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The Sussexes have left the building: What now?

After yesterday's hostility-fest at the Commonwealth Day services at Westminster Abbey, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex have completed their activities as senior members of the British Royal Family.

Some reports suggest that they have already left for Canada, where their infant son Archie has been waiting for them for more than a week.

It seems impossible, however, that this is the end of the Sussex story - and in fact, they will still officially be His Royal Highness and Her Royal Highness until the end of March.

What do you think will happen during the next three weeks? Will the Sussexes be silent?


Comments

Magatha Mistie said…
Might have left the building but the mic hasn’t dropped?
They’re leaving post-haste and skid marks. 😀

Silence would be golden, but that’s wishful thinking. Another hyperbole with the new veteran’s charity, which I doubt will come to anything....everything they hype up is just a lot of hot air. 🤔

Let’s wait 6 months and see where they’re at, the light might have truly dawned on Harry by then; he already looks like a man full of regret. 😐
Magatha Mistie said…
I’m concerned that they are still President/Vice President of the Commonwealth Trust.
Does this mean they can start swanning over to Commonwealth countries, red carpets, me me/too speeches?
I’m sure Megs was on the first flight to wherever, the coward won’t stay around for the latest victim mockumentary which will be airing ?
I wish they would Sod Off for good, but fear they are skint, & will be hovering for a while.
@Magatha,’I’m concerned that they are still President/Vice President of the Commonwealth Trust.

Does this mean they can start swanning over to Commonwealth countries, red carpets, me me/too speeches?’

No, because they are no longer royals at the end of the month and will lose their royal Patronage (to the Commonwealth Trust, and be ‘just’ President and Vice-President), their life will change, no red carpet or special treatment in that sense. 🤗
Magatha Mistie said…
@Raspberry Ruffle
According to Robert Hardman article they will remain as
President/Vice of Commonwealth Trust.
That was a new charity which falls outside the immediate control of the Royal household, the Government or the control of the
Commonwealth Secretariat?
abbyh said…

I think they will send some balloons the three weeks remaining of the month. Maybe some trial shots in different directions and if anything has come to fruition, it will be loudly proclaimed (for one and all) that they are thriving and not worried about survival.

Magatha Mistie said…
Megs will never be quiet.
No doubt new secret meetings, with flattering photos
will be released shortly.
Some sort of dig at Kate, who looked gorgeous yesterday, loved her red Coat dress,
& her beautiful hairstyle.

Megs will not give up
“Hell hath no fury, like a Meg scorned”
CookieShark said…
That RF is so toxic! She had to escape the Crown! And yet...per the Mail, H&M had a fit about not walking in the procession with the HMTQ yesterday.
Lady A said…
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Lady A said…
What now? We (England) all breathe a huge sigh of relief, give each other high fives and crack open the bubbly. They're a pair of petty, money-grabbing oiks and I hope it all goes spectacularly tits up for them both.
Unknown said…
Have to agree with @abbyh that H&M will be sending out trial balloons and are going to advertise their charity work this month. I think Meg has been planning and scheduling things and we’re about to see her handiwork on Instagram.

The Archie situation is intriguing me a lot lately. I think he’s too big for her to trek around without people realizing he’s too big for his age. I am also wondering what Archie’s passport situation is like. There has to be a reason they aren’t flying him into America.
Magatha Mistie said…
@CookieShark
I’m so pleased DM released the snark that H&M threw a tantrum.
More please...
Magatha Mistie said…
@Charade
Archie, whoever he is/was with Tutu, lovely baby.
No way was she pregnant.
Bumps do not bend, squash nor disappear.
They are a hard, solid mass.

Eventually we will know the truth.
abbyh said…

Charade - thinking of Archie, his size for age and passport. Not just that but walking means more mobile which translates to harder to control in private or public. And, increasingly verbal. Terrible Two's and the magic word "NO" to everything is heading straight at them.
Jenx said…
Perhaps there will be more subtle media snark over the next few weeks. Once April hits they lose their royal cachet and presumably all polite deference by the media. Maybe even those silent folk from her past will now be free to spill the tea.

There will be more guerilla PR no doubt but will she be able to continue manufacturing consent or will the people props used for staged photo ops, or even blatant photoshopping, speak out?

The next few weeks will set the tone for their post-royal foray and I suspect it may be tinged with more than a whiff of desperation.

Is it time to mount a "where's Archie?" Campaign?
Sandie said…
I have come across one reporter who said that Kate said 'Hello Meghan' but did not greet Harry (the latter implied by what the reporter did not say) and William smiled, sort of, at Harry but ignored Meghan (the latter also implied) at the Commonwealth event.

Sorry to bring up that awkward occasion again, but all commentators on social media sites saw something different in the exchange. Can anyone confirm what actually happened? I am still blown away by it as I was convinced that they would put on a big display of happy families (Kate especially). I think there was something more than the hissy fit about walking in the procession that happened that alienated Kate now and William for good - no chance of a reconciliation there.

As for where to now for the Sussexes?

* Are they returning to Canada together or is he staying on for a while? I have read both in the media. If she returns alone, she will try and get a pap walk (while papa is away, mummy will play).

* If she stays on for some private meetings, she will take along a photographer and vidoegrapher to get some more publicity material. She will try and do the same for Harry but he will resist.

* They are going to leak 'big plans' but they will be hype about nothing. It's going to be throw mud at a wall and see what sticks.

* Harry before Meghan would be planning another big project like the Antarctica expedition and a big fundraising event like a concert with a video to sell afterwards. He does not have the connections nor the freedom to do so anymore.

* What will Megsys first big project be? Well, unless something drastically changes, it will be something small dressed up as big (like the cookbook, the capsule collection, the Vogue edit). I predict that it will fall under the same umbrella: No one really wants a cookbook from Meghan but a publishing company would guarantee to get good sales - good enough to finance the risk of publishing 10 good books that may not do well but should be published anyway. It would give Megsy a project and lots of interviews. She wants to do fashion but it is an expensive and risky business and is anyone foolish to sink a lot of money into a high-end project that will fail (Megsy is not a fashion icon, no matter how many times stupid people say that)? And without the lighting and photoshopping and other tricks, she will not look fabulous so the live interviews will be risky for any brand. My favourite tarot reader sees something to do with property (very odd) but sees her merching and influencing like she did with the Tig but much bigger (but not as big as the Kardashians).
* Any attempt to 'sell herself' as a royal is going to make her look more tacky than Fergie. She will get an audience but a lot of people will laugh at her.
* Her attempts to be a humanitarian will flounder. She is too shrill, shallow, self centred and messy to make a difference or to be trusted.

My favourite tarot reader says that divorce talks have started and that they have been putting on a show (fulfilling a contract in a deal with the Queen/Prince Charles) ... well the show has convinced me!
Fairy Crocodile said…
You are right Nutty. This is not going to be the end of the headache. Their behavior yesterday shows they fully expect to be treated as if nothing have changed.

They didn't get the full merching rights they wanted and will be discovering that without access to royalty their value is greatly diminished.

Hollywood royalty - Disney - has already called Megsy controversial. That label will stick. She lost sense of reality and will expect special treatment whatever she does, while her talents and abilities remain the same.

Her popularity with certain groups will stay for a while but these groups also need something in return. Speeches and hugs will not be enough.

NO, I fully expect them to march back into the royal family and demand all the perks they thought they didn't need to prosper. I also fully expect nasty behavior regardless of whether they are allowed back or not.

Fairy Crocodile said…
I am now waiting for the court case show to commence.

