According to a settlement with the British Royal Family, Harry and Meghan will no longer use their HRH titles and will repay 2.4 million pounds of public cash spent on Frogmore Cottage. They will no longer formally represent the Queen, and receive no more public money in return for Royal duties.
The Queen's Statement was as follows:
Statement from HM The Queen
Following many months of conversations and more recent discussions, I am pleased that together we have found a constructive and supportive way forward for my grandson and his family.
Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved members of my family.
I recognise the challenges they have experienced as a result of intense scrutiny over the last two years and support their wish for a more independent life.
I want to thank them for all their dedicated work across this country, the Commonwealth and beyond, and am particularly proud of how Meghan has so quickly become one of the family.
It is my whole family’s hope that today’s agreement allows them to start building a happy and peaceful new life.
What do you think of the statement, and of the settlement?
The Queen's Statement was as follows:
Statement from HM The Queen
Following many months of conversations and more recent discussions, I am pleased that together we have found a constructive and supportive way forward for my grandson and his family.
Harry, Meghan and Archie will always be much loved members of my family.
I recognise the challenges they have experienced as a result of intense scrutiny over the last two years and support their wish for a more independent life.
I want to thank them for all their dedicated work across this country, the Commonwealth and beyond, and am particularly proud of how Meghan has so quickly become one of the family.
It is my whole family’s hope that today’s agreement allows them to start building a happy and peaceful new life.
What do you think of the statement, and of the settlement?
Comments
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!
Finally something funny, you go girl, Thanks for standing up!
M has been bad for him, no doubt, but I don't think this is ALL her fault. It's not a "Patty Hearst---Symbionese Liberation Army situation. He may be spouting her word salad but he wants to.
Thank you @Swampie, this has made my night.
I explained my reasons for being Unknown and I DID not swear.
I just wonder what Harry's going to do when he has to basically take care of himself, you know, no valet, no gentlemen's gentleman. If he was dressing in the same old stained, rumpled clothing before when he was royalty, what's he going to look like going forward? Probably an absolute mess.
Has anyone else noticed the many nervous tics and gestures Harry displays? Some of it is extremely repetitive. He can't sit or stand still for any length of time. He must not be easy to live with
And, lastly, someone needs to take their medication or get off this site, because no one agrees with you. Is that you, Meghan?
I ignore Unknown or Anonymous comments too. Nutty rules say no unknown or anon. and to remain as such disrespects Nutty and the rest of us.
At any rate, that "Diana's second son" bit came off as rather snarky to me.
I am done with this self absorbed whiner. They both need to do a voice-over for Disney, all right; Let It Go would be an excellent start.
@Rabbit Good questions about Harry FKAP. I really thought he might be moving away from her, but yowza, I thought wrong. I wish the truth would just come out. It's obvious that everyone is dangling something big here, and I know that the BRF wants to be removed from it, but Rach is cray-cray, and it's probably better if the BRF is in front of this story, whatever it is. What do you think?
And the other thought is: what could have caused Harry's anger re Charles & Camilla? Seriously, that's a lot of anger, and from what? Diana? What anger is Harry harboring that could result in this? Didn't Charles even offer to pay for Diana's private security and she turned him down?
Sometimes it's just a mystery.
Hopefully she's not writing the scripts for the Netflix flicks.
JocelynsBellinis said...
Swampwoman! I wanted to be a cowgirl, too! It's not often that I see another woman say that.
I was never really into the frilly dresses, tiaras, or fancy shoes. Too itchy and pinchy! Give me my blue jeans and boots, a couple of good horses, a good saddle, my dogs, my rifle, and my six shooter and I'd be a happy camper.
In saying that he also needs to grow a pair - I sort of hope they don't have archie, as someone as who grew up in a abusive and unstable environment, I really hope Archie wont have to deal with that.
Actually what Nutty said was to suggest 'screen names' not a demand.
@Mel in SoCal, I just checked, and it doesn't look like she was at the SAG Awards. I know that Hollywood is superficial, but can anyone begin to pretend Rach was anything other than a bad actor, and on every level?
There you go again @Elle Reine des Abeilles putting words in my mouth. You attacked me first. I had not said anything to you until you attacked (I responded to another poster not you). Go ahead and delete your comments like you did a few days ago when you again attackjed me for no reason. I challenged you, just like that woman you accused here of stalking you; you thought better of how bad you sounded attacking for no reason and deleted all your mean comments toward me and others, all months and months worth.
@Wizard Wench, I haven't read about the clothes in storage bit, but on the surface, it does raise some questions. Why wouldn't she just bring her new clothes? Obvs I'm missing something, and I am surprised her clothes from 3 years ago still fit.
@Ozmanda, I'm sure he does blame Chas, but his mother was cheating, too, and they were divorced, and Chas offered to pay for her private security. And yes, Camilla was a tartlet lol, but Harry is a man-ho who cheated on every GF he ever had, and Rach is a cheating ho of astronomical proportions, so I'm missing something here.
There is one statement that Harry FKAP made that has lingered in the cartoon balloon over my head, though: "If you knew what I know..." That always seemed relevant to me, for no apparent reason other than Harry seemed to be putting it out there for a reason.
Just stop.
That is a good point, but I have a feeling that it is of a more recent vintage. Perhaps Camilla told PH and MM about their bad selves.
Mel, I died for Brad tonight, and okay, I'm a total sap, but I love the renewed Brad/Jen friendship. I just hope Big Little Lies won for something.
"didn't Harry at one point say he barely remembered anything about her? Perhaps I'm wrong, and I don't mean to discount his grief, but I swear I remember him saying that years ago."
