According to a settlement with the British Royal Family, Harry and Meghan will no longer use their HRH titles and will repay 2.4 million pounds of public cash spent on Frogmore Cottage. They will no longer formally represent the Queen, and receive no more public money in return for Royal duties.
The Queen's Statement was as follows:
Statement from HM The Queen
Following many months of conversations and more recent discussions, I am pleased that together we have found a constructive and supportive way forward for my grandson and his family.
Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved members of my family.
I recognise the challenges they have experienced as a result of intense scrutiny over the last two years and support their wish for a more independent life.
I want to thank them for all their dedicated work across this country, the Commonwealth and beyond, and am particularly proud of how Meghan has so quickly become one of the family.
It is my whole family’s hope that today’s agreement allows them to start building a happy and peaceful new life.
What do you think of the statement, and of the settlement?
The Queen's Statement was as follows:
Statement from HM The Queen
Following many months of conversations and more recent discussions, I am pleased that together we have found a constructive and supportive way forward for my grandson and his family.
Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved members of my family.
I recognise the challenges they have experienced as a result of intense scrutiny over the last two years and support their wish for a more independent life.
I want to thank them for all their dedicated work across this country, the Commonwealth and beyond, and am particularly proud of how Meghan has so quickly become one of the family.
It is my whole family’s hope that today’s agreement allows them to start building a happy and peaceful new life.
What do you think of the statement, and of the settlement?
Comments
what is Hairy waiting on to get out of the UK and to Canada with his beloved wife and baby. Supposedly he is free now so he doesn’t have to ever do anything for the Monarchy anymore. So why isn’t he out of the hated UK and away from ALL the detested people., including the RF?
Maybe he isn't leaving at all?
https://theivychelseagarden.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2019/11/ALC_CHELSEA_WINTER_2019.pdf
"He was joined by his son's godfather Mark Dyer - who donned a blue suit - and a group of minders."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7905461/Leaving-drinks-Prince-Harry-spotted-time-Megxit-deal-revealed.html
Mel in SoCal,
There's a video in the article. It's mortifying. First association for the way of doing things in gang ridden area is extortion, violence, murder, not something noble and cool and brave as Haddish seems to imply.
Elle, ditto :)
January 19, 2020 at 8:08 PM
Hi All: I think they may be choosing Vancouver because Meghan wants to live in LA, but HM will likely have none of that. They were probably TOLD if they want to live in North America, they must stay within the commonwealth and live in Canada. Vancouver is the closest Canadian city to LA.
It’s an easy north-south flight. Don’t have to cross time zones. She can go to NY or Europe if she does a deal with Givenchy as needed. Most of Meg’s business will be in LA.
I agree with that article that the whole security thing is a complete 'mess'.
Armed British police officers - which is what RPOs are - cannot operate in Canada or wherever the Harkles land up. And I don't see why Canadian police should have to protect them either. Even if the UK is billed for the - enormous - expense, that would involve a lot of paperwork and would of course also involve taking resources away from the Canadian policeforce. So even if Canadian taxpayers don't pay directly, they do pay in the sense that police who could be protecting them are diverted to cater to the lifestyle choices of these two chancers.
Since the Harkles are not HRH, are not carrying out duties on behalf of the crown and are not resident in Britain, why should they have any police protection at all? Why can't they just hire private security men like other celeb types do? They want to be private citizens, don't they?
It's not really up to the queen. The Home Office decides who is entitled to police protection. Hopefully now that they are no longer HRH and no longer representing the queen, their protection will be curtailed. Given the current climate in the UK, with a lot of talk about police cutbacks and rising crime, politically it would not be a wise move for the taxpayer to have to pay millions of £ to indulge these two grifters, while ordinary people are suffering due to a lack of police on the streets.
https://star4cast.com/harry-and-meghan-exit-stage-left/
https://star4cast.com/harry-meghan-misjudging-the-public-mood/
https://star4cast.com/meghan-and-harry-family-tangles-writ-large/
https://star4cast.com/harry-and-meghan-ahead-a-sobering-reality-check/
The last article has this piece of advice from the astrologer, which I found accurate:
Odd other non-astrological thoughts. If you’re in the public eye don’t read the media. Liz Taylor who started as a child star read no magazines or newspapers about herself. Sensible.
The media can be scabrous – they can also be helpful for publicising good causes like Invictus. Diana made a pact with the devil when she got into bed with them to fight her own private vendetta. But making an enemy of them is equally as stupid and equally as likely to blowback. Kate Middleton had fairly horrendous media coverage for years and almost never reacted except over sunbathing pics. Ditto Camilla. They kept their heads down and weathered the storms. The Princess Royal is a class act for coping with (ducking) the media. Her romantic life has been colourful over the years but little has emerged. Charles and sons went to Gstaad to ski and complained about photographers. Anne, I think, went to Norway to ski and I never saw a pic of her.
Not everything you read in the media as hard fact is true but if the comments that Meghan and Harry reacted badly to being ‘ousted’ by the four generation pics of Queen, Charles, William and little George, then I despair. For years we had the whining Princess Margaret kvetching about having to walk behind the Queen and never being first. She had all the money, residences and wealthy friends she could ask for and could have done anything with her life. 99.99% plus of the population never get to be first.
Rebecca English twitter: Prince Harry has spoken emotionally tonight of why he and wife Meghan have decided to walk away from royal duties.
all I can say is: spare me.
I have a feeling there is something crucial the public hasn't been told. The more I think about this whole situation, the more bizarre it seems. It's as if Meghan and Harry must leave now, no matter the cost.