Hope DM will not settle. Media coverage proved to me there is no intent to settle yet and a full steam ahead with sleeves rolled up is still there.

Court case will be a goldmine for the press.
Fairy Crocodile said…
Regarding their charities including commonwealth trust:

Let me go back to Diana's days. Back then, as now, Queen stipulated Diana would not represent her any more. Same as with Harkles.

The result was that despite she was free to do as much charitable work as she wanted, this work was not covered by the support machine reserved for official royal patronages and visits.

All her travel expenses had to be covered by sponsors. Red Cross in some occasions but mostly well connected private billionaires. This is how she ended up with Fayed, who previously funded a Nutcracker performance by the Royal Ballet who she had been a patron of.

I expect same for the Harkles. If there will be very wealthy people seeing some value in them they will cover their expenses. But Diana was a mega star with a huge pulling power and impeccable charity work record, while Megsy is a controversial self-promoting starlet.
@Magatha,’According to Robert Hardman article they will remain as
President/Vice of Commonwealth Trust.

That was a new charity which falls outside the immediate control of the Royal household, the Government or the control of the Commonwealth Secretariat?’

They’ve lost the royal Patronage’s of the Commonwealth though. The Commonwealth Trust (and being President and Vice President) doesn’t carry the same officialdom of a Royal role or weight. Nothing more than a name on a letter head.
Superfly said…
"What now?"

And now we wait...
JLC said…
@Sandie

To me, it looked as though Kate ignored both Harry and Meghan and deliberately didn't look in their direction. The same as Sophie - Sophie is close to the Queen, so she could quite well have been conveying the Queen's thoughts about it all too. She looked livid at times.

Megs mask has slipped quite a few times this visit and so has Harrys - the photos and videos on twitter have shown this. Definite trouble in paradise mounting all the time.

I don't think she will stay quiet. She needs to keep up momentum and keep her name in the media. She is clearly quite mad and deluded and I really hope some juicy bits on her history start spilling out into the media once they have officially cut ties. I am keeping my fingers crossed on this!!
xxxxx said…
There is no way to predict what the Dumbartons will be up to in the next 6 months. They don't even know. The are winging it and hoping that some money rolls in from their scatter shot, scatter brain activities. They will find that it's a cold world outside the Royal cocoon. This duo blew it. What a contrast from when Megs was on display constantly in her priced wardrobe Most of this display was to show off to her Hollywood friends and enemies how Megas had made it Royally big In England
Sandie said…
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1253197/prince-harry-news-meghan-markle-kate-middleton-prince-william-royal-family-latest

A lipreader's view of what was said in the Abbey ...

Speaking on ITV’s This Morning, Ms Tominey said: “When Harry sit down he says to Meghan, ‘he just said Hello Harry to me and that was it’ and Meghan smiles.
Sandie said…
https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1253155/meghan-markle-news-prince-harry-prince-edward-sophie-wessex-royal-rift-spt

This article is very odd as I did not see Sophie interact with the Sussexes at all. Why is the media pushing a non-existent bond between Sophie and Meghan?
QueenWhitby said…
The Vibe documentary is going to air, hopefully it will be as damaging to MM as the SA documentary and their treatment of HM over Megxit, but I’m not so sure with the American market they are targeting. It’s going to cause more division and controversy. Hopefully, it will (finally) be the tipping point where the RF realize they’ve got to play hardball with the Harkles, and I hope it makes more big $ benefactors realize she is too controversial to get involved with.

Yesterday was very illuminating to see the toll the MM bullying has taken on Catherine, Camilla, and even the Queen who looked drawn and thinnner. The RF need to protect the assets they have in these women, and put their money where their mouths are - it’s fine to speak about mental health and abuse issues but it’s happening in their home, in their own family, and it’s causing disruption and harm.

I have been thinking that Harry really has had a problem with Camilla all along, wrapped up in his mommy issues, and easily magnified then exploited by Meghan. Camilla was deliberately sabotaged over her WOW speech, and she was treated abominably yesterday. It’s clear that PC and HM don’t want to stir the Diana hornets nest and it’s likely part of the threat Harry is lording over the RF, but it’s wrong on all levels of human decency to allow Camilla to be publicly treated like that.

And finally, another thing that is bugging me is that the Spencers are conspicuously silent. Their dead sister’s memory is being monetized by an American grifter and their hapless nephew, yet not a word. Were the birth announcement and Archie’s christening subtle signs that there is support from the Spencers? It may be that they want to stay well away from this mess, but I’m really wondering where the they stand in all of this, and if some of Harry’s impetus is coming from that side of the family?
Fairy Crocodile said…
@QueenWhitby

Camilla has been treated badly by the Harkles, that is true. But she is tough as nails and she can stand her ground well.

Unless her health gives up she will be Queen in all but name and Megsy will be gone. Do you see Harry living happily ever after with his selfish shallow wife?
New DM article:
The tensions that marred Fab Four's final outing: Prince Harry and Meghan Markle 'became emotional and upset' about being dropped from Queen's arrival party... forcing Prince William and Kate Middleton to step in to 'defuse' the situation

Harry and Meghan were upset to learn they would not be permitted to join the Queen, the Cornwalls and Cambridges in main VIP party, Daily Mail understands.

Instead they were told they'd have to make their own way to their seats at the front of the Abbey and wait alongside the Earl and the Countess of Wessex before the arrival of other senior royals.

Fearing another highly public royal skirmish, William and Kate stepped in to defuse the situation at weekend.

Cambridges offered to join 'emotional' Harry and Meghan as they waited in their seats for the Queen, Charles and Camilla to arrive.

Unfortunately 2,000 orders of service had already been signed off and printed which clearly stated Kate and William would enter with the main royal party.
Pout, stomps feet, pout, what Meghan wants Meghan no longer gets, pout, stomps feet.

Doesn't work any more.
QueenWhitby said…
@Fairy Crocodile, I think their happily ever after is already over lol! You are right, Camilla is tough and she will prevail, but allowing such blatant disrespect is demeaning.

I know if I was dealing with a narc, I would seek professional advice from Psychiatrists and other mental health experts on how best to extricate myself, I really hope the RF are doing that.
Princess Mrs. B said…
I would be very surprised if they don't announce plans to divorce by the end of the year, maybe sooner. It will be interesting to see if MM shows up in the Hague with Haz for the Invictus Games in just 2 months. My guess is that she won't and that will be very telling.
The brown haired pregnant woman seen last year, thought to possibly be the surrogate, is again captured at yesterday's brouhaha.

https://twitter.com/116Catherine/status/1237138520835264513/photo/1
@Sandie, I had to giggle at this comment on the Express lipreading article.

What I like about that American totty is that not only is she a shapeshifter, she is also a time traveler. "Meghan Markle, 35".

The DE is notorious for its typos and random errors, I always enjoy it when the commenters point them out in an amusing way.
Those That Do said…
Morning all! I read so many different sites yesterday trying to keep up but from what I read Meghan and Harry were still staying on a while, Meghan a few days and Harry longer. I guess so Meghan can get in her super secret meetings with Hubb, Smartworks, Luminary Bakery, etc. She isn't going to have much to post after the 31st of March. Of course Harry will stay behind to do the hard work of whatever is left regarding their exit.

I still say there is a big old steel toed boot that still has not dropped down just yet and with Meghan you know it will be spiteful,petty and just plain hateful. How she could manage to alienate him from his family too is disgusting.