I think you are remembering the trailer for the Diana film Will and Harry did a few years ago. Both said they had trouble remembering.
From https://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/film-tv/a10328651/diana-our-mother-documentary-poster/
"In the trailer for the documentary, released last week, William and Harry are shown looking through a photo album created by their mother. “She was very informal and really enjoyed laughter and the fun," William says, while Harry notes, "she was one of the naughtiest parents." Gething tells BAZAAR.com it was "very moving" to have the opportunity to discuss Diana with her sons. "Both Princes prefaced their interviews by saying it was difficult to remember aspects of their childhood—the effect of their bereavement had been to block out the past—but during the conversations many memories came back to them. It really did feel to me like they were remembering and recalling, perhaps for the first time," he says."
@Wizard Wench, I haven't read about the clothes in storage bit, but on the surface, it does raise some questions. Why wouldn't she just bring her new clothes? Obvs I'm missing something, and I am surprised her clothes from 3 years ago still fit.
Stop using logic, it will upset the media! (That is allegedly where the storing the clothes story came from.)
Perhaps this is Harry FKAP chip? Perhaps he believes it. Who knows. Just a thought.
And yes, rather telling. Maybe someone
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-7904349/Meghan-clothes-storage-Toronto-moving-Kensington-Palace.html
@Mel in So Cal we must be twins lol: jeans boots and cashmere.
Jokes aside this stuff about Meg and Harry is alarming. ...But....my gut is telling me that they are considering mayhem and hopefully that will be their downfall because honestly IMO they are nothing and have nothing to offer anyone but their non-HRH title.
Ditto and Ditto. @WizardWench's diagnosis re their pathologies is spot on. It's like Vinz Clortho, the Keymaster, met Zuul, the Gatekeeper, and they crossed the streams.
You are welcome. Just know that whenever I think of your profession, I will picture you as the Weird Al stewardess chick with the silenced pistol. What could be more cool than that?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeetendrsehdev/2020/01/19/prince-harry-breaks-silence-on-megxit-a-brand-in-crisis/
"I felt his opening was somewhat confrontational and condescending — as if he was taking on the world. What did he mean by wanting us to hear the truth from him? Was he implying that the rest of the world was lying to us? If so, who? The world media? I doubt they were all wrong. The statements from the Queen? That’s highly unlikely. I did like the fact that later in his speech, Harry revealed that both him and Meghan had “no other option” than to stand down as royals – which was certainly a truth we hadn’t heard."
Not at SAG? I didn't expect it as they probably remember the comment she made about not being a member of the union.
Troublemaker Doppelgänger
..."And I saw a girl that looked like you
And I wanted to tell everyone to run away from her, Run away, run away!
It couldn't have been you but she had your eyes
Made for faking smiles and turning tides, Hands full of young men wrapped around her finger...
and
Saboteur (probably "their song" and what she whispered in Harry's ear)
Baby let's be saboteurs
Take 'em down from the inside...I'm not gonna change my mind
In the poison glow of the undertow, We'll kick against the tide
Baby let's be saboteurs
However, he seems so damaged and conflicted. He finds himself a forced to choose between his family/home/friends and his wife ( who led him to this point and refuses to compromise). In his befuddled brain, he can't find a solution. I empathize with his pain. ( I empathize with everyone's pain, what a pain!)
It doesn't bode well for his marriage. A loving wife would be with him offering support (not on camera, but in the same country). If your life partner is suffering, you support them. MM should be with her husband, not Photoshop ping old photos and doing pilates.
He is a terrible public speaker too. It doesn't bode well for his future as a voice actor ( snark).
Well, I was raised in a sophisticated kind of style.
Yeah, my taste in music and women drove my folks half wild.
Mom and Dad had a plan for me,
It was debutantes and er-symphonies,
But I like my music hot and like my women wild.
Yeah, an' I like my women just a little on the trashy side,
When they wear their clothes too tight and their hair is dyed.
Too much lipstick an' er too much rouge,
Gets me excited, leaves me feeling confused.
An' I like my women just a little on the trashy side.
Her deformed feet are appalling. They would be less obvious in closed shoes, but she wears so many sky high strsppy sandsls. Yuck. Does she own a full length mirror?
Can't she find a podiatrist? She could have had surgery and recovered during one of her breaks. Does that woman own any sensible shoes in the correct size?
Maybe I am over reacting. I am in FL. I see too many nasty, knarly feet parading around town. I don't mean people with medical issues and sensible orthopedic sandals. I mean people who wear sandals without taking care of their feet. I wonder if some people have nail clippers. Maybe they let their toenails grow until they break off. Or women who cram their feet into those clear plastic Ktrash shoes. Don't they see that they make their toes look like pickled pigs feet in a jar? Ewww. The aforementioned delicacy and the clear shoes both make me gag.
It's very odd that she's been in Canada during the most crucial point in his life
- and hers - they were setting the terms of her future income after all.
I don't trust them one bit, they're definitely hiding something big.
But I do emphatise with his pain, too. He acted like a snake and I'm sick of his whining and drama, but it's obvious he's hurting.
However, he seems so damaged and conflicted. He finds himself a forced to choose between his family/home/friends and his wife ( who led him to this point and refuses to compromise). In his befuddled brain, he can't find a solution.
This recalls what the blogger in Royal Foibles said - that Harry's mental health problems are more serious than thought. This may also be the reason he had a hard time finding a wife.
I hope I'm wrong but M doesn't seem like the nurturing type but is more likely to exploit his
fragile state.
What a mess.
What! How did she work without a SAG card? I have a SAG card from doing commercials when I was younger and I was thrilled to get it, because it's not easy. How could she not have one?