Sorry, can't be clearer on this as people were talking in the room whilst I was trying to listen but I'm sure it will make headlines soon enough.
He uses a speech at the charity he's supposed to be supporting to make it all about himself and his wife? What a spoilt, immature twit. Why would anyone pay him for speaking engagements when he has to make it all about him?
https://youtu.be/-S6AzPBALwc
First comment on the video:
"He married a trollop."
Last comment:
"Human lice."
Ouch.
Interesting about Meg supporting her grandmother who was suffering from dementia. Certainly a different side of Meg.
@Isn’s Girl: Meghan has bern a predator for a LONG time. And don’t forget that Doria once told Meghan to Never do anything for anybody for free. Always get something in return.
Perhaps Meg’s granny had something in her estate that Meghan wanted. Yes, I believe she’s that much of a shark. Look how she has treated Harry’s granny. All people are objects to be used by the narcissist to advance their agenda.
Charles was an object who walked her down the aisle.
HM was an object who approved of the marriage and gave her the royal title.
Harry is the object she used to obtain the royal title, instant status, and fame she could NEVER hope to achieve on her own. She continues to use him as a vehicle to launch the life she has always planned to lead following the wedding. She never intended to ever live in the UK.
Archie is an object to be used to create a public image that she is a caring, loving, doting mother. In private, Archie is likely being raised by the nanny.
Archie is also a useful prop for situations such as the reveal with Tutu in SA. He will also be useful for her to have the “credentials” to launch a line of TigTots clothing. nursery furniture, baby accessories and supplies such as prams or strollers, organic baby food, and toys. He will make a fine prop for merchandising.
Narcissism starts very young. She was likely a narc by a very early age.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html?logout
His speech in full
I think this drama queen likes the spotlight as much as his wife. And who was JM referring to on her social media as a bully? The RF? This is gonna be all out war. Buckle up everyone.
It is a major issue but I guess they were leaving it til last because it's not within the royals' power to decide it. It's up to the governments of Britain and whatever country they set up shop in. But when the Harkles published their stupid website, they were under pressure to come up with a 'settlement'.
I suspect you-know-who wrote it. It sounds like her 'style' and there are so many references to her. Why does she need to be mentioned? She's not the patron of the charity. He is/was.
Oh, and it's clear as day they are not happy with the deal. He says specifically that he had hoped to continue doing royal duties. For the 3rd time today (at least!) all I can say is - I hope she's worth it, Haz!
Yes, he wants to eclipse William. That's what drives him, and Meghan's feeding off that like a succubus. They'll go after William and Catherine with their expensive PR.
I can make you a hot chocolate toddy with rum or serve up a chilled Chardonnay. Let me know your preference, then we'll decide on virtual snacks to go with.
What a mess!!!!!!!!!!!!!! p.s. where is Archie?
"The British taxpayers will of course because how can you ask someone else to take on this enormous challenge and expense?"
They are private citizens. Let them hire a burly security man like all the other celebrities.
he's there supposedly as patron of an AIDS charity. Yet instead of talking about the unfortunates suffering from this disease, he makes it all about him and his wife and how they can't have their cake and eat it too! It's the South Africa 'documentary' all over again: Using underprivileged people as a backdrop for your whining about how tough your immensely privileged life is.
Just go Harry. Please. Just go. And don't let the place doors hit you on the way out.
Plus, he had to mention he was Diana's second son. Pathetic, entitled, dense and self-absorbed just as we suspected.
here is an audio recording of a speech he gave at a dinner for Sentabale:
https://www.instagram.com/tv/B7hJIMRHKjb/?utm_source=ig_embed
I think he is still very deluded abut Meghan!
@ mimi: Here's some Diet Coke!
@ Happy Days: Excellent post. It appears MM took Doria's "wisdom" to heart. What an awful thing to teach a child. It makes me skeptical about MM as a caregiver. Unfortunately, some people are very eager to care for the elderly with dementia for all the wrong reasons.
I think when HMTQ notified Jennifer Meyer the jewelry maker, MM was arrogant enough to believe all they had to do was "step back" and then they could merch in their "progressive new role." I am relieved that HMTQ said no to this ridiculous maneuver. It was another attempt to gatecrash.
Getting a glass and going to read and watch this speech
So, why no choice at all? Archie?
His demeanor betrayed his unhappiness.
Prince Harry Sentebale speech in full
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Prince Harry told the audience at a London restaurant: “Before I begin, I must say that I can only imagine what you may have heard or perhaps read over the last few weeks,” he told the audience at a London restaurant.
“So, I want you to hear the truth from me, as much as I can share – not as a Prince, or a Duke, but as Harry, the same person that many of you have watched grow up over the last 35 years – but with a clearer perspective.
“The UK is my home and a place that I love. That will never change."
Prince Harry continued by saying he and Meghan do "everything we can to fly the flag and carry out our roles for this country with pride."
He added: "I have grown up feeling support from so many of you, and I watched as you welcomed Meghan with open arms as you saw me find the love and happiness that I had hoped for all my life.
"Finally, the second son of Diana got hitched, hurray!
“I also know you’ve come to know me well enough over all these years to trust that the woman I chose as my wife upholds the same values as I do. And she does, and she’s the same woman I fell in love with.
“We both do everything we can to fly the flag and carry out our roles for this country with pride.
"Once Meghan and I were married, we were excited, we were hopeful, and we were here to serve."