Also, they talk big but I find their last idea repulsive to say oh now they are going to help homeless and disabled Vets. But, then again its changed so much by next week they could be saving Whales or something.
Este said…
I can't see them being the global stars they are deluded enough to believe that they are outside of the constellation of the RF. Meghan was a B/C list actress I never heard of before joining The Firm and acted like she was a biggest deal in town. She wouldn't be famous without the family she burned.

It's funny that they step down as senior royals, drop their bizz on instagram, snub Camilla on her day and after being asked to step aside and let her shine that one day, and actually expect to make the pageant yesterday. I'm glad the Queen put them in check like that and it was shrewd the way the Cambridges stepped in to both a) claim the high ground and b) deny them the pageant stroll by sitting it out with them. They were banking on a rock star's farewell tour and instead shot themselves in the foot by reacting like petulant children throwing tantrums when they don't get their way. Meghan is really the instagator here. Dropping the picture of herself on Camilla's day showed us that. None of this makes either one of them look good. I really gotta wonder how long Harry will be able to stick out this marriage. I hope not long because he's clearly not happy and what kind of future awaits him now? Picking up the train of Meghan's dress for a living? That picture of them leaving their final solo engagement showed us not only the truth behind the false smiles in public but also the fact that they couldn't even keep up appearances the whole time.

For the short term, I see them capitalizing on a high profile interview before the slow fade into obscurity and a divorce within 5 years.
@Lurking,’I had to giggle at this comment on the Express lipreading article.

What I like about that American totty is that not only is she a shapeshifter, she is also a time traveler. "Meghan Markle, 35".’

That comment is hysterical! 😂🤣😂
Sandie said…
https://www.forbes.com/sites/guymartin/2020/03/10/harrys-last-dance-prince-harry-and-meghan-markle-slog-through-their-final-event-as-royals-but-are-not-allowed-to-march-in-with-the-queen/#3f6f1d9d37e7

No news here, but an opinion on the inexplicable pettiness of the Harkles.
NeutralObserver said…
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luxem said…
This is the worst possible time for HAMS to launch their "brand"in the US because everyone is preoccupied with coronavirus, the economy and the election (primaries right now, general in Nov). All the top DM stories are about the aformentioned topics and even though the coronavirus will eventually subside, how long will it take and how devastating will it be on our economy? I think "charitable giving" will be put on hold by companies/individuals as they wait for signs of stability in the economy or we go into a recession.

If HAMS don't have a consistent, lucrative revenue-stream ready to go in the next 3 weeks, they have probably missed the boat.
Humor Me said…
Harry received a huge does of his own medicine yesterday when he learned he and his wife would not walk in with the Queen , Charles, and Wills. And he did not like it. O how I wish we would learn what he said that caused W&C to step in and walk with Harry.
They. are. toast. They. are. done.

and I await the trial........
KCM1212 said…
I predict a heavy campaign to secure protection and the "need" to buy a house in LA. Especially if they can frame that as
Protection for Archie.

A tedious round of talk show interviews beginning with Oprah and Gayle King.

I really hope this Vice interview backfires on her.

Harry only looked besotted at scripted intervals this weekend. I hope divorce is in the cards. I think Meghan is already shopping for some billionaire or minor potentate. The next rung on the "marrying up" ladder.

She will start using Archie to merch. It'll be a slow "striptease" just like the black and white shots of the feet.
But he will be fully mobile soon, and won't let the carry him with his face squished to the chest. What is next, a blanket or mask? They are pretentious enough.

If it doesn't happen in the next 6 months, it wont. They will be going to parties in Dubai for cash. That'll be okay for Megsy, but slow dest h for Harry
KCM1212 said…
*death for Harry

The soles of `South-African Archie's' footwear looked so grubby to me when they visited Desmond Tutu, I'm surprised he's not been reported as starting Highland Dancing yet. Surely he can already do far better than the balletic lasses we saw outside the Abbey yesterday?

Further to my criticism of her outfit, apart from any Superhero you care to mention, was she channelling a 1930s film star? If so, whom? A totally inappropriate get-up for a Church service.

I was astounded to read it had been made specially for her - did she simply order it online from a speedy source in SE Asia, telling them just her hoped-for size?

Surely she didn't have any fittings for it - or did she lose her rag at being asked to stand still? Did the `couturier' (I use the term loosely) take to his/her heels to avoid being throttled with own tape-measure, in a hail of shears, needles, pins and bobbins?

Or was there a threat of garrotting/beheading with a hank of polyester thread?


Nothing makes sense to me about this situation. Harry looks beaten down, she looks like the Cheshire Cat, she has a nasty documentary coming out yet stays put for a few more days.” I guess poor Archie, if he exists, will be missing his mama even longer. All too weird. Also, I reported a short while back that my neighbour’s relative lived in Saanich and said the house was no longer surrounded by barricades. This apparently was not accurate as she had the wrong house despite living close by. The house is apparently up a road that has no access unless you are staying in it.
Leaving permanently now. Hugs to all.
All the best Lighthealer Astrid - thank you for your insights.

Hope things work out OK for you.
DesignDoctor said…
Smirkle was channeling Joan Crawford. Another unpleasant, fake woman.
KCM1212 said…
Best wishes, Light Healer. You have added a lot
DesignDoctor said…
The trailer for Escaping the Crown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqcYUGh0m2I

Fairy Crocodile said…
@Design Doctor

"..channeling Joan Crawford". I don't think Meghan Markle ever stopped channeling Diana.
Just mind boggling. Channeling the dead mother of your disturbed husband.

Bates Motel 2
Hikari said…
Hi, Astrid . .Don't go! We need all the Lighthealing we can get in this dark world.

I will reiterate what I have expressed before: this 'farewell tour' did yet more harm to the reputation of the Royal Family while gaining them nothing but more heartache and upstaging of their good work. Certainly they received no apology or show of contrition from the duplicitous pair. I think it was a grave error on Her Majesty's part. There's taking the high road . . and then there is allowing oneself to be used as a doormat/whipping post/object of ridicule. Harry and Markle should have been severed from all their patronages and any further expectations of attendance at any events back in January. I understand the removal of the titles is of some delicacy, requiring Parliamentary approval, even though the Queen could gift them without it--whatever, let's just quietly get that ball rolling.

Harry should be told that while he will always be welcome to visit in a private capacity and will always have a place to stay if he chooses to come over, his wife's visa to the UK has been permanently revoked. Enough is enough now. The Crown should agree to cover their security costs in exchange for their cooperation in not merching . . only the officers installed should be undercover MI:5 agents who will uncover definitive proof that there is no child called Archie residing with the Harkles. At that point, Madam should be served with divorce papers and told she will get a small settlement in lieu of a prison term for treason if she takes it and goes away. The Crown should not pay their court costs for these frivolous lawsuits they are embroiled in. Let Herself chew that over and eat out her own liver. Perhaps after she's twisted in the wind for a while, the DM will graciously agree to let the suits be dropped, in exchange for some considerations on the Royal rota in future.

Let's squash this roach for good and all.
Piroska said…
On arrival at the Abbey Meggsie most unusually allowed Harry to get well ahead of her spending a great deal of time talking to those in the reception line standing closest to the door. I think that she was trying to hold things up so that Prince William would have to stand and wait for her to end her conversation. She actually was told to move on before the Cambridges reached the first of the Church representatives.
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Animal Lover said…
Vice does not have a large viewership. My guess is M will try to reinvent herself and establish some kind of career in the US.

That attempt will provide Nutties some blogging material.