I am wondering if Harry FKAP has issues much more serious than suspected, too.
However, he seems so damaged and conflicted. He finds himself a forced to choose between his family/home/friends and his wife ( who led him to this point and refuses to compromise). In his befuddled brain, he can't find a solution. I empathize with his pain. ( I empathize with everyone's pain, what a pain!)
That statement reminds me of when I enquired this evening about how a mutual acquaintance was doing with his stage IV cancer treatment. He is on a high dosage of morphine and told the doc that it wasn't doing anything for the pain but it was altering his mental state. The doc said "There isn't much we can do for your pain at this point and frankly, when it gets this bad, most people kill themselves." (Great bedside manner.)
As you said, he appears to be in a lot of pain. This could be a very dangerous time for him.
IMO, Skippy is merde of the bat bonkers, but the links are good.
I somehow thought there were things in place to prevent women of Mayhem's ilk from getting a nose in?
I get that Charles of all people would have been sensitive to the idea of not letting his son marry the woman he really loved, but my God, how was she even let to hang around long enough for that to happen? Did they think he'd figure her out eventually? If he is as thick/emotionally unstable as everyone seems to be hinting at, I am even more shocked she was allowed so far in.
And I do not know what to think about Archie. She cannot possibly have been stupid enough to think there wouldn't be DNA testing? Or do you suppose she believes the James Hewitt rumor, and figured if nothing was done then, she could get away with passing off any ol' baby on the BRF?
It seems so far-fetched to me that they would fake a pregnancy, but I suppose a surrogate is possible. The lack of drs signatures and all the weirdness around the birth is truly bizarre, though.
Personal insults of fellow nutters is tackier than Megan Markle's ratty weave in a wind storm. It's more clueless than a Prince Harry guest appearance on Jeopardy.
https://elite-titles.myshopify.com/collections/seated-titles
@Ian's Girl how this spectacle de merde happened is what we're all here trying to figure out. The Archie thing seems to be the turning point. From Harry's relationship with his friends to the bizarre privacy requests to the secrecy and changing dates, etc. There were a lot of theories that, at the time, seemed rather far-fetched, but as this rolls out, it's looking more like Fauxrchie might have really been a thing. If there was a surrogate and Rach faked this whole thing, the BRF will have to roll it out sooner than later. They still have some semblance of plausible deniability, and of course, Rach can't be trusted with anything about anyone, so whatever is going to break re Fauxrchie needs to happen soon. If it's some other secret debacle entirely, then the timeline may be more elastic.
Today is a workday, but I'll try to put up a new post later today.
I can see there has been a lot of interesting news overnight!
Night Swampie and holiday tomorrow. No work!
MLK Jr. Day here in the states, and most of us will have the day off :)
I am amazed you keep referring to 13 hours. A real guy's movie. The action starts right out of the airport. I have seen it 4 times, so good I even read the book.
Harry last night told private dinner that he has no choice but to step down
Piers Morgan blasted him for claim, saying he wanted to have his cake and eat it
Said that he and Meghan failed to convince the queen about their new roles
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7906811/Piers-Morgan-accuses-Prince-Harry-having-brass-neck.html
***lol.... Piers is relentless
Agree with your comments.
The part about the Harkles did not get what they wanted. Personal explanations in a speech at a private charity dinner ! We all know now how private charity stuff are actually public aggrandisement dinners. I did not read that whole speech but from the headlines and comments, the speech seems to have a bit of raw truth tossed in here and there. Clearly Harry is not happy with something and has got his tail between his legs. There is nothing much he can do except to accept it.
I also picked up that Markle had cheated in that article. Her brother admitted it. Seems like the brother knew it all along. Strange that this was buried casually instead of being highlighted. I suppose the Harkles other antics were more gobsmacking.
Oh darn I always get the names Herefordshire and Hertfordshire mixed up. Shouldn't really as it should remind me of one of my favourite anecdotes. Little Caroline Kennedy taking a walk with Pierre Salinger (JFK's press secretary) when he pointed and said "That's a moo-cow". "No it isn't" replied Caroline. "It's a Hereford."
https://ladygreyhound93.tumblr.com
Just scroll down a little. I looked up what Kate was wearing (navy blue wide-brimmed hat and she was pregnant with Louis) and it's from the 2018 Commonwealth Day Service at Westminster Abbey. The clip is blurry but the look Meghan gives Kate, while Kate is greeting people, is just like those photos from the Inskip wedding. This is only the second time I've seen evidence of what Meghan must be like in private in full NPD mode. Has almost a physical impact. You can't see her in detail, but it's her eyes. Like Medusa. You have to look away fast.
She had got a lot of flak in the past week for this shit show. Harry on the other hand has been potrayed as the poor love sick has-been. The bff gatherings in Vancouver surely came up with this.
My new @DailyMail column is about Prince Harry, which I know will offend some of you so much your spleens will burst. Posting soon.
Alternatively, the media knows all the details already, it's payback time and the Harkles are fair bait now.
I'd also like to add a rather obscure song to the playlist. There are some exerpts that make me think of Harry specifically.
James - Sandman (Hup Springs)
(very early James, if you've heard of this one you can have a gold star)
Hitching a ride with the sandman
He'll bury your head in his hands
Turn into a bland man
Where will you make your stand?
[...]
But I would rather not go, I would rather stay home
I would rather not go, I would rather stay home
And eat and sleep and think and eat
[...]
