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Plot Twist!

 Well, that is a plot twist - Prince Andrew is giving up titles - announced by the Palace.

Dude is willing enough to face the future without that after his name.  Say what you will but he is being honorable about this (we may not ever know the details of what it took to get it).  Is there something else to come out we don't know about (yet) or is it just it has taken this long to drag out negotiations between the various parties to ink a deal?  Time will tell.

For him, I wonder how it will play out about Royal Lodge.  A place he has been totally unwilling to leave.  Or how it will play out for the future of his daughters.  Sarah - let's not go there.  It is a real twist already.  We don't gloat here.

BUT what about how it could impact the duo?   Well, well, well.

Takes the whole racist claim off the table (and into the nearest deep ocean never to be taken seriously again by most who might have bought it previously).  Expect it likely to resurface though as it was quite useful.  People keep useful until it isn't.

 I think it will really apply (reality aka pressure) on them with the whole idea of: This can happen to you too.  We call that an "Oh shit!" right before all hell breaks lose moment in my family.

There is this part of me which thinks this is when they really start throwing the we want to come back and be part of you.  Intensity likely to really ramp up in ways we have not seen the likes of before.  And more than just humble pie would be offered (and possible outrage with the usual claims that it was not accepted to followed as a second course).  

So ... put on your seatbelt and prepare for the wild ride.  



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Magatha Mistie said…

Singalong 🎤
Apologies: Jeff Beck
High Ho Silver Lining

Aerothot

You’re everywhere and nowhere megsy
You’re not all that
Thinking everything is rosé
While flogging your tat
Buzzing across the country
winged feral rat
Carrying sussexcess baggage
Desperate old twat

And the high ho’s bronzer’s shining
Everywhere on show ho megsy
We know you can’t stop whining
With or without Wuss
You’re so odious…



Maneki Neko said…
Lovely to see you back @Magatha. You hit the nail on the head as usual.
The first BBC report about Andrew seemed to imply that had HM not `persuaded' him to give up, the Government would have acted. perhaps I misunderstood but that sounded odd.

About the York princesses - who curtseys to whom? Do they have to perform a `révérence' to Catherine when she's with William? I can imagine that they would be p*ssed off at having to do so to someone they consider beneath them. Where does Sophie stand in the pecking order? Does Andrew loss of the Dukedom affect his place in the pecking order? Is he now of lower status than younger brother Edward, Duke of Edinburgh? Has there been a change in the pecking order?
Maneki Neko said…
This is what I've found. As I suspected, it's not straightforward.

"The general rule of thumb to remember is that a Royal Highness does not curtsy to another Royal Highness," Myka Meier, an etiquette expert and the author of the book Modern Etiquette Made Easy, tells PEOPLE. "Therefore, while the newly titled Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh will still have to curtsy to His Majesty King Charles and Her Majesty The Queen Consort, they will not have to curtsy any of the blood princes or princesses or those who have married one."

According to Debrett's, Kate and Meghan outrank blood members of the royal family — but only when they're with their husbands, Prince William and Prince Harry. "Protocol dictates that when the Princess of Wales and the Duchess of Sussex are not accompanied by their husbands, Princess of the Royal Blood, such as Princess Beatrice and Eugenie, rank above them. However, when the Duchesses are accompanied by their husbands, the roles are reversed and the duchesses outrank the princesses," they state.' (People)
Maneki Neko said…
Apparently, William made the decision with Charles to ask Andrew to give up his titles. Maybe William gave his father the push he needed to act.
Girl with a Hat said…
It seems I can't post here
Thank you - clarity at last! I did know it depended on whether Catherine or Sophie were with their husbands or not but beyond that, I wasn't sure.
There's a really clear, informative, post about how the monarch has been unable to remove titles since 1215. Yes, it's all because of how Bad King John behaved. Under Magna Carta, the King can give titles but they can only be taken away by will of the People, as expressed in Parliament. Likewise, peers can only lose their estates under an Act of Attainder if they have committed treason (used, IIRC, after the Forty Five).

https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/1oabkrp/why_andrew_had_to_make_that_statement_this_also/

There's also a significant snippet in response, originally from Secondhand Coke, reposted by @CalChemicalPlum, about what H should do...
abbyh said…
I am not seeing anything in the spam which has your name on it so I don't understand why you might be having difficulties before this post.
Girl with a Hat said…
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Girl with a Hat said…
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It is interesting what kind of shitstorm you are able to create after a lifetime of immoral crappy choices without any moral compass. Look at that eminent gentleman Andrew and his ex wife!

A man Who was "TOO HONOURABLE"!!!
Is the reign of Charles III going to be on the same list as those of Richard II, Henry VI and Edward VIII who caused chaos and didn't outlive it?

By the way are the baroness words like "harms" and "learns" correct English?

Maneki Neko said…
I'll go out on a limb and throw in my tuppence.
Andrew is certainly obnoxious and a boor but he is not a paedophile, who is someone who 'experiences a sexual attraction to prepubescent children.' Virginia Giuffre has been exploited by Epstein but she is not a complete innocent. She recruited other girls and she was paid - well paid presumably - to be flown all over the place to meet men. We have no way of checking the allegations in her posthumous book. I think she has lied on several occasions (can't remember which ones). Now according to her book quoted in the DM and the Guardian, she 'lost a baby days after having an orgy with Prince Andrew and eight other girls'. (DM).
She claims she was 18 at the time, adding: 'Epstein, Andy, and approximately eight other young girls and I had sex together. The other girls all appeared to be under the age of 18 and didn't really speak English.' (The Guardian).

Is this meant to cast some doubts on the baby's paternity and imply that Andrew might have been the father? And what about the other eight girls, none of whom has come forward as witnesses to my knowledge. There is also the fact that there were numerous other men in the US and elsewhere but the articles make it sound as if Andrew is the only one who's mentioned. The book might mention other names but Andrew, the Queen's son, was a low hanging fruit, easy to find and providing rich pickings.
I am not an apologist for him, he is odious but it seems to me certain sections of the press are trying to do a hatchet job on him. I think he is now getting his comeuppance but I feel for the rest of the RF, this is so disgraceful.