Joan Crawford- Yes! Yes!! Yes!!!

aka Mommie Dearest, `an unbalanced alcoholic mother, whom she judged unfit to raise children'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mommie_Dearest

(apologies - I hadn't given credit for the quotation)
Elsbeth1847 said…

I have watched the trailer. Clearly there is an agenda which sounds like someone trying to have the last word after the emotional last several days. Note the preplanning that no matter how well it may have gone for her, this was going to be the response no matter what.

An observation: when you watch it on CC, they close with "applause" where they usually have what is spoken.

I tend to be snarky of any tv show which feels I'm too stupid to know when to laugh (or any other emotion) and therefore needs to tell me what I "ought to do".
Ava C said…
@Hikari - completely agree. I hate the thought of these dangling threads the Queen has left. I want them completely gone from all public life in the UK. In all guises, capacities or whatever. Forever.
Ava C said…
Oh and Kate looked absolutely beautiful last night even though I detest royal blue unless it's at Graceland.

Kate was wearing more definite lipstick than usual - a lovely springtime coral - and it really suited her. A relief to see her looking brighter after being so pale and drawn at the Commonwealth Service.
KCM1212 said…
https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.TOdcJT65aFdPHQ8yOT4xYgHaJu&pid=Api&dpr=1.33
KCM1212 said…
Oops...Meghans court case look
Hikari said…
Piroska,

>>> she was trying to hold things up so that Prince William would have to stand and wait for her to end her conversation. She actually was told to move on before the Cambridges reached the first of the Church representatives.<<<

Yep, saw it. Extremely transparent. She was dawdling hardcore, and there was a big gap between her and Wills. Who I'm sure was taking his time with whom he was speaking to so he wouldn't catch up with her. No sign of Harry . .he was already out of frame. Since Smirkle, in her two years as a royal heretofore is shown every single time dragging Harry away from a receiving line, sometimes in mid-conversation, because she was visibly bored with small talk not focused on her . . this marked the first time in their entire relationship that he finished in line before she did.

So predictable. Because all those other times, the Duke of Cambridge was not directly behind her in line.

She thinks that one (1) occasion of not pawing Harry in church & wearing a hat is sufficient 'playing at Duchess' to erase everything that went before .. nyet.

Things are really bad in the House of Windsor when Sophie Wessex won't even put on a show of cordiality. Poor Uncle Edward, caught in the middle, said a few words to the Sussexes, while trying to angle his body in such a way so Meg's view of the Cambridges was blocked. William doesn't even want That Woman looking at him or his wife. When Camilla arrived at her seat, she gave Meg an epic staredown . .and don't you know, at that moment Megsie found something enthralling in her program that required all of her concentration--the first time she'd bothered to look at it. Camilla finally gave up and sat down.

This chilly reception coupled with her exclusion from HM's processional will be exploited by Meg as yet more evidence that the Royal family are racist bullies who are picking on her and excluding her because she is 35% or less black. Her own grossly disrespectful, downright hateful behavior over these last 2 years doesn't even compute with her as the reason she is so universally disliked. She never does anything wrong or unlikeable; people are just so MEAN and UNREASONABLE and RACIST.

In any photo featuring the Harkles, observe closely the epic side eyes of disdain or discomfort they get. The side eyes were out in force yesterday in church. Her evil juju is felt by people sitting three rows back.
KCM1212 said…
Forget all that darn it....lol
pi said…
I want to know who will continue to pay for their PR. Because that's all they are, a PR hologram.
Hikari said…
@Ava,

When I heard that HM had stripped Harry of all his uniforms, I thought, "Well, she's not messing around--HM is livid." It's true that losing the uniforms and the shiny medals he did not actually earn were a great blow to Harry.

But in all other respects, he gets to keep everything else, including his post as President of the Youth Commonwealth Trust. Say again?? This prestigious appointment is huge. Presumably the only reason it was not given to William is that one day he will be head of the whole Commonwealth. All of his other charities are intact, and if they refer to him as 'patron' instead of 'Royal patron', that is a semantic difference that regular people do not care about; for us, they are synonymous. They are a big deal to the Royals, so it seems *to them* that they have dealt the Harkles a grievous blow, just like 'not being able to use' their HRH titles. But . .a rose by any other name. They retain those titles and patronages. The only thing that has changed is the etiquette of their address. That's all.

When we were informed, while watching Haz's long pouty face trudge down the aisle that "Harry will be back next month to open the London Marathon as usual", I about lost my sh*t. How can he then be called 'a former royal'? The press corps will be out in force to see HRH open the race ('Only, the Queen said we can't call 'im that any more; now 'e's 'Just 'arry'." Okay, Your Maj. That clears it right up. So if I buy a Lamborghini and want to be thought of as modest, I'll tell all my friends modestly that I just dropped $500 on an old VW beater van, and that's exactly what they will see when they look at my Italian luxury car. Because *I told them*, "Just call it an old VW beater van . . makes me seem less special."

But it's still a Lamborghini, and my friends are still going to want a picture of them riding in it for their Instagram.

Is this apt? This isn't exactly exiling them forever, ER.
Ava C said…
An article in yesterday's Telegraph made me realise Meghan didn't even last two years. It began "After one year, nine months and 19 days of married life in the Royal Family, the Sussexes are officially off".
@Queen Whitby - the way you extricate yourself from a Narc is to go no-contact. If you absolutely must be in the same room with them, such as weddings and funerals, completely ignore them. If they speak to you, feign deafness. Act as if they no longer exist. A taste of their own medicine, as they ghost anyone that has their number. If you're lucky, the narc will ignore you too. Beware, though, revenge is also something they do to people who ghost them. Stay vigilant.

When I went no-contact with my mother, she called my doctor and told him I was a drug addict. Funny that, since I don't drink, smoke or do any kind of drugs, street or prescription. She also called the police and told them I was a drug dealer. It was a small town and thought she could get away with destroying my life. The police were already well aware that she's nuts.
abbyh said…

contrast to Anne Boleyn> 1000 days or so?
Henrietta said…
Hikari,

Over the Christmas holidays, a regular DM poster -- his moniker is something like "MajTomiK" -- alleged that MM's visa had been cancelled, and she was told it wouldn't be renewed. Although lots of stuff has happened since then, none of it contradicts what he alleged. IMO it was true, but he never mentioned it again, and I no longer see him regularly on the boards. But I did "hear" somewhere a rumor that JH had had a car accident over the holidays and he was found to be drunk.

I think something like this did happen over the holidays, and that that Santa video was shot from JH's rehab. I think the Queen was waiting to make her move using either the drinking or drugging of one of the Sussexes, and that was why MM lost her visa.

I don't think they left as much as MM was pushed out and Harry had to make a decision to follow her. All the articles about "they're always welcome back" I don't believe. I think the RF and HM in particular are telling Harry he is welcome back, but she is not.
Ava C said…
@Hikari - yes this is what is really getting to me. Enough with the royal semantics and subtleties. All I care about is that neither of them should show their faces here. Period.

As the Harry Markle blog said recently, the Queen is playing a dangerous PR game, though to me it feels a hell of a lot more than PR. As a British citizen and (fading) monarchist it feels like someone bashing into you over and over again and never saying sorry and never trying to do anything about it.

That seems an exaggeration even to me, but my psyche feels bruised. I find Meghan so offensive and infuriating in so many ways, and I'm so tired of all this. As for Harry, I'm done.
Animal Lover said…
Don't be surprised if M becomes a commentator on a news/ entertainment program.
Hikari said…
Let us count all the ways her racist marriage family drove her out after one year, nine months and 19 days, shall we?

