emulating Diana and H just believes anything that comes out of her mouth. She has reopened the wound (Diana's death) and keeps twisting the knife.
They will continue to spin a story to the desired narrative they want to present at any given time. It’s obscenely gross and nauseating. I don’t believe M was suicidal either, she’s a manipulative liar. I can’t just blame just her, he’s guilty too, infact more guilty.
His father was, and remains, a shady character (refused British passport on undisclosed grounds - bro-in-law of an *rms dealer from the same country that gave the gift of those earrings to H's wife).
Dodi himself didn't look like a particularly good role model for the boys.
IMO, there may have been anxiety in some quarters about certain aspects of his dad's dealings and, more generally, the family background culture, not colour, and possible influence on the boys.
As for the seat belt, what a load of rubbish H spouts! Seat belts have ruined a couple of my jackets but that's a small price to pay - I can't think that Diana had to worry about wear on her lapels! Only a prize idiot would imagine it's a security issue.
Apologies, I didn't see the quote because I read the posts quickly and left the Telegraph article for later. This 'someone who wasn’t white' is a new angle and I see M's hand in it.
M puts it out there that someone in the BRF was racist about her baby but out of the goodness of her heart she won't say who it is.
M trashes Catherine. Out of the goodness of her heart she's forgiven her yet she's putting it out there just the same.
She tells H she's actually decided how to kill herself but out of the goodness of her heart she won't do it as it would upset him (that's the most blatant piece of manipulation of all).
I've lost count of the number of times she's told us that she's not going to tell us something. It's all so pathetically juvenile. So transparent.
We're also having to endure "heavily pregnant" again. Not just for this "pregnancy" (ahem) but the last one as well. This woman spends so much time reminding people she is or was "heavily pregnant". She always needs excuses. The race card and the pregnancy card. I visualise those cards being as big as advertising hoardings. H staggering under the weight of them.
Again H utterly refuses to countenance the idea that we had the right to call them out on their many failings. We must accept whatever they do without question or complaint. He seems to think he's Louis XIV.
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As far as I recall, the anxiety about Dodi wasn't about his skin colour.
His father was, and remains, a shady character (refused British passport on undisclosed grounds - bro-in-law of an *rms dealer from the same country that gave the gift of those earrings to H's wife). Clue number 5,983 of what is going on.
Harry has become a stone NUTTER. Look at him, and listen to him. Drugged out of his mind. Life is too hard for him.
Markle is USING him for her own ends. The XXX dollars she is spending on PR (three companies, three!!! she has hired) are all about putting out fires, and convincing woke Big Corporations that the Harkles are "it" for their brands.
*heaving huge sigh* ..... Well, it's not working. As Abraham Lincoln said, 'You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.'
These flawed humans need to fade away into oblivion. Sooner, the better.
This is all the usual pattern.
M puts it out there that someone in the BRF was racist about her baby but out of the goodness of her heart she won't say who it is.
M trashes Catherine. Out of the goodness of her heart she's forgiven her yet she's putting it out there just the same.
She tells H she's actually decided how to kill herself but out of the goodness of her heart she won't do it as it would upset him (that's the most blatant piece of manipulation of all).
I've lost count of the number of times she's told us that she's not going to tell us something. It's all so pathetically juvenile. So transparent.
We're also having to endure "heavily pregnant" again. Not just for this "pregnancy" (ahem) but the last one as well. This woman spends so much time reminding people she is or was "heavily pregnant". She always needs excuses. The race card and the pregnancy card. I visualise those cards being as big as advertising hoardings. H staggering under the weight of them.
Again H utterly refuses to countenance the idea that we had the right to call them out on their many failings. We must accept whatever they do without question or complaint. He seems to think he's Louis XIV.
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This.
I have no problem going back to the standard initials for the BRF. Is Rache okay for Harry's wife? I'm extremely averse to using M or MM because those happen to be the initials of a loved one. I really don't want to maintain that association in my head.
Truth be told, I'm really tempted to start calling Harry's wife Dodi 2.0. Shady interloper that entices a Windsor with glamour and imbues life with drugs, parties, and emotional chaos.
Every time I look at Harry, I am so grateful my Mom kept pushing that I be careful who I let into my life and social circles. You become the average of your friends and family. I think that's the stark difference between William and Harry. Wills has always been guarded whereas Harry was in curated friend and family groups because everyone around him was guarded. Then his bubble collapsed and he's reeling...
I apologize in advance if my sympathies for Harry are grating for most Nutties here. I am still frustrated by him but after watching the "Royal Butler" recount his memories of Harry, my feelings softened again. It was sad to hear William and Harry being best friends before and very similar in how they treated those around them. He even had a story of Harry cleaning a dog's accident indoors.
The "Royal Butler" stories may be careful image boosters but the genuine affection and protectiveness he has for William, Harry, and Catherine is hard not to see.
Today's front page at The Times: a photo of William and a headline blaming the BBC for his mother's paranoia ie she was nuts; one of the other papers, a photo of 'arry whinging about something or other concerning his family zzzzzzz. Really, washing ones dirty washing on public is never a good idea even were the family the family from hell.
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Have just back tracked on BBC News, having seen a snippet of the report on Harry.
BBC News24 Channel (Victoria Derbyshire)at 10am led with the Bashir story - gave it 15 minutes. Really interesting was the interview with Matt Wiessler, the graphic designer to whom Bashir gave the commission to fake the bank statements, without telling him what it was about. Subsequently, Wiessler seems to have been made the scapegoat and so was blacklisted, scuppering his future business plans. he is still very angry and upset.
This was followed by a shorter report about Oprah's latest offering, 6 minutes. I still couldn't stomach it - I'd turned it off earlier when they started to interview a US commentator (sorry didn't catch the name) which seemed pro- H & M. She was still on right at the end.
At least William came first and got 150% more airtime.
All the same, roll on GB TV.
I can't help thinking the publication of the Dyson Report on Bashir was very felicitously timed, intentional or not.
Does anyone else think that Prince William's remark about no longer distributing Diana's Panorama had a point to it? Namely the Sussexes. Omid's comment about it intrigues me. I wouldn't put it past Oprah and them to capitalize on it. So far their Apple TV series is forcing parallels and a white-washing of facts on those with little to no memory of it. Hollywood does like to revisit so-called famous "tragic" figures in their. Is it possible the Sussexes want to start projects of their own giving Diana the Judy Garland and Marilyn Monroe treatment?
That she revealed Dodi kept her on a yacht alongside the one he was sharing with Diana so that he could spend nights with Kelly while he was spending days with Diana?
That it was soon revealed how Fayed Pere orchestrated the entire romance as some sort of trap for Diana.
Does anyone remember Kelly's tearful conferences alongside Gloria Allred detailing all this?
Kelly gave an interview in 2017 that was largely ignored, but seeing No 6 claiming that Diana was pursued because of racism popped off that memory in my head.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4325380/kelly-fisher-dumped-dodi-fayed-princess-diana-photos/
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2008/05/dunne200805
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YuEafiFqc9o
I understood Wm to say he wanted it never to be broadcast again at all, in any form.
The BBC, according to Victoria D, says it won't broadcast it again in its entirety - not the same thing.
Ruddy weasels.
I agree with you and I can understand the complexity of your thoughts about H. I mentioned a year or so ago on here that I had a boyfriend in the early '90s who would now be described as 'toxic' and broke up with me three times without warning, including on Valentine's Day and my birthday. At one point I was taken to a mental hospital but am forever grateful to a doctor there who spoke wisely and humanely to me and made me realise I was strong enough to cope. I did however become seriously underweight and I never felt secure in relationships again. I later discovered I was the only girlfriend to escape being admitted to a mental hospital. Among others he'd ruined a medical student's career and a ballet dancer's career. So I'm aware how much damage one person can do to another and how insidious it is.
Melvyn Bragg put it perfectly when writing the life of Richard Burton and the destructive potential of his relationship with Elizabeth Taylor:
... his London pals told him to “beware”, she would “eat him up”, she was a “monster”. This was not just cocktail party chatter. People can be destroyed; talent can be corrupted; there are monsters who swallow up the personalities of others. Perhaps those in showbusiness and the theatre are more vivid in expressing their understanding of it, but it happens all the time and everywhere. People can take on too much or the wrong struggle and, at first unaware of this, soon be wounded, even annihilated. Burton was aware that she might do this to him.
He was of course an infinitely more intelligent being than H.