Yes, Girl with a Hat, those were Andrew's own words when he described his friendship with Epstein!

I wonder if Prince William thinks that his family is far above the people of Great Britain? That their blue blood makes them untouchables when facing the laws of the land? I mean Catherine's family are normal British citizens and she had quite normal childhood?

It is very difficult for me to understand the idea of a subject as I have always been equal with any of my countrymen and women and I have not any "subordinate" feelings towards the president of my country. I have respect towards the presidency as the highest representation of our nation, but not towards the man or woman if they do not earn it.

What do you think?

No, they are not! Not in the UK anyway, among what my dictionary calls `Careful speakers'.
I don't know about the careless ones or the US tho'>
I doubt it very much, thanks in part to how Diana tried to bring him up, showing him that those in a much less fortunate position, through illness, homelessness and/ or poverty, were fellow beings entitled to compassion as much as anyone else. She said he was the `sensible one'.

We cut off the head of one monarch in 1649, well before the same fate befell the French king, This was after a charge of treason , that is `waging war on his people'' . Since then we have worked out our way of making a monarchy function without running into despotism. We, the People, elect Parliament to do the necessary business and even if we hate to PM of the day, we can get rid of him or her without resorting to the headsman's axe or Mme. Guillotine.
Of course, our system still has a thread of the `theology of kingship' running through it, as it has done for over a thousand years so at heart it's a bit different from the situation in secular states.
@Maneki Neko
You have summarised my position perfectly. Thank you.

It grieves me to think that Andrew is being picked on when others get off scot free of any criticism. It seems there's another agendum at work.
Well, Wild Boar Battle-maid that was a good answer and helped a bit for my understanding of the situation. I do believe William is a) more intelligent and b) more empathic than many of his relatives and Catherine quite clearly has a warm heart, so I believe they are going to be successful when the time comes. The problem seems to be how the King is going clear this mess now with Andrew and Harry.

Maneki Neko said…
The idea of being a 'subject' never entered my mind even though I am one. It certainly in no way implies being subservient. I suppose the concept is alien to anyone who has never lived with it. The monarch reigns but does not govern, that is the job of the Prime Minister, who has a private audience with the King or Queen once a week to discuss government matters.
Maneki Neko said…
Thank you. I expected a lot of flak although it's still early!
Magatha Mistie said…

God Save the King

Uneasy lies the head
that wears the Crown
Damned either way
up’s now down
We’re not privy
to the full machinations
Facing the King
in his removal of stations…


Magatha Mistie said…
Well said Maneki, I agree 👏
@Alianor:
I should have added that it's still not a hundred years since the Government succeeded in `persuading' a highly unsuitable monarch to quit. Edward VIII formally abdicated the throne in December 1936, choosing to follow his obsession with Mrs Simpson rather than to give her up and retain his throne.
I dread to think what could have happened had he stayed, especially if she'd still been around as his mistress, with easy access to sensitive State papers.
Even in the mid-1930s there was enough evidence to show that she was strongly pro-N*zi and he was a careless pro-German blabbermouth.
Andrew Lownie's book `The Traitor King' makes it very clear that, once hostilities began in 1939, they were leaking secrets, both deliberately and inadvertently to the enemy.
Thank heaven she was twice divorced as it gave a perfectly `respectable' reason for removing the pair of them. HM Government could hardly say that they were quislings, traitors at the very heart of the nation.
Lownie finally nails it - the suspicion about them was well-founded and the fears justified. I originally read this book looking for parallels with H - which incidentally are abundant and chilling - but I'm now going through it again more carefully - the hard evidence that Lownie presents is indisputable IMO and we had a lucky escape.
If only the current circumstances didn't scream that history is close to repeating itself. I'm sure the Harkles are associated with people every bit as unsavoury as those known to the Yorks...
OKay said…
I have always felt the same way, MM. Andrew is a lot of things, but it does seem that he (and only he) has been piled on throughout in this entire fiasco.
abbyh said…
I hear you. It always felt that there are some US people who have skated away from an equal amount of public "attention" to their relationship with him even though their name was linked with him.

As for the King and his recent decisions - let us not forget that this gentleman is (to my knowledge) still dealing with (or recently still dealing with) his yet unknown type of cancer. While still trying to fill his job duties as they come at him - fast and furious. And ... dealing with the grief of the loss of his mother (plus the long shadow she has cast about how to do this job).

He's not walking some easy path in life (at a time when many his age are looking at retirement as a time to put their feet up and just have a cup of tea).

https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/1oceen7/paranoid_meghan_markle_convinced_royal_family_has/

Rabbie Burns nailed it in his poem `To a Louse':
‘O wad some Power the giftie gie us / To see oursels as ithers see us!’
Sadly, as HGT might say, *'s narcissism robs her of the ability to understand that others do not have the same glorious view of her as she does and that all her failures result from her own actions and attitudes.
So it has to be someone else's fault...

(I also wonder if the reason Her Late Majesty protected her second son was because he didn't tell her the truth, perhaps not as deliberate lies but as a result of having the selective memory of a narcissist, one with huge holes in it? I read one report a while back which said he, as a boy, used to treat his ponies badly but BP did nothing about it. On one occasion, the grooms grabbed him and threw him onto the dung heap. Whether or not it had any effect was not recorded).
Who remembers Sharon in `Kath and Kim'? She had self-awareness - my favourite quotation from her:;
`I could've been anything, if only I'd had the talent'.
Maneki Neko said…
I do! Very good it was too.
Maneki Neko said…
Just seen this. Dan Wootton: the King to strip Harry, *, Archie and Lily of their titles. Not sure if there is any truth in it, I can't see anything online.

