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 I was reading some of the parts from the new book and and thinking about all the little flashing yellow lights released so far.

Like the troubles of all the assistants written off as just Americans can just be direct so it is a style of behavior.  Well, maybe?  But humiliation towards someone  is not the same as being direct.  Direct can be a little abrupt without a please or thank you but it is more about getting to the heart of solving a problem.  Humiliation is just mean.  

A polite way would be: I wonder if you tried reversing those two parts to see if that can get them to fit?
A direct way would be: Reverse those two parts and they ought to fit.
A humiliating way would be: I can't believe you are so stupid that you need me to tell you this.  Reverse those two and it will work!  

It does, however, give some ammunition to the charges of bullying.  


Or "control the press or I am leaving you."

Yeah good luck with that one (this isn't still the time of King Henry VIII where the mere comment of life after the king's death was treasonous).  There are some press rules in place but it's kind of like trying to control the tide.  You can put up some barrier bars but water is a force of nature and nature still follows nature's internal laws and remolds the manmade to its liking.  The result may not be as intended.  You are far better off allowing X so that you don't have to worry endlessly about the rest of the time.  It's like using the magic words to help both sides briefly before moving on.  Maintaining some control.

Linked is that one of the long standing issues appears to be that they actually do want press but only positive press and bury any with a whiff of negative (described as being protection).  But that's not how life works in a parliamentary democracy or a democratic republic.  You risk hearing or seeing things you would rather not but the flip side is that you are allowed your own opinion toward the unwanted.  The same cannot be said for a totalitarian state.  And control there only works to your favor if you are part of the controlling decision making power team.

Regardless, any statement which is a variation of: "Do this or else" - is by nature, a threat (a bullying remark).  When people tell you who they are, listen (or so the phrase goes).


Endless shows of required fealty.  Excessive displays of behavior (from loyalty to we are so in love) often tend to actually be counter productive to the goal because they stem from an inner insecurity about the situation.  If it worked (to receive that assurance), it would have worked the first time and not needed infusions.


Or needing to display power like I will be your boss.  The most powerful people actually rarely need to remind people of the extent of the power.  Everyone knows so one doesn't need to threaten or coerce for cooperation.  Cooperative people are far less likely to want to stab you in the back but people who feel threatened,  scared as how they have no control are more likely to take some kind of action to regain some autonomy.  The victim might not feel safe about responding appropriately or inappropriately at that time or even later.  So often delayed reaction comes out as a big way instead of a smaller less disruptive one.  And to do so at all often means any action will be viewed as a negative.  



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xxxxx said…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nnlsiYti48 ---- YouTube video with Valentine Low --- Mar 3, 2021

Times journalist on why he believes Meghan 'bullying' allegations were brought to him | ITV News
1,196,992 views Mar 3, 2021
Times journalist Valentine Low, who broke the story concerning allegations of bullying made by former palace staff against the Duchess of Sussex, has explained why he believes he was approached now about the claims.
OCGal said…
I’m surprised to read from a Nutty that QEII had bone cancer according to Lady Colin Campbell. A number of written articles had delicately suggested blood cancer.

Prior to Her Majesty’s death, Lady CC had on a number of occasions claimed that QEII’s illness was not of a painful nature; that even as she was in failing health, she was not in pain.

That would more align with blood cancer rather than insidious bone cancer, but could actually be directly related due to correlation between bone marrow going awry, and subsequent blood cancer. Bone marrow makes most blood cells, and if the manufacturing of blood cells falters, trouble ensues. Read up on leukemia, lymphoma, etc.

I assure you I am not diagnosing, I promise you I am not diagnosing, but I had been comforted each time Lady CC had stressed that Her Majesty was facing obvious health issues but was not in pain.

I pray QEII was in little to no pain.
CatEyes said…
I found this article inrteresting because it discusses the antipathy of PW toward Meghan and how strong his opinion was, how it never changes and what is could mean in the future.

Meghan Markle's worst nightmare isn't King Charles, it's the Prince of Wales: royal expert

Prince Harry faces a life of permanent "exile" with King Charles III plotting to follow the playbook drawn up by the royals when they overcame the crisis triggered by Edward VIII, the king who abdicated in 1936 and was obliged to live the rest of his life outside the U.K.

That's what the headlines in the gossip columns say about the recent return of Harry and Meghan to the U.K., but the truth is much different.

Let me explain:
The Royal family evolves and divides after each reign with no one safe from exclusion. You need only look at the way ex-royal servants are dispensed with after service is done. Harry and Meghan are no different.

She's a former actress who listed herself as a "supermodel" on her resume prior to landing the biggest role of her career, after she fell in love with a prince from the most famous royal family in the world. He's a prince by birth with no career direction but ready and happy to trade on his good looks and having no responsibility in life. They were a match made in heaven.

But not even Markle, with all of her showbiz bang, could have foreseen just how quickly the ax will swing with the arrival of the new reign of King Charles III.

Markle has told associates that the king "liked me a lot, and we get on well," until, of course, she trashed him on TV and kept pushing ahead with daily tidbits about his institution and families.

But it's not King Charles that Meghan and Harry should be worried about. It’s the new Prince of Wales, who reportedly called out the ex-actress directly to his younger brother ahead of the wedding that Markle called a "spectacle." Meghan tried her very best to make William like her while gushing about saving the planet. He was having none of it.

She tried then the wife, but Catherine, while easier going than William, was well versed in diva antics of the showbiz world, thanks to her savvy mother Carole.

What frustrated Meghan most was that she could not make William like her, according to my good source. She relayed this back to Harry, who remained perplexed at this situation. After all, "everyone loves Meghan, right?"

Not quite, Harry, as his friends were exiled on a frequent basis because they did not agree with the madcap woke world of the new Duke and Duchess of Sussex. Harry was happy for this to happen. But the one thing Meghan could not do was bin William. She saw him as the future of the monarchy and her ticket to a new starring role.
CatEyes said…
Now, in 2022, Meghan believes Charles will and still does like her. And she holds the key to one thing Charles would like to return to order: his younger son Harry.

"Charles simply cannot fathom just how he has ended up like this with Harry when they were once so close, and now Meghan holds the key to that," a source told me.

"She knows he will need her if she is to allow Harry back to any kind of relationship with his father, and Charles is very aware of this. Let’s face it: she booted her own father as he did not fit the remit when she elevated herself to her latest role, so Charles won’t get a look in."

But Willim, for Meghan, is the bigger problem and one she can’t solve.

"William cannot abide Meghan despite what you saw at the recent Windsor walkabout," a source told me. "He is playing the very long game. And, make no mistake, she is terrified of him simply because, throughout all of this, William has not once shown any incline to her charms."

This is annoying Meghan beyond belief.

So, for those claiming it will be the new King Charles who is ready to wield his proverbial ax on the ex-royal couple, think again. Charles should be watched by the couple. But, for the man who one day will be king, there will be no room for a former actress and a party-loving prince in his court even if it’s his once much-loved younger brother.

How could this change in the future?

"Harry alone will always be welcome, but no one — and I mean, no one — trusts the deluded head, thoughts and mind of Markle. It’s as simple as that," the source confided.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/entertainment-celebrity/meghan-markle-s-worst-nightmare-isn-t-king-charles-it-s-the-prince-of-wales-royal-expert/ar-AA12drkN?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e7b5255c37f54ac7835adf2a6a8e08aa
snarkyatherbest said…
so are we being played. are they putting out PR about a time down book to get something but in fact will add all the queens last day drama and spice up parts now that she’s gone. or adding the wife’s rebuttal to all the bullying news (notice how i didn’t call it stories) and then release it. i dont trust them to change the tone but maybe only spice it up and make it more controversial.
OCGal said…
Oh, I am so annoyed. I didn’t save, and can no longer find a juicy bit I had read last night, probably someone’s Twitter feed, which firmly stated that Harry is wild right now trying to halt the locomotive unstoppable train of his book being published so that he can delete or soften the most risible anti-family stuff within, and that he has offered to pay for the pulping of any hard copies which have already been printed.

I was amazed that he was offering to stump up the funds to destroy already-printed books so that he can revise before the whitewashed edition would go to print.

This begs the question: is the book already in process of printing?

I hope the distasteful book is moving forward as-is, so that the wider world can finally witness and see for themselves in print what so many of us have known about his (ugly) un-truths and (baseless) accusations and (mis)interpretations of reality.
On the last thread:
NeutralObserver said...
@CatEyes, I wasn't thinking of 'defamation.' I don't believe the 5s have won any defamation cases. I was thinking of 'privacy,' which I believe is currently protected under ECJ laws, which I believe the UK currently abides by. * won her privacy case against the Daily Mail, she didn't win a defamation judgement. Valentine Low wouldn't want to be sued for invading *'s privacy, as there is already precedence in support of a privacy argument.

September 25, 2022 at 3:03 PM

I read the report as saying that

1)She won the copyright case (ie the paper had reproduced too much of the text of her father's letter and thereby exceeded what the law allows.) It was clear to me from the start that the paper was in the wrong.

2) The judge ruled that the `Invasion of Privacy claim' had negligible merit - she's `invaded her own privacy', so to speak, over what she'd done/allowed to be done with the letter. `Nominal damages' (aka `derisory damages') were awarded - expressing what the Law thought of a claim with a micro-smidgeon of truth in it. She doesn't realise that it's a hollow `victory' - one made of an insult, just like Whistler's win of a farthing (one quarter of of 1d) against Ruskin - what I hoped she'd get.

3)`Defamation'? Nothing about that here.

I don't think she knows what she's suing about half the time.
CatEyes said…
Then this tidbit reveals how frosty Kate was toward Meghan at the joint walkabout (which the media painted as a warming reunion of the two):

"Meanwhile, Meghan Markle and Kate Middleton also allegedly have an icier relationship than ever, with sources claiming that the Princess of Wales didn't say a single word to her sister-in-law during the entire time she was in the United Kingdom.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/queen-elizabeth-may-have-died-with-one-regret-hanging-over-her-head/ar-AA12cyag?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=34eb02b0005440a590be168f149b2569

NOT A SINGLE WORD!!"...Catherine outplayed Meghan for sure. Bravo!! [my words & emphasis adsded]
Humor Me said…
Well stated article. thank you for posting @CatEyes.

KCIII stated the facts: Harry and Meghan are loved. They continue to live their lives overseas.
Interpretation - I love you Harry. You are overseas, and you will stay there.

Harry broke trust - it is that simple. Harry is upset that William (or Charles) wanted to have a private secretary in the room when he wanted to have a confab, yet Harry can blab private conversations on an Interview?
The rumors that Harry is wanting to re-write his tome after HMTQ's death is humerous. No, Harry, you burned those bridges, and you cannot re-write them.

I do hope that KCIII has a spine. I hope he stands his ground with H and his wife. It may break his heart, but in the long run, his reign will be the better for it.
If W is the steel to KCIII's spine, so be it. Trust was broken.
If H divorced his wife and had custody of the children and lived in the county at Highgrove, there would still be *. There is no way back for H.
Thanks, Cat Eyes.

I do wish they'd stop using the negatively-loaded term `plotted', it implies that the king is as evil as she is. - `planned'? Yes.
OCGal said, I’m surprised to read from a Nutty that QEII had bone cancer according to Lady Colin Campbell. A number of written articles had delicately suggested blood cancer.

She didn’t, she said The Queen had a bone disease and not the very worse type you can get. I agree with you, I did wonder whether it could be leukaemia, the type that attacks the bone marrow and osteoporosis. The Queen wasn’t expected to see the year out, family knew it was terminal and from Lady C’s understanding, so did the Queen. ๐Ÿซค๐Ÿ˜ž

Here’s the first of Lady C going into some detail of the Queen’s health preceding her death.

https://youtu.be/YZ3qX2WJw9k

If you stop at 12.47, and at 12.59, Lady C says, she The Queen had been fortunate in that she has been suffering from the less painful of the two bone conditions. ๐Ÿ˜”
NeutralObserver said…
@WBBM, Yes, the judges' disdain for her 'privacy' claim was obvious in the tiny award, but technically, she could call it a win, & the MOS didn't appeal. The 5s have shown themselves to be very quick in filing lawsuits on any basis. If funds are becoming low, perhaps they will be more restrained. One can only hope!
gfbcpa said…
I laughed so hard at this that I spit out my coffee onto the keyboard. Priceless!!!



https://i.redd.it/vu7q0ug1oxp91.jpg
gfbcpa said…
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For anyone who still has the Beethoven funeral marches till on their mind - here's the original version of The Runaway Train:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFJ3KayeUTc

I recall it from 1950s children's `wireless' programmes.

Lady C nails it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lmSKTkjrGA , I'm listening to it now.(she starts with `Bonnie & Clyde , they were the Devil's Chlidren...'

And According2Taz: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-hAHu0T-90

The Games Have Begun
Fifi LaRue said…
IMO Hairy is not trying to soften the tone of his forthcoming book. Just look at how he refused to sing God Save the King, and looked daggers at his father. Hairy must have been mollified quite a lot as a toddler and teen when he threw tantrums, because he's using the same tactics as a middle-aged adult. Except for the extravagant wedding, no one's giving into him anymore.

Expect more revenge and rebuttals if there is time to edit Twit's book. Twit has a one-track mind: tantrums worked while he was a child, the tantrums should still work, right?
OCGal said…
@RaspberryRuffle, thank you for your elucidation concerning QEII’s diagnosis. That relieves my mind.
Observant One said…
Early in my career, I was an Oncology nurse. There are many types of cancer that non-medical people call bone cancer.

The most common is metastatic bone cancer that starts with a primary cancer somewhere else in the body and, if not stopped, spreads to the bones. Bone metastases are typically painful.

Sarcomas are primary tumors arising from the bone cells and are truly bone cancer. Pain and fractures are associated with these cancers.

Multiple Myeloma is a cancer of the bone marrow, which can destroy bones when an abnormal protein is created in the marrow and released into the bloodstream. Multiple Myeloma can cause pain in the spine and the breastbone. It does not always require immediate treatment and be watched. It also causes weight loss and low red blood cells, requiring regular transfusions.

Leukemias are other cancers of the bone marrow, where blood cells are formed. There are several types, but they are all actually blood disorders.

If I had to guess, I would say that HMTQ had Multiple Myeloma, but it is a guess. She likely decided against any treatment and was too old for a stem cell transplant. Her bruised hands and arms, in the photo with the new PM, could have been due to blown veins from blood transfusions.

I’ll admit I didn’t watch Lady C’s video. Her tedious way of speaking gets on my nerves and God knows my husband has that market cornered.
Maneki Neko said…
'The Prince and Princess of Wales had to 'up their game' when Meghan Markle arrived on the scene as she charmed the public with her wit and confidence, royal book claims'. This is the headline in the DM about a book by Katie Nicholl. Don't make me laugh. She certainly didn't charm me. And William and Catherine had no reason to 'up their game'. * is not witty and her confidence is actually overconfidence.