If there's someone outside to see you
You can always run away
But when there's something inside does the calling
There's nowhere you can hide
Jump down an open stair
Fire escape, to the frame and air
Hiding away from the wrong despair
It's an inner thing that calls at you
Makes you do what you must do
A voice you can't ignore
Find the key that fits the door
Follow that song right to its core
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARVBdn2qDMc
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7907527/The-person-having-good-time-Meghan-says-royal-expert.html
There is certainly no concrete idea why, but a few things are apparent:
1) A lot of the 'rules' on royalty were actually unwritten, uncodified and relied on people being deferential to them. They were never going to work if someone came in with a determination to 'break' them. Hence the confusion.
2) PH is not very bright and is nursing a grudge. Ally that with marrying an individual desribed in point 1) and that means trouble.
3) Social media and the spread of identity/woke politics.
Social media means that you can get your message out globally at the click of a button. And if your message, which is seductive to many in the Western world, is that a stuffy old institution has been cruel and racist then this is huge ammunition for someone described in point 1), in a world that is susceptible to this narrative. This narrative brings power to the person who is speaking it. Not to everyone, but significant amounts of people.
James - Vulture
Tiptoe behind sapper
Who crawls through the minefield
Knife in the soil, and his ear to the ground
Hiding in shadow, he takes the risks
You are the pimp who steals the sound
[...]
When you spy a fresh face remember the rich taste
You want a part, at the cost of it all, so you open your flick knife
And lop off a thick slice
Envy makes the flyer fall
Please don't hitch a ride with us, you leave a slime that turns to pus
Your appetite is out of sight
I think I'll be feeding you dynamite
https://genius.com/James-vulture-lyrics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_ohCC73pP8
Yeah, I'd never want her left alone with small children.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7907757/PIERS-MORGAN-Spare-crocodile-tears-Harry.html
Meg may have been playing per usual with last night’s speech, trying to blame the RF and show them just how separated Harry is. I think it will make the family all the more fearful about his welfare, so they may try to cut off the slow Archie drip. However, IMHO the truth about Archie must come out ASAP to limit collateral damage.
I wonder if the BBC Politics Live show is anything like our National Public Radio. I expect the North Korean national anthem is required playing before their broadcast.
gabes_human
a test or dry run of them not following the HRH rule? hmm, sounds quite reasonable. There is a part of me which is running an internal betting pool for how long that takes.
Miggy
thanks for the link of M is the only one still having this fun time. I was pleased when looked at it and realized it was Arthur Edwards. Loved his last video commentary and when I read that his credentials were over 200 royal tours - impressed. In the prior video he came off having clear long term knowledge but I didn't/missed seeing specifics like that.
Lurking
why the godparents now? interesting. Perhaps HM is trying to send some soothing message (not unlike the they are stepping up and will repay the renovations (don't think that one was on someone's tick list) - just at a different level of trying to calm the angry waters.
@IEschew:Meg may have been playing per usual with last night’s speech, trying to blame the RF and show them just how separated Harry is. I think it will make the family all the more fearful about his welfare, so they may try to cut off the slow Archie drip. However, IMHO the truth about Archie must come out ASAP to limit collateral damage.
I think they were/are trying to protect Harry from collateral damage re Archie but yes, it needs to come out NOW if there was anything illegal/prohibited about the birth. It certainly looks shady with the ever-changing bump. Per the (current) law, he is not supposed to be in the line of succession if he is a surrogate baby.
As so many people commented above, the huge falling out with Harry began during the pregnancy or maybe I should say 'alleged' pregnancy.
Yes it is exactly the same!
So why blame the media for their decision to quit, if she never looked at it? 🤔
https://www.macleans.ca/royalty/meghan-markles-twitter-bot-network-the-whole-thing-is-a-bit-insane/
A European consulting firm has discovered a ‘highly-connected’ Twitter hive that is attacking journalists who cover the royals
The DM has a story which contradicts reports that the Harkles were giving up the patronages the Queen gave them. (Link below). I have no idea what is true. The details most likely aren't finalized. The reported fury of the directors of The National Theatre about their meeting with Megs is a hint that they don't think she's going to be involved with them anymore.
Like any company, the RF seems to bestow perks & honors with increasing service. The Cambs didn't get Amner until they'd been married a few years, & Kate has gradually received more honors, (Victoria Order, tiara wearing opportunities, etc.). This is standard corporate/military/institutional procedure. If you fulfill your responsibilities competently, you're rewarded accordingly.
Don't know what's going on w/Harkles, but have seen lateral 'promotions' given to people on the way out in order to spare them embarrassment. I think they have to appear to toss Harry out as much as Megs, so they don't look as though they're singling her out. If I were their boss, I would have either stashed them in positions where they could do no harm or fired them some time ago. Charles is typical of a parent who had demanding father. He doesn't want to be like his own father, PP. You can love & respect a parent, but still not want adopt their parenting style.
Harkles are idiots if they think that they can fight the RF through SM. I've noticed that here in the US, companies & political parties aren't paying too much attention to SM. They know exactly how it can be manipulated. They're experts at it themselves. They're interested in actual $$$ earned & votes cast.
This post will get lost among the 1000s of comments, but wanted to post before I move on to other things.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7905767/ROBERT-HARDMAN-fears-repercussions-Royal-upheaval-far-over.html
I agree, social media is easily manipulated.
@madge The same goes for your post about the twitter bots controlled by MM or her psychotic fans or, if you want to join me in tin hat territory, her backers. Worth reposting on the next post. Have you noticed the absolute bat sh*t craziness that is unleashed here periodically at night? Never one, but a group of unknowns and anonymouses (anonymice?) that are bent on driving away the people that read and comment. Could be related.
I have thought that this whole thing goes way beyond Harry being a spineless simp who is holding onto 25 years of anger (though true). I have thought that someone, somewhere has some serious dirt on them....and it travels through Soho House.