https://youtube.com/shorts/RUuJoBAhfxo?si=VjhdI2803QvbLtcD
Hmm... Dan must be pretty sure of his sources but I wish he'd be careful to refer to the future king in a way that doesn't imply that he's already the monarch.
The princely titles can certainly be removed by a king - George V showed the way in 2017.
The ducal title is a problem. I can't see the necessary legislation being passed by the present government - they have so much stuff to deal with and I suspect many on the Government side of the green benches would be happy to see Royalty disappear. A private member's bill doesn't stand an earthly chance of doing the job, IMO at least not until there's change of government.
Edward VIII was in effect removed by PM Baldwin because of being pro-Hitler and in regular contact socially with any number of influential N*zi sympathisers, not least Wallis, and he was briefly, Head of State.
In terms of threat, H is more like George, Duke of Kent, fourth son of George V, who was, however, implicated in the arrival of Rudolf Hess in 1942 and subsequently died in an air crash... (his son Edward became D of Kent aged 6, he's just turned 90). I'd support permanent exile for H.
At least the Harkles have made themselves social pariahs but I can't help wondering if their funding comes from sources `which are not friends of Britain'. After all, it's those sorts of links which have precipitated the downfall of the Yorks. (I do wonder how Lownie has found reliable sources for his latest books. `The Traitor King' gives references to specific documents for a very large proportion of his statements, almost like a learned paper even if not full Harvard references! How has he done it in the York book?)
I know this is Radar Online but how does this fit in with her refusing Royal doctors?
https://radaronline.com/p/meghan-markle-royal-family-first-child-disability-scan-claims/
A bit rich, to say the least! To me , it fits in with my view of someone who can't keep her lies straight.
Maneki Neko said…
If true - a big if, I think - then surely you'd be really reassured to have this test? Especially considering *'s age. I'm sure if true that Catherine went through the same, it would have applied to her too although she was younger than *. I think these tests are non invasive these days, just a blood test.

As you say, this doesn't square with *'s refusal to deal with the Queen's medical team.
Maneki Neko said…
If true - a big if, I think - then surely you'd be really reassured to have this test? Especially considering *'s age. I'm sure if true that Catherine went through the same, it would have applied to her too although she was younger than *. I think these tests are non invasive these days, just a blood test.

As you say, this doesn't square with *'s refusal to deal with the Queen's medical team.
abbyh said…
Some story like this might one up Diana though. I seem to remember that she claimed she was checked for virginity and possible the ability to produce an heir.
abbyh said…
Article in the DM about how the range of products she produces might come off as a tad bit sorta diverse. It was so hard not to write: No shite Sherlock.

She might be going into make up as a new direction. That would be similar to going into having your own fragrance line. There are companies which have product for you buy, package under your name and then sell as you.

If true, that would be a further bending toward following the Kardashian business model.
Maneki Neko said…
I read a similar story about * now wanting her own makeup range. Bronzer? Her makeup is nothing special, like her jam/spread. The idea might arouse interest but the scheme might come to nothing. I can't need another success.
Jesus Christ! Listen the latest River! Poor William!

Harry, Prince of Wales!

Girl with a Hat said…
Dan Wootton posted earlier on X. King Charles iApparently he doesn’t have long. He is d Dan Wootton posted earlier on X. King Charles is more gravely ill than had been let on. Apparently he doesn’t have long. He is dying.
This will mean William will be king quite sooner than anyone thought, hence the flurry of ‘William taking control’ stories in the news this last week or so.
He will be taking over, and then, Harry will lose his titles
Ian's Girl said…
Do we really think Nutmeg will quit using her title, even if it's stripped? I mean, what would be the consequence?
When Edward I created the first Prince of Wales, the story is that he jested that he would give them a prince who spoke no word of English. He bestowed the title on his baby who had yet to learn to talk. Harry must have been told that story, he presumably wasn't listening.
Age has nothing to do with it. It is not an automatic title, it has to be bestowed by the monarch and it goes to the heir apparent. Harry is not the heir apparent.

The Duchy of Cornwall was established by charter ie law to provide for the Prince of Wales's family. The title goes to the eldest son of the monarch and is automatic upon the accession of a new monarch. Charles wasn't even 6 when the old king died - his mother ascended the throne- his 5th birthday was on 14th November 1951 and Elizabeth became Queen on 2nd February 1952, not even 2 months after that.

Harry can whistle for both titles.
abbyh said…
Unsaid: How much his wife would love to be titled: Meghan, Princess of Wales.

This is actually a continuation, from a different angle, how much H could come back to help. Notice what isn't there - how much or little his wife could step in to help take some of the workload off Catherine.

Him helping but her not would be a new variation of half in/half out. He's in, she's not but happily getting ink as with what the project du jour is.
Magatha Mistie said…

Douchesse du moue

The kween of tarts
splayed many parts
Soho house madam sin
The countess of clarts
has vulpine smarts
and teeth like Rin Tin Tin…


Magatha Mistie said…

*Ballenasaga

Eyes don’t quite meet
Much like her big feet
Hair looks borrowed
on loan
Her cat stalk dress
Neige blanche bland mess
As never seen a brush or a comb…

*Ballena- Spanish for whale
Baronesa de Ballenas




Maneki Neko said…
Another one bites the dust.

'The Duchess of Sussex has parted company with her tenth publicist in just five years after a big name she poached from Netflix quit after just three months.

Emily Robinson joined Harry and Meghan's team as director of communications in June, but she has already jumped ship.' (DM)

The best PR company in the world cannot change what most people see.
Magatha Mistie said…
Thank you @abbyh
Charles cops a lot of flak
Not always warranted
Magatha Mistie said…
@Alianor
What’s your basis for feeling Prince William feels superior to British people?
Well Magatha,

Not William so much but his family has always given me the feeling that being a royal is to be above the rest of the world. Maybe not Prince Philip because he had a very hard life for a born royal before his marriage to the Queen but the Windsor family. Andrew is a good example of that and the Princess Marina had deep contempt for those members of family who were not born royal (the Queen Mother) while she herself was a daughter of a grand duchess of Russia.

I understand that when Catherine alone meets Eugenie she must curtsy to the born princess and I found that ridiculous. That was what the late Queen wanted. Ergo to be a born princess is something More Important.

But as I have said all my life I have been equal with any of my countrymen so maybe I don't understand these things.