Katie Nicholl writes for Vanity Fair so this comes as no surprise. The problem is that the horrid duo were bigged up by the press, nicknamed 'the fab Four' when with V&W etc. They are really nobodies and have no power. Catherine and William now have an elevated status as Prince and Princess of Wales, the other two are the same old sad pretenders.
CatEyes said…
@Neutral Observer said...

"The 5s have shown themselves to be very quick in filing lawsuits on any basis."

Thak you for your insightful legal info on Privacy as being the basis of a suit. Yes the prior suits did not call for a defamation element in the judgement because the privacy issue was the focus ie. revealing the contents of a letter, and the judge rightfully addressed that.

Yes the 5's seem litigious ("sue happy") but notably they did not yet sue over the book which came out before Bower's tome *sorry cant remeber the female author's name) and more importantly did not sue Bower. The latter did include incidents which cast the 5's in a such bad light that the couple could think are defamatory in their deluded minds.

Now comes brave Low who clearly is not only telling about disturbing incidents casting an unfalttering light but he is being very specific by naming names and giving context along with the effcts * has had on her 'victims'. He repeats quotes that are damning especially the "sociopathtic" label. This material clearly could be construed by the mindless idiots as defamatory.

Low's excerpts reflect a tone and substance like has never been published in a book before IMO. I think many of us feel that Low's book will be groundbreaking, with some even alluding to the "release of the Kracken". The excerpts are truly strong witness evidence of how awful * is; things we have suspected but no author has ever documented so well before, if at all.

Privacy could be an issue what with the NDA's the royal household is subject to. However the expected gutteral reaction from M$H is probably going to truly sicken them and and I can conceive they will be beyond outraged as it exposes the nastiness, greed and entitlement of the two. If I was them being so litigious, I can conceive their first reaction would be suing Low for defamation and maybe even going after the people named.

Low has the proverbial 'goods' on the 5's especially * and he must have been careful to really confirm the facts and have his book reviewed by attorney(s) to protect him in the event of a suit. I say "bully to him" and may his book be a best seller.
OCGal said…
I know some Nutties have already made brief mention of the below snippet from Valentine Low’s upcoming book in which Harry was undeniably rude to the press corps who accompanied Haz and Megs on an overseas Royal trip, but it bears repeating, because the response from Ali Browne on Twitter opened my eyes and gave me a gasp of recognition that this is assuredly the truth about Harry.

Evans E.:
Later, Harry’s staff told him how badly his remarks had gone down. He replied: “Well, you shouldn’t have made me do it.” Harry’s petulant behaviour revealed much about the couple’s deteriorating relationship with their own staff.

Ali Browne:
That’s what abusers say. You made me do it. Harry is an abuser just like Meghan.

Yes, Ali is so right, I guess that’s why so many people have commented on Harry’s disturbing action and subsequent accusation to his staff:

“That’s what abusers say. You made me do it. Harry is an abuser just like Meghan”

SPOT ON.
Karla said…
"But William, for Meghan, is the bigger problema and one she can’t solve"
...

My opinion
This appears to be built to damage William's reputation in the face of H&M's cult "sugars Minions". KCIII since the 90s talks about a lean monarchy.
H&M (OW) said that KCIII had already told them this. M in The Cut said that H had lost his father in the Megxit process. Now, point to PoW. Because? I agree with
Enbretiliel - H&M have been completely blindsided by the outpouring of support, sympathy and increasing popularity for King Charles and the BRF.
And at the moment KCIII and William seem much closer than before and Louis, in the platinum jubilee, turned KCIII as the grandfather of the nation. Narcissists never change their tactics. H&M never blamedd the queen, but Charles and William. Now KCIII is king and their target will be PPoW and maybe Camila and Anne.
Enbrethiliel said…
@gfbcpa

It is funny! I think "I can't believe I'm not getting paid for this!" is going to be the next meme that haunts *.
Humor Me said…
whoa.....
https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/19911017/meghan-markle-rejected-royal-family-book/
Karla said…
Look how interesting!
Perhaps this explains H&M's new arguments that KCIII has to issue Letters Pantent to A&L.
...
"House of Windsor (Feb 8, 1960)
At the Court at Buckingham Palace, The 8th day of February 1960.
Present, the Queen's Most Excellent Majesty in Council.
Her Majesty was this day pleased to make the following declaration:
"My Lords
Whereas on the 9th day of April 1952, I did declare in Council My Will and Pleasure that I and My children shall be styled and known as the House and Family of Windsor, and that My descendants, other than female descendants who marry and their descendants, shall bear the name of Windsor:
And whereas I have given further consideration to the position of those of My descendants who will enjoy neither the style, title or attribute of Royal Highness, nor the titluar dignity of Prince and for whom therefore a surname will be necessary:
And whereas I have concluded that the Declaration made by Me on the 9th day of April 1952, should be varied in its application to such persons:
Now therefore I declare My Will and Pleasure that, while I and My Children shall continue to be styled and known as the House and Family of Windsor, My descendants other than descendants enjoying the style, title or attribute of Royal Highness and the titular dignity of Prince or Princess and female descendants who marry and their descendants shall bear the name of Mountbatten-Windsor."
(London Gazette, issue 41948, Feb. 8, 1960, p. 1/1003. See also the Times Feb 9, 1960 p. 10E.)
...
Can we also point out that not only were there no LP issued confirming titles for H&M's children but their birth certificates clearly state their surname is Mountbatten-Windsor. According to the 1960 LP, this surname is ONLY used for family members with NO princely title
Ralph L said…
The boy is a viscount ... Viscount Archie Dumbarton

No, one of H's subsidiary titles is Earl of Dumbarton (he also has one in N Ireland). As eldest son, Archie can use it as a courtesy title (Lord Dumbarton in conversation), but he isn't actually a peer until H dies and he becomes the 2nd Duke of Sussex. I've forgotten what Wm's was when he was D of C (probably Earl of Somewhere in Scotland), but George could have used it.
Humor Me said…
and....
https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/19913556/seven-key-questions-prince-harry-meghan-megxit-queen-death/
having just returned home from Church, I have given thought to HMTQ's example - reconcilation and forgiveness, and the parable of the prodigal son....
Would a reconcilation work both ways - would Harry cancel the book, put a stop to *'s desires for a international reputation based on her ahem, past experiences in the royal family for four years, apologize and desire to live the life of a working royal? Or would Harry think that he had finally gotten his way? Notice this puts H in charge of his marriage and this family scenario...
We already know per dictum of HMTQ, there is no half in, half out. KCIII wants a slimmed down monarchy.
What does Harry really want?
Enbrethiliel said…
@OCGal
Harry is wild right now trying to halt the locomotive unstoppable train of his book being published so that he can delete or soften the most risible anti-family stuff within, and that he has offered to pay for the pulping of any hard copies which have already been printed.

Does anyone remember the exact day this rumor was first reported? It would be interesting to put all the events since Queen Elizabeth's death on a timeline, to figure out what might have triggered this sudden about-face.

I still think that what got Harry panicking was the unexpected popularity of King Charles. Harry must have hoped to ride the wave of negative press with his memoir. When he saw that the tide was going in a completely different direction, he panicked and started scrambling.

But whatever the actual cause, it is very telling that he suddenly wants to take his own words back. From the very beginning, the memoir was promoted as a truthful presentation of his side of the story. It might be ugly and spiteful, but at least it would be based on factual events and on his actual feelings. That he is now censoring himself reveals that he never cared about telling the truth. He just wanted to get away with as much as he could -- and now that it seems he may risking more than he will ever gain, he is proving himself a coward.
Sandie said…
The LSA Meghan Markle Unpopular Opinions thread has 'disappeared' into a private, members only part of the site. A pity as the participants on that forum are really good at rooting out stuff that most sites overlook.

@CatsEyes
Aren't you a member at LSA? Of so, can you keep an eye on the thread for us? If not, is there anyone else who is a member?
Rebecca said…
This is the 3rd and final extract from Valentine Low’s book in The Times:

Harry and Meghan: ‘They felt cornered, misunderstood, deeply unhappy’

The Sussexes have been scathing in their criticism of the Firm. Did their departure need to be so bitter? In our third extract from his new book, Valentine Low reveals the tense negotiations surrounding Megxit


Before Harry and Meghan returned from Canada in January 2020 where they spent Christmas with their baby son Archie, away from the rest of the family, Harry sent an email to his father, saying that they were unhappy. The current set-up was not working for them, and they wanted to go and live in North America. Harry seemed to be under the impression that they could just sort it out by email before he and Meghan got back to London on January 6. The reply they got, however, was that this would require a proper family conversation. They were also told that the first date that the family would be available was January 29. It is not clear if this inflexibility was on the part of Charles, who was due to be in Davos, or that this was the response of his long-time private secretary Clive Alderton, pulling the strings. Either way, from the Sussex point of view, this went down incredibly badly. It fed into the narrative that they were not being taken seriously by the palace machinery, or by the rest of the family.

Harry had tried to speed up matters by arranging to see his grandmother alone before he left Canada. However, the message was conveyed to him that the Queen had been confused about her diary, and was no longer available. Harry was incensed, because it was not true: the courtiers had got in the way, it seemed, because they saw the meeting with the Queen as an attempt to pick the Queen off before Harry started talks with the rest of the family. As one source put it, “There was a danger that a private conversation could be interpreted very differently by two people.”

That was said to have made Harry so cross that for a while he considered driving straight from the airport to Sandringham to drop in on the Queen unannounced. He eventually dropped the idea, but it was a sign of his frustration that he even contemplated such a move.

Given that the couple announced their plans to stand down on January 8, and the royal family met to discuss it all five days later on January 13 — the so-called Sandringham summit — it seems that the family diary was rather more flexible than originally appeared.

Harry and Meghan could be maddening, of course; they had already infuriated the royal family by pushing out their Megxit announcement on January 8 with the minimum of notice when all the talks had been about issuing a joint statement. But the palace also showed the sort of initial inflexibility that was always guaranteed to infuriate them. Harry and Meghan felt cornered, misunderstood and deeply unhappy. If the rest of the institution failed to appreciate that, even if their demands were unreasonable, the departure negotiations were never going to end happily. It is uncontroversial to suggest that the Sussexes would regard the talks as a failure. They wanted to find a compromise whereby they could live part of the year abroad but carry out some royal duties at home. No such compromise was found. Instead, they lost their royal duties, their patronages, Harry’s military affiliations, their security, their income from the Prince of Wales and, for official purposes anyway, their HRH titles. They pretty much lost everything, except for the freedom to do exactly what they want.
Rebecca said…
The rest of the royal family lost a much-loved member of the family, and saw the creation of a rift that has resulted in the self-exiled Sussexes still throwing barbed criticisms across the Atlantic. It will take a long time for the institution to get over the accusations the couple made in their interview with Oprah Winfrey, including the implication that the royal family is racist. No one in the royal family — on either side — can have been happy that Harry did not attend the memorial service to his grandfather, the Duke of Edinburgh, in March 2022.

In the immediate aftermath of the Sussex bombshell on January 8, when the Queen said she wanted all four households to “work together at pace” to find a workable solution, Edward Young, the Queen’s private secretary, was with the Queen at Sandringham. The first negotiations took place in Clarence House — Charles’s home ground — over the following four days, with the private secretaries and communications secretaries from the four households all trying to find a way to make the Sussexes’ dreams a reality. They gathered in Alderton’s office, a sunny first-floor room where paintings from the Royal Collection sit alongside photographs of Alderton’s own family. Young would join the talks on the phone from Norfolk, but for the first few days it was Alderton who was leading the discussions. (Later, they would all have talks at Buckingham Palace.) Simon Case, Prince William’s private secretary, who is now cabinet secretary, also played a pivotal role. “He was talking to both sides,” said a source.

The people sitting around the table went through five different scenarios, which ranged from Harry and Meghan spending most of their time being working members of the royal family, but having a month a year to do their own thing, to them spending most of their time privately, but doing a select number of royal activities. There was, according to more than one source, a positive atmosphere in the room: they wanted to find a solution. At one stage, Alderton made the point that if they could get this right, they would be solving a problem for future generations of the royal family who were not in the direct line of succession.

By the end of the week, the five scenarios had been worked through. The view from the palace establishment was that, however much time Harry and Meghan spent away from royal duties, anything they did would reflect on the institution. That meant that the normal rules about royal behaviour would apply. They should not act or take decisions in order to gain financial or other material benefits for themselves, their family, or their friends.

But the Sussexes wanted their freedom: freedom to make money, freedom to dip their toes into American politics. There was no way for the two sides to reach an agreement on that point. Crucially, it was the Queen who took the view that unless the couple were prepared to abide by the restrictions that applied to working members of the royal family, they could not be allowed to carry out official duties. One source said: “There was a very clear view: you can’t be in and out. And if you’ve got such clarity of view, it’s very difficult to say, ‘Why don’t we go 10 per cent this way instead of 20 per cent?’ ” Compromise was off the table, removed by the Queen.

Could Harry and Meghan’s departure have been handled differently? Did the most senior courtiers in the institution, Alderton and Young, have a grasp of the situation soon enough? Were they unaware of how unhappy Harry and Meghan had become and how bad things had become with their staff? Or were they burying their heads in the sand? Did they let a personal dislike of Meghan prevent them from seeing the very obvious dangers that lay ahead? One former insider has described how Young’s predecessor, Christopher Geidt [the Queen’s long-serving former private secretary, who was effectively ousted by Prince Charles in 2017], used to “walk the corridors” to know what was going on: did Young walk the corridors?

Sandie said…
A plausible reason to 'postpone' the publication of his memoirs? To include a final chapter on the Queen's death and funeral.
Rebecca said…
One former palace insider believes the way the developing crisis was handled was “incompetent beyond belief”. They said: “I think Meghan thought she was going to be the Beyoncรฉ of the UK. Being part of the royal family would give her that kudos. Whereas what she discovered was that there were so many rules that were so ridiculous that she couldn’t even do the things that she could do as a private individual, which is tough . . . It just required the decision-makers to sit around a table and say, ‘OK, what are we going to do about this? What do you need to feel better? And what can we give?’ ”

There is, however, another view: that nothing could have ever saved the situation. The two sides were just too far apart. Another palace source, who has been critical of the Queen’s private secretary Edward Young in the past, said: “I think that it was an impossible task. I think in Meghan and the household, you had two worlds that had no experience of each other, had no way to relate to each other, had no way to comprehend each other. And Meghan was never going to fit in that model and that model was never going to tolerate the Meghan who Meghan wanted to be. So I think that it was inevitable that they would not be able to work together. I don’t think there’s anything Edward could have done about that that other members of the royal family would have accepted.”