Like maybe there is video of him.... The fruit can't have fallen that far from the Royal tree - just sayin' and others have been captured in heinous circumstances.
but then I am a conspiracy theorist nutjob.
Problem is - that a lot of the conspiracy "theories" turned out to be truths of conspiracy.
Does anyone want to lay a bet on whether Markle shows up at the Academy Awards? I think she will.
@Mel in SoCal: The chances are very good she’ll show up with Harry in two. She’s probably pestering all the big jewelers like Lorraine Schwartz, and Harry Winston etc. asking for loaner bling right now.
She’ll wear Givenchy because she’s trying to ink a sponsorship deal with them. My guess is she’ll try to be a presenter so she can get all the free merchandise the presenters get in the six-figure gift packages they receive. She was a known regular who scooped up as much swag as she could get at events she attended pre-Harry.
They could be giving away used cat litter and she’d show up.
I put your tinfoil hat on your reserved seat over in the nutjob section! (I put it near me.)
It hasn't been said in a while, but for the non-USA people here, she was not a big Hollywood player and has no star power. I had never heard of that show, and certainly not her, before she launched her publicity campaign. Also, it was a third-tier TV show, and the Oscars concern movies.There is occasional crossover with TV show presenters, but they are major TV players and always have a reason for being there.
I really recommend everyone read that bots article:
https://www.macleans.ca/royalty/meghan-markles-twitter-bot-network-the-whole-thing-is-a-bit-insane/
It would explain A LOT, particularly why so many casual readers have been bamboozled into believing in the "racism" accusations.
Have you seen a better image anywhere for the botnet? I would like to see the @names on there but they are blurry - and it isn't an "image"
I looked at this the other day - and find it interesting to chase things down on twitter.
I used to "hunt" nefarious accounts - like actual pedophiles and such.
SwampWoman, I think you're right about the later night trend to see anon. and unknowns trying to create division. I ignore them and scroll on. Ignoring them is not being passive. It's like if you had rats in your chicken feed, you'd remove the food. No food, no rats.
I do the same after I figured out what they are. No point to it. Ignore them and they eventually go away.
Sorry, I haven't explored it enough to do that, just skimmed the article (I'm supposed to be working right now : )
"supposed to be working right now"
haha frankly me too!
You get a donut today for “anonymice”. Lol
Yes, we do seem to have an active contingent of nocturnal newbies… Seeing lots of new names here. It doesn’t reflect well on us as a community if we adopt the Minge and Ginge #butthurt4Ever model of personal grievances, So I hope that we can all remember our mutual bonding point ... Discussion of the tragedy now unfolding within the royal family, I’m not getting too hung up on what other posters may or may not have in their personal wardrobes. Obsessing about someone else’s perceived nicer clothing is so Meghan.
I’m sure this thread is coming to its close with a record number of comments. I have just read Rebecca English’s article tracing the change in his personality, and anecdotes of knowing him over 15 years as a royal correspondent. That qualifies her as well as any journalist can be to offer some insights into the man. I will give her the courtesy title of “man“ based solely on his edge, not his behavior. Rebecca saw seeds of his current actions in the 22 year old she posed for a photo with in 2006, In terms of his Chafing against The expectations and scrutiny of his Royal role. He wanted to check it all in and play around on safari then, too. What is missing is the spontaneous warmth And interest in people which he used to show. Shortly before meeting Meg Harry toured a children’s burn unit and English covered it. She got very emotional as her own child was hospitalized at the time. Harry called her personally later that night to express his admiration For her professionalism in carrying on and concern for her child.
Rebecca does not say as much, but such a gesture is unthinkable from the Hazza of today with his head so far up his own backside, The entirety of his speech to his AIDs charity was talking all about himself and Meg and how despite having no choice but to leave the royal duties, they are still 100% committed to a lifetime of service. Unbelievable. People hold out hope for Harry’s redemption once Meg is out of the picture; Personally I do not see that coming, ever. Meg is the engine To whom he has hitched his train of rage and grievances. Without her, that powerless train went nowhere for 33 years; she’s wasted no time in hauling him out of the station, And when she decouples from him, He’ll be back to a pile of inert rage going nowhere.
Harry is the defective in this generation of the royal family whom they have done their best to shelter and protect for all of his life. Rebecca English writes that Harry’s intellectual challenges may be at root of him not finding a woman willing to marry him before MM. So essentially one of the most devoted RRs to Harry over his adult life No longer has any compunction against saying that the royal family has released their village idiot into the wild. I think we can all see that now.
Yeah like we can all relate to million dollar wardrobes and private jet flights . It's like living in some strange parallel universe ."
Does anyone every give an example of this "racism"? Since when has commenting on obnoxious behaviour been racist? I don't know what the BBC has turned into but it just seems absurd.
The Editor of the Victoria Times-Colonist (main newspaper for South Island) clearly doesn't understand MM called out Splash for a photo op and so she could merch jewellery etc. https://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/dave-obee-when-royals-visit-here-let-them-be-let-them-be-1.24055961
‘The Queen 'considered stripping Harry and Meghan of Sussex titles and HRH but feared looking "petty"': New details of Megxit deal emerge as Duke has private 'catch-up' with Boris Johnson before heading to Canada’
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7907323/Harry-makes-final-Royal-engagement-UK-Africa-conference.html
One of the female MPs who signed that daft letter was repeatedly asked to provide examples of this racism and was unable to offer even one.Her fans usually get around this by trotting out the old 'Well Kate did the same things as her and never got criticised so it must be racism' nonsense but we all know Kate had to deal with tons of nasty coverage back in the day, so that won't work at all.