Prince Harry said the decision was made with "great sadness" and was not "made lightly."
He added: “For those reasons, it brings me great sadness that it has come to this.
“The decision that I have made for my wife and I to step back, is not one I made lightly.
"It was so many months of talks after so many years of challenges.
"And I know I haven’t always gotten it right, but as far as this goes, there really was no other option.
“What I want to make clear is we’re not walking away, and we certainly aren’t walking away from you."
She will dump him. Soon. She thinks she's the big draw.
Harry should be ashamed of himself.
The four patronages MM was given by the Queen were THE ASSOCIATION OF COMMONWEALTH UNIVERSITIES (ACU), MAYHEW, THE NATIONAL THEATRE, and SMART WORKS. I feel bad for these associations and hope the Firm finds better family members with authentic interest to represent them.
For someone who boasted about her plans to hit the ground running, she really did very little with her assignments.
Harry has a lot of patronages and I'm not sure which are private although I do think Senebale and Invictus are - but what about all the others? They include DOLEN CYMRU, HENRY VAN STRAUBENZEE MEMORIAL FUND, THE LONDON MARATHON CHARITABLE TRUST, MAPACTION, RHINO CONSERVATION BOTSWANA, ROYAL AIR FORCE BASE HONINGTON, ROYAL MARINES, THE RUGBY FOOTBALL LEAGUE, RUGBY FOOTBALL UNION, RUGBY FOOTBALL UNION ALL SCHOOLS PROGRAMME, RUGBY FOOTBALL UNION INJURED PLAYERS FOUNDATION, SILVERSTONE HERITAGE EXPERIENCE, SMALL SHIPS AND DIVING- ROYAL NAVAL COMMAND, and WELLCHILD.
I'm assuming he won't be working with his military patronages any longer.
The Harkles have sure left a mess behind in so many ways.
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NeutralObserver said...
"@Vince, Mimi, Bluebell, apologies if this has already been commented on. I think @Sandie is correct re: patronages. The patronages given to the Harkles by the Queen, ie. National Theatre, Commonwealth, will no longer be theirs according to several articles I have read. Sorry, don't have the links. Harry Markle Blog may have alluded to this. The statement from the Queen says they will keep their 'private patronages.' Maybe Invictus, & Sentebale? This may be incorrect. Sometimes there is a lot of confusion in the early days of a breaking story."
https://dam.tmz.com/document/a9/o/2020/01/19/a98955056900433dad162e5410a56310.pdf
Harry has to move on : he can't help playing Diana card : "when I lost my mum 23 years ago...".
He must go away.
People don't need further explanation. Each side has its on understanding of what happened and I highly doubt it won't change with a last-minute speech.
He is blinded by his anger, the hatred he feels for his family.
This speech was - again - inappropriate. That must stop. This is not a playground. Both of them have no manners, they have no shame. That will cause their downfall.
I wish he could enjoy a quiet life with his family, enjoy PRIVACY, find peace and his own identity.
He could be more than Harry Markle, he could be more than the spare, he could be more than Diana's son.
*in some way tied to the lawsuits, not the main motivation. Sort of kill two birds with one stone thing...
@ Elle, reine des abeilles. "So, why no choice at all? Archie?"
That is what I have been wondering all along. If no baby, and we know that intro piece used a doll as well as a smirking Harry, then perhaps BP was wanting to make this clear to all. Fleeing the country may just have been the only choice as then they wouldn't have to show him at all (except in very poor Photoshopped pics). Such lies, if endorsed by the Crown, would bring a swift condemnation of the Monarcy and cut them off at the knees. Far too risky! My speculation only. The only think I find puzzling about this scenario is the appearance of a baby in SA, although it was evident to many that his "mother" had no clue how to hold him or even relate to him in that special way that an actual mother does. Also, what about the Christening photo and the one that the Queen used in her Christmas message?
I am beginning to despise Harry. While not given to conspiracy theories, I believe 100% that they introduced the Darren doll to the public, being careful not to show too much of him. There was no reaction at all when she touched his head (roughly, I thought) and Harry's comment about a hairy face was just to mock everyone as this particular doll is known for its tiny facial hairs. I am not saying there is no actual baby produced by a surrogate, and it would likely have their DNA, but come on! That introduction was just one huge farce.
FrenchieLiv,
Agree with everything.
All this brouhaha may very well be about Archie. Presentation was extremely odd. As was everything in connection to that child.
And the majority of British people feel exactly the same way.
Sayonara Hapless.
I can’t help it. I want him to be happy and successful. Maybe this is stupid and maybe this is brilliant. I want to give him time to find out.
If you love him so much, how about starting up a Go Fund Me for this moron's security expenses?
We all recall that sad day when he AND William walked behind their mother. I think he is taking it on too much by choice to get sympathy quite honestly - and because the evil one has likely fed it to him, over, and over, and over...
Ha. Prince Harry is going to do his own laundry? I don't see it.
Doesn't he live in a cottage on the Sandringham Estate? Was he actually at Windsor back then? Just curious.
"They" certainly are not welcome back. He, maybe.
Meghan will likely never show her face in public in Britain again, and I'd be very surprised if there is a single member of the royal family who does not despise her.
"Darling, looking forward to your first annual account of the foundation. How much is your part? About 90% like your role model? Won't go down well with his family. Btw hard times for your friends in politics are coming."
There is Trudeau & Epstein stuff suddenly on the nets.