Both things are probably true. There was a collective failure on the part of those who work for the royal family to recognise that there was a serious problem, to flag it up, and to try to do something about it. There were no high-level discussions any time in the first eight months of 2019 — when Meghan was later to say that she had suicidal thoughts and the first clues were emerging that the Sussexes were plotting an escape — about the nature of their unhappiness and what could be done about it.

But even if that had happened, I do not believe that it would have solved the problem. Their grievances were too deep-rooted, and the distance between what the Sussexes wanted and what the royal family felt able to give was just too great. Perhaps the best that could have happened is that the divorce could have been handled without all the acrimony that followed the events of January 2020. One thing is definitely true, however. If there were any failings, they were during the first year or so of Harry and Meghan’s marriage.

There is one final thought on this, and it comes from a surprising source, someone who knows Harry well but remains upset about what Harry and Meghan did. Their view is that perhaps the Sussexes’ departure was not the untrammelled disaster that so many think it was. “There is a part of me that thinks Meghan did Harry the greatest kindness anyone could do to him, which was to take him out of the royal family, because he was just desperately unhappy in the last couple of years in his working life. We knew he was unhappy, but we didn’t really know what the solution would be. She came along and found the solution.”

This is an edited extract from Courtiers: The Hidden Power Behind the Crown by Valentine Low, published by Headline Books on October 6
Enbrethiliel said…
Someone on Twitter recommended this video by The Royal Grift:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaC0wdgpXT0

It's a compilation of CDAN posts on Harry. I had to laugh at all the early blinds linking Harry to Britney Spears, Misha Barton, Margot Robbie and even Evanna Lynch. All blonde women! Even the blind that hinted that Chelsy Davy broke up with him because he cheated on her with brunette Gemma Atherton reminds us that he was with a blonde girlfriend for years. The video's narrator quipped that Harry's very clear preference might be what * meant when she said he had "unconscious bias." Hahaha!

But in all seriousness, when news of Harry's engagement hit my proverbial newsstands, my initial reaction to * (whom I knew nothing about) was mild surprise. She didn't look a thing like any of the women Harry had been linked to, and in my experience, men who have a pretty definite type tend to stick very closely to it. But I digress . . .

The main reason it was recommended was that it cites a blind from a few months ago, which predicts that Harry's memoir will say that the BRF played a direct role in Diana's death. Most people who believe this think that Prince Philip was the main one behind it . . . but what if Harry was planning to lay a lot of the blame on King Charles? If so, his objective might have been to torpedo his father's reign before it could even begin -- to fulfill his mother's vengeful promise to "destroy" her ex-husband so that he would "never be king." (Right in time for the anniversary of her death, too!)

But a salvo at the seemingly unpopular Prince Charles would have been one thing. An attack on the warmly welcomed King Charles would be something very different. After the pageantry and ineffable majesty that the world got to witness last week, it must have sunk in even for Harry and his whip-smart wife that a whiny memoir would only turn everyone against them. And at worst, it might even be treason.
Rebecca said…
First, I want to apologize for taking as fact the statement by a Nuttie in the previous thread that the Queen died of bone cancer. Since the commenter had listened to Lady Colin Campbell’s latest podcast, I believed the information must be true. Live and learn.

@Sandie
Thank you for explaining the late stages of the publishing process, and the possibility of a text being digitally altered/added to if the actual printing has not yet begun.

I can not imagine Penguin Random House being sanguine about Harry’s pleas for yet another revision. And what about J. R. Moehringer, the ghostwriter that was reportedly paid in excess of $1 million to translate Harry’s crayon drawings into a readable book for adults? There have been reports in the past that Harry kept changing his mind about how much damning information to include, which would make more work for Moehringer. He will need to be further compensated to go back to the royal salt mines.
And his wife is a senior VP at PRH—what I wouldn’t give to be a fly on the wall during their private conversations about the blue-blooded manchild.
Enbrethiliel said…
@Karla
H&M never blamedd the queen, but Charles and William. Now KCIII is king and their target will be PPoW and maybe Camila and Anne.

The short-sightedness of their "strategy," if one can even call it that, is breathtaking. Sure, they never said anything horrible about Queen Elizabeth herself -- because even opportunists are (whip?) smart enough not to bite the hand that feeds them -- but did they really not have the logic to understand that Charles would be the next King . . . and after him, Prince William?

Or maybe they hoped that by that time, Charles would be so unpopular that the new hand to feed them would be that of the public -- a public ravenous for new rumors and stories. But now it seems as if the public won't take kindly to an attack on King Charles. And the King himself would never stand for an attack against Queen Camilla. The Dollars couldn't have screwed themselves harder, had they tried.
Sandie said…
@Ralph L
Thanks for that information. Putting the following information together, Archie can use either of the two subsidiary titles, Earl of Dumbarton and Baron Kilkeel, as courtesy titles. (Earl ranks higher than baron.)

'Prince Edward was also given the subsidiary title of Viscount Severn, which subsequently became the courtesy title of his son and heir.' (Edward had not been given the title Earl of Forfar at the time that James was born.)

'The eldest son of a duke will use one of the duke's subsidiary titles, whilst other children will use the honorary title 'Lord' or 'Lady' in front of their Christian names.'

So, Lilli does have the courtesy title 'Lady' that she can use as she is the daughter of a Duke.
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Do you think the King is putting off the inevitable, too busy to think about it, or putting together a plan for titles that can be used in the future? The speculation and chatter will eventually die down I suppose, but I can see TBW (now that she is handling her own PR) getting the American tabloids to call the kids prince and princess. Will she be bold enough to try with the HRH as well?
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What is Henry Wales going to call himself at polo matches now that his brother has the title?!
Anonymous said…
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if palace staff signed NDA's then it was to protect the palace/monarchy -not the individuals. Therefore the palace/monarchy would be responsible for suing. The royal family is not just a family but an institution. Just like H$M would have been violating every staff members right to privacy by making public accusations and threats to them. As they were when bullying claims first became public. H$M have violated almost everyone's privacy in some manner (books, interviews, news articles, etc).

What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

The grey men must have formed the writing on the wall with H$M long ago and prepared for the showdown with the two. H$M are dearly loved and I wish them the best in their new life overseas. -recollections may vary. ๐Ÿ˜Ž
Enbrethiliel said…
@Sandie
A plausible reason to 'postpone' the publication of his memoirs? To include a final chapter on the Queen's death and funeral.

I agree that this month is momentous enough to merit a chapter in his memoirs. But if it's true that he's willing to shoulder the cost of already printed copies, then what I'm thinking is that he doesn't want to leave a paper trail of incriminating statements.
Anonymous said…
It makes no sense to me that H wants to "soften" his memoir. After Charles passes, it will be King William. W isn't just going to forgive them and bend over to agree to all H$M crazy demands. Not now or ever. The monarchy exists because it is the will of the people to allow it. If not this memoir, what about the next one, and the one after that? They could just make any changes or clarifications in another memoir and add the details regarding QE funeral in another book and make more $$$. They seem to be tight on funds. I think he is trying to stop publication completely. He must be expecting King Bank of Dad to foot the bill for any losses.
Sandie said…
@Rebecca
Thanks for posting the third extract from Low's book. It is most interesting as it outlines how much effort was made to find a model that could accommodate the duo, but in the end it was the Queen who put her foot down and said you are either in or out.

I think the hapless Prince is still very unhappy. Is the life he has now really what he wants and needs to live a happy and fulfilling life? He could have left and kept family ties intact (plus his honour and respect), with a different wife. But I think he blames any unhappiness on his family and the tabloids.
Sandie said…
@Enbrethiliel
If the book is already at the printers, then adding a chapter or making any changes would be very costly and delay publication significantly.

Costs: pay for books printed, pay for pulping of books printed, pay for ghost writing of new material, editing, typesetting and layout, proofing (is there an index?), amending front matter such as contents ... adjusting spine on the cover if the book now has more pages.

If the book is not at the printer yet, the one big problem with making changes is time. If you miss the print date, you lose your place in the queue (publication delayed means sales and income delayed). I could add a chapter or two about the Queen's death and funeral in a very short time, and I assume that there are people in book publishing in America that could also do so. It is do-able. But if the book is at the printer already, then it is a costly and complicated problem and not simply a matter of pulping some books.
CatEyes said…
@Sandie

I would of been happy to watch the LSA thread regarding Unpolular * thread but I'm not a member. Best I recall I thought a couple of Nuties have quoted the site's posts here, so maybe they can report on what's behind the scenes.

BTW I like your posts because they are so informastive on many things.
snarkyatherbest said…
interesting comment from the book. meghan did the kindest thing letting harry have an out. that is a great generous set up to yeah don’t come back in harry doesn’t want it. however harry is fickle and prob wants it now that he was back for the funeral. and he only has the grifter to play with. not a good situation for the toddler๐Ÿ˜‰
Girl with a Hat said…
everyone, or almost everyone, thinks that the twit wants to recall his book to modify it by taking out offensive comments regarding the BRF and in particular those regarding Charles and Camilla.

I use past behaviour to predict future behaviour. So, knowing these two odious individuals, I believe it is to ADD offensive comments, particularly with respect to William and Catherine. The twits are too stupid too realize that their actions have consequences, and they just want to lash out
Karla said…
Enbretiliel
I couldn't agree more! As for Camila, you're right. KCIII won't accept that H throws her under the bus. And H's book will not pass BRF silently. KCIII does not seem to embrace the never-complain, never-explain of the second Elizabethan period. Reading the articles from The Times that @rebecca (❤️❤️) is putting here, we should point out a major breakthrough, palace staff (with NDA's) speaking to the book's author. I wonder if He's fear or apprehension is that these officials might have the freedom
to confront the arguments raised in his book publicly. Yes, if it is true that he wants to delay the publication of his book, his fear is about something that could turn against him and never about the feelings of others.
gloriosasuperba said…
@Nutties.
Word on the street is that PH does trash the late Queen and Prince Phillip in his memoir. He didn't get whatever was wanted when he saw her in April (NBS interview) before Invictus and then what transpired at the Jubilee. Very bad mood. Also did not receive whatever he expected from PP's Will, after what happen to the shotgun's is anyone surprised. After seeing what he saw in the UK since the 8th blind panic about the book is the result. Another rumour is that the Royal Family have a copy, if so very dangerous times ahead!!!
Mel said…
Observant One....
Thanks for the medical explanations.

I kind of think Lady C's explanations are coming from a lack of understanding of what she's being told. Thus the rather loose terminology. Maybe her source has a rather loose understanding also.
Scientist in Africa? Presumably Jane Goodall, primatologist.
Hikari said…
Harry and his wife will never be Happy, no matter what. No one that greedy, sulky and vengeful can ever be made happy by external circumstances. They want to exist in a fantasy Playland where they’ve got unlimited wealth, Everyone adores them and hast to jump and do what they say, there are absolutely no curbs on their behavior and They don’t have to lift a finger to earn any of this. This is not any sort of real life, even for a royal prince— This is a Disney film. Neither half of this couple deals in reality as we know it, so when reality intrudes on their fantasies, they are Unhappy. Even if they were king and queen they wouldn’t be happy because neither of them has a single concept of how much work it is to lead.

During Harry’s wife’s elephantine pregnancy, it was announced that after a suitable period—six months?... Enough time for the baby to be a few months old, that the couple would relocate to Africa for half the year and do charitable work there. Does anyone remember this? It was around the same time that it was announced that the couple would be moving into Frogmore cottage after renovations, but it made sense that a relatively modest home would be all that was necessary for a couple that was only going to be in residence for half the year. There was a lot of back-and-forth in the media until several weeks later it was announced that they would not after all be posted to Africa after all. I think this idea was presented to them and they went ballistic.

At the time, such an arrangement sounded like an ideal solution to me--The couple would be out of the glare of the London spotlight for a large chunk of the year to raise their kids and get that privacy they so craved while reconnecting hairy to the place he said he loved so much and his charities there, and the humanitarian Duchess“ could empower women and girls and do humanitarian work there herself. I figured they would probably spend the first half of the year in Africa, coming back in June in time for TOC, And all the summer events of the royal calendar, staying through Christmas and returning to Africa in the New Year. If they had actually been sincere about desiring a truly authentic and private life verses just chasing Hollywood celebrity and cash, this could’ve worked a treat. Not nearly glamorous enough for MEME And my how racist to send a “black woman back to Africa” as it’s certainly would have been spun. And yet, just four months after “Archie’s birth", The couple were sent to South Africa on royal tour, even though reports of their awful behavior in Australia the previous year was already making the rounds. If South Africa was meant to be a preview taste of a possible life there for them…it failed miserably. They were sent on garden leave to Canada as soon as they returned. I think Harry may be regretting That they didn’t except that offer a while they had the chance. The issue for the queen was never that they remain in Royal highness 365 days out of the year; it was that their Demonstrated behavior in focus of being entirely self interested was not acceptable, no matter where they were living. The crux of the problem was not that they proposed to spend some of their time away from England. As ambassadors for the commonwealth it would’ve been a feather in the royal family’s cap to have the Sussexes in the field. The issue always was that Harry and Meghan only desire to serve themselves and their own brand, and not the Queen. That’s why they’ve been banished but all the parent says they still haven’t accepted That greed and disloyalty, not racism, is the reason they’re out.

There was never any hope of coming to an arrangement that would suit both parties, the palace and the Sussexes— As madame is a narcissistic sociopath and Harry is also I believe, he is very beta to to her; a lesser strength perhaps but only because he is more stupid and lazy— The fatal error is not and how they handled the Megxit But inviting that vampire into their midst in the first place.
Fifi LaRue said…
@ObservantOne: I put Lady C on 1.5 speed, with CC. When she goes on about things too much, I skip ahead a bit.
Enbrethiliel re The Royal Grift :
Scientist in Africa - Jane Goodall, primatologist? IIRC represented by SS? Like Desmond Tutu.
Humor Me said…
Found this little gem on Twitter and I am passing it along, as I have always said * needed to play the long game.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/daniela-elser-meghan-markles-biggest-mistake-comes-into-focus/3KEUZNDXHUDJULAX4IFKOTYV6Y/
OCGal said…
@Sandie, a big thank you for giving us guidance on the inner workings of the publishing industry.

I am reading with fascination your take on the costs and blockades which would be encountered if Harry really could or would expect to be able to call a HALT to his tell-all autobiography at this late stage...just weeks ago we kept reading that he was bound and determined (double entendre intended, yes!) to roll his book out in November.