Yes I do and saw the interviews at the time. I’m in a rush, but I did want to acknowledge the story. ;o)
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Racism & Dodi:
Our current acronym for `non-white' people is BAME & I reckon it's based on muddled thinking:
B = Black (skin-colour designation); A = Asian (geographical origins); ME= Minority Ethnic (demographic percentage).
The rest of us are White (British or Irish - geographical and political, heavily contested in Northern Ireland) or White (European)
I'm sure you can see overlapping categories, plus one case of lumping very disparate people togeter. I've no idea where this leaves those from N.Africa & Near/Middle East.
Physical Anthropology might once have given us an answer but that's been cancelled and nobody dare say much about Indo-European origins, and then only very quietly.
BTW Cheddar Man makes an interesting study of contrasting attitudes (eg. BBC v. those who grasp genetic probabilities:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-42939192
- versus -
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5453665/Was-Cheddar-man-white-all.html
ive only read a few snippets from the DM home page so i may have the quote wrong. but its funny that JH wants rconcililation with the fam after he throws more mud at them. he cracks me up!!
did O bother to ask about any of the lies they told from the last interview or was it just another whine-fest?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/daniela-elser-prince-williams-use-of-i-and-my-in-diana-statement-will-break-harrys-heart/2XEIMOHE65KQWIQ4W56BWCI4K4/?s=08
https://variety.com/2021/tv/reviews/prince-harry-oprah-the-me-you-cant-see-1234976810/
Charles should ask him privately if he would like to remove himself from the LoS since he's declared himself unfit and unwilling to reign. H would be in a bind.
I remember the Dodi Girlfriend tale well. I was on a shoot when it broke and it was all the models wanted to talk about because one had intersected with Dodi at some point.
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So, DM headlines about Harry whining that no one helped him and everyone neglected him and made him suffer etc. The way I want to slap his unwashed face with our own Nutty truth bombs is overwhelming. This multimillionaire brat, who had every advantage, a raft of friends, money, cars and planes at his disposal, who could travel to luxury spas and Elton John and Lake Como with the Clooneys, but he couldn’t get off his weak indulged arse to seek his own help, or help for his manipulative ludicrous “feminist” wife, is beyond laughable. They were photographed in and out of new age gift shops and baby showers an tennis matches, Vogue and SmartWorks, but expect us to believe they couldn’t book an appointment This middle-aged baby liar makes me sick.
Both my parents, both older, were quite ill by the time I was 16 (heart failure, stroke, Parkinson’s, small frontal brain tumor) and by 18 I was arranging medical care for them and dealing with their doctors and physical therapy teams and putting myself through school and working several jobs to meet their expenses while living lean myself. I didn’t stand around flapping my wee hands or sulking or finger pointing, I dug in and got them help they needed (while my older whining brother said he didn’t want the responsibility and concentrated on his high paying job, his sports cars, his boat, living large and having fun while also calling me complaining I wasn’t sending him money too. To their last day, he did nothing to help them. (Another reason I roll my eyes when people start saying Harry’s BS is because he is a youngest child - I know quite a few “youngest” kids shouldering the family burden and serious careers while the smug spoiled or useless oldest kids skip off. Harry’s issue is his very poor character, not his birth order. That’s my opinion and I have seen enough now to write it in ink.)
F**k straight off, Harry. You can find the ability for independent action only when you want to party, vacation, pursue women, or harm or piss on people, is that it? We see your game, just as we see your wife’s agenda. But do keep spilling so more of the world can see what you really are.
Reminds me of when Elvis was going off the deep end with drugs, so that he didn't even know where he was or what he was doing on stage, but there was no one close enough or resolute enough to intervene. There's a point of no return and H feels close to that now. There's not a single person in that entire continent with his true interests at heart. They're all thousands of miles away.
I still don't feel sorry for him though. His chickens are coming home to roost. (Very apt.)
I agree — they (SS, Oprah, MM) are having Harry roll out all this sputtering nonsense to try to eclipse the bullying investigation. MM has to keep their cash cow persona (world’s biggest victims in every arena — our lives are worse than anyone’s, now give us your hair and money) spinning.
I don’t know why they didn’t just name their foundation the Victimhood Enhancement Organization.
My sole connection to that inner BRF world has said for two months he has heard/been told through his club that theKr titles and styles will be gone. The only decision is how to wrap it.
That Harry and Archie are out of the line of succession is I think the most important thing. Even without titles they will blab on and on and put out more lurid “true stories” — they are their own ugly media group, essentially, while trying to stop free speech for others, of course. So nothing, not even a large settlement, will ever truly stop the flow of boring muck from their spastic volcanic belching mouths.
But as long as they are far far from the line to the throne and Montecito becomes Siberia, that will be best scenario for the BRF.
Well said — he is like a propped up drugged up ranting older Elvis.
Megs and Doria are probably his in-house “therapy team” egging him on. Wonder what in the magic diet they have him on.
How does all this rage and whining and circling grim angst square with his hoppy boppy animal-costumed BetterUp colleagues and their rainbow of fun and easy mental health Pajama Party thing? Seems like pretty poor advertising for them.
And my other thought: is Harry raging because the Dyson verdict and William are smashing his secret Netflix Diana show? Something more seems to be amiss in Harkleville.
Actual paparazzi in America may want a word with Harry about paps killing his mother. The Paparazzi Podcast discusses the Sussexes a few times and shut-down the narrative the paps are responsible for Diana's death. I'll list the episodes and time stamps if anyone is interested.
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I'm definitely interested, @ charade. I've followed the podcasters for quite a while now. It was they who clued me in to the fact that no one (paparazzo) wanted to be sued for any kind of contact with the S's, not worth it at any price. Hence, the hiring of their own by M. They have been subtlely snorting with laughter ever since.
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@ AnT, right with you on looking after parents when other siblings better placed could not be bothered. Whole new thread.
As if H would ever even imagine such a thing. He was so caring of his grandfather. ///heavy sarcasm
Is it just me that remembers that Dodi was being sued by his ex-fiance for dropping her to pursue Diana?
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No, it's s not just you, when I read this I remembered. And yes, his father engineered the whole thing.
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I had a look at the DM and there seem to be another few more articles after this morning. There is a particularly cringe making one about H in therapy, eyes closed, arms crossed with hands resting on his shoulders - in a way, slightly reminiscent of the witch's pose when she addressed her old school. And now, London is a trigger...
Prince Harry has bared his soul and allowed cameras to film him undergoing an 'extraordinary' therapy session, during which he received treatment for anxiety attacks he said are triggered every time he flies into Britain.
The Duke of Sussex closed his eyes and tapped his chest during 'eye movement desensitisation and reprocessing' (EMDr) treatment that he told viewers was to cope with the trauma of feeling 'hunted' while on UK soil.
Harry said in his new mental health documentary series with Oprah Winfrey that he has 'always felt worried' for most of his life when he flies back to London, but only became aware of this after doing therapy.
I must say I find it extremely embarrassing to read this. So much for privacy! This is not helping him at all, in fact he makes things worse every time he talks about his perceived problems, and is certainly not helping people with mental health issues.
Here are the photos:
H: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/05/21/09/43262557-9603585-image-m-50_1621584154345.jpg
The wife: https://images.app.goo.gl/KQTNw2xNuzPvrM1PA
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So ... H is "triggered" by cameras and the British press, and now just by visiting his own native country.
Oh ... kay ....
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I think next we will learn he is triggered by new clothes and new shoes, yah? And, by normal functioning adults. And, hm, Stilton & pasties!
Who else thinks one of the sources Lady C named was Lord Geidt? Meeeeee!!! I do.
Tatty!!! Thanks for taking one for the team, I can’t watch that dreck, you’ve been today’s MVP.
WOW the Daily Mail is a deluge of incessant Prince Harry “revelations,” he really laid a second egg on top of the first, this one seems worse, holy crap.
As a person with addiction issues, I find the term “substance use disorder” hilarious, like everybody does a little after-dinner cocaine but SOME people take it too far.
Second shout-out to Tatty for covering those episodes, I really appreciate the play-by-play. HA your write-up should be an article for everyone else who can’t be bothered. Dear god I cringe he makes himself sound so common. :(
JennS – indeed it appears the shit is hitting the fan.
@Lt. Nyota Uhura,
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I think next we will learn he is triggered by new clothes and new shoes, yah? And, by normal functioning adults. And, hm, Stilton & pasties!