2020 definition of Coverslut "Urban Dictionary" style
Coverslut: Skanky fame "ho" who arranges 10-minute charity visits, (AKA appearances for photo ops) in order to appear on as many front page news outlets (tabloids, SM, or MSM) as possible to boost her own fame and "popularity."
She will never be welcome in the U.K. again.
Reading between the lines of the speech, Harry thought he could have things their way, and somebody finally said "no".
The "truth" may never be known in our lifetimes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCRy5aaNkus
Re: this video of Sun photographer Arthur Edwards talking about the Harkles, I thought he was very fair. At about the 9:20 mark he says that MM got a very good reception her first year, huge crowds, she was very engaged. Then he says "something happened" and MM decided this life wasn't for her anymore. He later goes on to say that Archie's birth was a turning point, as was their trip to South Africa. He says the trip was a big success, they were getting good press, and then at the end of it the Harkles turn around and announce they're sueing the media.
Arthur Edwards is pretty clear MM is the problem and that Harry is killing himself to keep her happy.
It's a long video, 23 minutes, but I do think it's fair and balanced if anyone is interested in watching it.
For what it is worth, I am not a conspiracy theory and I never posted about this on the internet, but at the time, I thought for sure Charlotte was a doll. https://nationalpost.com/news/world/presenting-princess-charlotte-elizabeth-diana-duke-and-duchess-of-cambridge-announce-baby-name she slept thorough a flyover
@kitkatkisses yes PP was at Windsor at the time. That is when they took the pic of HM and PP and doria with Archie.
Completely agree.
Tatty,
I'm sorry you are mad/sad.
He is every bit as bad as her. The charming, fun loving Harry of yore was a persona created by palace PR. Now that that's gone, we'll see the real Harry, and it won't be pretty. These two deserve one another. Water finds its own level.
Yes. I’m one of those Brits who feels very differently . 😤 That awful speech was nauseating. 🤢
When is he leaving!?! Why isn’t he gone already?!🤔
I saw the video. Edwards cares about Harry. Relationship with William seemed to have completely been broken at the time of the birth, too. I remember one RR saying in retrospect that William dropped his brother like a ton of hot bricks last spring.
I repeat, these slurs have nothing to do with this blog.
To try put the record straight: I don't know where you were in the years of the latest Troubles, whether you support the Green or the Orange or which side of the pond you’re on, but -
One’s sexual preferences had nothing to do with being an IRA target. Being connected with the Crown or Government increased the risk, (MPs blown up in Palace of Westminster, members of Conservative Party blown up in a Brighton hotel, Green Jacket bandsmen blown in half in Hyde Park, Household Cavalry men & horses destroyed in Hyde Park, Royal Marine bandsmen blown up un Deal). Ordinary people going about their ordinary business - enjoying a quiet drink in a pub in Guildford, vehicle bombs in Bishopsgate, Manchester, Knightsbridge… and so on.
What I'm objecting to is the unwarranted ascription of ridiculous motives to terrorists/freedom fighters and ignoring what really went on.
Just don’t give me that crap about Mountbatten in this context. There’s nothing new in those press reports - why didn't you drag in Larry Olivier & Noel Coward as well? We know about Edwina's affairs as well- it's old hat, you’ve just outed yourself as a racist, by the way.
For any who is open to the truth, William of Orange had the full support of the Pope in his `invasion’ of Britain and at the Battle of the Boyne. James II & VIII was backed by the absolutist French king and opposed by the Pope. It was all a matter of Continental power politics, William III had no interest in the `protestant cause’ as such. Sorry. The last time I was in Dublin, the National Museum of Ireland had an excellent display showing how the Battle of the Boyne wasn’t what a lot of folk think it was. So ask them if you don’t believe me.
Just don’t ask MM, she was a disgrace in Ireland.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I think the Middletons were the saving of William.
Yessss, I am also curious about this.
@Liver Bird "And how utterly childish and brattish for him to hijack a charity event to whine about his massively privileged life in public." Agree in spades. He is obnoxious.
In psychology we would say that Harry’s experiences and feelings are his own and he is allowed to express them without dimishment. In other words, few people have had a world known parent die in tragic circumstances that played out in the world’s media and who was required to publicly walk behind her casket and hear the overly dramatic wailing from the crowds.
It’s easy to say he is an adult and should get over it, but when you have kidd, you relive all the things from your childhood that are unfair.
Time will tell.
I would believe MM became progressively more angry when the Vogue edit was not the break the internet moment she was after, nor was the Smart Works collection she "curated" and the SA tour was a flop. I believe in her mind these were incredible feats, and she was incredulous when the rest of the world didn't respond in kind. When H&M decided to carve out a "new role" the Firm finally called their bluff and said, no dice. Honestly, I thought it might happen after the H&M (the clothing website) debacle.
I don't know what she expects. They have routinely snubbed the UK, blamed everything on the media, and then slandered the RF as toxic. The split off from the family completely was not needed, just as the lawsuit against the Mail really doesn't make sense. She, if I understand it correctly, is blaming the Mail for why people have a negative impression of her.
I would like to see what if any new businesses got off the ground via Prince Andrew's pitch@palace. Andrew got millions out of his version of shark tank. I think it was mostly a scam that traded on Andrew's royal connection. It was tolerated for years by the BRF, would still be chugging along if not for A palling around with Epstein.
Yes, Harry has a victim mentality about him that I find particularly repulsive. He blames the press, William, Prince George, the Queen, his Dad, mean "racist/bullies" in the U.K., his old friends, Thomas Markle and Santa Claus. Neither he nor Megs take *any* responsibility for their own actions, or for how the public now perceives them. He is very entitled and spoiled.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: I think the Middletons were the saving of William.