Prince Harry recently was "insisting” that his tell-all memoir is to be “published in November”, royal author Tom Bower has claimed.
Now we hear he wants to call a halt to the proceedings. Well, which is it gonna be, Harry?

Sandie, your description of what huge hassles and costs would be encountered if the book is already at the printers is thrilling to me. I feel like i am at a horse race and the horses are all neck and neck. What will be the outcome!?!?!? One of the racers is a horse's ar$e while the other is a thoroughbred. Bet you can guess which is which. But i don't know who will win this.

- WHO would pay for the pulped books? The word on the street had been that Harry offered
- WHERE would Harry get such funds to pay for pulping? I still think that Daddy Charles behind the scenes promised Harry glittery things such as prince and princess titles for the kids if he, Harry, would successfully stop the book's publication, and that Daddy Warbucks, uh, i mean Daddy Charles, would pay, no matter how astronomical the penalty
- WHAT would Harry expect to do about the book? Make revisions to soften the reaming out and falsehoods about his family, then add tearful emotional farewell chapters about his granny/grannie? Then go to print again?
- WHY is everything with Harry & Wife so filled with secrets, tumult, accusations, unreasonable expectations, and sour lies?
- WHEN, oh when are we going to find relief from this madhouse?

As the world turns... Tune in tomorrow for more unwanted escapades.
Maneki Neko said…
@gfbcpa

Thank you for "I can't believe I'm not getting paid for this!". But... if * is so whip smart as she claimed, did she not ask any questions as to salary/stipend before getting engaged? Would you take a job without knowing the salary?


@Ralph L

William is Duke of Cornwall and Rothesay. Duke of Rothesay is a dynastic title of the heir apparent to the British throne. Charles was Duke of Rothesay in Scotland. I remember Camilla was Duchess of Rothesay.
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Excerpt from V Low's book: The rest of the royal family lost a much-loved member of the family... (my emphasis). Note the singular: a, not the plural 'much-loved members'. The inference couldn't be clearer. V Low is sending a message in a subtle way.
xxxxx said…
Frogmore Cottage should be taken away. Otherwise Hapless will have a base to operate from, when he wants to drop in and be a pretend Royal. Such as promoting his book in the UK. Megs rather just stay in California. He never liked the British people, and this is why she treated her staff with such disdain.
Sandie said…
@GWAH
I tend to agree with you ... why would they suddenly be concerned about what they say? 'Biting the hand that feeds them' seems to be a go-to pastime for the duo.

The death and funeral of the Queen was a major (if not the biggest ever) event worldwide. People might well be interested in a 'view from the inside'. Although I doubt it, he may well have been at the interment ceremony at WC.
Please God, they'll be dealt with once and for all before the Coronation. I imagine everyone dreads a repeat of their recent performance.

I don't care what happens to them - it can be anything, providing nobody else is hurt, and they shut up and disappear into that cloud of privacy they claim to be so desperate for.
The Telegraph
Apologies if this has already been posted: From Yahoo -

Prince Harry makes ‘eleventh hour attempt to change tell-all memoirs’
Gordon Rayner
Sun, 25 September 2022 at 7:55 pm


Prince Harry has made an eleventh-hour attempt to tone down parts of his forthcoming autobiography because he fears being vilified for it in the wake of the Queen’s death, according to reports.

The Duke of Sussex is worried that some of the revelations in his book “might not look so good” following the public outpouring of support for the monarchy, both at home and abroad, it is claimed.

The book, part of a three-title deal worth £36.8 million, is expected to be published this autumn, but the Duke is now said to be worried that it will be ill-timed as his father the King begins his reign.

He reportedly wants to make “refinements” to the manuscript, which had already been signed off by publishers Penguin Random House, though industry sources have questioned whether it might be too late.

Having invested such a huge sum of money in the Duke’s memoirs, the publishers are likely to want the book to be as revelatory as possible. The Duke had already been told to revise the manuscript after it was regarded as “too touchy-feely”, according to The Mail on Sunday, with too much of it taken up with his mental health struggles.
A separate report in The Sun on Sunday claimed that the publishers found the first draft “disappointing” and “too emotional”.

A source told both newspapers that: “Harry has thrown a spanner in the works as he is desperate to get it refined in the light of the Queen’s death, her funeral and his father Charles taking the throne.
“There may be things which might not look good if they come out so soon after the Queen’s death and his dad becoming King.
“He wants sections changed. It’s not a total rewrite by any means. He desperately wants to make changes. But it might be too late.”
No release date for the book has yet been made public, though it is understood that the publishers want it to be on the shelves in the US before Thanksgiving on November 24 so that it will hit the all-important Christmas market.
The Duke was reportedly paid an £18.4m advance for the three books, which has been ghost-written by Pulitzer Prize-winning American author JR Moehringer.

Rather than watering down the memoir, it remains possible that the publishers will want the Duke to add detail about what happened after the Queen’s death when there were clear tensions between Prince Harry, his brother Prince William and the King over his own part in the events leading up to the funeral and that of the Duchess of Sussex.

It comes as fresh claims about the Duchess were made in the book Courtiers: The Hidden Power Behind the Crown by royal writer Valentine Low.

It claims that royal staff called Meghan a “narcissistic sociopath” and that aides referred to themselves as the “Sussex Survivors Club”.
Before the Duke and Duchess of Sussex stood down from royal duties, royal household staff thought there was a potential compromise for them to carry on with part-time royal duties, only for the late Queen to veto the idea, according to Low.

Five different scenarios were discussed, including giving the couple one month a year off so they could spend their time however they wanted, and some senior courtiers even believed they could apply the same model to junior members of the Royal family in the future.

However, the Queen insisted that if the couple were not prepared to abide by the rules that restricted all working members of the Royal family - which meant they could not take on paid work - they could not carry out any royal duties at all.

Another new book, The New Royals, by author Katie Nicholl, claims the late Queen was surprised when Meghan wore white on her wedding day, believing that as a divorcee she should have worn off-white.

A spokesman for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex declined to comment.
CatEyes said…
GABikerGirlnsaid...

"Correct me if I'm wrong, but if palace staff signed NDA's then it was to protect the palace/monarchy -not the individuals. Therefore the palace/monarchy would be responsible for suing."
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Most likely the NDA covered * and H as part of the monarchy.

Not being a lawyer but I have some contractual legal knowledge so I believe it is a contract both parties (monarchy and the employees) must adhere to the terms.

"NDAs, or non-disclosure agreements, are legally enforceable contracts that create a “confidential relationship” between a person who has sensitive information and a person who will gain access to that information. A confidential relationship means one or both parties has a duty not to share that information."

However a judge can invalidate the NDA:
"An NDA should be reasonable and specific about what's considered confidential and non-confidential. Language that is too broad, unreasonable or onerous can void an agreement. Courts will also challenge or invalidate agreements that are overly expansive, oppressive or try to cover non-confidential information.

I'm thinking Low must have a sound legal reason why these employees could talk to him. Some of the events he discribed were in the public view or previously reported in other publications (such as people seeing the young female employee crying, the observed actions of Meghan at the Fiji market, previously reported incidents regarding Harry's abusive behavior and what he said to Angela Kelly, etc...) I imagine the employees who were in the employees "Sussex Survivor Club" were an exclusiove group whose behavior and remarks were strickly between themselves and besides this info was already in the media.

A legal article has this insightful view:
"Kelly DuFord, cofounder of DuFord Law, said while there are valid reasons for companies to ask employees to sign NDAs, those reasons “should be limited to protecting business practices and property information. Not culture and harassment in the workplace.”

"While NDAs are legally binding, there needs to be a balance of power in order for them to be enforceable. Most NDAs are connected with a severance package or final paycheck. If employee’s sign, they forfeit their right to speak out. If they don’t, they forfeit their right to receive a severance or final pay.

Are NDAs enforceable in UK?
Once information is made public in anyway, an NDA can't be enforced. Some information could be kept confidential forever.

From another UK attorney:
"There can be a tendency to try to lock down confidential information as strictly as possible but, if you go too far, you risk the agreement being unlawful and unenforceable – if this happens; it’s again as if the agreement does not exist. A balance is needed here.

So I think the employees are on safe ground as to their comments despite an NDA. Besides Valentine Low is not bound by an NDA. But I welcome an attorney to chime in as my opinion is from an amateur in the US.

[I won't even get into the legal doctrine (both in the UK& US) of "unclean hands" which may bar M$H from asking for equitable relief if they felt they had a claim arising from the employees statements Low used.

Girl with a Hat said…
this made me cry.

https://twitter.com/HRH_William_/status/1574131401569492993
Maneki Neko said…
H is now trying to 'tone down parts of his forthcoming autobiography because he fears being vilified for it.'

A bit late, isn't it? As I wrote in the previous post, if he was genuinely concerned about not upsetting his family, he wouldn't have written the book at all or done the O interview. I think he may be past caring as far as hurting his family is concerned but he does care about titles and money. Certainly the wife does.

If he wants to amend his autobiography, it's because he fears the repercussions, i.e. he's/TBW is worried about titles for the sprogs and possibly money.
OCGal said…
@Girl with a Hat, you gave s link which made you cry: https://twitter.com/HRH_William_/status/1574131401569492993

Thank you, it made me cry, too. Good tears of joy for a life brilliantly well-and-long-lived, but also tears of sorrow for what we have lost in her passing.
Hikari said…
If Valentine Low had unprecedented access in reporting verbatim conversations between the Suxxits and their embattled staff, or was able to publish frank reminisces of people who worked for them… I can only assume that he was permitted access to interview them, and that permission was expressly given by the Palace. Any NDAs which employees signed are between them and the employer—in this case, the Queen and her representatives. Palace couriers were assigned to the Sussexes, but their ultimate boss was the Queen. Their employment and salaries were through her, not the Sussexes. MeMe did not get the memo; her staff was on loan to her by the Queen and their NDAs were with the Royal Household, not her personally.

It’s a sure bet that they have been given permission to talk. Low is well-known to the family and has been an integral part of the press Rota for years. The Times is a respectable paper, not a tabloid. I think he has been anointed the Palace messenger and through him the RF is releasing the true story. Due to accusations of racism and driving Harry’s wife to the brink of suicide, they are letting the truth out via a third-party. I don’t know how long this book would have been in the pipeline; certainly for longer than the Queen was visibly ill. It’s been 2 1/2 long years of incessant drama since the Suxxits upped sticks to California. Valentine’s book may have been put on a fast track after the death of Philip and the fall-our from the interview seen round the world. That interview coincided exactly with the end of their one year review period, And up until then the Queen may have hoped that Harry would see sense and agree to come back home. The shockingly cavalier Way in which Harry responded to the final illness of his grandfather was the Rubicon, I think. Harry had crossed beyond it in a shocking act of betrayal, and I don’t think it matters a tick what he does henceforth—he will never again be trusted or encouraged to return. That was his response right there, and there’s no doubt the incendiary memoir is only going to be petrol on the bonfire that is already going.

Harry is like Macbeth…a kinsman and high-ranking general to a King who wholeheartedly consorted with evil and allowed himself to be infected with murderous ambition. He goes from being a beloved honorary son of the King to being executed like a rabid cur because that’s what he becomes. Only the restoration of the true king to the throne and the complete obliteration of the evil assassin pretender restores health to the kingdom. One feels sorry a bit for Mac at the start because he *appears* to be a loyal retainer who is forced into an irrevocable act of betrayal by a domineering and rabidly ambitious spouse Who puts eagle whispers into his ear and ridicules his masculinity if he does not act as she directs. But we rapidly lose sympathy for Macbeth because the fact is, flattering witches or no, no man who is good flips to the dark side on a dime if he wasn’t already poised to go there with only the tiniest pushes. Such a man was never good to begin with but it was only presenting the facsimile of it. Harry is the same. Like Macbeth’s wife, his wife has pried the lid off All of his darkest tendencies. I think he’s hated his father for the last 25 years if not longer and he’s relishing sticking the knife in. He just doesn’t like the consequences of what comes after. A thoroughly odious person who has found his gutter level with the thing he stood up in church before God and profaned himself to marry. He can go to the devil along with his spouse. They foul the very air they breathe.
Girl with a Hat said…
@CatEyes

NDA's are unenforceable if there has been any illegal activity involved, and where I am, psychological harassment falls in that category
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Girl with a Hat said…
are the invictus games a scam?

https://twitter.com/WeAreNot_Amused/status/1573862665654792192
Anonymous said…
If money is the big concern, H could still release Part 2 of his memoirs covering recent events and future events where he feels slighted. H$M complaints and attacks will NEVER cease. Just delay them again and again at a hefty price $$$. Let the memoir be released and whatever credibility the Disastrous Duo have left be destroyed. They are irrelevant to the monarchy at this point, as are their American children. It will be ugly, but the cancerous Sussex's must be cut out. I feel bad for their children who will here about this as they grow up and it will be forever attached to their history. When A&L are adults will they continue to attack the next generation of the monarchy like their parents? Such venom is hard to purge at any age.
Girl with a Hat said…
@Rebecca,

thanks for that article. It sounds like there's a lot of political intrigue of the personal level in Charles' office. I am worried that William won't be so adept at handling it. Charles is a disaster at that level. He tries to be too nice, I think, and cannot detect the sharks around him.
Enbrethiliel said…
@Sandie

You're right that delaying a book already at the printer would be extremely costly. And if Harry's memoirs originally had a November release date, then we can presume it already got to the printer. We all know that Harry has terrible impulse control, so the theory that he wants to add a new chapter on recent events holds water. What I ask is whether it would make sense from the publisher's perspective to go through printing the memoir as is and to save his side of September 2022 for a "sequel"?

@Girl with a Hat
I use past behaviour to predict future behaviour. So, knowing these two odious individuals, I believe it is to ADD offensive comments, particularly with respect to William and Catherine.

Maybe I'm just once again underestimating the combined malice of a narc and a manchild (and now coupling it with a lack of experience in publishing), but it just seems to me that this side of the story can wait. And that even those who want to profit from the Dollars' poor relationship with the BRF can see that. The memoir was always meant to be about his childhood and the impact of losing his mother. We all knew it was a "Diana book." All of the recent events happened to him as an adult and have nothing to do with Diana. Drawing on the little ghostwriting experience I do have, I'd think it's obvious that they belong in a whole other book -- that, indeed, to shoehorn them into this one would mess with the "symmetry" of the writing. Not that the Dollars would care, of course, but you'd think a publisher with more to lose would!
Henrietta said…
Fifi LaRue said...

@Henrietta: CKIII will not give the children titles simply because he's never met them, and has no knowledge of their actual existence...Eugenie didn't meet them when she was in California.

I've never heard this about Eugenie before. Can you remember where you heard it?

Observant One said…
@Hikari - That was a VERY well written comment. It was a joy to read. MacBeth was an excellent choice for your analogy.