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Hahaha! The trigger du jour! THAT will convince the plebs how long suffering he is, LOL
Prince William seems to get hotter by the week, a manly man. He will be an excellent king, I hope he remains in good health.
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HRH has proven himself time and again how fit he is for the Kingship, you are absolutely right.
You too? Fist bump, fellow care-taker! Yes, we are not alone, believe me! Personally, while it’s been a lot, especially at the beginning, I always felt it was like a different kind of grad school — made me grow up with a great understanding of responsibility, focus and enhanced my ingenuity really. It certainly felt worthwhile. Plus, I can multitask like a machine, lol! And the more work I did, freelance or full time, to meet their huge bills, the more great people I met, the more work flowed in and it all worked out as if I had an angel on my shoulder. These people are all a dear part of life my life to this day. I can’t imagine my life had I been whining limp rag like spoiled Hazza.
Between the sight of his bulging polished guns (biceps) during his vax, and his very strong speech on the Dyson/Bashir findings, I feel like William this week gave the world a glimpse of Monarchy 8.0. It’s going to be gooooood.
It also made Harry and his frau of terror look like the puny smut peddlers they are.
Lolz! No kidding, as soon as I wrote Stilton, I had to put cheeses on my shopping list! Grrrr.
My no 1 husband had an eye for a bargain - he saw a bottle of 500 aspirin that worked out at minimal cost per tablet - not that he ever had to take them and I used paracetamol. He stowed them in the kitchen cupboard, right at my eye level.
I felt so low there were times they seemed to be calling to me - `Swallow Me!' - just like Alice in Wonderland. I was so afraid I would do so, I asked him to hide them - I didn't want to know where they were. He angrily accused me of saying it just to upset him. His expression was quite frightening. I can't recall if he left the room or I did but he did move them later.
I still don't know what was going in that encounter - I left him as soon as I'd decided there really was no hope for the marriage. That was over 40 years ago.
Someone ending up dead in Montecito? Quite likely, I think. I wonder what the odds are for them doing each other in? He's undoubtedly stronger than her but he might have Doria to contend with as well. I wonder if their leather presents included a dog lead?
ZIGGY!!!! Omg I’m dying “And frankly, it's because of little bitches like Harry that I don't seek therapy.” DY-ING. I hear you.
“There is a particularly cringe making one about H in therapy, eyes closed, arms crossed with hands resting on his shoulders” yes I keep seeing this shoulder-tapping clip on Twitter, this exposure is so demeaning, as someone else said.
What do they say? Familiarity breeds contempt. This is what we are seeing in realtime with the public reaction. One of the reasons we can keep William on a pedestal is he maintains an aloofness and lack of (personal) availability to the public.
Oh my god I am laughing, Lt, — that is brilliant. Please let’s try to add that to the Nutty lexicon.
@Lt. Nyota Uhura,
You too? Fist bump, fellow care-taker! Yes, we are not alone, believe me! Personally, while it’s been a lot, especially at the beginning, I always felt it was like a different kind of grad school — made me grow up with a great understanding of responsibility, focus and enhanced my ingenuity really. It certainly felt worthwhile. Plus, I can multitask like a machine, lol! And the more work I did, freelance or full time, to meet their huge bills, the more great people I met, the more work flowed in and it all worked out as if I had an angel on my shoulder. These people are all a dear part of life my life to this day. I can’t imagine my life had I been whining limp rag like spoiled Hazza.
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Friend, I can't speak for you, but if I did NOT do what I did for my parents I would NOT be able to look myself in the mirror ... hard-hard-hard for so long, but made me so happy when they passed. Now my siblings won't speak to me. Big surprise, LOL
As for Harry? So much love shown to his grandparents. ///heavy sarcasm /// This used to p**s me off, but now I'm looking at a deeper thing here.
This all appears concocted and plotted, just like the letter scandal.
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Yep.
I don't believe any of the stuff he's saying. He was out there partying and having a jolly good time doing who knows what until met Mm.
And then she started rewriting history for him. If he was truly that bad off his father or brother would have taken action. Or someone would have in his circle.
There is no way he was that bad off prior to meeting Mm. Look at all the times we've seen him laughing and being happy in the company of PW and Catherine.
This is all just deliberately staged nonsense for him to spout.
The problem is that he honestly believes what he's saying, he seems to believe what she has poured into his head. As she sits back and laughs because her evil plan seems to be working.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3665458/Prince-Harry-s-second-father-Mark-Dyer-sits-pride-place-Sentebale-concert.html
Trigger du jour for Harry is "revisiting Britain."
What a f**** dink.
Harry said in his new mental health documentary series with Oprah Winfrey that he has 'always felt worried' for most of his life when he flies back to London, but only became aware of this after doing therapy.
That sounds very much like his "therapist" is manipulating him until the desired insight is reached.
This all appears concocted and plotted, just like the letter scandal.
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Yep.
I don't believe any of the stuff he's saying. He was out there partying and having a jolly good time doing who knows what until met Mm.
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Just look at him. He is stoned out of his mind.
https://www.change.org/p/the-public-invitation-to-prince-harry-to-request-the-queen-to-put-his-titles-into-abeyance
I tried the same once and they threaded a tube down my nose and filled me full of liquid charcoal (to neutralize the pills) and WOW my poops were BLACK the next couple days. At that point I was in the psych ward, fifteen was a rough age lol.
But do I go on TV and whine about it? No, I see it as a funny time that was character building. If I hadn't gone to the psych ward that week I wouldn't have realized the genuine difference between crazy people (closed ward) and troubled folks (open ward) which I've discussed here before.
As for EMDR, I am curious about it myself to resolve some issues that continue to trouble me but I guess I've put it on the back burner. I did try 3 sessions of hypno therapy (for a different issue) at $600 with no results and that was a learning experience.
Yes I'm fully aware EMDR is tooottttalllly different than hypno-therapy. For the record I did the hypno to try to stop a repetitive act (think nail-biting or trichotillomania) but like I said it didn't work.
What do you think he is stoned on?
Lt Uhura - you think he looks stoned out of his mind? You may be a better judge than me (many people are), when you say "stoned" do you specifically mean weed or do you encompass other substances (opiates, etc)?
What do you think he is stoned on?
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Not sure. I'm just an observer. But I have relatives who have had issues with meth, cocaine, etc.
Could be weed, I don't know. But the change in appearance between one year and the next is hard to ignore.
Harry's eyes. His demeanor. Versus years in public appearances beforehand.
Maneki Neko quoted from the Daily Mail:
Harry said in his new mental health documentary series with Oprah Winfrey that he has 'always felt worried' for most of his life when he flies back to London, but only became aware of this after doing therapy.
That sounds very much like his "therapist" is manipulating him until the desired insight is reached.
His first therapist was M. She was able to stage a one woman intervention on his dunce mind. Intervening for #6 against the BRF. Stooge #6 sounds on Apple (just from reading here) like a POW who is forced to confess xxx rot as a gun is pointed at him.. Also the UK version of DM has 3 or more articles on Hapless and his big "mental" day on Apple
He seems to be very tall for a just 2 year old but then maybe the climate in Monticeto makes children mature quickly lol
I’m with you, I couldn’t imagine not helping my parents - thought never crossed my mind. Sure it was hard and it impacted my life in some ways, but as I saw it, that was just then what my life journey was supposed to be. Panic moments early on but I got into a workable groove fast. It was what it was. Plus I had two cousins and a couple of friends in similar boats — as any of us traveled for work or had to be abroad for work, the others of us would step in to watch their parents or mine along with nurses or caregivers. We made it work and are a supportive “family team” to each other to this day, In each case the siblings who did/do nothing have also acted in a juvenile manner like yours and mine have done.
I can’t imagine having all the resources Harry had, and not taking positive action to help a spouse.
I also think of NYC $500:000 baby shower Megs, and I think I know their game.
The Grauniad still can't resist being cynical.
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@hunter
Ditto for paracetamol, death can take a very long time that way. I'm known two women who lost their sons that way - both mothers utterly broken.
A colleague once said he'd decided that when everything got too much, he'd take his sleeping bag, Scotch and sleeping tablets and head up Snowdon on a cold night.
I agreed that this was probably the most comfortable, tidy, way but then exclaimed `Hell! If I could still get up a mountain, life's still worth living!'
The bathroom issues were kind of the bottom, not to make a pun, but I figured they did it for me when I was an infant :)
Harry? M? I can't imagine either of them doing anything for anyone, not only themselves. The child? Nah. Someone else.
You know ......... I'm beginning to get a little sick about this whole thing.