Perfectly said.
After that, he should be off to Canada. SHOULD be.
There is a reception tomorrow night. Not sure he will attend that
Exacyly. She believed her own hype. All of her projects were vacuous and silly, she thought it was genius. The coverage she got was actually very positive with feeble criticism here and there.
The Mail she hates because of open comment section.
He said that lots of little girls want to be princesses but she'd tossed it away for money.
Bless him.
"Finally, the second son of Diana got hitched, hurray!"
He has two parents! This is so insulting to his father. What a nasty dig at Charles.
MArk Dyer as minders. Then, at some point, ELF came along as a minder and shaper. He always has had HM and PP to look out for his interests, even though their presence was constant but not hands on. He has always had someone to bail him out. So when has he ever set the direction for his life? Now MM is in charge of his life. But no one is supporting this directive for his life. He has alienated his brother. Moreover,
He is hindered from finding his own way by his mental capabilities and his lack of experience at living a life where no is there for him. Maybe is figuring out that he has lost the BFF as his rudder and ATM machine
i am curious - don't you feel for William too? you said Harry will always have a special place in your heart, fair enough. Diana herself said Wills "has the weight of the world on his shoulders", he feels very deeply and his mom's death hurt him probably even stronger than Harry. On top of that he carries enormous responsibility of being the future King. He never got excused, everybody always expected high standards. And he pretty much delivered.
Excuse me but Harry is just a spoilt child compared to him.
Well, Harry is showing the world that he has no dignity, no class, no gratitude, just whining to offer. When Markle mails back the rings in two years Harry will finally get the chance to mature, and maybe do some healing. Right now he is an insufferable ass.
The way William speaks about mental health issues demonstrates to me he is speaking from first hand experience.
Thanks for that clarification on the patronages. Makes sense.
@AvaC
Very much agree with you about Diana slipping into "tawdry celebrity" in her last year or so. That's exactly how I recall her, too. It was sad, but I agree that is what happened. That may be the same path for the Harkles now.
My apologies if I didn't respond to other people making remarks to me. So many comments to sift through these days, hard to keep up!
Feel almost sad in hearing about Harry's speech. Harry always seemed a bit "off" to me, but it appears as though Meghan has taught Harry all about victimhood, grievance and blaming others. There is currency in those toxic venues these days, but persons trafficking in those avenues are often angry, unlikable sorts.
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@torontopaper1
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Darling, looking forward to your first annual account of the foundation. How much is your part? About 90% like your role model? Won't go down well with his family. Btw hard times for your friends in politics are coming.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5189106/harry-william-end-two-year-feud-in-secret-peace-talks-with-megan-and-kate-but-duke-is-still-at-war-with-charles/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=scottishsuntwitter&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1579475443
The couple want to use the next year to ‘prove’ to the Queen they can make their new role outside of the Royal Family work.
But a source close to the couple said they will ‘absolutely not’ be doing any interviews.
‘They are very happy and grateful that Her Majesty has agreed to this new model of working and want to prove that it is possible. An interview is not part of that,’ the source said.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7905695/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-not-planning-tell-TV-interview.html
The Queen must have read them the riot act.
While Harry has been in that UK how many pap pictures have we seen in contrast with his wife In Canada?
It will be interesting to see if press interest in the US in them continues. M needs attention as much as most people need air.
Of course he has always had a resentment that bubbled away, the sibling rivalry thing because he was the spare and his brother was destined to be a King -
I could be way off base but it just seems like he was doing a payback to his family for all his grievances rather than being honest about what he wanted to achieve in life for himself and his son (if such a person exists). The phrase "What Meghan wants - Meghan gets" keeps ringing.
If karma works perhaps Archie will decide he resents being robbed of his birthright in time to come.
Whatever those two do with their lives now they will never be considered to be anymore than a footnote in history - They had a golden opportunity to be influential as hard working Royals - A real credit to the long history of an amazing family - And make a difference as patrons to many worthwhile charities.
Now in my opinion they will be just a couple of spoiled brats acting out in a most cruel way against a family that has done nothing but support them.
Dropping by for photo ops to merchandise some product is such a superficial and meaningless act and its all about self promotion.
These two are now offensive so the sooner the uproar dies down they can disappear as they have had their 15 minutes of fame as far as I am concerned anyway.
OMG, HappyDays! Evil minds think alike!
@SwampWoman: We just know Meghan’s behavior so well. Narcs tend to be one-trick ponies. She will continue to sell him the “It’s us against the world” victimization line of crap. He is on so incredibly deep that I wonder if he’ll ever manage to get out. Some people are in narcissistic relationships for decades, frittering away their life with an emotional vampire.
Harry's beef is now with Charles and Camilla. (allegedly)
Goodnight America. :)
What this speech says to me is that for all those people (including Harry Markle whom I really do adore) who say they got what they wanted, they obviously didn’t get ANY of what they wanted or he wouldn’t be so snippy and truculent. It says to me that something was unearthed that didn’t give them a leg to stand on, and they had no choice but to accept the terms the Queen was willing to dole out, terms that actually cast the BRF in the best light as loving and accepting. But they don’t want loving and accepting. What they wanted was $$$.
You are beyond offensive, calling me a racist. I never wrote one single racist thing (*in fact race was not at all the subject except in your mind). I gave a link to a Sun article. There is something deeply disturbing about you to say such a horrible accusation. I suggest you delete your offensive post like you told @ann. Grow up and learn to read.