I had the same thought about the staff’s NDAs. They were agreements between the employer and the individual employee. It actually seems as though specific staff members were selected to speak with Mr. Low, perhaps those with well-known reputations among the public.

I earnestly hope that it is too late to make changes in the friar’s memoir. I am ready for this couple to suffer some consequences for their hurtful lies.
KnitWit said…
@Wild Boar Battle-maid, I feel I am a magnet for narcissists and assorted lubatics. In part, it us as your councilor and mine have said, we tend to repeat familial patterns unless we work very hard to change that. John Bradshaw explains this very well in his books. Sins of the mother in my case.

@Swampwoman,I agree with you re. M's distance from black america. She needs group therapy with a room of southern baptist grandmothers. I would pay to see that!

M's only chance of a big payday is as a TV reality housewife. I don't watch those shows, but I would watch that!

Re: H's book, the publishers want to make money. They will be anxious to publish while there is such interest in the royal family.

I agree H may have misjudged the public's acceptance of C&C. I was surprised that it was so positive.

Ready for the f ton of Sussex dirt.
Enbrethiliel said…
@Hikari
During Harry’s wife’s elephantine pregnancy, it was announced that after a suitable period—six months?... Enough time for the baby to be a few months old, that the couple would relocate to Africa for half the year and do charitable work there. Does anyone remember this?

I sure do! I also remember, with some discomfiture, reading a comment on some other blog that undoubtedly did crow that "an African" was being "sent back to Africa." Fortunately, like the lone "straight out of Compton" article in the press, that was an isolated opinion.

For me, it was a case of giving the Dollars what they had been loudly saying they wanted -- particularly *. She had been trying to tie herself to the Commonwealth since the engagement interview, when she spoke about "being able to go around the Commonwealth." (I recall a reaction video with two British YouTubers howling over that line. If you knew the size and scope of the Commonwealth, you'd never casually talk about "going around" as if were a shopping district in town.) And then, of course, there were the flowers she insisted on having embroidered into that monstrosity of a bridal veil. Plus, Harry had always enjoyed being in Africa (which they made a setting in their "love story" early on) and was supposedly committed to Sentebale. It made sense for them to live there in order: a) to focus on what they themselves claimed to be most passionate about; b) to carve a separate "brand" from the then Duke and Duchess of Cambridge; and c) to live with as much privacy as possible while being senior working royals. It was a perfect half-in, half-out arrangement, if that was what they indeed wanted!

I suspect that the main reason * displayed such slovenly behavior during the South African tour was to burn that bridge before she even crossed it. An early picture taken at the High Commissioner's mansion shows the South African staff staring daggers at their pale-faced "sister." Later, she went to a mosque cosplaying as a homeless bag lady, offending every Muslim in the country (if not the world). To top it all off, even after (supposedly) learning about the deprivations and sufferings of the people of South Africa, she had the audacity to whine that nobody had asked her if she was "okay." It was the opposite of endearing herself to the people of a Commonwealth country and the opposite of representing the Crown with dignity and honor. It was also, as she must have intended, a foretaste of what BP could expect if they dispatched her to a continent she felt she was too good for.
Henrietta said…
Hikari said...

It’s a sure bet that they have been given permission to talk. Low is well-known to the family and has been an integral part of the press Rota for years...I think he has been anointed the Palace messenger and through him the RF is releasing the true story...they are letting the truth out via a third-party. I don’t know how long this book would have been in the pipeline; certainly for longer than the Queen was visibly ill. It’s been 2 1/2 long years of incessant drama since the Suxxits upped sticks to California...

I really, really agree with you. And it is such a departure from ERII's never-complain/never-explain strategy that I wonder how someone talked her into it. Maybe William played a role?

Also really agree about the NDAs, which also lands this decision right at the Queen's desk. She would have had to waive the NDAs --something that Liar clearly didn't expect or she wouldn't have so openly bragged about how she had never signed one.
Enbrethiliel said…
@Rebecca

Thanks for the excerpt about King Charles. It's hardly flattering to the new King, but it proves that Valentine Low can be critical of all the players in this drama and that he isn't just out to get the Dollars. Even the tidbits about Prince William's managerial style have a slight edge to them. He sounds like a good boss in comparison to his father, but after that intense look at Charles in the preceding paragraphs, the reader must be waiting for the other shoe to drop!
DesignDoctor said…
@KnitWit
I, too, am surprised at the warm, accepting reception KC and C received.
I also hope it is too late and the publication goes as scheduled. He wrote and submitted it. Let the words fall as the daggers they were intended to be. Show the real, unvarnished thoughts and perceptions. Let there be natural consequences for actions. Ignoring the illnesses of the grandparents and rubbing salt in the wounds by the OW interview. What caring grandson does that?
Chasing the almighty dollar solely to get rich has never led to happiness.

SwampWoman said…
KnitWit said:

I agree H may have misjudged the public's acceptance of C&C. I was surprised that it was so positive.

KCIII and QC have been doing all the work that the Ginger Pirate Prince and his Booty felt was too far below their stations to do for a very long time. Had they done so without feeling harshly used, they too might be beloved by the people that they pretend to represent while openly despising them.

/Yes, all of this silly work is fine for QE2 and future KCIII and Queen Consort, but we're too good for that.

SwampWoman said…
Whenever I read something extremely silly about "It is understood that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex are both suffering from chapped bottoms over the issue of royal titles for the children which may or may not exist", I just want to scream.

Those Red Boxes are really commodious. KCIII is getting daily updates about war in Ukraine, Hindus vs. Muslims in England, the prospect of annihilation via nuclear war, who really shot President Kennedy, etc. Compared to HIS worries, the Chapped Bottoms of Montecito nagging him about not giving royal titles to a couple of toddlers must be very low on his to-do list.

It isn't like preschoolers are going to care.
Enbrethiliel said…
Re: being a "magnet" for narcs and other users

It really seems that if we don't work on certain necessary aspects of our character, we must repeat the lesson, at harder and harder levels, until we finally do. I've seen examples in my own life.

Take a friend of mine who wasn't keen to get a job after graduation. His family overlooked it since he helped a lot around the house. And he didn't mind becoming what he himself called "the family slave" because he got occasional gifts like a Playstation to make it worthwhile. After one sister had her first baby, she asked him to live with her and her husband, "to help out" for a while. He ended up providing free housekeeping (cooking, cleaning, etc.) and childcare until her third child was old enough for school. When that gig was up, another sister asked him to do the same for her growing family! Note that he was never paid for this, just given free room and board and the occasional "manchild" present.

When his second sister's family moved away a few months ago, our entire friend group thought he was finally free. And he certainly could have used that time to cement his freedom. But then his family learned that his 97-year-old grandmother wasn't being properly cared for by the aunt she had been living with. So now my friend is a full-time caregiver to an elderly lady! After the first few days, he admitted she was more exhausting than three young children. I asked: "Do you realize that this will keep going on -- that your family will keep finding people for you to take care of -- until you finally take care of yourself?" He saw my point, but also feared giving up the familiar for the scary world of the unknown.

A psychologist has said that the "quarter-life crisis" that comes in our mid-20s (coinciding with astrology's "Saturn return") is about learning to be responsible. This usually happens with a job or other publicly recognized role (like stay-at-home parent). If you don't choose an area in which to take responsibility, then others will impose one upon you until you finally do. And I think this is what makes us "narc magnets." But while my friend was able to avoid becoming a victim, Harry was not.

We know now that the responsibilities Harry seemed happy to take on in his 20s were a mere mirage. He went to Afghanistan to play video games and was an empty figurehead for Invictus and Sentebale. He let others tell him what to do, as long as he still got a slice of the hooker and drugs pie. To find something he might actually want to commit to? Ugh, that would require work! Plus a long process of trial and error and the possibility of failure! So potentially humiliating! Much better to take it easy and to let others direct his choices and take the fall for all mistakes . . . even as he was starting to resent them for it.

When * came along, she was just another version of that, cranked up to narc. She told him who he "really" was and dictated what role he would play. She probably never curtailed his "extracurricular" proclivities. She promised he could keep up a luxurious lifestyle, as long as he did as she said. And he went along although it was toxic because it was already the same thing he had been choosing for years, just with bigger brass rings.

Again, we're not attracted to what's good for us; we're attracted to what is familiar. And it was familiar for Harry to go along with someone else's agenda as long as he got "fun" out of it and had someone else clean up his messes. Until he finally takes responsibility for directing his own life, he will continue to stay with *. She's offering him the easiest deal for the least amount of work, and he doesn't have the wit to see what he's actually giving up.
Petunia said…
The RF ought to let the Princess Royal handle TBW. Anne is tougher than the rest of the family combined.
Enbrethiliel said…
@KnitWit
I agree H may have misjudged the public's acceptance of C&C. I was surprised that it was so positive.

I think it took everybody by surprise. People had been predicting for decades that he'd be an unpopular "transition" King . . . and even hoping that his mother would outlive him so that the Crown could pass directly to Prince William. As recently as February of this year, the announcement that Camilla would be Queen Consort, and not Princess Consort as originally declared, seemed to confirm the negative sentiment. Heck, King Charles himself seemed taken aback by the warmth with which his subject received him!

This is not the future we were all expecting. But I think it's a future we're all relieved to be living in.

(Well, except for the anti-monarchists . . . Tough luck to them.)
Ralph L said…
Wiki: On his wedding day, 29 April 2011, his grandmother Elizabeth II created him Duke of Cambridge, Earl of Strathearn [Scotland] and Baron Carrickfergus [N Ireland, I assume].

Presumably, George could use one of W's lesser titles now, but perhaps "Prince G of Wales" takes precedence and avoids confusion.
Miz Malaprop said…
@Sandie
RE: Lipstick Alley.

I'm a lurker both here and at the Meagan Markle Unpopular Opinions forum there.

Strangely, the forum has been moved to the "Conspiracy" section of the website now. Why? Well, from what the posters have gathered, Google pulled the ads from that forum only & asked Lipstick Alley to underground the discussion. Only registered members can view the posts. Quite odd, wouldn't you say?

Lipstick Alley allows ALL sorts of salty conversations about all the other RF but the Markle discussion is now hidden from public view. (I used to just read the comments without having to log in).

Brings to mind a question I've always had about Ms. * ... why have so many powerful, accomplished people thrown their weight behind the Harkles? Why is Google itself targeting a silly chat board about a third rate actress? Why have the American media tirelessly flogged her ridiculous tale of woe?

T'is a mystery!
@KnitWit- re boundaries: I've even had to learn `My house, my rules'. Whenever I've had lodgers, I've been too `reasonable' and found that I've been taken advantage of. At work though I stuck to my maxim : `Say `No' nicely - say `No' now!'

Going `No Contact with people you value is emotionally hard but it has to be done.

When I left my narc husband, I went ex-directory so he couldn't contact me by phone and then twist what I said (no dialling 1471 in those days nor answering systems) and contacted him only through my solicitor. I changed my name as well.

Thanks for suggesting Bradshaw - I can't see the title you mention but hisd available ones look helpful.

--------

As for the Harkles, the longer the connection with the Royal Family is allowed to drag on, the more accusations they will think up. Bite the bullet, chaps! Sever the connection as soon as possible - none of us want her posing as `the queen at every coronation'.
@KnitWit - Whoops! I thought `Sins of the Mother' was a title - silly me. For me it was the chapter about narcissists in Terry Apter's `Difficult Mothers'
I'm guessing that in H's tiny mind the only employment he was being prepared for was that of King, even if he had to job-share with his brother.

If `William'n'Mary'(the Orange, according to `1066 and All That') shared the throne, why not `William'n'Harry'?

Thank you, Diana.
xxxxx said…
Hikari-

You laid it out well. People usually obey the NDAs they sign because they don't want to be dragged into court. Sued. The Palace has (less than) zero interest in enforcing any of the NDAs from its staff, that spilled to Mr Low. As you wrote, Mr Low is the conduit for The Palace.

As BLG tweeted -- "Keep an eye out on the media the next few months" "The Queen's shield no longer exists. Expect a metric fu*k ton will "leak" to the press." (by BRF)
https://twitter.com/Knesix/status/1573614612917919745
Maneki Neko said…
@Henrietta

Eugenie and her husband were in California in February where they had a double date with the duo. *, always mindful of her privacy, was sitting by the window.

https://tinyurl.com/449zef5d
snarkyatherbest said…
rumors are that the wife is getting a GQ award and will be in attendance in London in November. someone is determined to meet with charles isn’t she. no mention of the sidekick on what he’s doing. he should be scared. who knows what she will say to the family if anyone is listening. must have some money to buy or i mean get this award. oprah wanting more drama i mean interview.
snarkyatherbest said…
isn’t the go awards on charles birthday. someone is being well obvious. gee. way to ruin a birthday wife ๐Ÿ˜‰
Sandie said…
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1674237/royal-family-live-meghan-markle-prince-harry-king-charles-prince-william-kate-latest

The Duchess of Sussex has been tipped to receive an award at the 2022 GQ Men of the Year awards held at the Tate Modern.

Meghan is expected to attend the event in London in person where her charity work will be celebrated. A source said the evening, which costs £5,999 to attend will be a "massive coup" for Meghan. Insiders suggest changes were made to the date of the event in order to accommodate Meghan and Prince Harry. The source said: "Due to their mini tour of Europe Meghan wouldn’t have been able to attend if awards went ahead on their original date in September. Talks about the evening were already happening before The Queen’s passing so no doubt things will have to be re-evaluated to make sure it’s as respectful as possible.”
Sandie said…
I came across this and thought I would share it here. I'll dig and see if the poster has shared any more.

From Valentine Low’s new book:

When William and Kate’s children were young, and the family were dividing their time between Anmer Hall in Norfolk and Kensington Palace, William told his staff that he did not want them wearing suits when they were in the office. “He wants it to be casual,” said one member of the household. “The kids run around the office, and he does not want it to be stuffy. If we have important meetings, or are going to Buckingham Palace, then of course we [wear suits].” It started with casual Fridays, but then William told them that if they did not have important people coming in for meetings, they could dress casually. “This is where my family lives,” he told them. What they wore did not matter. “You are going to do a professional job.”

It was not just in terms of superficial things like dress code that William wanted his office to be different. When Perkins applied to move from Buckingham Palace to a new job handling press relations at Kensington Palace, one member of William’s team pulled him aside for a quiet word. “We just want to check,” they said. “You did go to a comprehensive school, didn’t you?” Yes, he said.
Sandie said…
Is there a fourth extract in The Times? I thought the third was the last.
Sandie said…
I probably have said this before (!), but the issue with the duo is their character, which will not change. They are entertainment and that is their only redeeming quality.