Fri, 21 May 2021, 10:08 am
The Duke of Sussex has accused the royal family of “total neglect” in his mental health documentary series with Oprah Winfrey and said he will not be bullied.
How does ignoring someone constitute bullying?
Guns are definitely the worst WORST way to go out and leaves a massive trauma for whomever comes upon the scene, super inconsiderate and terrible terrible consequences if it doesn't work.
I didn't know the Tylenol could really be fatal that badly, yikes. I am sad for those women you know - their sons OD'd and died from this? How long did it take for them to pass after their OD? I thought it would become a lifetime condition (damaged liver) but I guess I'm wrong?
I think this is in reference to any pending fall-out from airing these statements.
In the Morton book, Diana said Charles hired therapists to treat her, but Diana admits she was suspicious of them and rejected their help. She spent the rest of the book complaining how Charles and the Windsors never helped her. Harry says his family told him to get help (and maybe Harry acknowledged getting therapy in the Diana death interview with William, I can’t remember) but he rejected the idea, and has now done interviews complaining that his family didn’t help him.
Diana later said the Morton book was a cry for help, and she hoped Charles would read it, understand how badly he’d treated her, and come running back to her to make amends. Basically she hoped that after abusing him and his family in public that he would fall back in love with her. Diana really was deluded. Harry said pretty much the same thing. He hoped the Oprah interview would pave the way for talks and a renewed relationship with the Windsors.
And the Meghan’s mimicking of Diana goes on. This looks like first rate manipulation.
Diana threw herself down the stairs when pregnant with William in front of the Queen Mother. Lady C in her book The Real Diana says this was an exaggeration, Diana tripped, and made it into something bigger, like the passing a lemon slicer over her arms story. Meg claims to have been suicidal while pregnant with Archie.
Diana was chased by paparazzi (fact). Meghan is chased by the paparazzi and claims multiple break-ins (no evidence of paparazzi, police called for break-ins, but no charges/arrests are made.)
Harry claims Diana was derided for dating a non-white. Not true, the problem was that he was Muslim. (The Muslim world seemed to think she was killed because the “establishment” wouldn’t let a future king have a Muslim father in law.) Harry and Meghan have claimed racist attacks on Meghan from the beginning.
Diana followed the 90’s new-age/California trends of visiting astrologers, using healing crystals, and getting colonics to cure what ails you. Harry, married to a Californian and living in California, seems to be invested in the current trend of obsessive self analysis and public emotional purging.
Now Harry seems to think Meghan’s life is in danger. Harry sounds just as paranoid and deluded as Diana, and Meghan seems to be encouraging all of this. “I didn’t know how trapped I was until I met Meghan” is the crucial quote in my opinion.
I’m reminded of a Holocaust survivor’s testimony, which I searched for briefly but couldn’t find, so I will badly paraphrase. The survivor said people often asked if he/she received therapy to deal with their trauma. The survivor said no, and didn’t know anyone who had. It wasn’t a “thing” in those days, like it is now. You just put your head down and worked on rebuilding your life, because you had to.
I wonder if Harry has been diagnosed with Diana’s mental illness (suspected Borderline personality disorder) or any other, because he seems to have a very distorted view of his family, his childhood, and his place in the world. Therapy is supposed to give you the tools to handle your thoughts and reactions to life’s troubles, yet Harry seems more miserable now than ever. Whatever he is doing, it doesn’t seem to be working, and these interviews, which only benefit Oprah and her networks, are only making things worse for him in the long run.
Harry is either brainwashed thoroughly by the MM-Doria psychology team, or he is a little sh*t actor lying for money and sympathy. I could be convinced either way. Substances could be involved too.
I tend to think as a spoiled brat, he is “triggered” by the U.K. because he knows the public sees through him and Megs. And he can’t cope with not being the spoiled pitied indulged overgrown baby prince.
Mommy Megs and Granny Doris encourage him to remain the sulky teen drinking in his bedroom, perhaps. What ending do these two practiced female grifters have planned for the pesky prince? Especially now as their plans have likely cost them tikes and Royal wealth access?
How did he manage to clearly happily play polo then? He played polo for years afterwards.
And marched in parades/ceremonies with horses.
Someone is filling his head with nonsense. I wouldn't want him around my little ones if he's that easily maneuvered into crazy thinking.
I can see why the Cambridges didn't want him around their family.
There's not much left to be said from H or MM. They pushed the self destruct button with the OW interview and this new mental health docuseries ends with a great big Period at the end of the series.
Nothing left to say, nothing more to sell, and most importantly nearly no one will be listening anymore. Hope they enjoyed the quick rise and fall of their popularity in the spotlight.
As much as I've been along for the ride of watching these two destroy themselves, it's become a bit tedious and redundant now. There's nothing more to exploit or tease the public about.
MM must have memorized all information about Diana and has since acted it out to Harry. He is a really sick man, she knew, and took advantage of it for her own purposes. She is the kind of person that sucks the air out of a room and I'm tired of her breathing the same air as I breathe. Good riddance.
@Lt Nyota Uhura,
Harry is either brainwashed thoroughly by the MM-Doria psychology team, or he is a little sh*t actor lying for money and sympathy. I could be convinced either way. Substances could be involved too.
I tend to think as a spoiled brat, he is “triggered” by the U.K. because he knows the public sees through him and Megs. And he can’t cope with not being the spoiled pitied indulged overgrown baby prince.
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If he is brainwashed, it's because he wanted to be, IMO.
Somehow, he has become an anti-Royal, for whatever reason.
He is a lost soul, IMO, drifting into whatever curls people want him in.
That doesn't excuse him from the inexcusable places he is in because of his position.
Far from it.
@Lt Nyota Uhura,
I tend to think as a spoiled brat, he is “triggered” by the U.K. because he knows the public sees through him and Megs. And he can’t cope with not being the spoiled pitied indulged overgrown baby prince.
Mommy Megs and Granny Doris encourage him to remain the sulky teen drinking in his bedroom, perhaps. What ending do these two practiced female grifters have planned for the pesky prince? Especially now as their plans have likely cost them tikes and Royal wealth access?
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Ding-ding-ding!
I agree.
Indeed.
Ever known a person for half their lifetimes who suddenly decide they want to use an issue from their past to explain everything in their present? And because you've known them for so long you're like "...ehhhh...." because you saw it go down and you don't really see it that way and they've never really mentioned it before?
Harry reminds me of those people.
Harry doesn't know that Arabs are Caucasians, as are pasty Europeans.
This👆. Mr. PC is proud to be descended from the ancient Phoenicians. They do
consider themselves Caucasians, although now fall into the category under USME.
@Lt Nyota Uhura,
I agree.
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High fives :)
Ralph said,
Harry doesn't know that Arabs are Caucasians, as are pasty Europeans.
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So who owes reparations to whom?
Truth - anything they want to make up and say to media for money
Money - what they get for endlessly selling their lies and faces to media, and hide in tax-free foundations
Media - the evil that must be destroyed unless it partners with SS and acts as an artery of money
Bullying - when anyone points out their truth is a lie, their money is dirty, and they are living entirely off media
Thank you for posting the link to Daniela Esler's excellent article.
Perhaps the plan is Widow Princess Megs and Markus and Doria live secretly on whatever money H leaves and her continued fibbing, raising the rental kids with holiday snaps, while she establishes a sort of Courtney Love act. She won’t be able to pull off a Luz Hurley thing.
The headlines today left me feeling the need to visit The Nutties for some sane opinions.
I think between us all we can come up with a very long list of all the lies H & M have come out with.
The constant chopping and changing of stories is getting beyond a joke.
Each time they open theirs mouths we have a new version.
They really do think we are all as stupid as they are.
The Harkles seem to subscribe to the “if we can make them believe X, we can make them believe Y and move on to Z” theory of grifting,
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Ralph said,
Harry doesn't know that Arabs are Caucasians, as are pasty Europeans.
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So who owes reparations to whom?
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I would personally like reparations for myself for having tolled away for the feudal Lords of GB for centuries with most of my ancestors dying in their 30's after working in the fields all day with nothing to eat but 9 day old porridge. Isn't there a poem about that? Lol.
My housekeeper is here with her teenage daughter, so I’m pausing a lot because I’m not sure I want her daughter to have to hear some of this stuff.
As for Harry, it doesn’t surprise me that a lot of this is coming out right now, he is, after all the same age his mother was when she died. He also has known about the Panorama investigation, etc. It seems for him, a lot of this might be like a pimple coming to a head.