Did that help?

Ian's Girl said…
If there was any animosity towards Catherine from the Yorkies, I sincerely doubt class had anything to do with it. Their own mother was as Common as fish and chips. And, despite being American, I see nothing wrong with following the protocol of a thousand years with regards to her curtseying to the Yorkies absent William's presence, although my understanding is that it's only done at the initial encounter of the day. I'd also be willing to bet that all stopped once she became PoW, because do we really believe Camilla spent years curtseying to them? Thinking about Nutmeg having to curtsey to them might take the sting out a little? 😉
Maneki Neko said…
@Alianor

As a British citizen - the term "British subject" is a historical one, used before 1949, although they are considered subjects of the Crown - living in the UK, I don't consider the BRF to be above us mere mortals but that's my personal opinion. I don't feel inferior to them, they are just in a different 'category'.

I can understand that to people outside the UK the concept of a curtsy might be ridiculous but this is part of protocol and traditions. I don't find it strange and it doesn't bother me. This is something that *, who is not as 'whip smart' as she claims, failed to understand and why she showed how she made an exaggerated mock curtsy to the Queen for a video. If she'd been a bit more intelligent, she would have accepted and respected our traditions and not said anything but then that's *.
Maneki Neko said…
@Alianor

To add to my previous post, curtsying also applies to the Scandinavian royal families
Girl with a Hat said…
This is a fun twitter channel. https://x.com/wuikle/status/1981711356123652563
Anyone who is taller than average literally `looks down' on many others but the usage was emphasised historically by the rich and powerful often being on horseback, at a higher level than mere pedestrians! (Perhaps it's not a coincidence that in Iceland, ownership of Iceland has a very egalitarian society and, until relatively recently, the local, very small, horses were used universally for transport much as we use bikes and there was no separate equestrian class.
When it comes to executing monarchs and having a republic, we've been there, done that (30th January 1649- 29th May1660 ) - and had enough of it after little more than 11 years. We liked things as they had been and still do.

I like being part of a nation that does things differently and is somewhat contrary/paradoxical , but am very glad that I'm not ever going to be monarch.
Then there's *'s latest medical trauma she's just thought of:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/1oftmzi/megsy_and_her_strange_pregnancy_with_archie/
https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/?feedViewType=classicView

I assumed she'd meant amniocentesis but she was cribbing about ultrasound. Imagine it, `Just bare your tummy dear and lie there, nothing to worry about or be scared of.'
!!!
I want to make clear to Brits here that I have all respect towards the state system you have and I hope you understand that. My special knowledge is the history of England 1066-1603 and history after that is a very different thing but I'm learning all the time. So thank you all.

(P:S: One later favorite is Charles II for he did rebuild the higher aristocracy of England after the carnage of the Wars of the Roses and he was just one man.)

Maneki Neko said…
There was a mention of her 'ordeal' last week. These days you can screen for chromosomal abnormalities with a blood test. What's the big deal? Thousands and thousands of women go through pregnancy every year, some with very serious complications and I'm sure they don't complain about going to battery of tests. In any case, you do have blood tests in pregnancy. None of this will convince us that she was ever pregnant. We need more evidence. As for the ultrasound of baby Archie on her notice board, it may well be genuine but that doesn't mean she was pregnant - maybe a surrogate was.
@alianor
No problem! I realise we Brits can seem enigmatic when viewed from elsewhere.
@maneki neko
Thank you for this info - I hadn't realised that it was possible to use a blood test instead of amniocentesis. Even that would have revealed her real `truth' of course.
I don't for one moment believe that the ultrasound sound image she produced was taken from her. As you say, it could have been from the surrogate and I assume that all relevant details such as patient's name and hospital no. had been redacted.
Am I correct in remembering that there was some kind of message from BP saying that `Archie' was `safe with a family who love him?
CDAN blind yesterday:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/?feedViewType=classicView

The last sentence in this comment is interesting:
`She love bombs potential employees. Megsy must be extraordinarily convincing. Hey, she married a prince who's, allegedly, bi-sexual, and had no intentions of ever getting married'.
What do you make of this?
`Prince Harry STUNNED After Tom Bower REVEALS Meghan's REAL AGE'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWifes9pFpA

Might it explain the discrepancies in age between her and some of her school chums? It's almost believable but I'd like to hear it from Tom himself.
abbyh said…
Well I don't know IF I buy that she is 5 years older than she claims. And here's why:

Sam's book. full stop.
P 114 has a photo of Doria and Thomas getting married and it is dated 1979.

P 116 Photo of Sam with Bo (Tom Jr's puppy he got after M's birth P 67).
Below it is a photo of Tom Sr with M as an infant which came from his photo collection and is dated August 1981

P 128 Photo of M dressed in her graduation cap and gown, 1999.

This book would have been Samantha's chance to put in ink what the real birth year was. And yet she doesn't. If it were true, Sam could not be found guilty of libel if she put that in print. At that time, it's not like M could apply family pressure on Sam to toe the line about the real year.

Ninaki Priddy. Friends from age 2. Coming from her would have really sent shock waves back then. But she doesn't let that out if it were true. Why hold back?

So ... how to explain why the magazine has her at 21 when she is 15?

I could see someone putting out the lie to make it sound as if she were older than she was to help get her started (as in would not need a legal guardian on set so please consider her over someone else who would - deal with it later). That would be the kind of thing a kid might try.

Typo. The 5 and the 2 keys are sequential in an up and down while 1 would be used in both on the keyboard for easy typing. Fact checking was not that big a focus in this type of magazine compared to say the WSJ. (a friend was livid when a magazine put words in their mouth to spice up a quote. Were they called to verify the name? yes. What was not verified was what was actually said).

Perhaps, based on the experiences she had in high school, there was a thought of maybe going directly into action, skip college? This push of notice me in a magazine might be helpful. What would be interesting is to see what is in print about her which would be why to notice her.

If the 1979/80 was true then what was she doing for the 5 years between graduation high school and starting college? We don't hear of any early friends made at some casting call.