What is in their character that fundamentally makes them people not to be trusted? Please add to my list:

* They tell lies, without shame or seemingly any self-awareness, all the time. (I cannot think of anyone else in the royal family who does that, other than Andrew in that interview.)
* They engage in grandiose self-promotion while bleating about privacy. (Their definition of privacy is complete control.)
* They are hypocrites, making grandiose pronouncements about values that they do not uphold in their behaviour.
* They chase awards without earning them, whereas the royal family gives awards.

I still feel that I haven't got to the essence ... they are grandiose talentless immature nasty grifters?
Enbrethiliel said…
@Sandie

There was a fourth extract that focused on King Charles. Rebecca shared it earlier, but then deleted it for some reason.
Enbrethiliel said…
@Sandie
A source said the evening, which costs £5,999 to attend will be a "massive coup"

What I want to know is how much * herself paid to get it.

Insiders suggest changes were made to the date of the event in order to accommodate Meghan and Prince Harry.

Who was it who said in the previous thread that Harry always insists that others modify plans to accommodate him but never returns the favor?

I guess the original plan was for the awards to coincide with the release of Harry's memoirs. The memoirs that he is now apparently desperate to rewrite. I'm getting my popcorn ready.
snarkyatherbest said…
i think c&cs popularity was enhanced by the dastardly duo. people saw really bad behavior and not the usual never complain never explain and came to appreciate the respect for the monarch over the years. camilla in the last 20 years is not the camilla of the diana years and tabloid fodder. will be interesting what the Levin book has about her.
Sandie said…
She gets an award from GQ, but he gets nothing. It is his money that she is using for her PR, her itty bitty gift boxes, her jetting around for photo ops ... everything. The lad has been played by a supreme grifter!
Sick-bags at the ready - here's the Sun's version, not quite the same as the Express's above. The usual `unnamed source'?

at https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/19917602/meghan-markle-lined-up-honouree-gq-award/


• Jack Hardwick
• 0:18, 26 Sep 2022
• Updated: 9:58, 26 Sep 2022
MEGHAN Markle is being lined up to receive an honouree award at the 2022 GQ Men of the Year Awards.

This year’s ceremony will be held at the Tate Modern in London on November 16 – with Meghan Markle expected to attend in person.
The swanky showbiz bash is one of the most exclusive events in the UK calendar with David and Victoria Beckham regulars and the likes of Madonna, Dua Lipa and designer to the stars Donatella Versace all attending in previous years.
Insiders said Meghan, 41, was going to be celebrated for her charity work.
A source said: “Meghan has been offered one of the top awards of the evening so it’s a massive coup for her.
“She already has a close relationship with GQ due to her friendship with Vogue’s Editor-In-Chief Edward Enninful which is also owned by Conde Nast.
“Edward is very much seen as a friend rather than a business acquaintance.”
The GQ Men of the Year Awards usually take place in September and were initially due to take place on September 7.
However earlier this summer the event, where tickets cost £5,999, was postponed with no further explanation.
Insiders said the change was put in place solely to accommodate Meghan and Prince Harry should they wish to attend.

The source continued: “Due to their mini tour of Europe Meghan wouldn’t have been able to attend if awards went ahead on their original date in September.

“Talks about the evening were already happening before The Queen’s passing so no doubt things will have to be re-evaluated to make sure it’s as respectful as possible.”


It's 2 days after the King's Birthday. How very convenient for her.

Wouldn't she have to be a bloke to be thus honoured? Lined up? Not definite?

Is it a reliable source? Hmm.

It's time her visa was rescinded. After all, why does she want to come to this nasty racist country? When will she be declared Persona Non Grata?
Apologies @Sandie - I thought the Express version didn't mention the eye-watering ticket price - it does.
Sandie said…
Mr Sean told viewers on his YouTube channel: "According to a very good source, Meghan did not actually think she was going to be invited.

"She was resigned to that fact, and totally understood if that was the case.

"Apparently, she did not want the focus to be on her."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1674149/Meghan-Markle-Duchess-Sussex-Queen-Elizabeth-II-state-funeral-invite-latest-news-vn

She really does think a lot of herself doesn't she?
Sandie said…
@WBBM

It is quite astonishing how using PR to publish gushing, and untruthful, statements about herself, and hoovering up pathetic awards, and giving speeches seems to be her strategy for cultivating an image. Stupid people buy it, but most people are not that stupid.

Am I petty to say I hope GQ gets cancelled?

And another public humiliation for the handbag husband, who will be paying for the private jets, the ill-fitting designer gown, the new itty bitty jewellery, the make up guy ...
VetusSacculi said…
Sandie said:
What is in their character that fundamentally makes them people not to be trusted? Please add to my list:

They fail to understand that the royal family is a vector to attract interest and finance to other people and causes, not themselves.


She's obviously paying for a PR push with magazine corporations - we had the Hearst Corporation last week with their identical ads on Twitter for Cosmopolitan etc. Now she's tapping up Conde Nast 'cos she's buddies with the Vogue editor.
NeutralObserver said…
Conde Nast must still think that the 5s fit into a tiny part of their business plan. Mr. 5 made a Zoom appearance last September at the same event. Piers Morgan & his wife, Celia Walden, were there in person, right after Ofcam ruled in favor of him when dealing *'s complaint against him. LOL. Maybe something similar will happen this year!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9949175/Prince-Harry-blames-media-vaccine-hesitancy-hours-losing-Ofcom-bid-silence-Piers-Morgan.html
Karla said…
GQ

Interestingly, such an event will take place two days after Charles's first birthday as king. Isn't he from 14.Nov? Poor KCIII
Hikari said…
Interestingly, such an event will take place two days after Charles's first birthday as king. Isn't he from 14.Nov? Poor KCIII

I don't know if it will even cross Charles's radar on his birthday that TwitWit's grasping wife is collecting a silly magazine award. Maybe I'm missing something, but why is Harry's wife getting an award from Gentlemen's Quarterly? We know how much Rachel enjoys the gentlemen (as long as she's being paid upfront) and they her . . .

It's hard to imagine that a silly awards ceremony for a silly fashion rag will overshadow the King's birthday--his first without Mummy will be a rather subdued occasion, I suppose--but I think 16 November would be an excellent time to release a charming portrait of King Charles surrounded by all his 'real' grandchildren at his 'real' birthday party. Be sure to mention that Catherine took the picture. And while we are at it, perhaps a few discreet calls to Vogue could result in an announcement that the new Princess of Wales will be the cover girl for a special Christmas issue. What a coup!

Twunt wants to play hardball? Bring it.
Equality?

All people are equal but we are more equal then others?

Enough to make a cat laugh.
Hikari said…
P.S. Mrs Twunt is receiving an award at the GQ MEN of the Year awards.

What do British men have to award * for? My mind dredges up a number of things, none of them flattering to *. H nowhere in sight at a MEN of the Year awards show. Mystifying. Do we suppose he'll attend and sit in the audience holding her purse or what?

Lady C. did a whole video on the persistent rumor floating around that * is actually an intersex person that has male parts. Lady C. herself knows from firsthand what this is like. I found it very interesting that she seemed to confirm this rumor without out-and-out saying so. She didn't deny it, either, quite pointedly did not deny it. It was more a gauzy 'it's possible' impression.

The next few months are certain to be very eventful in Sussex World.

Enbrethiliel said…
Re: "Apparently, she did not want the focus to be on her."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh, my aching sides . . . In this case, she must be positively chuffed that the candle made sure she wouldn't be in focus.

@Sandie, was Mr. Sean saying this with a straight face or with his tongue firmly in his cheek?
Natalier said…
Bwahahaha! Meghan's PR people bought for her the same GQ Award that Amber Heard purchased in 2017. I really couldn't believe all the coincidences between Amber and Meghan.

https://www.fropky.com/amber-heard-2017-men-the-year-awards-sydney-vt64777.html

We suspect it was bought for her by Elon Musk.
Natalier said…
@Sandie

Everyone knows that the GQ award that Amber Heard received in 2017 was bought - she had barely started on her activism then but was regularly pictured either drunk or high out of her head most of the time and she still won that award. That award is basically for sale to the highest bidder and Meghan's team won the bidding this year. What a joke!
Natalier said…
GQ Woman of The Year:

2017 Amber Heard
2018 Emily Ratajkowski

I think that tell you all you need to know about this joke award. If you don't know Emily R, she is only famous for baring and flashing her pair of assets. Basically, that she all she does.
@Hikari-

Ostensibly, the award's for her `charity work'.

Excuse me while I splutter into my tea.

The real reason `why?' My guess is that she elbowed all the other contenders out of the way. Or the organisers thought they'd express their view of the UK - who better to signal that particular piece of virtue?

Or they are blind, stone deaf and pig-ignorant of what's really been going on.
Enbrethiliel said…
@Hikari
And while we are at it, perhaps a few discreet calls to Vogue could result in an announcement that the new Princess of Wales will be the cover girl for a special Christmas issue. What a coup!

Catherine would make * the most furious, of course, but I'd honestly like to see Sophie on a cover of Vogue UK this year.

I also think that * has been effectively spayed. No matter what stunts she pulls in the UK from now on, no one will really care. She has become the sloppy drunk aunt whom everyone ignores at reunions.
Fifi LaRue said…
@Henrietta: It's the dog that didn't bark in the night.
Sandie said…
Is the GQ award actually anti-women?

If those are the kinds of women they give awards to, they don't think much of women!
Enbrethiliel said…
Based on this illustrated list of GQ Women of the Year on GQ Australia's site . . .

https://www.gq.com.au/men-of-the-year/event-coverage/take-a-look-at-gqs-previous-women-of-the-year/image-gallery/30d984d8cf0b28244378a0d3d2ca20e0?pos=7

. . . they mostly pick young, fit women who are happy to pose in various stages of undress.

In which case I see why * wants one of her photos in the same gallery.

What I find unfathomable, however, is the implication that * has incredible sex appeal.

Then again, we're primarily ladies here, who would all agree that any natural attractiveness * might possess is drowned out by the ugliness of her character. A man who occasionally drops by has suggested (facetiously or otherwise) that the main reason we dislike * is that we envy what she has -- which would include her physical assets. I think everyone here sees both * and themselves with somewhat clear eyes, but also with some myopia. If every Nutty reading this asked a neutral, disinterested male normie whether he thought * would sell lads' mags as a centerfold, what would the answer be?
@Natalier

I pretty much assumed the GQ award had to been bought, honestly can anyone seriously believe Maggot is deserving of an award for her benevolence?! Charity begins at home, and in Maggots case that means for herself What a joke! ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ๐Ÿ˜ 
Fifi LaRue said…
The GQ Woman of the Year is laughable! Of course, Hairy bought it for her.

It reminds me of when I was a veteran teacher. A new, young teacher, two years into the district was up for the Teacher of the Year Award. She came into work about 50% of the time, was adled out of her head on various medications, etc. Her supervisors from her other position would come in to see her, and no one knew where she he was. No call in sick, nothing. A little research, and found out she pulled the same stunt in another state. Two-year teacher, and up for Teacher of the Year. Her mommy, a retired principal, was pulling strings for her.

It's all smoke and mirrors. Amber Heard and Emily Ratjowkowski are often in celebrity gossip sites, and no one in a decent frame of mind would want to be associated with either of them. So, Twat will be in appropriate company. You all know that the meaning of a Gentlemen's Club refers to strippers, lap dancers, etc.? In this case, it's high-cost sex workers.
Observant One said…
@Sandie

It is frustrating to try to find enough descriptive qualities to define their essence. While looking through some information on egocentrism, I found some additional traits to add to your list:

Preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, or beauty
View themselves as extraordinarily worthy or important
Singularly focused on own perception and opinion. No one else’s is ever considered.

@Miz Malaprop Thank you for that interesting tea from the Lipstick Alley silencing. Indeed it is another example of the couple attempting to block the freedom of expression of others.
Karla said…
King's birthday

I was thinking that H&M will wish a loving invitation to the king's birthday. Another attempt to meet up with him or cast shadow on his festivities. After all, she is such a great name, capable of overshadowing the queen's funeral.....๐Ÿคฃ
ieschew said…
I wonder if the award was SS’s final gift to her before they dropped her. I can imagine that she of the misguided PR strategy forced them to push her forward for this despite their advice—and they made sure that she got it this year. Awards shows are a bit cringe-y these days, now that we all know they can be bought and it’s no longer okay to ask red carpet questions like “Who are you wearing?” All the worse when they are awards from a dying industry like misogynistic print magazines (I have to disagree about the Vogue cover for the Princess of Wales! I think she is way above that now). Never mind that those who truly are charitable and service-minded would be mortified to win an award without evidence that they’d actually accomplished any good works. But congratulations, Rachel, if this makes you feel better! #itsover #grasping

All of that said, I do think the new king is already facing some bumpy roadways. The mourning period ends today and it will have been a brief honeymoon. I hope he will be able to navigate them with a quiet, calm strength.
OCGal said…
@ Wild Boar Battle-maid, you wrote:

“I'm guessing that in H's tiny mind the only employment he was being prepared for was that of King, even if he had to job-share with his brother.

If “William'n'Mary' (the Orange, according to`1066 and All That') shared the throne, why not `William'n'Harry'?”

That tickled my funny bone, although not in a good way. Maybe I should better describe it as gripping my intestines painfully.

I loved your waggish use of “‘n’” in place of “&” or “and” in order to reveal what a laughably half-witted delusional idea co-regency would be.

“William'n'Harry”…what a flocking nightmare. Harry himself…what a flocking nightmare. Harry’n’Meghan…a catastrophe.

Maneki Neko said…
@Sandie

To add to your list of what makes them people not to be trusted, I'd say they can stab you in the back without compunction.
Fifi LaRue said…
GQ appearance = Twat's earnestly seeking the next husband.
She's advertising her wares.
I'm predicting low cut dress with thigh-high slit, 5-inch heels, hair draped all over the place. Nothing demure.
snarkyatherbest said…
fifi. netflix prob had a hand in it too and maybe the last remains SS Pr. or is this another will they or won’t they just to take away from king charles

also predictable pr. she was more than happy to watch on tv (standing in windsor with her sugars and an american film crew talking about how racist the family is). yeah and why was the film delayed on the finally day the queen died. making harry look demanding and her looking reasonable. so is this the new pr? when scoobie doo confirms i will believe it
@Fifi - Once, `Gentlemen's Club' referred only to long-established organisations in Pall Mall, with leather armchairs, where upper-class chaps went to socialise, gamble - and escape from women.

White's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White%27s) is the oldest, dating from 1693. They were satirised by PG Wodehouse - Bertie Wooster belonged to The Drones Club.