As for the suicide discussions, I interpreted it as she was describing intrusive thoughts. For me, I don’t doubt that an outsider joining the firm would feel isolated and stressed/depressed. So many women have described it. I’m thinking of Princess Grace right now.
I understand why people here think differently... just wanted to acknowledge that. And as I have mentioned before, my mentally ill sibling is married to a mentally ill person and they have children and have been married for over 10 years now, even though our side and his side believe they are awful together and better off divorced, but that will never happen. It’s a crazy marriage with crazy actions going on inside of the marriage and with police called and involuntary commitments and CPS called and there is no end in sight for this marriage, so no I don’t think HAMS is headed for divorce any time soon no matter what the rumors are.
I had a very close loved one take their life I guess I can still say “recently” so suicide is still very triggering for me. We had to look for them. I developed PTSD. My husband has an uncontrollable stress gag now that happens on occasion that stems from this.
It’s kind of what happened to me— when I became the age that my parents were or my kids became the age I was when I would remember certain unresolved issues..... that is when I had to go to therapy.
As an aside, @jenns, have you put in your facts that MM was born in 1981? I agree since the database is online that we can stop talking about how old she is.
I didn't complete my thought when i posted about it upthread, so here is the rest of it....
Like everyone else i haven't watched the current no 6's PR Tsunami, but i caught the snippet about his narrative that the press went after him and his wife because she wasn't white just as the press went after Diana because she was datinb the non-white Dodi.
He seems to think or have been convinced that Dodi was either the love of Diana's life or at the very least a great love.
And that the press went after them for racist reasons.
It triggered the Kelly Fisher memory in my head because it wasn't just her presence and objection to entire thing, it was also the revelation that the Fayeds saw Diana as a trophy to be hunted and pursued her accordingly.
Diana was equally unmoved by any great emotion for Dodi beyond the great summer fling she was having with him. Her bestie Rosa Monkton and Richard Kay revealed how she laughed at them and mocked their gauche, nouveau riche tastes and ostentation and had reassured them repeatedly that it was just a fling and she was enjoying the attention.
Not to mention the various paps she kept tipping off to show herself throughout the summer.
Remember the boatload of paps she approached and promised a surprised revelation just before she openly canoodled with Dodi in a boat infront of them and then complained directly to some of them that the photos were too grainy??
This extract from Tina Brown's biography sums up the situation that the no 6s are willfully rewriting
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail-weekend-magazine/20070609/281505041797445
Poor No 6 thinks Dodi was his mother's great love and pursued accordingly.
Clearly the Hasnat Khan story doesn't suit his victim narrative or he doesn't know about it and his wife hasn't told him. .
How i wish Richard Kay would go on GMA and give an interview specifically to Gayle King and tell the no 6s about Hasnat Khan and the fact that Dodi was barely a footnote in Diana's life.
Now it sounds disjointed. Uugh, can’t edit. Oh well.
Further, it’s plainly obvious now that Meghan has convinced Harry that if she dies by suicide or media murder or a car crash (or whatever it is Harry is triggered by), then his ‘kids’ will grow up to be as miserable and pained as he is.
Of course, my husband says ‘sure but look at his brother. He’s the future king of England and not running around paranoid about Kate.’ Touché.
Whatever the case with Crazy Harry, Meghan -to give her credit- has realized the way to control Harry is to make everything all about him where he is the hero and #1. Not her, not her kids. She is just the supporting role in Harry’s grandiose thinking. By acting this out, Meghan gets what she wants - fame and financial security. The smirk he has when he exclaims Meghan didn’t off herself because of him turned my stomach. He *thinks* he has power over her, he *thinks* the narrative is real, he *thinks* she loves him more than her own life. Incredible.
What does it say, though, that this privileged newly married couple cannot cope and don’t like their jobs? It’s incredulous that at 40ish we are hearing a Romeo and Juliet teen saga, still.
It’s very clear with Harry that no one is home upstairs. Meghan is trying to make money off the victim narrative. They will have ghost child #2 then perfect family ‘happy days’ will be presented. We survived- you can too! Snake oil. And the show continues.
Here's part of a poem by James Fenton that just has to be read today:
[...] Let's go over it all again
Let's rake over the dirt.
Let me pick that scab of yours.
Does it hurt?
Let's go over what went wrong -
How and why and when.
Let's go over what went wrong
Again and again.
We hurt each other badly once.
We said a lot of nasty stuff.
But lately I've been thinking how
I didn't hurt you enough.
Maybe there's more where that came from.
Something more malign.
Let me damage you again.
For the sake of auld lang syne.
Let me see you bleed again.
For the sake of auld lang syne.
They're both very sick.
I’m beginning to think he is too far gone in all of this. It will end in divorce (and the Mrs will ghost him so fast he will then need real therapy) or in widowhood and she would want the widow funeral images. She’s probably already has the dress picked out. I think she has manipulated him and he was willing prey. I am sure there were tons of interventions by the BRF particularly at the sandrigham summit but alas they can’t do much about it until he is willing to get help. I don’t trust the Hollywood therapist types. They see victims I mean patients with tons of money (hmmm is the Mrs getting a cut) so their mental health insurance won’t run out. And someone mentioned opioids. Hollywood therapists are notorious for feeding pills to their patients. If I’m right the BRF should swoop in with a mossad like operation scurry him away to an inpatient facility. Like his mummy I just don’t think he is long for his world.
"He needs some serious deprogramming. I get the feeling he is going to blame them for her death, heck, he already is in this first episode. These must be the "bombs" that were threatened? I see her fingerprints all over this, ripping that scab off time and time again, twisting and twisting, whispering into his ear "They killed your mother","They did it because she was dating someone of another race", "They're racist", "They hate me and they hate you because they're racist","They're going to do the same thing to me that they did to her, and drive me to suicide, because I'm black", "We must get away from them", etc etc, over and over and over. It's like a flipping cult-the mental manipulation, building emotional dependency, and isolation, not to mention the financial part of it. I think he was always a schmuck, but damn, she's really gotten into his head. But, maybe I'm wrong."
MM has everything to gain by doing this. It feels like she is driving him closer and closer to the edge while simultaneously cleaning him out, and he's been brainwashed and happily going along with it. Use him until you can't get anything more out of it and then discard. He's such a dupe.
@Puds, you are right-Everyone around him is profiting off of him all the while he's sitting there thinking it's all about him and he's some kind of saviour to humanity for baring his soul and taking out his family. Epic textbook case of manipulation-can't believe what I'm seeing, like a runaway train, as it just keeps going. I keep trying to think of movies or mystery episodes(Poirot, Miss Marple, Morse, etc) with similar storylines because it sure feels like I've seen this all before...and it didn't have a happy ending.
I used to be on a suicide prevention line and we heard the real thing. I was there for quite some time (think years). There is a tone of voice, intensity, even when they don't have plan, that pulls the call into "this one is real". And, we got calls from people who were playing games. It was like they were reading a script of how they thought they should say but it lacked something in the telling when you were talking with them.
To me, this story has the sound of another not nailing it acting job.
It isn't just the overall tone but the whole other things which people have brought out as well like that she had access to doctors for her visits (pregnancy but even just in general). She could have asked to go to see someone as she had a sore throat and asked for help. The security people are not going to be in room with her when she was with her doctors for privacy reasons. She had options before asking him to get help for her. And, with his history (Head's Up for starters), he had names and phone numbers to call. (the snarky in me says: gosh, did they take his phone away too?). I can't imagine that where ever they were that there were no land lines.
And friends she could call and ask for help. Or even call on USA friends when she was at the baby shower - hey, she's far from the palace and they weren't the security there, right?
And, given that there wasn't a daily phone calls to all the different family members all the time (meaning that people were not physically isolating them from the public), he could have arranged seeing doctors and who would have known?
We also would get calls from the significant other - She says that IF I don't come back, she'll commit suicide. We would be giving them some information to tell the SO but also that ultimately, it is up the person - that if they are going to take their life, they will and that there are no magic words that if only you had said this or done that, poof, it would have happened.
I remember the Kelly Fisher story, and the rest. Diana was using Dodi and the media to make Hasnat Khan jealous. Dr. Khan had broken off their relationship to marry a Muslim woman from his community. Diana had these deluded visions of her and Dr. Khan being roaming ambassadors to the world, helping people wherever they are needed (sound familiar?) It was a ridiculous idea. He was a heart surgeon. He wasn’t going to quit the job he studied and worked hard for just to follow her around the world and take pictures with needy people.