***The Queen allowed Harry to get engaged to a woman he had dated (charitable term) for about a year's worth of transatlantic booty calls, even though his choice: American, actress, older, twice married before (one annulment; one divorce); a family nobody had met, including Hary
****Harry was allowed to pull rank on his cousin, who'd been engaged for a year and who had previously chosen May 19th as her wedding date.
****TQ gifted Markle the use of her grandmother's favorite tiara, the Queen Mary bandeau for use on her wedding day
****TQ allowed this wedding to a divorced non-Briton in her favorite chapel, to the tune of some 40 million pounds.
*****The generosity of the brides's FIL allowed her to spend more money on clothing, shoes and jewelry than any other royal woman in all of Europe in the space of about 10 months.
*****TQ allowed 3.4 million pounds worth of renovations to an historic listed building, built by Queen Charlotte and a favorite place of hers as the Harkles' grace and favor home.
****Markle was gifted a solo engagement with the Queen on the Royal train within a few months of her marriage, a privilege not extended to any other Royal wives or born royals for that matter, in so short a time.
***TQ indulgently overlooked Markle's constant violation of direct instructions regarding her dress and deportment while on official engagements, while skewering the DoC over her outfits and chiding her grandson and heir for wearing a short sleeved shirt to a garden.
****TQ gifted the Harkles with no fewer than two (2) Commonwealth tours, featuring positive press for both, in that very brief space of their tenure in the RF.
***TQ allowed the pair to take extended holidays and 'garden leave' denied other working royals. In addition to shorter jaunts to Ibiza, Rome, Toronto, New York City and Elton John's house in Nice, the Harkles have done no royal 'work' for more than four months . . until the last week.

Meggy could never last in a 'real' job. Come to think of it, she hasn't.
@Hikari,’he gets to keep everything else, including his post as President of the Youth Commonwealth Trust. ‘


The Commonwealth Youth Ambassador role was a royal one and he had to relinquish that one. It’s not the same one as
the President of the Youth Commonwealth Trust. 🤗 As I said in an earlier comment, it does not carry the same prestige or weight as the royal Patronage role he had.
Quangochef said…
What are they going to do in the next 3 weeks?

I'm expecting more of the same.

1) well timed instagram posts from MM's secret meetings released just in time to try to upstage another Royal

2) more nonsense about their foundation with just enough details to string the press along a little longer

3) their living arrangements.

I've been watching the house articles. Their living arrangements are the only source of press this vainglorious couple gets that is totally independent of the Royal Family. First there is the mega million dollar mansion on Vancouver Island where they are supposedly staying. The house on the same street as the Lululemon guy. Celine Dion's house. Today the Malibu house. They are going to have to make a decision soon otherwise they may be accused of renting out their titles to real estate agents who then uses it to boost the profile of unsellable mansions.

Incidentally the market is bad on Vancouver Island for mega million dollar mansions. Something to do with new money laundering rules, property title disclosure and new taxes on homes worth several million dollars.

Sooner or later they are going to have to deliver so perhaps 4) leaks on how they are going to earn a living after March 31. They are going to have to show some earnings soon because it won't be long before someone in the British press, perhaps Piers Morgan, writes a column with an embarrassing headline like HARRY, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO REPAY THE TAXPAYERS FOR FROGMORE!
pi said…
@KCM 1212

Harry only looked besotted at scripted intervals this weekend.

Oooh, very good point! Largely Just Harry was miserable and fuming. I bet she was kvetching and goading him and criticising all week; that is one abusive piece of work. I bet that she was the one who demanded they be in the procession- she can't chance their royal brand diminished. Having WK seated also was genius. I bet she threw her weight around from the moment she landed.

I also imagine Just Harry spent all his days between a rock and a hard place. I believe she's the one who had him demanding stuff from the queen at all his meetings with the RF. I actually believe they're getting everything he and the shrike wanted, the royal fam caved and will be shady about it.

The photograph that unmasked them was shocking. People mock it, but it deserves far more scrutiny and discussion than that. That is the true face and state of their relationship. Her venom and disordered rage know no bounds and he is a shell of a man. That is the look of a bunny boiler capable of anything. Just terrifying.

It's a shame there were no close-ups at the service because their eyes would tell us everything- the truth.
OUCH. "Channeling Wallace Simpson"

https://the-charlatan-duchess.tumblr.com/image/612214782654857216
Portcitygirl said…
https://mol.im/a/8092421

This is why the BRF is having to bend over backwards for these two hypocrites. (HAMS)

I for one am glad PW and DC gave them the cold shoulder. They deserved it! I don't even know how Harry could hold his head up in the presence of his family.
Hikari said…
Henrietta,


>>>Over the Christmas holidays, a regular DM poster -- his moniker is something like "MajTomiK" -- alleged that MM's visa had been cancelled, and she was told it wouldn't be renewed. But I did "hear" somewhere a rumor that JH had had a car accident over the holidays and he was found to be drunk.<<<

Well, this would not surprise me one bit. Wonder where the accident occurred, there was one? Because Vancouver Island seems like a bizarre choice for their 'winter break'--neither Meg nor Haz likes woods and solitude . . they are into the party scene. Meg's circle of Canadian friends and drug suppliers, et. al are in Toronto . . the other side of a very large continent. Meggy had visited Vancouver Island once before; maybe it was then she heard about the rehab facility in Saanich. This does explain the 'Santa Harry' video, but if he was making it from rehab, he was still high. How could that have seemed a good idea?

>>>I think the Queen was waiting to make her move using either the drinking or drugging of one of the Sussexes, and that was why MM lost her visa.

Well, except that it ain't lost yet . . she's been there all week and proposes to stay for 'a few more days'. Probably has to hook up with Ed Enniful for more silly hat photos and a 'secret' visit to the Luminary Bakery for some more inspirational confectionery pictures.

I hope that the visa will be revoked once she returns to Canada or wherever she's living now, yeah. In the meantime, if HM's intention was to ban Markle, inviting her back for a week of photo opportunities, capping off with one of the major Royal worship events of the year was an odd way to obliterate Markle's profile. She's got boatloads of new pictures and renewed interest in her (much of it negative, but still, some of those photos were good) and she's going to exploit it for all she can.

>>>I don't think they left as much as MM was pushed out and Harry had to make a decision to follow her. All the articles about "they're always welcome back" I don't believe. I think the RF and HM in particular are telling Harry he is welcome back, but she is not.<<<

I do think all the contortions over the Sandringham Summit, et al, were to try and find a workable way to keep Harry onside. For now it appears that he's choosing her. He's miserable, everyone can see it, but he's stubborn and bitter and hateful, too so he's going to double down on his bad choices. He cannot bear the truth that once again, his elder brother was right and once again, he was the screwup. It's going to end up destroying him. If it's true that Haz is drink-driving, cast aside from his family, his recklessness will go unchecked. Meg doesn't care about him. In fact, Harry is probably worth more dead than alive to her. If she got to be his glamorous widow, they'd have to continue to support her forever, and her poor fatherless bairn; she could forever be 'the Duchess of Sussex, tragic widow who lost the love of her life so young'--let's face it, the only other scenario that lies ahead is screaming matches, 'Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?" style, followed by the divorce & her inevitable aging, watching another woman become 'The' Duchess of Sussex'. Harry should be frightened. I predict that he's going to die soon, either accidentally or on purpose. Initially I said 5 years but seeing that photo of her satanic face in the car, I'm revising that window to 2.