I have always been bothered that we have never seen any playbill from high school through college showing her as an actress. No year book photos of this. Or sorority year book photos. We get almost nothing from college and very limited high school - a former teacher maybe.


Girl with a Hat said…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15229081/Meghan-Markle-video-Archie-Lilibet-Harry-pumpkin-farm.html
Girl with a Hat said…
In that link I published - is Lilibet still wearing diapers at 4 years of age? And, is that Markus Anderson in that photo, and he's going on family outings? Isn't that odd?
Maneki Neko said…
I was about to post the same, i.e. the visit to the pumpkin farm and Lilibet wearing a nappy (lots of comments mention it). Why * bothers with photos of the children is a mystery. Their hair is mahogany, not ginger, although in one photo showing the sprogs at a Disneyland party, Lilibet's looks dark blonde with no red. I think the only point is to show what a lovely, wolesome family they are and how they always do fun activities with the children. This is as interesting as her jam/spread.
Girl with a Hat said…
Also, there is no one else at the pumpkin farm. This is the time of year when people bring their children to these farms to pick a pumpking. We've seen all the Hollywood celebrities do it with their kids, people like Heidi Klum and Charlize Theron.
How I loathe that word `sweet' now...
I thought it was probably an error by the magazine and that words were being ascribed to Tom B which he had not uttered. There was hint last week that Ninaki Priddy was going to spill the beans (https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/?feedViewType=classicView) but so far, nothing.

Here's her middle-school graduation in 1995, aged 13/14
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/beaming-meghan-markle-shines-14-13289234
and four years later:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5711269/Video-shows-17-year-old-Meghan-Markle-high-school-graduation-day.html

They all look as if their going to First Communion or Queen Charlotte's Ball.
(Both get-ups make me cringe - sorry, it's cos I'm English) .

Is there a photo, anywhere, of her in proper grown-up university-level graduation togs? If such a thing exists, she would surely have produced it.
There is one thing about the baroness you can always count on, I mean every single time and that is that every time she opens her mouth she lies. She is totally incapable to tell one truthful thing. It is like an illness. You can't major-double in theatre and international studies at Northwestern University and her timelines do not add up. She has never proved that she finished her studies the way she SAYS and all her proof is her SAYING it. No photos, no papers, nothing.

I'm an alumna of my country's number one university and I was interested in this. Though I have no great respect for Paula M channel she has very good piece 2.7.2025 about the duchess's university studies, it's worth checking.

When our baroness talks she lies.

Achie's hair seems to have been colored for it is dark down in his neck. The baroness faking Harry's children to look like Spencers. How original and authentic idea. The hair of his sister is strange, too and if she needs nappies they need a competent child psychiatrist. 10+ parents, don't you think?

@alianor - Thanks for finding that Paula M video, she certainly demonstrates that there's no way that MM graduated at Evanston, whatever else she may or may not have done. There are still so many loose ends though.
She got the Royal Family over a barrel right from the start - even if they were fully aware of the truth (highly likely IMO) what could they do? Answer: nothing without being accused of racism, today's equivalent of the `unforgiveable sin against the Holy Ghost'.
Her whole personality is an artificial construct. People who say she's like an alien who is play-acting a human are very near the truth. Authenticity? To misquote, methinks the lady doth protest too much.
Maneki Neko said…
* is supposedly showing the children's faces but they're blurred, whether by her or the media, so what is the point?
As a lot of comments say, Lili always looks unkempt and scruffy, with uncombed hair and often in pyjamas. What sort of a mother does that?
abbyh said…
I saw that too.

My only thought is that if she ever allows a full focus straight on (still, close up) shot, she would finally get the attention she claimed she didn't want for her kids standing outside the hospital and more. (I suspect all the pent up anger masking as frustration) would really come out).

Talking about photos, we don't see or hear about school runs. Just that one time when she was, as they phrase it, heavily pregnant. We don't hear from the mummies or nannies who also do school pick up dropping comments. Or school pictures. Year book. Or ... plays put on by the students (not even to appear in the background, let alone get a speaking part).* For some, it is quite popular to take a photo of the kid the first day of a new school year. None of that but we get the solitary pumpkin picking where the kids don't even get to have a school chum along for the fun.

* what will a graduation look like? a shot of the back of the head while wearing a cap and gown? A lot of small schools have graduations starting at kindergarten.

(the snarky side of me goes all out wondering what the kid could do once they learn that they too can have an Instagram account howbeit secret for a while and what they might post. Scenes from high school or college frat parties. Once that genie is out, she can't put it back in the bottle. It's game over for her control of the kids.
Girl with a Hat said…
These kids (if they are theirs, which I highly doubt) lead a sad existence under the control of an extremely domineering mother.
Just a thought, could the messy hair/wig, pink jimjams and bulky nappy be a way of disguising someone else's child? Take that lot off her and she becomes unrecognisable
Maneki Neko said…
Perhaps some of you are already thinking of Christmas presents. Look no further than *'s first Christmas range, Nutties! Among the offerings, you can buy 'two candles inspired by her wedding date and her August 4 birthday' ($64 a pop), also one which ''evokes the freshness of a day in the English countryside', according to a gushing description on her website.'. A day in the English countryside? I thought she hated England, what a cheek. There's also the predictable range of spreads and teas. Alternatively, you might prefer to order from a range of products from the Highgrove shop or Fortnum and Mason.
WOW folks the earthly paradise is here! Now you all can feel how a Hug of the Baroness makes your life perfect! The HUG of the BARONESS! That is if you use $64,00 to buy her Signature candle No. 084.

Wild Boar Battle-maid said she loathes the word "sweet". I have few more = "effortless" (when it's everything but!), "nod" (especially with "sweet"), curated (she doesn't know what it means), olive branch (there is a whole dump of those on her back yard), "royal fans" (an expression for idiots) and of course "organic" and "authentic" (like her hair, her teeth, her nose and her personality).

The sales text for her candles sounds truly obscene and that something is "inspired by M's own appreciation" makes one start to run for an escape!!

YIKES!!