Muhammad alFayed created the story of Diana and Dodi as a great romance, because it hid his failures as a parent and any liability for having provided an inferior car and a drunk driver for their disastrous evening. The press ate it up because it was an easy story to sell, the Princess finally found her Prince Charming (he was a spoiled coke-head who bounced from project to project, living off daddy’s money with no direction in his life, who had a fiancé waiting in another boat). And no one wants to tell a negative story about a dead person, let alone a popular dead person, let alone a popular dead former Princess. But the truth was Diana was floundering at the time of her death. She had no direction in her life, and with no job or skills and being used to living the good life, she was only suitable to remarry to a wealthy man and do charity work. The divorce settlement money wasn’t enough to carry her through life at the standard she was used to. And being such a visible public figure was a turn off to many wealthy men who seek privacy and discretion, leaving the ones who would use her for her fame.
Most definitely! It was the first and only person I thought of. ;o)
I was thinking about the claim that he was told by his father about suffering.
I have had some experiences and was told later by someone who was there that X was said and I'm like: no. That was not said at all.
People don't always remember things correctly.
And context.
Remember the uproar of the color of the baby skin comment and it could have been said several different ways depending on context? Same thing. There is a world of difference between having You will suffer like I suffered at your age screamed at you in full anger and a conversational trying to tell a kid that in your life, no matter the age, there is some suffering and pain going to happen and that is reality.
Also, Harry was talking about the incident happening just prior to the Royal Albert Hall appearance. Hey dipsh*t, the reason Meghan was all upset and crying and you were angry is because you two were BOOED at the appearance. I'm finished with Harry. I wouldn't step over him in the street. I know that's rough, but there it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pINa7ExNjKA
I think not only is H seriously brainwashed but I wonder if the witch drugs him? I said upthread she had performed non surgical lobotomy but I wasn't joking. And I had a horrifying thought: do you think the witch is pushing him to commit suicide? It doesn't bear thinking about but nothing is impossible.
They're both very sick.
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I definitely think she's setting him up to jump off the ledge.
Setting herself up to be a widow.
He needs an intervention, but it probably wouldn't work because he's not ready to hear it yet.
This was all fun and games to her. But it's time for the fun and games to stop now. This isn't funny anymore.
I think we all need mental help now LOL!
BTW King Alf's is now the University of Winchester.
I definitely think she's setting him up to jump off the ledge.
Setting herself up to be a widow.
He needs an intervention, but it probably wouldn't work because he's not ready to hear it yet.
This was all fun and games to her. But it's time for the fun and games to stop now. This isn't funny anymore.
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One thousand percent agree. This is not going to end well and it's scary. I had a terrible feeling about this duo, but it was earlier in the week and I wrote how I felt on the previous page.
A person in therapy should be helped into identifying a issue and work on that issue. But coming to an acceptance should be the end result. Harry talking about triggers to past events which is not healthy. Horse hooves, flash bulbs, etc., can not be explained if a person has come to acceptance.
I'm sure we all understand grieving a loss, it's part of the human experience, but 24 years later and it's still impacting a person's life, means, they haven't traveled down the path of therapy to it's final conclusion and hasn't been helped.
I truly believe MM is pushing and pushing until he finally falls off a cliff, something terrible will happen and it will become a self fulfilling prophecy.
Neither of them are responsible for the others’ well being, happiness or sadness. That isn’t a thing. They are not children, and even children who grow properly learn to have autonomy and be emotionally self sufficient because their parents guide them with a steady hand.
Notice how they never ever say ‘Meghan made me unhappy, or Harry made me unhappy.’ ‘I wanted to move and Harry said no, and it made me angry.’ ‘I didn’t want to go to the gala and Harry said no we have too and it made me angry and suicidal.’ The RF Biz, gave them the perfect excuse and ‘out’ rather than placing the blame where it lies - between the toxicity of the both of them. They still act like the RF is their big bad evil parent, like toddlers. Meghan couldn’t control Harry when their jobs were controlled by a greater institution or biz. Now Harry can’t control himself because his job is at the hands of exploiter #1- Oprah. Same exact thing. The result will be different because Oprah is not his family.
It's hideous - they pull his strings and he twitches.
Never ever asks himself `What's really going on here?'
He's passed that point a long time back. Perhaps he asked the question of Markle and got the answer that suited her.
An honest therapist will `discharge' you in good time when you've reached a point of awareness, once they can remove your `training wheels' as it were. Otherwise you risk getting into dependency relationship with them.
@Lt. Nyota Uhura,
Perhaps the plan is Widow Princess Megs and Markus and Doria live secretly on whatever money H leaves and her continued fibbing, raising the rental kids with holiday snaps, while she establishes a sort of Courtney Love act. She won’t be able to pull off a Luz Hurley thing.
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Your view actually sounds more plausible than anything I could make up!
I agree with every word of what you wrote about H. Deprogramming is
the word - I've used it before too - and as @Snarkyatherbest said, "the BRF should swoop in with a mossad like operation scurry him away to an inpatient facility". I think the SAS would be equal to the task too. Perhaps a facility like Guantanamo for deprogramming would work.
I’m trying to follow the suicide narrative. She woke up in the middle of the night, anxious and distraught. Said she couldn’t take it anymore and wanted to kill herself. Described details of her plan. She says she doesn’t want to be another woman who leaves him by following through on her plan. They talk. Hours pass. That evening she zips on sequins and heels up and off they go to be photographed for an appearance, where they were booed.
So, that’s 24 hours of suicidal ideation.
Was that it? Just one anxious night, and let’s not forget unpredictable pregnancy hormones (if those were in fact coursing through her, who knows?).
When in this narrative was she storming off to HR? Same day? Before this pivotal moment? After?
She’s so smart but can’t ask her husband to make a phone call? Even to her midwife or doctor? Emergency same day appointment? Phone consult with Rx phoned in to pharmacy? How can someone so conniving and methodical in her research be so inept?
A friend’s teenager is ricocheting back and forth from stability to instability, a lot of self hate, insecurity, verbal statements about hurting herself. This has been the case for more than a year, at least two visits to the psych ER and one week-long stay, plus six weeks at a program to try to stabilize with meds.
The point being — these types of thoughts don’t just leave in your head when you’re truly being weighed down by anxiety and/or depression. They fester. They grow like mildew in the shower. They are always there.
I think she said that ONCE that one night and he is so raw and vulnerable that it did the trick of supporting her claims about the situation in the Royal Family being untenable, etc. because no one ever gave her everything she wanted and that was not acceptable.
So, yeah, I call BS on her anguish since that kind of distress is usually not a one-off.
I'll tell ya, if a friend or let alone your lover who was heavily pregnant came to you and methodically told you that they wanted to kill themselves and exactly how they were going to do it......... are you trying to feed me that you would just give them a pat on the shoulders, think they are not acting crazy, but totally 'sober' and just work it out and then go to Royal Albert Hall the next day??? Come on. Harry could have at the bare minimum called Meghan's obstetrician. It's not like the dullard had no idea what to do and later was ashamed at his response.
Frankly, I would have been highly concerned on multiple levels and one of them being anger. In my opinion, it's like threatening to kill a baby. Will Harry ever take another look at this woman? At this point she could shoot up a mall and he'd blame it on Charles.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15023403/prince-harry-archie-first-words-grandma-diana-meghan-markle/
@JennS, try this:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15023403/prince-harry-archie-first-words-grandma-diana-meghan-markle/
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How quaint, LOL
We all know A**chie's first words were: "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings."
H also needs to be committed. Now he's saying that among Archie's first words were "Grandma Diana." Archie was speaking five syllables as his first words? Also, what happened to "crocodile?" Not enough syllables for Master Archie?
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I need to vent. After reading the DM this morning, with articles about all of the people on the Oprah interview, including Oprah's rape saga, Glenn Close discussing her childhood trauma, Harry spouting off about his mother's death yet again, and Lady GaGa getting into the act, now I'm depressed, too.
I've never had depression, but after reading all of these tales of woe, my mood is in the dumpster today. I can imagine how people with real depression must feel today after reading about these stars spouting off about "their truth."
I think this Oprah gabfest is doing more harm than good. I wonder how many people feel less emotionally healthy today, after listening to these stories or reading about them.
Oprah, Harry and MM are playing with fire here. They have no background in psychology, yet preach to the masses. I wonder when, not if, a truly depressed person will take their life because of the head games this trio is playing.