She'll be back. I think in her (twisted) mind this was a smashing success. She got the oxygen of publicity that She so craves. I'd like to think that they will slowly fade away but that seems unlikely. I hope am wrong.

Next? Eugenie's wedding. Yes, I can see another "bump" to steal the show again. One year of stringing out another "pregnacy".
Sadly, the waiting out strategy, if in fact that is what the RF are doing, won't work with Manic Meg. Where's a billionaire for her to trap?

DesignDoctor said…
@Pi

Your analysis of the Harkle's relationship rings true to me.

I agree. The photo in the car was shocking especially after the umbrella shot where they "appeared" to be so in love!

FAKE, FAKE, FAKE!

@ Hikari

So agree with your analyses, too. The Queen has been too soft on them. I would have booted them both out in January.
Hikari said…
RR,
>>>The Commonwealth Youth Ambassador role was a royal one and he had to relinquish that one. It’s not the same one as
the President of the Youth Commonwealth Trust. 🤗 As I said in an earlier comment, it does not carry the same prestige or weight as the royal Patronage role he had.<<<

Thanks for the clarification . . I wasn't aware there were two separate titles.

President of the Youth Commonwealth Trust is still a high-profile title, even if largely a sinecure. Again, it seems mostly like semantics to me. More importantly, if the RF have revoked Mess's right to enter the UK again and truly want to see the back of her, why would any patronage be encouraged to retain her as a patron? Royal appointment or not, the Commonwealth is directly associated with the Queen, so any 'President' titles of any feature of the Commonwealth are going to be seen as coming from her. Same with the National Theatre, even though Meggy is no longer Royal patron . .the ONLY reason they would retain her is because the Queen initially selected her. The Royal patina still lingers, despite the 'name' being benched. Meg is certainly not valuable to them for her acting ability.

How does the Commonwealth Youth Trust or any of these patronages think the Harkles will be able to fulfil their duties as patrons from Los Angeles, especially if Meg is barred from entering the UK? I am perplexed by the whole thing.
DesignDoctor said…
To answer Nutty's question, No, I do not think that the Harkle's will be silent.

Smirkle was so obviously lapping up all the attention with the the cameras flashing. She will want more narcissistic supply--attention and adoration. I am not sure how she will manage that with Harry around. No more "accidental" pap walks allowed. My guess is that she will post pics from the Farewell Tour on Insta to try to keep her name and image in the spotlight for as long as possible.
Sandie said…
The Queen's Commonwealth Trust:

You can see here what they did in 2019 and how the Sussexes were involved:

https://www.queenscommonwealthtrust.org/inspiration/qct-2019-highlights/

It is a platform for the Sussexes to showcase themselves as woke and empowering but they just turn up, get photographs taken and Megsy takes the opportunity to make a speech and sprout her opinions.

The Sussexes will probably use this organisation to fund travel as they visit parts of the Commonwealth and use the projects to promote an image for themselves in the hope that this will bring them major donations.

There are a lot of heavyweight people involved in this organisation and I doubt that they will be happy about interference from Megsy. They probably tolerate her because of the Queen but her and Harry do nothing to bring in donations (I think it is already well funded anyway) and are not involved in any of the projects. Here is the team:

https://www.queenscommonwealthtrust.org/team/

There is a funding aspect but Megsy and Harry are not involved in any way with that:

https://www.justgiving.com/thequeenscommonwealth

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pi said…
@Hikari

He's miserable, everyone can see it, but he's stubborn and bitter and hateful, too so he's going to double down on his bad choices. He cannot bear the truth that once again, his elder brother was right and once again, he was the screwup. It's going to end up destroying him.

Indeed. After that unmasking, it's troublesome. The end of Harry, once unimaginable, now seems possible. And the BRF are enabling this state of affairs by coddling him and giving in to their demands. That is the real tragedy.

Harry at root is a wastrel and libertine and now without limits but always with a safety net, he's been totally set free to destroy himself, like many dissolute scions in the past. And if he dies, they will blame her. And pay her. It's a predictable scenario. The real winner will be the shrike who seems to have nailed them all to the wall. Yes, the BRF should totally be blamed for this ongoing mess and suffering.
Fairy Crocodile said…
Does anybody know why princess Anne was not present? As Princess Royal sure she qualifies as senior member of the family?

Did she excuse herself not wanting to deal with the Harkles? I am so curious. Rumor mill is strangely silent on this one.
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lizzie said…
@Fairy Crocodile

I'm not sure Princess Anne attended the CW Service last year either.

https://www.westminster-abbey.org/abbey-news/commonwealth-service-2019
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Sandie said…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8095497/Fans-praise-Cambridges-sweet-gesture-share-snaps-Prince-Harry-Meghan.html

These are the photos that kensingtnroyal included in their post, and to me they are sending a clear message:
* Harry, we love you and miss you and this photo reminds us of that Harry.
* Meghan using her look of adoration on a man she has just met. It's not love Harry and when are you going to wake up and see that?
Sandie said…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8095479/Meghan-Markle-wows-royal-fans-sweeping-curtsey-Prince-Charles.html

Kate and William had seen Charles and Camilla earlier in the day. There is no way that Kate and William would show disrespect in public by not bowing and curtsying (as they did to the Queen).
Bet she leaves England with skid marks behind her.

Quite right: it's a conditioned reflex. She was quaking in her boots knowing how many Brits would pelt her with eggs given half a chance. And the eggs.
Sandie said…
Andrew ... if I was his lawyer I would also have instructed him to not submit himself to questioning.
1. That interview showed that he would be a very bad witness and land himself deep in trouble, whether innocent or not.
2. Epstein is dead and cannot be prosecuted. Even a civil suit for damages would be unjust as Epstein is not alive to defend himself.
3. Why would the FBI pursue a dead man or get themselves involved in a civil matter? Is it because they are not after Epstein but are trying to find someone in his circle that they can build a case against?
4. They are targeting Andrew but are completely ignoring some famous and powerful men in the USA who were as involved as Andrew was. I would not trust them at all.

Andrew is hoping to rehabilitate himself. I don't think he ever will, and the subject of taxpayer-funded protection is going to come up. If it must go for the Sussexes then it must go for Andrew. As for living in Crown property (not the personal property of the Queen), Andrew pays rent and always has plus he paid for the renovations to the property. When are Meghan and Harry going to start paying rent, and pay back the money for the renovations? They have been very vague about that, stating it as an intention (and they are not to be trusted).
Liver Bird said…
"Why allow her any British platforms to possibly use for fauxmanitarian posturing, merching, PR or for leapfrogging into money-making schemes?"

The status of her no longer royal 'patronages' are now entirely between Meghan and the organisation of which she is 'patron'. If they want her to continue as patron, she gets to remain patron. The queen has no influence over any of this, as they will no longer be royal patronages.
JHanoi said…
I agree with Sandie
Ava C said…
I don't think Prince Charles could afford to cover the Harkles' security costs on an ongoing basis. The Duchy of Cornwall profits are about £21M p.a. His own living costs are considerable, he already gives about £5M p.a. to William and Harry between them* and the estimated costs of protecting the Harkles overseas (as estimated by previous RPOs and Met officers) are massive.