Now, I'm not saying that there have been zero instances of racism against Meghan, but I simply do not believe it has been a significant factor in the public's perception of her. She was welcomed and admired at first, but entirely though her own actions, that has changed and she is now widely disliked. I'm not sure how the fact that one of your parents is black means that you are exempt from being responsible for your own actions.
This popped out at me: "...the first to push new divisive conversations.”
Yes. And subtly appear neutral at first, then attack one or two of the more active bloggers on here.
Nutty, I notice that it's usually mornings when you post that you had to spend a lot of time deleting comments. I wonder if many of those are really swarming twitter bots attacking this blog? We've noticed that the anons and unknowns usually appear later at night.
NPR reported this morning that Harry lost.
This was echoed by the NYTimes.
M reminds me of a shark who must continuously eat or die.
What if the only way the British royal family can salvage their reputation without playing into Meg’s racist bully narrative is to eat one of their own? I expect to see increasing references to Harry’s lack of judgment, school reports; concerned intervention from teachers; “Leaked” minutes of crisis meetings at the palace discussing concerns over Harry’s intellectual disabilities From the time. When he was #3 In the succession, etc. Outing him like this would have been unthinkable when he was within the fold. But the family might employ it if it’s the only way to turn the narrative around to Meg exploiting their loved but intellectually impaired boy for her own gain. That they allowed to marriage and all of the concessions they’ve given out of love for their defective, Who really can’t help how he is, and they are so concerned that Without palace oversight, harry will be hurt. No need to elaborate by whom.
Harry really was Meg’s perfect dupe. Such self destructiveness as he is now displaying shows He’s not fully in command of events...The childish thinking and lack of self-control is pathological. If Harry’s true limitations are made public, Meg would seem like the Svengali she is and H might regain some public sympathy. The mixed up boy didn’t mean to swindle his grandmother and embarrass the monarchy...He’s at Forrest Gump exploited by a manipulative hustler...Who’d come off like the bully then?
Had a convo with my daughter last night. She is following the US press, and occasionally the DM.
To her, she sees discrimination against MM with the comparisons to Kate; she is aware this is not necessarily racism. She pointed to the DM article of a few days back, the 20 side by side comparison. When I mentioned the blatant disregard of protocol regarding official events, she send she had no idea what I was talking about, and the specifics I cited. She was unaware of many instances we Nutters have followed in the British press.
To me, this is a sad commentary on duty, honor, and respect for family, a job, and awareness of right and wrong in Today's society in the American press.
To me, this is a sad commentary on duty, honor, and respect for family, a job, and awareness of right and wrong in Today's society in the American press
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You have nailed it.
From Daily Mail. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7907323/Harry-makes-final-Royal-engagement-UK-Africa-conference.html
"The Queen and Prince Charles decided not to strip Prince Harry of their HRH titles and Duke and Duchess of Sussex rank to avoid looking 'petty', it was claimed today.
Her Majesty is said to have considered stripping the couple of their most prized titles and instead referring to them as the Earl and Countess of Dumbarton – putting them at the same level as Edward and Sophie, Earl and Countess of Wessex.
However, the Queen and Prince Charles are believed to have felt preventing the couple from using 'HRH' in public and for commercial use - while still officially retaining the title - was a sufficient enough change."
Massive mistake, and miscalculation of how the public will react/are reacting, judging by the comments.
Thanks for the info and heads-up re the patronages. I agree a lot remains to be ironed out. There is also the fact that Harry is still a working royal until the spring.
Some of the details are annoyingly complicated - for example they will remain president and vice president of the commonwealth but Harry will no longer be youth ambassador to the commonwealth (at least this is what was most recently stated).
I will be very disappointed if Meghan is still allowed to be patron to her four organizations. IMO she is not and has never been qualified to be a working member of the royal family. Why should those 4 groups be saddled with her? In addition, if she does continue those patronages it will carry-on and expand her image as a 'royal' among those who don't pay close attention and help shape her merching brand.
As far as Harry goes, I don't see how he could continue to be patron to the military organizations he has worked with if he no longer is in the military / has been stripped of his rank or whatever it was that they did to him.
We'll have to watch how this turns out. I think it's a good idea to leave comments on the tabloid and news articles to help try to shape the direction the issues take.
Thank you for reporting on NPR.
For them to say, "Harry lost" is huge by my estimation. MM will not like that.
If the organisations don't want her as patron, they can ask her to step down, just as Andrew's charities did. I suspect this is what will happen sooner or later. After all, if she's based in Canada or the US and the organisaiotns are UK based, who is going to pay her travel expenses, even supposing she could be bothered? The royal family won't cover it because she is no longer a 'royal' patron and it would be a huge chunk out of a charity's budget to pay this diva for her 1st class transatlantic flights, so I suspect her patronage of these charities is over for all practical purposes, even if they may continue to use her name for PR reasons.
I'm of the opinion that it would be great if they did turn up.
It would show that a barely known actress 2 to 3 years ago has enough clout to turn up at the industry event of the year because of who she married.
It will make her seem like even more of a grifter than we know her to be.
It will make her claims of being a poor tragic victim even more laughable.
It will make her claims of feminism even more laughable as she would only be there due to the man she married.
It might look good for her in the short term, but in the long term game of public opinion I think it would be a terrible mistake on her part. So I hope she makes it in:)
I may have to cancel all other interests
for the foreseeable future as this has taken up all my time. Haha. I do hope Nutty does not mind these shout outs.
I do mention Nutty Flavor Blog wherever I go. It is even being bandied around in my family and social circles as well. Nutty is becoming a household topic.