Note: I have extreme sympathy for any woman (or man) who has been physically or mentally abused, and hope that they can find the help that they need to recover from their trauma. However, I don't want to listen to a bunch of wealthy stars telling their very personal stories in public. It reeks of self promotion. Do we need to know absolutely everything about these stars? Is nothing sacred or private anymore? What good comes from telling the world about your childhood trauma, except for getting air time and a few clicks.
I wish all of these people would just shut up. It's gone beyond being annoying and into extremely dangerous territory.
Rant over. Thank you for listening.
"We all know A**chie's first words were: "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings."
Thanks for the laugh! Next will be that for Christmas, Archie has memorized War and Peace for Harry, because, you know, H was the greatest soldier of all time.
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Did she say anything at all about actually planning her own end? How she thought of doing it?
A reminder from Dorothy Parker might be appropriate -
Razors pain you;
Rivers are damp;
Acids stain you;
And drugs cause cramp.
Guns aren't lawful;
Nooses give;
Gas smells awful;
You might as well live.
If she did say it, I bet it was just for effect. Narcissists drive others to suicide but don't go there themselves.
I think the BRF must have placed a call to somebody, the coverage has dramatically reduced in just four hours, I don't see a single story "above the fold" so to speak.
Only to discover it's Anna Sewell's book, `translated from the Equine'?
@Lt, Uhura,
"We all know A**chie's first words were: "The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings."
Thanks for the laugh! Next will be that for Christmas, Archie has memorized War and Peace for Harry, because, you know, H was the greatest soldier of all time.
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HAhahahahaha!
Nice one 🤣
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9600731/Teenager-cashed-200-000-200-teaching-invest-stocks.html
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By LATOYA GAYLE FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 11:02 EDT, 21 May 2021
Daniela Elser: Key Princess Diana detail Prince Harry is ignoring after Panorama investigation findings
21 May, 2021 06:00 PM6 minutes to read
Prince William has responded to report that found that a BBC journalist used 'deceitful behavior' to secure an explosive interview with Princess Diana in 1995.@KensingtonRoyal
news.com.au
By: Daniela Elser
OPINION:
How old were you when you realised that your parents were people? Fallible, imperfect people?
That's a question which Prince William may well have a ready response to – but his younger brother Prince Harry might struggle to answer.
Yesterday both men – who are both fathers now too – have put out deeply moving, separate statements reacting to the Dyson inquiry findings that BBC reporter Martin Bashir had used "deceitful behaviour" to persuade their mother Diana, Princess of Wales to take part in the infamous 1995 Panorama interview.
The differences between the two princes' approaches could not be more pronounced or disparate. Sure, there's their use of language (William's "my" and "I" versus Harry's "we") and the format (an emotional video versus a press release) but what is most interesting here is the question of blame.
Or more specifically, how much culpability rests with the fourth estate?
While William called out the BBC, becoming the first member of the royal family to have ever taken aim at the national broadcaster in this fashion, he also made the point that "a free press have never been more important."
However, to Harry's mind, there is a very clear villain in this decades-long tragedy – the media. In his statement, the now California-based royal claimed the "ripple effect of a culture of exploitation and unethical practices ultimately took her life" and that "Our mother lost her life because of this, and nothing has changed."
And this is where we get to the very, very tricky point, because his is now the lone dissenting royal voice on the question of where fault lies for Diana's death.
The instinct to want to be able to clearly apportion blame is entirely understandable; deeply human even. The facts, however, paint a different picture.
https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2021/05/blind-item-1_21.html
Blind Item #1
The A list celebrity you either love or hate, and really you should hate, is doing her best to get a photo op of a double date with the alliterate one. The whole plan is to have the double date and then have a cry fest in Kneepads because the alliterate one is pregnant and having a baby and the firebrand celebrity lost her baby, so then we will feel sorry for her and she can go back to playing the victim.
Guesses are Chrissy Teigen & MM
Privacy doesn't mean silence - per Oprah
Thanks for the good news story. All of us need a laugh or just uplifting news now and then.
Oh, and I forgot to say in my rant that we've got a great community here, and listening to the troubles of posters here is completely different than these stars going on TV to air their woes. As internet friends, we've held each other up when we're down in the dumps or going through a crisis, and that is so rare these days.
Daniela Elser: Prince William's use of 'I' and 'my' in Diana statement will break Harry's heart
21 May, 2021 04:35 AM6 minutes to read
Part1
Prince William has responded to report that found that a BBC journalist used 'deceitful behavior' to secure an explosive interview with Princess Diana in 1995.
By: Daniela Elser
OPINION:
Devastating on-camera appearances have been part and parcel of palace life for decades now. Prince Charles started this dubious trend in 1994 when he admitted to Jonathan Dimbleby he had cheated on wife Diana, Princess of Wales, who infamously followed in his bespoke-shod stead the following year with her "three of us in the marriage" BBC outpouring.
In March, it was their son Prince Harry's turn – although really he was the second-string act to wife Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex's scene-stealing turn.
However, now Prince William has joined their number having released a deeply emotional and devastating video addressing the findings of the BBC inquiry into his mother's Panorama appearance.
Overnight, the findings of an inquiry conducted by Lord Dyson into the Panorama interview were released, finding that journalist Martin Bashir had used "deceitful behaviour" to get the Princess to agree to the extraordinary sit-down interview. (Bashir used a graphic designer to unwittingly mock up fake bank statements which purported to prove to Diana's brother, Earl Spencer, and later Diana herself, that people close to the royal were being paid by the security services and the media.)
The rift between Harry and William can only widen from here.
While Prince Harry put out a statement movingly describing her as an "incredible woman" who "was resilient, brave and unquestionably honest", William has just blown the world's socks off.
Reading from papers in his hand, the chosen backdrop some nondescript palace exterior, barely contained emotion rippling below the surface, the 38-year-old delivered a searing, historic statement to camera saying that her Panorama interview "was a major contribution to making my parents' relationship worse and has since hurt countless others".
He said: "The BBC's failures contributed significantly to her fear, paranoia and isolation that I remember from those final years with her."
He also said that Diana had been "failed" by the national broadcaster.
"These failings … not only let my mother down, and my family down; they let the public down too."
Make no mistake here: The world just watched William step up and assume total moral and public leadership of the royal family from a public perspective.
And Harry? Oh poor Harry has been left trailing in his wake.
The fact that William chose to do a video is remarkable. While he has delivered statements supporting his various causes straight down the barrel, this is the first time that any member of the royal house has delivered a reaction of this nature to camera. (The Queen's televised addresses notwithstanding nor Charles' recent touching statement after the death of his father, Prince Philip.)
Another marked departure from the royal playbooks is the simmering emotion on clear show here. What stiff upper lip?
While Harry and Meghan have cast the royal family as a clutch of essentially cold fish, William has just gone a way to make that characterisation seem a tad redundant.
When he started therapy because (they argued) so they were together seems to keep changing. It was four years (made me think about the whole when did they start seeing each other moveable date) and this now ways five. "... done therapy now for 'four and a bit, five years.'"
2017 to 2021 is 4 tops.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9603803/Harrys-long-road-therapy.html
In choosing to go down this route, rather than only putting out a strongly worded written missive, William was sending a clear message: That he has no intention of hewing to the status quo and will act how he thinks best. (This calls to mind the fact he was the only member of the house of Windsor to address the Sussexes' racism claims when asked directly by the press, offering up a forceful "We're very much not a racist family.")
One of the most conspicuous differences between William and Harry's reactions lies in their respective language choices. The elder Wales prince used "my mother," "my view" and "I" while the younger's crucially deployed "our mother". Those two words from William – "I" and "my" – are so telling.
Not once in his piece to camera does William mention Harry, even in the most oblique terms. There is no equivocation here: The Duke of Cambridge has just effectively excised his younger, wayward sibling from the narrative.
Given the consideration and time that goes into every single detail (heck, the choice of William's insipid blazer for the video probably involved several brow-furrowing, lengthy meetings) this very conscious expunging of Harry was no oversight.
If there was any doubt over who has just been "crowned", by Fleet Street anyway, in the Cambridge vs Sussex fracas then look no further.
A winner has been anointed with William and his powerful video dominating at least three of Friday's frontages in the UK with Harry essentially ignored in the maelstrom.
The word that comes to mind today is "irrelevance". Harry left the UK to escape his elder brother's shadow, to strike out on his own. However, the irony here is that in that quest to define himself and forge his own independent identity, he seems to have given William the breathing room to assert himself in a completely new – and let's be honest, thrilling – way.