Are there any undoubted/indisputable pics of Doria with the Harkles at the `pumpkin farm'?
I ask because a hello! article popped up in Yahoo news, and I clicked before I realised the source, but, inevitably I suppose, it was a back view. Could be anyone of similar shape & size, in a wig.
https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/863903/meghan-markle-doria-ragland-pumpkin-patch-archie-lilibet/
Maneki Neko said…
I intensely dislike the same words as you, especially when they are are overused. Don't forget 'curated' is 'carefully' and I particularly loathe 'elevated', as in * elevates a dish by sprinkling dried flowers over it.
Girl with a Hat said…
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Girl with a Hat said…
so she rents a mother as well as children now? LOL
Girl with a Hat said…
They were roundly booed at the baseball game yesterday.
Maneki Neko said…
'Meghan Markle accused of 'cashing in' on her regal links as she shows off notebook with her royal cypher in promo video for As Ever Christmas range.

...Ahead of the launch on Tuesday afternoon, the Duchess of Sussex, 44, shared a clip of her working at her laptop and perched on her desk was one of her new $64 candles and a blue notebook with her royal cypher embossed in gold on the cover.

...'Another example of Meghan putting her royal cypher on pretty much anything, you can see it on her notebook in the latest Instagram story,' an X user wrote.

'I rather think that was the point. Pretty difficult to sell a candle for that price if it's not royal,' another insisted.'

This is very strange considering * hates the BRF, she's always keen to emphasise her [very tenuous] royal links. Particularly strange in the US where people don't care about royalty. She must think that a 'royal' - I use the term loosely - product will sell.

Maneki Neko said…
Andrew has been stripped of his Prince title. I didn't think this was possible as he is a prince by birth. If this can be done to him, then it has created a precedent and the Harkles should be shaking in their boots.
Personally, I think this is a little bit harsh. Andrew is certainly no saint and he's disgraced the monarchy but there seems to have a relentless campaign against him (there are anti monarchy pressure groups). This doesn't make any difference to us mere mortals but will satisfy the Giuffre supporters.
Girl with a Hat said…
A lot more stuff is coming out about Andrew.
He tried to smear Virginia Guiffre and got the Met Police to try to help him.
He lied about cutting off contact with Epstein.
He partook in orgies with young women (maybe minors)
He did a lot of scuzzy stuff with wealthy people, selling access, and accepting bribes, etc.
Unpleasant fellow also.
Well that's Andrew's new life then as mr Mountbatten Windsor and I must admit that I am not sorry. I hope he can live his life quietly and privately away of publicity hereafter.

But I do wonder the words of the King about ALL victims and survivors. Is he offering an apology to not only the Epstein sex slaves but MORE THAN THAT to the young British gang rape victims who the British government has again betrayed? If it is it is a very powerful move and very honourable!

Presumably the precedent was set by George V in 1917 when he stripped the German relatives of their British princely titles.
I agree that the campaign against him has been relentless and that many people are confused/ignorant about just what `leasehold' means, as opposed everyday renting.
As we all doubtless expected, a display of breathtaking entitlement:
https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2025/10/blind-item-11_0540283169.html

The comments include a worthwhile offering from `Scottish Wildcat' a familiar name IIRC.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/lord-chancellor-david-lammy-remove-223851199.html

Press Association reports that the Lord Chancellor will remove Andrew's ducal title. PA is reliable source of info.
Humor Me said…
Wow - I thought I would never see Andrew stripped of his titles et all. Just wow.
Maneki Neko said…
@Wild Boar

Thanks for the link to chad. I like these two comments:

Mango - Megsy wants to walk about Kingston looking solemn and saddened while her personal photographer takes lots and lots and lots of photos of her.

night music - Maybe her plan was to go and renounce that she's 47% Nigerian or whatever she decided there and then claim she's 47% Jamaican? I wouldn't put it past her. She's totally forgotten the whole...Maltese thing.

TheGrangle said…
@Maneki Neto - Spot on and my thoughts exactly. Hopefully this will result in some very long overdue chickens coming home to roost for the Harkles and facilitate equally stringent measures to rein them in definitively, along with whoever else is driving the same anti monarchy led campaign against Prince Andrew which has been so relentless. Whilst he may be arrogant, entitled and extremely foolish, it should be remembered that he has not been found guilty of any crime as yet, nor does there appear to be any evidence whatsoever that he is a paedophile, a very serious accusation that the baying mob seem to revel in labelling him as, regardless of the fact that Guiffre was 17 at the time. When are the big name U.S politicians and corporate heads on Epstein flight logs going to be asked to give an account of themselves I wonder?
Magatha Mistie said…

Unprincipled

Andrew’s done and dusted
end of York house
Time for a clean sweep
soho and spouse
Lese-majesty
will warrant they’re next
Delivered via email
or Royal cypher text…

Magatha Mistie said…

@Alianor
Thank you for your reply.
I understand you don’t understand
the meaning of subjects.
@Maneki explained it perfectly.
I misunderstood, thought you were
deriding William and the RF.

Maneki Neko said…
In the DT
'The Government is refusing demands to change the law to remove Andrew Mountbatten Windsor from the line of succession.'

I wonder if this will apply to Harry and the bairns at some stage.
abbyh said…
Regarding the potential stripping of titles continuing - one of the comments questioned why they would need them as they don't live in the UK.

I think it's more that just they don't live in the UK. It's that they are doing nothing for themselves to really show that they are pro-UK, pro-monarchy. Sure, Invictus is around but it's more like the *show while less and less on the actual competitors.

It's also that they are not raising their kids in the UK so they aren't seeing what it is like to visit a small village or Westminster to get a sense of the long history of which they are part of. Or the food. Or how to behave during high tea. None of that.

SoCal is really nice but it's not exposure to how or what it means to be a citizen of the UK (let alone what it means to be a member of the BRF).

Girl with a Hat said…
1. Is Lady C implying that Andrew does cocaine in this video at the 10:00 mark?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thk9vHIiJLw
2. Does anyone know why Lady C is in the hospital? She's doing her video from her hospital bed!!!
Yes Wild Boar battle-maid and Maneki Neko gave both gracious and informative answers and as I said I enjoy learning from people who can explain things about the culture of modern Britain.