@ Hikari, you have proposed the perfect solution. Well said. I am already beginning to believe it.
Also, I'd like to echo the sentiment that there are no winners in this circus YET. Only time will tell. But I would bet that since the RF is playing the long game, and MM has shown that greed and ego coupled with impatience and unrealistic expectations make for hasty badly thought-through decisions, that the Harkles, or at least Harry, will bitterly regret this decision.
Massive mistake, and miscalculation of how the public will react/are reacting, judging by the comments.
Awful miscalculation from The Queen, along with yesterday's parading of Andrew. People are getting sick of the whole dog and pony show.
The clip is blurry but the look Meghan gives Kate, while Kate is greeting people, is just like those photos from the Inskip wedding.
@AvaC: What you are seeing is a narcissistic behavior known as narcissistic stare. It is also common to psychopaths. Doesn’t that info make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside? Not!
Besides the Inskip wedding, I’ve seen Meghan give it several other times. She gave it to Kate during the fab four interview with William, Kate, Harry, and Meghan in 2018 when they were discussing all four of them doing foundation work together.
Besides being super creepy, it can be downright scary. Narcs do this automatic body language for several reasons, depending on the situation. It is often a tactic used to control snd manipulate a situation or person. The other frequent time they use it is when they are enraged. I think Meghan commonly uses it for both of these reasons. Narcissists are very, very angry people.
At the Inskip wedding, Harry had allegedly broken up with Meghan, but she had been listed as his plus one when he RSVPd the invitation weeks earlier, before the breakup. Harry went by himself, probably not even thinking she would haul herself all the way to Jamaica, but she showed up. It’s amazing to look at those photos. That stare is truly a window into her soul, or at least what passes for one.
Google narcissistic stare for lots of articles
Also search the Harry Markle article titled “Was Tom Inskip’s Wedding Partially Responsible For This Mess?” for some interesting background.
And... look up an H.G. Tudor article on narcsite.com titled “The Stare - Knowing the Narcissist.” While you’re on his site, read all 11 (so far, but more will likely be coming along) commentaries with explanations of Meghan and Harry’s behavior in the A Very Royal Narcissist series.
The first installment was published a few days before the wedding on May 2018. The remainder of them have been sporadically published since the wedding, often months apart. The frequency picked up after Harry and Meghan’s whine-filled Africa trip documentary last fall, with three or four published days apart since the Megxit bombshell two weeks sgo.
I originally found the A Very Royal Narcissist articles when looking for some journal material after viewing a tv re-broadcast of the BBC engagement interview in the run-up coverage before the wedding. Alarm bells immediately went off in my head as I watched the interview. I thought, “Oh crap, this woman is a total narc!”
And Meghan and or Harry has proved it on an almost daily basis (well, not quite, but it seems like it) since then.
Meghan and the Oscars? I wouldn’t be surprised if she gate crashed it, she has enough chutzpah! 😏
While there are many photos of KM pregnant, there is not the deluge of photos of her with her hand on her bump. I would also say there's a difference between being photographed pregnant, and standing literally under the spotlight, as MM did, showcasing her pregnancy at the BAFTAs.
There is also video, I believe it's from the Morocco trip but I'm not sure, and she is talking to two young women and rubbing her belly over and over. The young women do not make eye contact with her and appear to be embarrassed. I would be as well, but I embarrass easily. At any rate it is unprofessional.
Does anyone know if they will still participate in the Royal Rota? Were their media demands met?
Don't know if this was posted yet,
Page 6 is reporting the Queen almost took away the Duke and Duchess titles but after consulting with Charles thought it would look petty.
She must have been pissed!
Harry might be stupid and spoiled, but he's not retarded and I think it would be offensive to propose that he is. Offensive to the nation, the military and to the actual mentally retarded people.
Harry must wake up and take responsibility for his actions sooner or later if he's ever going to heal. Pronouncing him idiotic would again take responsibility from him. He's a grown man who was used because he was vulnerable and some day he needs to accept that and move on with humility.
@Cookie Shark
It wasn't the BAFTAs!
She wouldn't DARE! William is President of the BAFTAs and Kate attended last year wearing a gorgeous one-should McQueen (one of my favourite Kate looks) which no amount of bump grabbing could steal the spotlight from!
I think you're referring to the time she crashed the British Fashion Awards? That was the time I really started to turn against Meghan. At an event supposedly all about honouring another woman, she had to make it all about her and her 'bump'. Standing there, holding her belly with both hands - you just know she practiced that in front of the mirror for hours - gazing straight in front of her. She looked demented. Really.
@gabes_human
I believe that denying them the use of the HRH is a test...She’s living under a microscope right now so WHAM-as soon as he does, she fails the test and the title will be stripped permanently.
This sounds solid. It also fits with the leak that Her Maj considered stripping the titles but didn't want to appear petty. If they step over the line, and they will, then she can proceed without being petty.
Also, re the production company story and Netflix already interested - classic Rach PR.
Netflix's chief content officer Ted Sarandos has now admitted the streaming giant would be 'interested' in a production with the Sussexes.
Speaking at an event in Los Angeles and asked about Harry and Meghan, he replied: 'Who wouldn't be interested? Yes, sure.'
Answering a question with a question is a great evasive technique. Netflix would have to spend a lot of money to get in bed with those two (not as much for Rach alone, possibly), and my guess is that they'll want to make sure they're on solid ground and not risking blowback from the BRF or jeopardizing any relationships with the Royals, esp W&K.
I would like to …… and see how she liked it.
Hand would be fair good.