Despite both men putting out statements as loving, devoted sons who lost a cherished mother, Harry's words have somehow ended up as only a footnote to William's outpouring.
What is also noteworthy here is the paradigm shift around Diana's memory.
Me: Wow!
wish i could copy & paste. A photo of H in Afhgnistan with a group of soldiers and one posted with it
Oh F off the pair of you - I served with you in Afghanistan Harry, you were entitled and rude then, but no one dared say it. Why don't you do the world a favor and do one - the unsuccessful heir to the spare and the unsuccessful actress. Seems you have a lot in common.
Narcs DO NOT kill themselves. They sip others pain and delight when they harm someone. The victims of Narcs kill themselves or often want to. Then the Narc moves on to another supply without one care from all the damage done in their wake.
One word encapsulates this, is (emotional) vampire. This why is there are so many of these stupid Vampire movies that I never watch. Maybe one in the 1980s.
But lets admit how vampirism is going on all the time. #6WF is a Vampire, sucking those heavenly Royal juices out of dumb #6.If only she could be sent to The Tower as in the upcoming Anne Boleyn production.
What is the point of this?
We are only seeing this guy because of his money. Remember that.
I'm sure somebody's must have already said that there's no way `Swing Boy' has only just turned 2?
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I don't think I've seen any mention of it but that's exactly what I thought. The child looks more like 3 at least. Let's not forget, though, that Archie is a precocious child and must also be in the 95th percentile for height.
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@hunter said
Very odd - this morning (Friday) when I got up the DM was PLASTERED (plastered!!) with Prince Harry Whinging stories and I just checked - I don't see a one.
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@hunter, I've just looked at the DM online and on the app and all the stories are there. Maybe there was a glitch.
I think that hunter was saying that the stories were at the top of the page this morning, and now they are near the bottom, not that they had disappeared. Her comment that the stories were no longer "above the fold" explains that.
But the stories are still at the top now! (22.45 pm UK time)
This is worth a read https://unherd.com/2021/05/who-destroyed-prince-harry/
"..... people, especially the young, seek validation from the most influential and powerful in society, not from the wisest, or those with their best interests at heart."
Very excellent share. Thanks, Blue Dragon.
Perhaps the point is that the pandemic made us see how unimportant celebs are in the scheme of things
But that’s bad for business! So the O fest is to turn the rich celebs we are all sick of, into poor suffering folks we should cry about and donate to.p as thy whimper on their custom made furniture.
Victimization and self-pity seem to be the new wealth and coinage of celebrity. Oprah is helping them all bathe in it, like a platoon of little Cleopatras. So instead of noticing their smug, air-kissed, private-jetting front-of-the-line-ness and the estates they kept buying while the world buckled, instead of imagining them on Rodeo drive and poolside you will only see their tears. Oh they are sad! They matter!
Yes, I am feeling extremely jaded today.
I just checked the US version of the DM. All of the stories dropped to near the bottom of the page. Maybe it just a difference between the US and UK editions? They were at the very top this morning.
The first story now is Oprah's rape story, almost 1/3rd down the page, and the next article, about Harry and Oprah, is at about the 1/2 page point.
Is this what you're seeing?
@jenn,
Thanks for reading my rant. I am so sick of these two idiots and grifters.
It was nearly immediately after Diana's funeral that the press was asked and respected the wishes of the RF to give both boys the chance at privacy during those crucial years that they attended school. Those boys were both given that so there was no suffering at the hands of the press/media during that time.
So I guess recollections may vary.
But the stories are still at the top now! (22.45 pm UK time)
Agree. It’s wall-to-wall H (and M) stories, they’ve dominated the DM all flipping day. :o/
Oh Lord, I am so far behind in my reading, I don’t think I will ever catch up, especially not on the phone.
@AnT
Once again a case of lattes and it dozen pastries to you for "frau of terror" and "puny smut peddlers". Perfection.
Those of you on Heygo May have encountered Florent in Paris. I did his Paris by night tour last week in which he showed the front façade of the Paris Ritz hotel, owned by Mohammed al Fayed And Diana’s final destination before the fatal accident. We’ve got the granny video footage of her in the elevator leaving the hotel after dinner for the faithful ride. The place is a fortress, and if Dodi had only heated his fathers place to stay in his room at the Ritz for the night rather than going out onto the street, they both likely would be alive today. Jody was absolutely insistent that they go to his flat to retrieve an item, ostensibly The gear is yellow diamond ring he had picked up from Tiffany’s earlier that day for Diana. Although it was not expressly identified as an engagement ring, that’s what everyone assumed. If only they had gone when it was daylight, after everyone had had a chance to sober up, they would be alive. Dodi was a pernicious Coke head and was most likely off his face, and whatever Diana’s feelings were about leaving the hotel, she went along with it. They were both acutely aware that paparazzi had the hotel staked out, so there is no other conclusion to be drawn then both of them insisted on being seen and photographed for their own purposes. This could’ve gone so many other ways, if even one if this couple had been more sensible and discreet. If the ring absolutely had to be presented that evening, Dodi Could have sent somebody from the hotel to fetch it from his apartment. Henry Paul had been off duty for sometime, and had been drinking, I find it incredible to imagine that there was not a single other unimpaired hotel employee who would have been available and on duty to drive them. Why didn’t the security detail, the sole survivor of the accident because he himself in, The sustaining significant injuries… Why wasn’t he more forceful in a professional capacity about the inadvisability of going out under the conditions? I get the feeling that nobody said no to Dodi, Ever, particularly not when he was in a Coke field rage. So we’ve got two employees who should have known better and put their feet down unable to do so because they were essentially bullied into that car by their material and vindictive boss. If Diana had Insisted that she was tired and wanted to go upstairs to their room, she’d be here now probably. Having been stupid enough to get into the vehicle with a very impaired driver and her coked up boyfriend, she didn’t take the basic precaution of wearing a seatbelt. Harry can spin this all he wants, but it was bad judgment coupled with physics that resulted in his mothers death, not racism, not religious bigotry, not prince Philip, but this mismatch couples own insatiable thirst for their own publicity. This mismatched couple that were both using each other with this romance of convenience. At what point does tragedy become farce?
It must be the US edition then that shifted the stories to near the bottom because I've checked again and the first five stories on the app and the online edition are about H. I think these stories have reached saturation point (I just glance at the headlines/ a few lines and just read some comments).
Oh Lord, I am so far behind in my reading, I don’t think I will ever catch up, especially not on the phone.
The memory of his dead mother, the beloved but fatally flawed Diana, Is all that Harry has to pedal to make money. It’s disgusting. He’s so much like her, but not in the ways he thinks. He’s got all of her damage, all of her self destructive, immature and vindictive tendencies… And none of her goodness. Sad but true. The good that was Diana resides in William, Who learned the lessons his mother was trying to teach by taking him and his brother to aids clinics and homeless shelters. Harry got what was left. Presuming, in a best case scenario, that Diana had survived to repent of her behavior with Dodi and dump him...If she were here today to be a grandmother to her grandchildren, what would she make of Harry behavior now, And his choice of wife? Even excepting that she had significant mental issues, I can’t believe that she would be supportive of Harry’s current behavior. It’s horrific to lose a Mother so young, but now it just feels like H is milking her memory for cash. Any real grief evaporated years ago, And now it’s all gimme gimme gimme. So much for the Vow he undertook With his brother to lay his mothers memory to rest, and that was only a few years ago. What a difference a few years makes.
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"Victimization and self-pity seem to be the new wealth and coinage of celebrity. Oprah is helping them all bathe in it, like a platoon of little Cleopatras. So instead of noticing their smug, air-kissed, private-jetting front-of-the-line-ness and the estates they kept buying while the world buckled, instead of imagining them on Rodeo drive and poolside you will only see their tears. Oh they are sad! They matter!"
What a great comment! It's difficult to watch people who are famous, fabulously wealthy and living in multi-million dollar homes, cry on a public stage about very personal trials that they have experienced.
Chrissy Teigen is a perfect example of that. A short, dignified announcement about her miscarriage would be appropriate because she's a star. Her bombarding us with every little detail nearly everyday is slimy and extremely undignified. Does anybody really want to know about a stranger's miscarriage, written in extreme detail?
Yes, it seems to be a trend among the wealthy and famous to try to cash in on their very private and personal experiences. I blame the Kardashians. They started this trend.