And again you say something about the Pope which had Nothing to do with @ann's comment or the article in question. Evidentally you are anti-Catholic, and can't help contain your bigotry.
Leave me alone and leave religion out of this blog just like we don't want politics.
poppycock @ :53
The couple will be free to make millions from commercial deals with no oversight from Buckingham Palace who will be reliant on their word that any deals they strike will “uphold the values” of the Queen, granting the Sussexes their wish to be financially independent.
This is not going to end well. They are not known for making a lot of good decisions already so will it be like No, I'm not doing Vogue, No, I'm not doing Vogue oh, yes I am admitting to by the time there is nothing anyone can really do?
What does anyone know about how well Harry knows his grandmother's values, is willing to follow them and be able to convince his wife that what she wants is not in the range of acceptable? Thank goodness HM was able to say that she found their terms "undeliverable" and that she was not there to serve them. (to think otherwise - I don't know where the idea came from but it sounds like alcohol or drugs were part of the equation, but that is just my opinion).
This is HM as some of her finest. Not yelling, conversational tone of voice but clear that this is not going to work for her (without saying: this sounds like I am a bar maid and I've just been told to fetch another round).
In his speech: note: his decision for he and his wife? Not completely convinced he was the driver of that decision. As for there were no other options, rarely does it come to only this one which tends to come off as a grenade lobbed into the middle of a tea party.
CookieShark - I think you are right about how she viewed her contributions and where they ought to be viewed as instead of how they were. Add onto it, the whole lack of failure to follow protocol time and time again, the odd colors consistently every season change before you get into the whole question of what about their kid? bumpgate? doctor accountability questions.
What did she expect? I think of the narks (in my life) as viewing me (and others) as objects that you pull out of the closet when you need something done and shoved back in when no longer needed (that we have a life, obligations outside of their closet is unimportant to their plans). Perhaps HM was really thought of as a slot machine that you pull the lever and get the payout. After all, so far she has been pulling on it and gotten almost everything she wanted (well, not Windsor apartments, tiaras on tour and weddings).
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7905619/RICHARD-KAY-Prince-Charles-massively-sad.html
Charles feels guilty and is afraid that all this mess will be blamed on him again. He insisted on church wedding for the Harkles and retaining their HRH so they could always come back.
DesignDoctor
Substance abusers and remaining at that emotional age through time.
Yes. Can speak for personal experience of a family member who had some issues in their life. Uncomfortable giving a lot to details here but yes. I lived it.
Wow! Hazbeen's speech was highly offensive. He and his loving wife have created their own industry of how to perpetually offend everyone using bogus humanitarianism. What's even sicker, it's like this split with the royal obligations makes them behave like 2 year-olds given hammers and matches and telling them not to smash the windows or burn the house down.
Hang on folks. These two are too stupid to take direction and learn from mistakes. Their speeches are only going to get worse. Megs reminds me a lot of Leona Helmsley, the infamous Queen of Mean.
Diana used to say that Harry would do well with going into sports because that's what he was good at, and because she felt he wasn't good at academics. It's a shame he didn't stick to sport as his passion, because public speaking is not his forte. This new life of his probably won't last.
We've all seen enough Hollywood flashy marriage bust ups to know all of the signs.
Harry and these pity parties. FFS, he's the RickRolled meme for 2020 with this. Obvs, yes, he's quite angry and pushing it down. Something happened. They were forced out. That story will come out. Rach is not capable of being discreet, and the BRF has to drop it before Rach does, so this could be a bumpy ride for all of them. My money is on Wills for best moves.
@Mel In SoCal
I imagine Meghan must hate her with the passion of a thousand fiery suns.... Meghan is in for a bumpy ride if she takes on William, no matter what secrets Harry has exposed.
I'm sure Rach does hate her because Rach is a petty person who cares only about the superficial and must always be the smartest, prettiest, most talented, most charming, most successful, hottest person in the room. IMO, that's a sure way to be in a boring room, because then who is there for challenge and inspiration? Of course, if someone only wants the fawning, then it works, and that is all Rach wants.
Contrast that with Kate. I remember the photos of Kate standing with Reese Witherspoon. Now, I think Reese is adorable, but standing next to Kate, Reese looked a lot like I'd look (chubby, dumpy). Did Reese hate Kate for that? NO!
“She was just lovely and warm, elegant and composed,” Witherspoon revealed. “She also told a joke, and I immediately fell under her spell. She's just as magnificent as she seems to be. She's a very compassionate, socially conscious, deeply caring person.”
That's how confident, secure people behave. No such luck with Rach.
It will be interesting to see what Rach tries to do with Wills. I've got money on "she pushes her luck too far."
@Astrid ...this woman has him by the (they are round and they bounce) doesn't she? This would require that he had some to lose, and I'm not so sure.
KitKat, agree completely. Yes, they were forced out, but why? The change came with the pregnancy. That fact was obvious to all of us but has been noted several times in the past few days.
DesignDoctor
OMG, LOLOLOL perfect definition!
Narcissists always need an intimate partner fuel source. When one relationship is waning, they cheat in order to have a steady supply of narcissistic fuel.
If she cheats on Harry, she may actually be mean enough to flaunt it in his face. Whether she hides it or not, it would be excellent grounds for a divorce.
I believe Torontopaper hinted about attempted infidelity in one of their tweets within the last week or so.