Ditto re the avatars! I'd never thought of it till @Nutty commented on @Trudy Blue's. Mine is a regular bee, but I may change it to a Mason Bee at some point.
What does your ring signify?
'Absolutely no comments' from Serena.
She pointed out the Queen went to church with Andrew which is not a good look in my opinion, but who knows what they talked about. As far as know Andrew no longer represents the BFR. However, here is nothing stopping Harry from being photographed with his father or grandmother.
Jessica Mulroney got jobs and visibility due to M. If M loses her cachet, there goes Jessica's lucrative deals.
Would also reduce his future appeal to any organizations he may want to represent or work with.
My tinfoil hat is still somewhat on as far as feeling like this goes a bit further up the global chain than it all being mere coincidence, but I do also see where it could just have been a perfect storm of the ultimate narcissist having caught a petulant, vulnerable Harry at just the right time to set him off.
I do not for one minute think he is so low IQ that he is not culpable for his part in this clusterfark, though. I think he has Diana's very average IQ, as well as her emotional instability, which, combined with all that happened to both of them at an early age, probably didn't mix well with their fishbowl existence.
I hope I'm not thought to be a bot, though I am a newcomer. I scroll pass whatever fighting I see; honestly, I am not sure why anyone allows themselves to be upset by people they don't even know in real life. Who the hell cares about what some random stranger thinks about them?! Especially when they may well be bots!
Many thanks to Nutty for providing this place for us all to gawk and ah over this Royal sh*tshow, though!
@Tatty IGI LOL. Several times recently, I've read things that re-upped my gratitude for VPN.
Now that Harry FKAP is off to Rach, they will have to deal with each other every day. Her happiness, his ambivalence, her calling all of the shots, the fact that she used him for money & fame becoming more obvious by the day - hello 2020, it's going to be a bumpy ride for the Dumbartons after the first few months.
I use bold to set off names so that the specific Nuttier can see it.
I hope that helps.
It would be funny if Smegs showed up at the Oscars and was booed for her recent behavior towards the BRF. I would love to see her given the cold shoulder wherever she appears.
My intuition tells me that all of those people who worked hard to get where they are and may actually have some talent will smile to her face, but snicker behind her back. Everyone knows how she got her two-for-one-Harvey-Wallbanger free drink tickets. No one believes that she actually grew talent and ability. And some people really love W&K, so I think that the Dumbartons are like those people to whom you may extend an invitation to avoid the appearance of rudeness, but you hope like hell those invitees have the good common decency not to show up. All that said, this is only my intuition, and I work for the CIA lol, so I'd like to have an industry insider's opinion on this @Mel in SoCal?
p.s. I feel bad for you when people on here say really shitty things about you but you’re a big girl and you handle them just fine.
So Serena goes 'no comment' and Jessica Mulroney has switched her Instagram profile to private.
I think they've been told to keep quiet. (for the moment)
You asked for examples of racism against Megs.
In the new woke liberal world, any criticism of a POC is met with "you don't like them because they're black/brown/purple/green/blue."
This tactic was used during Obama's presidency and has now carried over to Markle.
Criticism is not racism. In fact, on Martin Luther King Day here in the US, is like to point out that it was MLK who called for evaluating people on their character.
The left has thrown that out the window now.
Just my observations.
@Design Doctor - oh yes please !!! ( this makes me officially mean...)
My intuition tells me that all of those people who worked hard to get where they are and may actually have some talent will smile to her face, but snicker behind her back.
Of course they will be polite and smile. They have class. I was just expressing some wishful thinking.
Would love to see the narc grifter get her comeuppance and some public humiliation because she has humiliated the BRF
yes on the Mulroney but I think Serena was never Meghan's friend. She allowed herself to be a public "friend" but barely knows her. Serena's husband's veiled comments on twitter were very telling.
The left has thrown that out the window now. (Judging people by the content of their character rather than skin color)
Yes! Totally agree with you!
Serena's husband's veiled comments on twitter were very telling.
Yes, I followed the link and viewed his comments but how can we be sure that they referred to Megs?
They share a pathological streak of envy too.
I see the Cambridges are getting a quick tour to Eire in the spring. Please, please, please let a US tour be announced next!
"...how can we be sure that they referred to Megs"
We can't, they just appeared right as the first Sussex announcement was made. As far as a "friendship" goes - I have yet to see any evidence of a friendship other than Serena going to her $500K shower - along with Amal, Gayle and others who were clearly sent there by ulterior motives.
The Wimbledon stadium section hogging, no pictures "Don't talk to me"....thing is not evidence of friendship - and Serena was annoyed.
Yesterday Jessica was called Meg's fixer in the Mail and comments were scathing as usual, so she might be temporarily protecting herself from critics.
Serena may have had a come-to-Jesus moment and realised that M had nothing to offer. It was painful watching her at US Open.
Meg usually doesn't do silence and discretion. But what do I know? Her handling of the whole situation was beyond stupid and I was surprised by it. She's no evil mastermind, just a c**t.
I agree with comments suggesting the HRH halfway house is a test which Meghan is inevitably going to fail and then, a year from now, the Queen can remove for good. I saw the DM article reporting that the Queen thought it would be petty to remove the HRHs now, but yes, comments show people would have been right behind her. This way, the Queen is perceived to be weak.
However, if she had been tougher, this could have had repercussions for Prince Andrew that she would have found impossible to bear. He has been removed from public life and patronages also.
I think Harry's marriage could well fail before the 12 months is up. I don't see Meghan putting up with him for that long, now she is on home territory. He'll drive her crazy. She's so arrogant and deluded about her talents and attractiveness she possibly doesn't realise how dependent she is on his status. What's left of it.