*How does that look now? The annual disbursement to his sons. About £2.5M p.a. to the son and wife who stay and do their duty, with smiles and graciousness no matter what the provocation. The other £2.5 to the son who's an ungrateful, disloyal, indolent lout and a wife who's done nothing but disgrace herself and this country.
IEschew said…
As a parent, I can only add this: Nothing would keep me in a different country than my child at this time. With COVID-19 and all the possible quarantines and unknowns, I would be with my baby asap. I never would have left him in the first place. No ceremony could keep me away (certainly not for a family and institution I had deemed toxic and archaic, as Meg has the BRF), and certainly no engagements after it. I read in DM that they’re still in England. No idea who is correct about their whereabouts, but I wouldn’t be separated from a 10-month-old baby for anything, Queen or country, and for this among many reasons, I don’t think they are parents in the way they want us to believe.
xxxxx said…
Prince Andrew would be a fool to visit America. He should not say anything and hope Epstein fades away. Andrew used to visit America frequently for R&R.
SwampWoman said…
I agree with Sandie re Prince Andrew. There are a lot of rich and powerful US citizens that they COULD be interviewing but are not.

I agree with IEschew. They have left a 10-month-old infant with an unknown person in an unknown location which allegedly is not England in a time of pandemic and are dilly-dallying about returning to him? Things are evolving rapidly re travel as the situation in Italy indicates. What responsible parent would do such a thing?
Hikari said…
IEschew,

>>>I wouldn’t be separated from a 10-month-old baby for anything, Queen or country, and for this among many reasons, I don’t think they are parents in the way they want us to believe.<<<

Absolutely with you. I believe with all my soul that there is no baby waiting for them in Canada. Or that she was ever pregnant herself. I think there was a surrogacy that went sideways, they were denied custody of any baby, whether their genetic issue or not, and she has been scrambling ever since, Photoshopping and borrowing/hiring babies for various photo shoots. It has been floated that the Father's Day Insta photo of a tiny infant cowering behind Harry's enormous Hand was an image of one of Jessica Mulroney's babies. There seem to have been two different infants presented at the christening . . one blond, one faintly ginger, with a wonky eye; South Africa Archie with no hair, a wonky eye and a completely differently shaped head, who looked to be cruising at '4 months', the little baby (by many accounts, a Turkish friend's little 'girl'--since the baby is wearing tights, a skirt and the pom hat owned by these friends and modeled before on their daughter--a pom hat that had been discontinued, and yet these friends had an extra one, retailing at $50, identical to their daughter's to gift to 'Archie'?

Sure.

Then of course, the gargantuan Christmas card baby which bore no resemblance to any of these--his parents were Photoshopped in the background also, along with the gargantuan Christmas tree and the carpeting . . Can any of us say with conviction in our hearts that we have seen Archie? I cannot.

Hikari said…
The most troubling of these is the initial presentation of Archie to the world and to Her Majesty and PP, where first Harry, and then Meg appear to be holding a Reborn doll. Despite the eerie stillness of the child, even when Harry was digging hard into his little arm, I was hesitant to believe that even Meg would go so far as to present a plastic baby to the Queen of England as her eighth great grandchild, never mind the watching world. But we've never seen the same 'Archie' twice, just like we never saw the same Bump twice, and I have learned since that these Reborns can be cast to be the identical likeness from a real child's photograph. So now I am not sure. Because if a birth mother and the authorities were loath to hand over a live baby to these two, why would they be permitted to pose with him for pictures and claim him as theirs? I do not put it past Meghan to hurt children and small animals, because she is a sociopath and they would only be props to her ego. When thwarted she can be violent and frightening. The stories are coming out. We have seen the photographic evidence of her rage. If that is anywhere near a real baby, I am beside myself.

The troubling matter of the Queen acknowledging Archie in the succession in her Christmas speech and in writing, by name, troubles me greatly. The picture where TQ met 'him', along with PP is obviously a hoax, as was the christening photo. Yet these images were disseminated far and wide without a peep from the Palace in protest OR acknowledgement. What does this mean?

It occurred to me that the mention of Archie obliquely in the Queen's Speech may have been under threat by the Harkles--acknowledge Archie publicly or Meg hurts Harry. Or Harry hurts himself. I'm serious. The most powerful family in the world is acting like they are all emotional hostages. The Archie situation in no conceivable way resembles a real family with a baby. It just doesn't. And apart from those two mentions by the Queen, he is never, ever spoken of by anyone else.

Archie is the key . . For a year-plus, the BRF has been hiding and nursing along a terrible secret: that via Harry, they have been coerced into going along with a monstrous fraud perpetrated by a crazy woman. They've been trying to keep a lid on it, lest they be accused of causing her insanity with their racism . .maybe trying to get both of them into treatment and force them to come clean about Archie. But how can they undo their role in the cover-up? At this stage, that is going to be the big question. I have a sense that 'Archie-gate' could topple the monarchy faster than Andrew's ties to Epstein.
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Hikari said…
Swampie,

>>> They have left a 10-month-old infant with an unknown person in an unknown location which allegedly is not England in a time of pandemic and are dilly-dallying about returning to him? Things are evolving rapidly re travel as the situation in Italy indicates. What responsible parent would do such a thing?<<<

Indeed. And what is this vague crap about Archie being in the care of 'a family friend'?

Which family is this . . the family Meghan never had? The one she most definitely does not have in Canada? Jessica Mulroney lives on the other side of Canada and has three kids of her own. Why mention specifically this 'family friend' by no nanny, no security . . ? The alleged child has one grandmother, Doria, but he's not with her, give me a break. Anyway, it'd be better optics to say that Archie's grandma is caring for him (his Black grandma), rather than some unspecified 'friend'.

The BRF would not be so cavalier about this were a real child in danger here. Would they? If this is a clandestine MI:5 op in progress and that's why nothing is being said about Archie's security, location or welfare . . maybe we will find out about it one day. Because if she's kidnapped an heir in the line of succession and is holding him in an undisclosed location in the custody of unknown, unvetted persons and intending to keep him away from his royal family forever . . why is she vamping her green clad buttpads up the aisle at Westminster Abbey and not in an interrogation cell?

Just asking.
Fairy Crocodile said…
Another question to knowledgeable Nuttiers:

On exit from the chapel, Sussexes went behind Cambriges but Wessexes didn't. If you watch the video you will see that instead of following Wessexes out from the second line of seats Markle exists in front of the first line chairs and hurries up behind Cambriges.

Looks like they broke protocol by doing this because Sophie gives her an incredulous look.

Also looks like they forced themselves into procession, even if on exit only.

SwampWoman said…
Hikari says: Archie is the key . . For a year-plus, the BRF has been hiding and nursing along a terrible secret: that via Harry, they have been coerced into going along with a monstrous fraud perpetrated by a crazy woman. They've been trying to keep a lid on it, lest they be accused of causing her insanity with their racism . .maybe trying to get both of them into treatment and force them to come clean about Archie. But how can they undo their role in the cover-up? At this stage, that is going to be the big question. I have a sense that 'Archie-gate' could topple the monarchy faster than Andrew's ties to Epstein.

I just don't know, Hikari. If your theory is correct, perhaps she knows PP is dying and wants to spare him this, then will announce when he has passed on? Perhaps she will take responsibility for it, explaining the emotional blackmail, and will hand the reins of the kingdom over to Charles?

Maybe MM knows that Harry is wavering and that is why she is postponing her flight to Canada or wherever the hell she is planning on going.

I do think that the public does know all too well about the emotional blackmail plied upon parents and grandparents by addicts and/or mentally unstable people, and may be more forgiving of a grandmother's desperate bid to save a ne'er-do-well grandchild than you think because many of them may be in the same position (with beloved grandchildren gone bad, not with imaginary grandchildren).
There is no good reason for the entire BRF to be "in on it"? Is there?