How times have changed! Now a euphemism for strip clubs, clip joints and lap-dancing establishments. Is the GQ award for the woman they'd most like to see performing in such a place?
snarkyatherbest said…
hmmm saw on twitter that the harkles and any have been moved below princess alexandria on the royal family website. if true we are already seeing movements of distinguishing working and non working royals.
Anonymous said…
Yahoo is headlining "King Charles sees hope for relationship with Duke and Duchess of Sussex"

Gag

https://www.yahoo.com/news/king-sees-hope-relationship-duke-144427030.html
Enbrethiliel said…
@Miz Malprop
Strangely, the forum has been moved to the "Conspiracy" section of the website now. Why? Well, from what the posters have gathered, Google pulled the ads from that forum only & asked Lipstick Alley to underground the discussion. Only registered members can view the posts. Quite odd, wouldn't you say?

This silencing, as @Observant One calls it, is ironically very, very loud.
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OKay said…
Enbrethiliel said...

If every Nutty reading this asked a neutral, disinterested male normie whether he thought * would sell lads' mags as a centerfold, what would the answer be?
_________
I asked my husband very neutrally, "Is Meghan Markle an attractive woman?"

His response: "She's pretty...until she opens her mouth. But she's not sexy at all."

Just one man's opinion!
Sandie said…
@Observant One said... Singularly focused on own perception and opinion. No one else’s is ever considered.

Yes, that was the concept that was eluding me! They are totally self-absorbed.
@Sandie -

As far as I understand it, the most accurate view of their `essence' is that they do not have an essence. They have no authentic self, but one built up from what they've gleaned from others. There's a huge Black Hole within their psyches which they attempt to fill with this constructed self.

Paradoxically, there is nobody there. It's a situation somewhere between ` Gertrude Stein's `There is no There, there' and `The lights are on but there's nobody at home'.

SwampWoman said…
These nonsensical 'award ceremonies' appear to be a means of fleecing people with more money than sense.
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Karla said…
Sussex have been moved down on RF site!!

https://www.royal.uk/royal-family
Maneki Neko said…

I was a bit surprised to see * lined up for GQ Men of the Year. As for the charity work, I wondered what that could be. I had a quick look at the DM comments and everyone was asking what charity work? What a joke when there are ordinary people with cancer, for instance, who have managed to raise enormous amount of money, such as the late Dame Deborah James who raised nearly £7 million to fund "clinical trials and research into personalised medicine for cancer patients and supporting campaigns to raise awareness of bowel cancer".
The award is supposed to take place in September but was moved to November to accommodate the 5s. Are they so busy? They probably want an audience with Charles.

@Hikari

What a splendid idea about a charming portrait of King Charles surrounded by all his 'real' grandchildren at his 'real' birthday party. Be sure to mention that Catherine took the picture. And while we are at it, perhaps a few discreet calls to Vogue could result in an announcement that the new Princess of Wales will be the cover girl for a special Christmas issue. What a coup! I wish the Palace could make a few calls and arrange both your suggestions.

Maneki Neko said…
A couple of paragraphs from V Low's book

Prince Charles is a demanding boss with a 'fierce temper and a ferocious work ethic' who sometimes 'falls under the spell' of outside advisers, according to a new book quoting former employees.
. . .
While the King is 'very demanding of himself' he expects similar from his staff, with phone calls coming 'at any time' until 11pm at night and even at Christmas - the book claims.


Now who does this remind you of? 'fierce temper and a ferocious work ethic' and 'phone calls at any time'? Without the context, you'd think of * straight away. I wonder if V Low has tried to find a few faults with Charles (and possibly others) so that his book doesn't read like a hatchet job on TBW. That way, TBW can't complain of racism/discrimination/defamation etc.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11250217/King-Charles-demanding-boss-fierce-temper-ferocious-work-ethic.html
SwampWoman said…
I noticed that the anti-Markle thread was no longer available at Lipstick Alley. That is the only one that I read, so didn't know that it had been threatened by Google.

That censoring of opinion is just one of the (many) reasons that I have largely left Google. I use Gmail as a spam catcher and never delete it (grin). Have fun reading and ordering from the penis-enlarging scams that Gmail always somehow let go through but would censor newsletters from other sites.

Many of the YouTube folks that I used to watch on YouTube have moved on to freer venues.
Observant One said…
From Lipstick Alley MmUnpopular Opinions thread this morning:

The “Handout Harkles” have had their profiles on the RF website moved. They are now below Princess Alexandra and just above the Duke of York, who is at the bottom! God Save The King! Sofia and Edward moved up to positions following The Wales’. Princess Anne is after the Wessexes. Maybe, she is planning to cut back a bit in the future. God knows she deserves to.

The tea on LA indicates that * has been “nominated for an award at GQ, but not confirmed to win it.” However, it’s more likely they bought and secured the award.
Hikari said…
Embre,

Catherine would make * the most furious, of course, but I'd honestly like to see Sophie on a cover of Vogue UK this year.

For sure. How about this?--a cover and inside spreadfeaturing "The Merry Wives of Windsor" at Christmas, with a lovely group shot of QC Camilla, Catherine and Sophie in a well-appointed festive room, as they talk about Christmas traditions in the RF and reminisce about some holiday memories with the Queen? I think Camilla is sufficiently down to earth that she'd be amenable to sharing a cover with the other two.

Vogue doesn't deserve such a piece but another magazine would jump on it, I bet. Even though magazine issues are laid out months in advance, if calls were made to the right people and this got organized sharpish, I'd say a number of publications would happily shelve part of their December plans to run with a special Royal access spread instead, if it was impressed upon them that this honor was time-sensitive. And KC would warmly approve it if it was put to him that this was part of Operation Shatter Tungsten.

I also think that * has been effectively spayed. No matter what stunts she pulls in the UK from now on, no one will really care. She has become the sloppy drunk aunt whom everyone ignores at reunions.

Spayed, lol. Well, I think she was effectively spayed years ago which is why I do not believe she is the mother of two children out of her own body. I can't imagine her coming to the UK alone without Hazzard's arm to clutch in a death-grip. I think the Foreign Office could quietly arrange to revoke her right to enter the UK unless she's travelling with Harry. Can't they do that with known agitators with foreign passports? Likewise, the U.S. State Department needs to take a hard look at whatever VIP visa Hazzard is currently on and evaluate whether that 'Extraordinary Person' status is still warranted. Simply being married to a citizen isn't enough to grant permanent residency status, and without any official diplomatic function, something like a drug offense or even too many speeding tickets would be an excuse to send him home.

Harry must have been fantasizing for years about how his life would become even more rarified once he was the Son of the King and not just Gan-Gan's grandson. He's rarified all right--he hails from one country and lives in another, and neither country wants him. Same goes for TBW. They are a no-man's land unto themselves.
Henrietta said…
Maneki Neko said...

@Henrietta

Eugenie and her husband were in California in February where they had a double date with the duo. *, always mindful of her privacy, was sitting by the window.


I remember the visit; I just don't remember Eugenie's saying she didn't see the kids.


Blogger Fifi LaRue said...

@Henrietta: It's the dog that didn't bark in the night.

I'm sorry. You've lost me!
Girl with a Hat said…
https://twitter.com/appleinsider/status/1574332570904526850

Oprah has been markled. Apple Tv didn't renew her contract but will work with her on a project by project basis.
Girl with a Hat said…
I also read that the Royal Family website has been updated and no titles for the dolls in Montecito
Girl with a Hat said…
https://pagesix.com/2022/09/25/prince-harry-was-obsessed-with-keeping-archies-birth-private-book/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

Harry was morbidly obsessed with keeping Archie's birth private from pagesix.
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Enbrethiliel said…
@GWAH
Oprah has been markled. Apple Tv didn't renew her contract but will work with her on a project by project basis.

Ooof! But will this only make her more desperate to get back on the air, to the point that she will rush another sure-fire ratings grabber -- a.k.a. a second interview with the Dollars?
Rebecca said…
@Sandie
I deleted the Valentine Low extract about the King because I worried it might not be of interest here, as it doesn’t directly concern
Twit and Twat. I will repost it here:

Charles listens to outsiders. He ‘falls under people’s spell’
The new king has a fierce temper and a history of seeking advice in unconventional places. By Valentine Low


Richard Aylard, who was Charles’s private secretary in the first half of the 1990s, was at home one weekend when the phone rang. It was Charles’s butler, Harold Brown, to tell him that the then Prince of Wales would like a word with him later on. He would probably ring at about three. At three on the dot, Aylard was by the phone, waiting for the call. At three-thirty the phone rang: it was the butler again, saying Charles would try at about six. This went on all weekend, with Aylard wondering whether it was some major logistical issue that needed sorting out, or perhaps a looming domestic crisis. Had the nanny run off with the chauffeur? Finally, on Monday morning, Charles got through. “Richard,” he said, “I’ve been out in the meadow and I’ve found what I think is an orchid.” Could Aylard tell from the description whether it was a spotted orchid or not?

Even when he is not orchid-spotting, Charles is a demanding boss. Working for him is not a nine-to-five job. This, according to one former member of his household, is because he is very demanding of himself. “He is never satisfied with himself, or what he has achieved. People around him had to work hard to keep up. He had enormous stamina.” Another said: “He was demanding in that he is always working. Seven days a week. Never stops. At any moment he may want to call you about something. Working on his boxes, on his ideas, on his papers. The pace is pretty intense.” The phone calls could come at any time, from after breakfast until 11 at night, even at Christmas. In contrast to the conviviality of his grandmother’s household, Charles’s office is suffused with a ferocious work ethic: he is a man with a mission.

He would drive people hard. He was full of ideas, always asking people to go and do things. The workload as private secretary would be immense. He had strong opinions. He also had a proper temper on him, which was quite fun. He would rarely direct it at the individual. It would be about something, and he would lose his temper. He would throw something. He would go from zero to 60 in a flash, and then back down again. Things would frustrate him, especially the media.”

Dickie Arbiter, his press secretary, was once walking out of the palace with the private secretary a short distance behind Charles when the prince, infuriated by something the private secretary had said, turned round and directed an ill-tempered outburst at the hapless courtier. Arbiter recalled: “I said sotto voce, ‘If anybody talked to me like that, I’d tell them to bugger off.’ ” It was just loud enough for Charles to hear. “There was a slight flicker of a smile, but he got my message. The only thing he could do was fire me. And he didn’t.”

In the space of about seven years, Charles had five different private secretaries. Promotion, preferment, who’s in, who’s out: no wonder Charles’s household has been compared to Wolf Hall. In her book on Prince Charles, Catherine Mayer quotes a businessman who helped to set up an event with the prince’s household and later spoke “with amazement” about the “glaring flaws” in its organisational structure. He got the impression that aides used to obstruct planning so they could tell the boss of problems, which they would then solve. “There was a lot of backstabbing,” he said. According to another insider, some courtiers, though loyal and able, are also cunning and “involve themselves in the dark arts of undermining other people”.
SwampWoman said…
Blogger Fifi LaRue said...

@Henrietta: It's the dog that didn't bark in the night.

I'm sorry. You've lost me!


Oooh, oooh, can I play? I'm probably incredibly wrong here (not the first time!) but I *think* that had Eugenie actually witnessed the existence of children, it would have been reported as how Aunt Eugenie and Uncle Jack had had a wonderful visit with the invisible children.

But that didn't happen.

/Now, back to preparing for a drive by from hurricane Ian.
Rebecca said…
Another official, who worked for Charles after he married Camilla, recalled: “Someone said to me early in my time how quite a lot of people in that world see it as quite zero sum. If he’s talking to you, he’s not talking to me; if he’s reading your note, he’s not reading my note. There’s only so much time in his week, so if he’s doing engagements, it means he’s not doing something he could have done for me. There [could] be a bit of an internal dynamic about who was he listening to. In Monday morning meetings, people would go out of their way to say, ‘Well, he called me three times over the weekend.’ Or, ‘Well, I was in the supermarket when he called me.’ As if to just remind everyone else around the table that he cared about their stuff. Well, it’s a court, right? So in our case, there were two individuals who are the font of all power, and everyone wants to be close to that and to be drinking from that.”

Anyone working for Prince Charles had to face two key difficulties. One was the internal backstabbing. The other was how to deal with the helpful suggestions made by all the outside advisers that Charles also spoke to. Over the years, there have been scores of them, whispering in his ear their thoughts on architecture, alternative medicine, business, organic farming, housing, Jungian psychoanalysis, Islamic art, rainforests, crop circles and the media. In his twenties Charles came under the influence of Laurens van der Post, the South African-born writer, explorer and mystic, who once wrote him a letter outlining how he could transform the monarchy to fit a new vision of society that would restore the individual to a “lost natural aspect” of the human spirit. Charles was not always a good judge of who should have his ear. Jimmy Savile, the broadcaster and charity fundraiser who, after his death, was revealed to have been a serial sexual abuser, wrote a handbook for Charles on how the royal family should deal with the media after big disasters. Charles passed on his tips to the Duke of Edinburgh, who in turn showed them to the Queen.

One of Charles’s former members of staff said the most pernicious effect of his outside advisers was the way they suggested that his usual team were not doing a good job. “The prince is quite susceptible to new voices who tell him, ‘They are stopping you doing what you want to do. They are holding you back, the suits.’ He loves it when someone says, ‘Oh, they have got it wrong, sir, listen to me. I can see it better; I am outside of this.’ The prince falls under people’s spell. That could then lead to real problems for individuals.”

Canvassing a wide range of views was an essential part of Charles’s method of working. It was an approach that was born out of the resistance that Charles experienced from traditional courtiers to initiatives such as the Prince’s Trust. One adviser said: “He is someone who is constantly trying to connect things and think about things and create new initiatives and everybody almost always calls him barmy. I remember going in a couple of times and saying, ‘Sir, I’m not sure this is the best idea.’ But you could never argue that because he’d say, ‘They always say that to me.’ ”
Rebecca said…
There are subtle variations in what members of the household call their principals. At Clarence House, there was a simple formula: it was “Your Royal Highness” when one greeted Charles first thing in the morning, and “Sir” after that, and then “Your Royal Highness” last thing at night.