@Maneki Neko
I'm sure I read somewhere that we have a law prohibiting anyone being removed from the L of S.. I suspect that was established a long time ago to prevent a monarch acting arbitrarily to take out someone he didn't like, a parallel with the monarch being able to bestow titles and land on someone but not being able to take these honours away `when the wind changed'.
The time for sorting this out is when the Heir Apparent has actually succeeded. Until then, it's all hypothetical and a waste of time and effort to do anything about it. If it turns into reality, it's up to Parliament.
That's why there's no hurry about debarring Archie.
https://www.instyle.com/princess-diana-jewelry-history-11755543
How much of this is true?

re Lady C: She broke her pelvis in a fall. Nasty.
Get well soon, Lady C
Girl with a Hat said…
Thank you.
She seems to be defending Andrew in that video.
She also says that since Prince Philip was a Duke, Andrew can style himself as a lord.
I think that Andrew has got what he had coming, but that aught to be enough. The papers seem to seek his total destruction. That is inhumaine and cruel and worrisome. Not cricket.

Maneki Neko said…
I agree about Andrew. It feels like a witch hunt at this stage. He has never been convicted of any offences. It feels he's lost everything to appease a baying mob and particularly the Roberts family. They don't seem to have done much to help their daughter/sister etc, her father was driving her to assignments and it seems they're just after money. VG got her millions and they now want their pound of flesh. Yes, Andrew is odious but he has lost everything, enough is enough.
@alianor
I completely agree - it's utterly cruel. The papers should turn on some American offenders. I suspect that Markle's in it up to her scraggy neck. Allegedly , of course.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SaintMeghanMarkle/comments/1olc2kc/the_sugars_say_harry_hasnt_done_the_same_thing_as/
This is worth reading and thinking about - that Andrew, for all his arrogance and boorishness, has not intentionally attacked the Family and the Crown in the way that the Harkles have, although he may have `contaminated them by association'. He does understand the need for loyalty to the Crown.
(Just a thought that's popped up in my mind - how does his conduct compare with that of Edward VII - remember that chair that allowed him to receive the attention of several `ladies' at once? Perhaps the difference is that the papers back then didn't get hold of the story or declined to print anything.)
I'd also add that the first comment on Neil Sean's story asserts that `harry was not involved in an underage sex scandal'. I am sick of saying that what Andrew did in London was not against English law and he cannot be charged here. (It seems to me that, in some respects, in regard namely to sex and alcohol, 17th century Puritanism is still alive over the pond.)
No, Harry has done much worse to sex workers, thanks to his vile delight in violence.
OKay said…
Agreed. 17 is legal in the UK and in New York, where Andrew is alleged to have met Virginia. But there's not much meat to a story that says "Andrew has sex with female who consented," so now we have all this muck.
Girl with a Hat said…
I always wondered why * was chosen to do some charity work for World Vision in Rwanda and India. This explains it:

According to Bower, it was neither Meghan's rising star nor her work with UN Women that helped her land the job at World Vision, but down to her relationship with advertising executive Matt Hassell.

'To Meghan's good fortune, Matt Hassell, KBS's [former] creative director in Toronto responsible for the UN Women campaign, had fallen under her spell,' he wrote.

'Some would even say he was besotted by her,' Bower noted, explaining that Hassell 'insisted' Meghan was the right person for the job.

During his time as creative director for the award-winning Canadian advertising agency, Hassell directed Meghan for UN Women's 2015 campaign titled 'Leaders'.

Bower claimed that Hassell was initially unfamiliar with Meghan when they first met over Zoom, adding the ad man was even put off by her 'insistence' for complete creative control as the 'star' of the campaign.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15201295/Meghan-Markle-demanded-class-tickets-makeup-team-brought-suitcases-clothes-humanitarian-trip-Rwanda-charity-accused-racism.html
The Sussex sugars might think of the words of the baroness: "in those MONTHS when I was pregnant there were concerns and conversations about how dark his skin might be when he was born". The timeline she was talking about was between Eugenie's wedding and Archie's birth and the persons who were talking were the King and the Crown Princess of the Realm (as they are today) (the Dutch version of "Endgame"). So Harry and his wife EVEN TODAY CONTINUE to claim that Charles and Catherine used almost seven months to discuss and moan about the hypothetical colour of the skin of a baby who was going to be born as a member of the Royal Family of Britain.

They have NOT once said sorry, we LIED.

And that is just ONE THING they have said. (oh yes, and all British people are racists, that I almost forgot)

Mention of Tom Bower reminds me - the motto of his old school is `Rather Use than Fame'.
Such a pity * doesn't live by such a mantra
Maneki Neko said…
I agree entirely, @Wild Boar
Maneki Neko said…
That would certainly explain it.
In that case, if William and Catherine were such racists, allegedly, along with the rest of the country, why is Harry so keen to rejoin the RF? And why is * selling a candle that 'evokes the freshness of a day in the English countryside'?
abbyh said…
Article in the DM about how she is trying for a seat at Taylor Swift's wedding.

My first thought was along the lines of that already has potential to be crazy before she would show up. The comments are running along the lines of she would likely be disruptive by wearing white or that she does have experience at weddings already.

My next thought was: yeah, she'd probably announce her divorce.
Maneki Neko said…
Has she even been invited or is will she gatecrash the reception (and make it about herself)??
Girl with a Hat said…
Story in the DM about * and hairball going trick or treating, but not a single photo of the invisikids or their costumes.
abbyh said…
Saw that too. She doesn't look happy. And him? you know it is more of the dancer's not dad bod wearing sunglasses in the photos like the dance video to bring on the birth of the daughter. The camera always adds about 10 pounds or so ... so I am never convinced it is him. Add to it that I don't get the impression he is super willing to do this, offer such PDA (didn't he get trashed recently by her for trying to touch her?) as it is not in alignment with his alleged values.