Here’s the section of The Sun article I’m referring to:
‘HARRY — DON’T END UP LIKE THE OTHER GUYS’
He added: “I didn’t go to Meghan and Trevor’s wedding.
It was dad, Doria and a bunch of her friends. Not long afterwards, a year or something, she goes to Canada to film Suits.
“When Meghan moved to Toronto I did hear that at first Trevor paid for her rent there in Toronto while he stayed in Hollywood.
“He couldn’t relocate because of his business but he would fly out twice a month.
“But it started to be a problem for Meg and then they had a trial separation and she eventually completely dumped Trevor.
“Then it came out that Meg was having a thing with a celebrity chef there.
“It was really sad. I can’t believe she did that to him.
“I reached out to him after a couple of times and he said, ‘If you mention her name I’ll never speak to you again.’
“She did a number on him and he’s happy now, thankfully. Newly married.
“It’s very devastating for a man and especially for a man who put his heart and soul into it. It shows there was no real love there at all.
“I think looking back it’s just typical behaviour by Meg. She did the same thing with the chef in Toronto.
“Before long, she was with Prince Harry.
Thank you for verifying what I have heard. So, I think that may be part of Hazza's problem. Interestingly enough, I always thought my narc ex was very immature emotionally, too. Agree that H& M are feeding into/from each other's dysfunction.
Sorry that you lived with hardship related to those issues.
The new Harry Markle article is interesting. The cartoons are hilarious! H & M are being skewered.
Great comment. Completely agree. Truly fantastic burning of bridges in every sense.
Abbyh,
Whatever Andrew did in the dark, H & M will do in the open. There will be no coming back.
Also, the family is brewing with resentment, and all of them (except Harry) are much better actors than Meghan could ever dream to be.
"all of them (except Harry) are much better actors than Meghan could ever dream to be."
Brilliant observation!
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NOPE.
All of them are better actors ... and being well versed in stiff upper lip, they don't let their feeling betray their immediate response.
really liking the video of Author Edwards. Seems a nice down to earth guy who wouldn't be whining about the bad weather.
No! Do not believe it for a nanosecond that Kate will be talking to Sparkles anytime soon. As we all can imagine how upset Wills has been over the past few months and how much of a calming influence she has to be in these circumstances to him. I can barely stand to see Sparkle's mug in the press. Cannot imagine how W&K must feel after Sparkle's actions using Harry as her mouthpiece/puppet!
Yes, he outed her royally. But not many will care, because we already suspected she wasn't the most loyal person. To put it mildly.
@PortCity Girl, I don't want to be and am usually not the blog 911 response team lol, but I just saw all that crap above and SMH. Can you imagine if we didn't have each other at this point? I'd implode. And I, too, really appreciate the space to discuss it, so it seems like maybe respect what @Nutty has asked. But this was def not directed at you, so pls don't think that. I enjoy your perspective. elle
wizardwench
Back to you, Wizard Wench. :) I saw that you called it out as an inappropriate place and time, and it is. IDGI why people won't just set up accounts and use them. It's not like being anonymous or unknown makes the comments any less inane lol.
having this great space to vent.
I don't know how Nutty keeps up with all the comments. I've been sick all weekend and have had nothing else to do and can hardly keep up.
Harry is a fool and what shade did Meghan throw at Kate today?
Harry and Meghan are selfish, stunted, supremely shallow individuals with no capacity for empathy. As such, when they express a desire to serve, it rings hollow. Their desire is only for opportunity for self-aggrandizement. With no talents to compensate for lack of solid character, they will fail spectacularly in every endeavor.
Totally agree.
Also, Nuttiers, Crowns of Britain also has a new post up. I know some aren't fans, but I love her style.
Meghan doesn’t understand you are not helping the disadvantaged you claim to support by using their plight to highlight your personal struggles .
Harry knows better than to make charity appearances about himself, but since Meghan became his “handler” that is what we have.
God Save the Queen
Arthur minced no words when he talked about how beloved Harry has always been and how he changed after Sparkles.We all have witnessed the change in him, but it was interesting to hear from someone who has known PH so long.
I am Unknown because I have seen what happens to some posters who write something others or even one person, especially a strong dominate force takes offense at (or even nothing), It can be just something simple a personal opinion (which we all should have the right to express). Then one will get called names or be made to feel stupid by another.
And hardly anyone stands up for the abused person. Many here don't like the way Meghan acts but I see some unkindness here for absolutely no reason. I'm not your kin. I'm not your mate. I'm not your employee. or your child but that doesn't stop a few from attacking. It's Meghanish in behavior.
Think about, what is so hard to live and let live...be kind., scroll past. What is scary is that there is a mob mentality at times when the self imposed leader here attacks or criticises over nothing, absolutely Nothing. Why can't people focus on the topic at hand, Harry, Meg and the BRF.
"It's not like being anonymous or unknown makes the comments any less inane lol."
She condescends again!
Not me. I wanted to be a cowgirl.
It’s really sad that unless the Queen acknowledges you on this blog you are ignored and shunned.
Small wonder we want to be Anonymous.
Plus the Queen constantly reminds everyone of her specialness by acknowledging who has favor with her or not.
It’s actually boring and I am the fuck out of this BS.
Sparkles came along and has not only completely played him, but gave him the emotional payback of allowing him to wallow in that victimhood and validating it to serve her own ends. I may be wrong but that is what I see happening - that type of dependency is so very strong and like a drug in itself.
The plastic fish is openly called a fixer.