When Nick Loughran worked at Kensington Palace as a press secretary, he would call Harry by his first name, but tended to be more formal with Prince William, because their relationship was not so close. Ed Perkins, who also had a spell as press secretary for the two princes, once accidentally sent a text to Harry saying, “Hello mate.” He recalled: “I texted back saying, ‘So sorry, just called you mate. I didn’t mean to.’ [Harry] wrote back saying, ‘Please don’t worry.’ ”

When William and Kate’s children were young, and the family were dividing their time between Anmer Hall in Norfolk and Kensington Palace, William told his staff that he did not want them wearing suits when they were in the office. “He wants it to be casual,” said one member of the household. “The kids run around the office, and he does not want it to be stuffy. If we have important meetings, or are going to Buckingham Palace, then of course we [wear suits].” It started with casual Fridays, but then William told them that if they did not have important people coming in for meetings, they could dress casually. “This is where my family lives,” he told them. What they wore did not matter. “You are going to do a professional job.”
Enbrethiliel said…
@OKay

Thanks for taking my question into the real world! I know I started it, but it will be another few days before I can see my male friends and pose the question to them, too.
SwampWoman said…
@Rebecca, my gracious! That article indicates to me that things must be getting financially desperate at Montecito. "Please, King Daddy, we'll be good this time, we pinkie promise!" Also, "Spotify, if you read The Telegraph, you will see that we will soon have more podcasts about the King and the RF."
unknown said…
Anne is below the duchess of Gloucester. I don’t know what that means. Royal.UK
Enbrethiliel said…
I can't decide which phrase is more cringe-worthy:

"Tremendous flickers of hope" or "hope of a cause for unity."

As we can see, the first phrase belongs to the "Shine a light" family of empty sentiment, while the second has the try-hard, fake-accent air of the petulant January 2020 statement.

At least the first one boldly dares to go where no metaphor has gone before. The second one is so terribly worded that it is what convinced me that the "royal insider" is * itself. It's exactly how a dumb person imagines an intelligent person would talk.
OCGal - Thab=nks - How about this brand for the Markles, `Monarchs R Us', even if they are the King & Queen of Nowheresville?

-----

Henrietta- In a Sherlock Holmes story, there was a dog that was expected to have barked when a night-time break-in was committed - but it didn't, leading Holmes to conclude that it recognised the person breaking in.

`Thus `the dog that barked in the night time' means something didn't happen that one would have expected. and that gives the game away. We know for certain that Eug & Jack met up with H$M in US but E said nothing about meeting the child(ren) which we would have expected.

Thus despite * saying that Eug met the child(ren), Eug herself said nothing about it. Ergo, she didn't meet them, possibly because they don't exist.

Apologies, I can' recall if E &J met them * & H before or after L was delivered, perhaps by Amazon.
Karla said…
"Anne is below the duchess of Gloucester. I don’t know what that means. Royal.UK"
...

No! Now The Princess Anne is below the Wessex (Edward and Sophie) who are below the PPoW. Which leads us to think that the Wessex will be made DDoE.
https://www.royal.uk/royal-family
Enbrethiliel said…
@Hikari

The Merrie Wives of Windsor would be perfect! With an extra touch of Englishness from the allusion to Shakespeare!

And I wouldn't be surprised if another magazine were already working on it! There was recently an article on the Windsor women in the New Zealand Herald which discussed the historical firsts of the current ladies of the BRF (from the Princess Royal to her daughter Zara and Lady Louise) during Queen Elizabeth's funeral. It opined that "Team Windsor" was taking the lead on "gender equality" and that *'s greatest lost opportunity is not getting to be part of what is arguably a modernization of the monarchy -- albeit one that has full respect for tradition.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/daniela-elser-meghan-markles-biggest-mistake-comes-into-focus/3KEUZNDXHUDJULAX4IFKOTYV6Y/

Queen Elizabeth was queen bee while she lived, but now that she has passed, it seems that the brilliant light she wielded for 70 years has been distributed among the women she has left behind. I can't be the only one who finds all of them newly fascinating, despite having already "watched" them for years. During the grandchildren's vigil, in particular, they all seemed to transcend their personal individuality and become living archetypes of grief, devotion, obedience and duty. (Had there been an in-laws vigil, Camila, Sophie and Catherine would have absolutely crushed it.) I'm reminded a bit of how the first Queen Elizabeth managed to transmute Catholic devotion to the Virgin Mary into loyalty to the Virgin Queen. If this isn't a deliberate long-term strategy from BP, then they should definitely jump on it now. The "Windsor women" over three whole generations are looking as much like Queen Elizabeth II's successors as her actual heirs are. It is impossible to look at them without seeing Elizabeth's influence living on.
@Islandlady - are they ranked by age? Duke of Gloucester is about 9 months older me but Ann is significantly younger . I suggest checking how old Brigitte is - I must dash or I'd do it..
Maneki Neko said…
@Henrietta

I remember the visit; I just don't remember Eugenie's saying she didn't see the kids.
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Sorry, I missed the bit about the sprogs. I can't see any confirmation of the fact, just conjecture.
Enbrethiliel said…
@Karla

One thing I had feared King Charles would do is withhold the Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh titles from Prince Edward and Sophie. I hope you're right that the bestowing of the titles and the fulfillment of Prince Philip's express wish is in the pipeline!
Humor Me said…
unless it is a direct quote from KCIII/ BP, an royal commentator who writes of "flickers' of hope in a reconcilation is pot stirring / and or putting indirect pressure on KCIII.

We are all aware it was HMTQ that put the kibosh to the Sussex Plan half in / half out. Well there is a new king in town, who misses his son.
* is not going to give up any opportunity for her to monetize off her royal title, be it Duchess, or * Princess Henry of Whatever. She knows the name only is not going to cut anything.
H just wants his way - half in / half out. All the money, protection with as little work as possible.

I worry for KCIII - while reconcilation is possible IF they live quietly on his farm/ HIghgrove and eventually make a return to royal duties (think of the booes), and give up all claims at developing their own royal brand (or Court - it IS a court), that means the duo must give up more than what they left for: their own lives and all that it entails.

IMHO - either Charles allows this to drag out until H's book is out (think it has been bad for the last two weeks - just wait).
- or KCIII settles all debts and famimly business: not titles, takes away the ducal title for violating the sandrinham summit (merching on the Duchess title),new title is Prince Henry of Mountbatten-Windsor, and * is called P-Henry, and removes him as a CoS. That way H is still acknowledged as a Prince of the Blood, he (she) has a title, and because they are overseas, he is unable to serve as a CoS. No money. No protection. Look at the others in th extended fmaily.
- or and I cannot imagine seeing this: H comes to his senses and takes the kids back to England and divorces *. He/ they live on the farm, with the titles to be awarded to the children at age 18 as per Edward/ Sophie's children - if they want them.
Karla said, Sussex have been moved down on RF site!

Well spotted! ๐Ÿค—The non working royals go to the bottom of the list, worst still, they are even lower than royals much lower down the line of succession! I do think Maggot and Mole should have been after Andrew though.
Hikari said…
Today in the Telegraph there is this:

The King saw "tremendous flickers of hope" in his recent interactions with the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, sources have revealed, raising the prospect of a rapprochement.

The monarch is said to have been buoyed by the various conversations held with his son and daughter-in-law as the family united in grief following the late Queen’s death.



@Rebecca

Be of stout heart. Apologies to Victoria Ward but 'royal insiders' sound like Princess Arsewipe and her Handbag to me.

I have always thought of the Telegraph as a Palace-friendly paper, hence its nickname 'Palace Telegraph'. It doesn't preclude * from paying somebody off there.

If anyone can point to an actual instance of King Charles having a single interaction with his toerag of a son and Toerag's showgirl over the course of an incredibly busy and draining 10 days, I'd like to see the proof. Perhaps VW is meaning the stroppy screaming fit that Toerag pitched in order to be able to wear his uniform (sans ERII cypher) for 15 minutes at a made-up vigil for the grandkids? I bet that conversation was filled with a spirit of joyful reunion. The lack of cypher generated a ton more press for the aggrieved victims, and I didn't hear a single expression of gratitude from H that his father allowed him to stand vigil in uniform at all.

'Overseas' sounds pretty distant to me, not a mending of fences. There isn't a shred of photographic proof that anyone interacted with the couple at all, except to gesture for them to go first into their row of seats . . because they were on the end.

More fantasy PR methinks.
@Islandlady,

The Princess Royal’s photo is above the Duke of Gloucester’s. Anne is higher up the list, not lower.
Sandie said…
The order in which the royal family are featured in that section of the royal website follows the line of succession, except for the 'cast out threesome'. It is odd that they are still featured as they no longer represent the Crown in any way. They just seem out of place there.

Just checked, and nope ... the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester are listed before the Duke of Kent and Princess Alexandra, who are higher in the line of succession.

The Duchess of Kent was a working royal for many years, but is not featured. So, no I cannot make sense of it.
unknown said…
Duchess of Gloucester is after Sophie and before Anne. Anne is after DOG. It isn’t going by age in that case.
Fifi LaRue said…
@WBBM 6:30 pm: LOL! Yes!

@Snarky: It probably was SS's parting gift. Getting a questionable, tacky award. She's shopping, folks.
Both Amber Heard and Emily Ratajkowski both claimed they were humanitarians. "Humanitarian" must be the new code word for
high-priced sex worker when it comes to female celebrities with mental health with personality disorders.
Mel said…
I don't know that Eugenie specifically said she didn't see the kids.
I think what happened was that she didn't mention them one way or the other. As in non-entities.

Now that I think about it, did she say anything about the visit at all?
CatEyes said…
Dan Wooten wrote a Daily Mail article revealing that some Palace staff DID talk to Low! Here are a couple of tidbits

"I feel this book is corroboration of years of reporting by myself and other top royal correspondents, which has seen us, completely unfairly, branded both racists and bullies by the Sussex Squad social media trolls simply for accurately reporting the reality of the behaviour by Harry and Meghan that culminated in me revealing their decision to Megxit in January 2020.

In the months before Megxit, I had revealed her Hollywood team was already negotiating commercial deals, including for her children’s book.

As one former staff member told Low: ‘Everyone knew that the institution would be judged by her happiness. The mistake they made was thinking that she wanted to be happy. She wanted to be rejected, because she was obsessed with that narrative from day one.’

In the months before Megxit, I had revealed her Hollywood team was already negotiating commercial deals, including for her children’s book."

As one former staff member told Low: ‘Everyone knew that the institution would be judged by her happiness. The mistake they made was thinking that she wanted to be happy. She wanted to be rejected, because she was obsessed with that narrative from day one.’

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11251361/DAN-WOOTTON-Sussex-Survivor-Squad-finally-having-truth-Harry-Meghan-heard.html
Rebecca said…
@Swampwoman
@Rebecca, my gracious! That article indicates to me that things must be getting financially desperate at Montecito. "Please, King Daddy, we'll be good this time, we pinkie promise!" Also, "Spotify, if you read The Telegraph, you will see that we will soon have more podcasts about the King and the RF
_________
On re-reading it I think you are right. There are so many “royal experts” that I tend to get some of them confused. Victoria Ward must be a Sussex pot-stirrer.
Rebecca said…
@Enbrethiliel
I can't decide which phrase is more cringe-worthy:

"Tremendous flickers of hope" or "hope of a cause for unity."
________
You and @Swampwoman have brought me back from the edge. Thank you.
@Islandlady,

The list is going by working royals (line of succession order, but excluding non working royals), the bottom three are all non working royals. ๐Ÿฅด
Karla said…
Raspberry Ruffle and Enbretiliel ❤️
I couldn't agree more!๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘
The Telegraph article could be spin, it could also be a trap being set by the King. ๐Ÿ˜‰Could he be playing a cat and mouse game with Maggot?๐ŸฅดThat book of Mole’s would be a big enough motive for the King to spin a web. ๐Ÿคซ
Maneki Neko said…
King Charles III's new royal cypher.

King Charles's new royal cypher has been revealed ahead of its appearance on government buildings, state documents and post boxes.

The monogram will be added to various public offices, papers, and street furniture over the coming months and years following its unveiling, which comes ahead of the royal mourning period ending.

https://e3.365dm.com/22/09/1600x900/skynews-kng-charles-cypher_5911343.jpg?20220926203200
Henrietta said…
Thanks, WBBM. I've got it now.
Faltering Sky said…
Link to the relocated LSA thread

https://www.lipstickalley.com/forums/unpc-the-lsa-politically-incorrect-forum.398/
Faltering Sky said…
If that link does not work try this;

https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/meghan-markle-unpopular-opinions-thread-pt-9.4991454/page-791
Girl with a Hat said…
https://twitter.com/kates_rangers/status/1574507579098779648

King Charles' new cypher which will appear on post boxes, government buildings, etc.
unknown said…
The order on royal.uk is this: (under the royal family)

Ok wait, now I awe that if is different on my iPad and iPhone

iPhone:

The king
The queen consort
The prince of Wales
The princess of Wales
The earl of Wessex
The countess of Wessex
The princess royal
The duke of Gloucester
The duchess of Gloucester
The duke of Kent
Princess Alexandria
The duke of Sussex
The duchess of Sussex
The duke of York

On my iPad its:
The King
The Queen consort
the prince of wales
The princess of wales
The earl of Wessex
The countess of Wessex
The duchess of Gloucester
The princess royal
The duke of Gloucester
The duke of Kent
Princess Alexandra
The duke of Sussex
The duchess of Sussex
The duke of York


It must be some formatting issue to stick princess royal between the Gloucesters






Rebecca said…
@Hikari
Be of stout heart. Apologies to Victoria Ward but 'royal insiders' sound like Princess Arsewipe and her Handbag to me.
_____

Thank you @Hikari. I would feel a lot better if Twit and Twat were ensconced in a waterfront mansion in Tampa this week. More wishful thinking ๐Ÿ˜ˆ
DesignDoctor said…
Recollections May Vary
Interesting Interview with an old friend Vid from St MM Reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/xowis0/jump_to_the_1350_minute_for_the_part_where_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
KnitWit said…
GQ award? For hamburger flipping? Yachting skills?

Catching up.
DesignDoctor said…
I thought this was an interesting comment on Reddit:

Lady C & others have said that “The Palace has confirmed a fact about Harry that was not related to who his father is.” (It’s Charles.) This fact relates to something else completely & may allow Harry to return to the fold. W/o Megs. Anyone have any idea what this might be? (And I doubt that it’s a love child in North Carolina. Unless the Palace forced a strict nondisclosure agreement on the mother, everyone would know about it by now. And it wouldn’t result in Harry being brought back into the fold.)


Has anyone heard anything about this?
Enbrethiliel said…
I think the main reason people are snickering over Harry and * sliding close to the bottom but not caring at all that the Princess Royal is in an odd place is that Dollars are so sensitive to rank and pecking order, while Princess Anne couldn't care less.

Perhaps the Nutties' amusement is for naught and there was no deliberate statement made by pushing the Dollars close to the bottom. Maybe it's all just a formatting error from a staffer with spotty coding skills. All the same, can you guess which of the two aforementioned women be more likely to shrug her shoulders and get on with life and which one would be more likely to troll people anonymously online out of pure spite?
Humor Me said…
New Harry Markle post up.
Good night from across the Pond.
Martha said…
Designdoctor…have heard, seen. I thing about this. Please reveal
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