That always makes me highly suspicious. (and I have been in that part of California and the need for sunglasses is highly over rated unless you remember the scene from the Woody Allen movie about the guy wearing almost a body suit with built in sun glasses to protect himself from UV - as I recall).

But that's me. Your take may be different.
Neil Sean tells us that the baroness understands the Andrew situation to be her gate back to the royal balcony as the most important person in the Family. And not only that: she seems to think that she will be in a position to dictate her terms.

If she truly believes that she can waltz back to Britain with all the goodwill of people she must be very ill. But I do wonder if the sussex-duo think that when the money in California is no more they can come back and be even more popular than when they were just newly engaged? That is what she seems to tell Harry and we all know that that intellectual giant is ready to believe anything his wife tells him. All this is very interesting and we shall see how their schemes will progress.

@Alianor
Sadly, she has nobody to tell her that, were she to swan back here in hope of taking over, her in-laws are in a position to get her `sectioned' under the MHA, I believe, and held in a cosy mental establishment, far out of public view.
Of course, even if she were apprised of this fact, there's no way she'd take any notice and an unedifying struggle could follow as she is `persuaded ' to get into the ambulance. I wait with bated breath.
Girl with a Hat said…
Has anyone ever watched this - Ch5. - The Meghan Effect: How She Shook Up the Royal Family (2025) ? Is it worth spending the time?

https://avxlive.icu/video/The.Meghan.Effect.How.She.Shook.Up.the.Royal.Family.2025.html
Girl with a Hat said…
https://archive.is/a80nj

Lots of good royal tea at this link. Not just about the repulsive duo.
Girl with a Hat said…
Here is a video where you can get a glimpse of the back of the alleged kids in their Halloween costumes.
Lilibucks looks extremely tall for her age.
https://x.com/nancytsidley/status/1985026817905111042
abbyh said…
I remember that Dior dress as speculation that it was purchased with the idea she would need it to attend the Academy Awards that year. They weren't invited and she needed something for that dinner. I could be wrong though.
Girl with a Hat said…
Sunday, November 02, 2025
Blind Item #4

I'm not sure which was more staged. The Halloween photo op with their personal paparazzo once again present, or the "celebration" after the Dodgers win that included a friend who according to her own Instagram was watching at her own house with her own kid and then somehow managed to run over to the alliterate one's house and pose there.

https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2025/11/blind-item-4_2.html#disqus_thread
Girl with a Hat said…
That is my recollection as well. I remember the rumours that the trip to Morocco was arranged at the last minute by the Brits to prevent them from going to the Oscars. There hadn't been any royal visits to Morocco for decades because of some sort of issue about how the royals had been treated the last time.
Maneki Neko said…
Ah yes, Backgrid! Yes, Lilibucks does look tall. As usual, * is showing the children and not showing them.
Maneki Neko said…
I do remember something of that kind. That tent dress was not nice and I think that was the time when a reporter was heard to say * was repugnant.
Methinks * posing as a ghoul is not so different from her usual appearance.
Maneki Neko said…
'Shrieking' Meghan Markle celebrates LA Dodgers' World Series win alongside an unimpressed Prince Harry - but fans criticise Duchess for 'not being in the moment' and 'staging' clip

She's jumping up and down while Harry looks distinctly unimpressed. Another fake feeling.
Maneki Neko said…
Meghan Markle 'engineered' her Royal wedding to Prince Harry - but Prince William 'saw right through' her claimed Lady Elizabeth Anson, Royal insider reveals

...Indeed, the future King was said to have 'seen right through' Meghan's plans to marry the British bachelor Prince, and feared she had zero plans of remaining in the Firm for the long haul.

The allegations by Dampier followed revelations by the late Queen's cousin and eldest confidante, Lady Elizabeth Anson, that the Monarch was apprehensive about Meghan's intentions.

Great-niece of the Queen Mother and a goddaughter of King George VI, Lady Elizabeth, who died on November 1, 2020, was also apparently suspicious of the former Suits star's motives on the eve of the royal wedding.

Having served as her Majesty's party-planner and confidant for many years, she allegedly said just days before Meghan and Harry walked down the aisle: 'We hope but don’t quite think she is in love. We think she engineered it all.'

She also warned: 'It’s worrying that so many people are questioning whether Meghan is right for Harry. The problem, bless his heart, is that Harry is neither bright nor strong, and she is both'.

‘Meghan is clearly brighter than Harry, but she has to be careful not to overshadow him', she added.

Lady Elizabeth's words were revealed by journalist and royal biographer Sally Bedell Smith in her Substack 'Royal Extras', describing their private conversations.

Lady Elizabeth apparently told Ms Bedell Smith at the time: ‘I don’t trust Meghan an inch. Meghan could turn into nothing but trouble.'' (DM)

Lady Elizabeth clearly saw through *. A pity Harry wasn't as clear-sighted.
The baroness engineered her wedding to Harry but in the beginning she was quite convinced that if she could get William to understand how hot woman she was her way to the queendom of Britain was a sure thing. The way she ogled that poor man was indecent and she did not even try to conceal it. A real killing spider woman.

I believe she hates William who didn't give two hoots about her and that was extremely humiliating for her. And she hates Catherine who is so beautiful and the love of William's life.

The much-derided former MP, Anne Widdecombe, nailed it right at the start with
`She's trouble'.
Maneki Neko said…
'Meghan is mocked for her new Christmas recipe... boiled water! Duchess baffles fans by preparing 'mulled' drink - missing some very key ingredients

...Fans were baffled by the recipe and accused the former actress of effectively making a pot of 'mulled water', with one likening it to 'air freshener in mugs'.' (DM)

Basically, boiled water and her $16 Spiced Cider Mulling Spice Kit from her lifestyle brand. As one of the comments said, 'Yeah, nothing says Christmas like glugging down boiled potpourri.'. And apparently, * wants to be a billionaire using her brand...
Girl with a Hat said…
There's a rumour that some sort of Arab billionaire prince who is part of the Saudi royal family financed her trip to Paris but I don't remember where I saw that

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