Also, good piece by Jan Moir on the possible future of the Harkles in America:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7905777/SARAH-VINE-JAN-MOIR-fears-Prince-Harry-Meghans-future-Canada.html
Please keep telling how important I am on an obscure blogger chat board.
Look I even have the Queen Bee as my avi, you must all bow and feed my shallow self esteem, which is obviously lacking when you feel the need to attack anyone who doesn’t defer to you.
They need this settled and the gory details forgotten so their image isn’t tarnished anymore than it already is.
LOLOLOL.
To the sane Nuttiers whose wit and insight I value, just gotta say:
FTR, if I were going to pretend to be something I'm not, I'd be something much cooler than anything I've stated here. I'm sure you all know that, but JIC.
They need this settled and the gory details forgotten so their image isn’t tarnished anymore than it already is.
I do not think anybody is going to forget this. If MM wrote the speech as is surmised, she was making sure PH had detonated his bridges behind him and there was no way back.
"It’s really sad that unless the Queen acknowledges you on this blog you are ignored and shunned."
So true!! She actually wrote for us to be ignored (but she deleted her all her mean comments in the last 3-4 monts, I checked two days ago).
Oh and I noticed a trick she uses to curry favor, when someone new comes on the blog she compliments them, so they are "Awwwwwwwwwwww I am beloved by the Blog Queen", and she routinely compliments others and that is how she gets support. lol
Oh and I am sure others will compliment back how witty, how astute she is, it is just a love fest but we are ignored I agree, and I was going to mention it before but I am glad you independently noticed it. Its like no one dares agrees with us or it will anger the Blog Queen.
I love cashmere and so does my bestie Catherine.
That video was good. Ah, the dropping of little things like linking the changes in Harry to specifics, the crazy doesn't make sense about the baby stories. Thought it interesting that he specifically says that H is trying to accommodate her wishes and not really anything about trying from her side. Or that by not accepting requests to meet with the press, she missed the chance to get to to know them and to have them ask her how she is. He's been around a while and the long term knowledge of the people is evident.
HappyDays and The Sun article.
Not only that she was stepping out on Trevor and Corey but that Trevor was paying for her apartment when she moved for Suits. All those claims of how rich she is because she was making all this money on Suits but he has to pay her apartment?
wizardwench
The idea that he is acting out because they didn't get what they want - yeah, I agree. And that he now has to go face her with the reality of what we didn't get. That's not going to be a happy to see you Hallmark made for movie moment.
What do you think the BRF uncovered that might have just lopped them off a the knees?
Now watch all her stans, proclaim how they love her drivel and please Queenie don’t leave us, we must keep hearing about your wonderful fab life and your cashmere twin sets.
Which has fuck all to do with the BRF, so who is going off topic, Elle?
@JHanoi re this, so true: I think all this megexit drama is hurting their Sussexroyal brand alot. They’re becoming a huge joke, it’s got to be toxic for their brand.
The Dumbartons are to their brand as the Grace Chemical Company was to Woburn, MA. And this is just the beginning. Think of what happens when the family really starts to slay.
I think there are few clues today that the Harkles did NOT get the “severance package” to which they thought they were entitled.
In Harry’s speech tonight he referenced being “Diana’s second son.” Make no mistake, that speech was written by Megsy and that is the beginning of her ghosting Charles. I have a feeling he cut their 2 million allowance in half AND a review of their finances will come along with the review of business activities next year.
Also, in the article about William and Harry supposedly healing their rift, there were several comments about Harry being angry at Charles. I’m sure it was the queen that was behind stopping the use of HRH and stripping military affiliations. The money was all Charles and Harry’s marching orders were to get as much as he could.
Do these two pay for anything? The nanny? Groceries? Diapers? It’s not like they have zero income of their own.
@Swampwoman, re the speech. Can that woman at least get some pronoun help stat?
@Nutty, thanks for creating this blog. I enjoy all of the intelligent and witty posts. Although, we may not always agree with each other, it is the train wreck called Meghan and Harry that keep us coming back. Let's just agree to disagree at times and, please, no name calling. I don't want Nutty shut down this blog.
Just my .02
Thanks, I'll go back to hiding.
FTR, if I were going to pretend to be something I'm not, I'd be something much cooler than anything I've stated here. I'm sure you all know that, but JIC.
I'm seeing Weird Al's "Party in the CIA" music video and hearing the song (in my mind)!
They better hope HMTQ and PP does not succumb to a heart attack anytime soon or they will end up being the most despised couple on the planet (I dare say). If people are angry about PA they ought to be equally angry about what these two miscreants are doing to two loving very, very old grandparents and their Sovereign.
God Save the Queen and the Prince Consort!
"I'm seeing Weird Al's "Party in the CIA" music video and hearing the song (in my mind)!
Hell, yeah! OMG, ROFLing!
I'm an artist so always thinking of what to draw and paint next; and right now I imagine a silhouette of a couple in a sailboat and falling off the flat earth...similar to that awesome Far Side cartoon of the crisis clinic building, on fire and going over a waterfall. I so love Far Side.
You are back to your old tricks, calling names! You were slammed over and over for calling names and insults. Oh and you said you had a masters and were so much smarter. You even accused a poster of doing drugs and was crazy. But no one, not even the posters you victimized said anything like that back to you. Recently you cleaned up your act but guess tonight you fell off the wagon to bow at the altar of @Elle Reining Queen in her cashmere, drinking a Long Island Ice Tea maybe? lol
What does that say about you? It says everything!
I will delete my comments like @Elle did the other night (all mean comments for months) after she was called out about them. No fingerprints she said.