If not, then exactly what is so horrible about the BRF that Meg is holding over their heads? It must be much worse than what Andrew has done, they just swept that under the carpet by removing him from public duty.
gloriosa said…
@ Fairy Crocodile,

Several other bloggers have said that MM pushed her way in almost climbing over chairs to do so, hence PH angry look, they were supposed to wait with The Wessex's apparently. Also fellow Nutties have a look at the BBC footage of the Cambridge's and PC and Doc arriving with particular attention to the front seat RPO's, in both cases they appear to be wearing side arms and are not used to it, hence strange bulges in their jackets at waist level. No clear shots I'm afraid.
Ian's Girl said…
Honestly, I just do not see how Nutmeg can be surrounded by RPOs and use harming Archie or Harry as any kind of a threat. That makes no sense whatsoever. If she were in fact using Archie as a threat, she would not let him out of her arms for one minute, let alone leave the house without him, let alone fly half way around the world and stay there for a week or better.

And while I am open to there having been a surrogate, I also do not believe that they can pretend to have a baby with a house full of RPOs, either. Presumably the baby has his own protection, and I do not believe that Meghan Markle, who is so unconcerned with details that she can't even be bothered to make sure her shoes are clean before showing herself on a worldwide stage, can have been faking having a baby in her possession all this time, especially in Canada where she's been all but isolated.

I just don't see it. I think Harry is the main reason why we haven't seen Archie, and I think even Duchess NPD knows she can't push him on the issue. I think he's absolutely adamant that Archie is not to be paraded before the paps. I think that's why we got the doll in the carrier when he left for England; she was testing the waters. If he had thrown a fit, she could laugh and say, of course I didn't disobey you, dear, I just couldn't resist making a fool out of those mean old paps skulking in the bushes.

FWIW, I don't think any of the Cambridge babies moved one iota when they were presented, either. Babies are swaddled so tightly now, and day old infants are pretty still anyway. My first one laid so still his first few weeks that I was always panicking that he'd stopped breathing. I myself have never noticed any difference between the looks of the babies that have been shown, but I do agree the most recent one (I think?) with Harry looks like, and is dressed like, a girl. (Does anyone have links to the Turkish friend's Instagram or pics of her girl?) But this could also just be an example of how Their Not-Very-Royal Wokenesses are raising the child to be gender neutral.

I hope my novel doesn't come across as rude or overly argumentative. I mean only to present my opinion. I just don't see how anyone could fool several professionally trained protection officers, on duty 24/7, that there was a child in a house if there wasn't one.
Meowwww said…
She left Archie with a “family friend”, just like she did with that poor dog of hers when she moved to the UK. The dog was never seen again.

I enjoyed the DM’s article; the author made mention of the “somewhat rictus grin” on MMs face.
Portcitygirl said…
About Archiegate

I in no way think Harry would present a doll to his grandparents. Also, I believe the baby to be theirs biologically. I'm not certain if she used a surrogate, but again, it is still their baby biologically. The Queen acknowledged Archie end of, imho.

It is obvious to any observer that Harry is very troubled. The pic of him leaving the chapel was a huge indication of how unsettled he is. Maybe the Queen et al are so concerned that they feel no choice but to acquiesce in this very sad situation.

By now they are well aware of his loose cannon wife's antics and are not surprised in the least. My hope is in the long game and that Harry divorces her sooner rather than later.

However, I would not be surprised at all if they had some dirt
on the RF. But to sure the Firm has a great deal of secrets they are sitting on concerning Ms. Fancy Pants as well.
pi said…
@Fairy Crocodile

Also looks like they forced themselves into procession, even if on exit only.

Whoa. If that's true, then would this explain the look of fury on Harry's face? This sort of brazenness is Markle's signature. Mind you Harry wasn't averse to gate-crashing an investiture. It's hard to believe Harry hates his family this much even though we know she does.
Hikari said…
@Swampie,

>>>I do think that the public does know all too well about the emotional blackmail plied upon parents and grandparents by addicts and/or mentally unstable people, and may be more forgiving of a grandmother's desperate bid to save a ne'er-do-well grandchild than you think because many of them may be in the same position (with beloved grandchildren gone bad, not with imaginary grandchildren).<<<

For ER's sake, if she has been complicit in any cover-up about Archie, I hope you are right. I do have compassion for a grandmother who is watching her family unravel in front of her in her last days as she prepares to say goodbye to a beloved husband, her 'rock'.

Given her age and frailty and that of Philip, what the Sussexes are doing now goes beyond cruel. That's why I think they are both drug addicts and mentally compromised on a number of levels, because sober, healthy people who were just wanting to broker more satisfactory terms for their work lives would not have behaved this way. Drug addicts cease to care about relationships, even with those closest to them; all they care about is getting their next fix by any means necessary. In addition to whatever nose candy/booze/pills, etc. they are into, Meg's drug is attention, fame and money. Harry's is ostensibly Meghan, but that lad continues to confuse me by the hour.

'Desperate, loving grandmother' will be ER's best defense if there has been collusion re. this pregnancy and child. The problem is that a great many of the vampires in the media and among the civilian commentators are not parents or grandparents, don't know what it's like to have children & are too busy being Woke and nasty to have compassion for a conservative, religious nongenarian who heads up an 'outmoded and racist institution' that has 'rejected' their first black American Woke member.


@Narcs
>>>There is no good reason for the entire BRF to be "in on it"? Is there?

Not that we, sane persons, can devise, no. More specifically, why they would not have acted much sooner to shut down this con artist and her ridiculous schemes, never mind going along with them.

>>>If not, then exactly what is so horrible about the BRF that Meg is holding over their heads? It must be much worse than what Andrew has done, they just swept that under the carpet by removing him from public duty.<<<

That is the 42 million pound question, isn't it? It must be bad. Unless they felt obligated to allow her to defraud the world in their name, pretend to be pregnant while acting like a prostitute at official engagements, stage a top secret birth and christening and decimate them with unauthorized interviews, all the while pretending to be a dedicated (nursing) mother . . just so they wouldn't have the R grenade lobbed at them?

They bent over backwards to go along with the fraud that is Meg and guess what? She's still calling them racists at every turn, along with (giggle) their lily-white rogue member.

Truly, this is one of the great mysteries of our time.

Hikari said…
@Ian's
>>>I think Harry is the main reason why we haven't seen Archie, and I think even Duchess NPD knows she can't push him on the issue. I think he's absolutely adamant that Archie is not to be paraded before the paps.<<<

If we were speaking of the robust Harry circa 2015 who was spearheading Invictus and seeming to be his own man and carve out his niche in the Firm, I could be with you here. But it turns out we didn't know then how very weak and rudderless Haz is inside himself. Look at the empty shell of the man before us now--the one with the dead eyes who trails behind Meg, obediently hitting his marks on command and letting her maul his hand in public. This chap doesn't even know what time it is. I thought 'What Meghan wants, Meghan gets!!!"? But Meghan wants to monetize Archie by flaunting him for photographers. Harry is going to defy her over this, when he's so terrified of losing her sick, twisted hold over him he has alienated his entire family and told the Queen of England to F herself, figuratively and maybe literally as well?

I can't see Haz having the spine. He just doesn't have the agency. This defeated, self-medicating sad sack has lost any sense of himself or his own will and will do anything Mummy tells him to . . like dress like a leprechaun in church. Would the Meg we know, who has literally laughed in the face of the Queen of England, go all meek and say "OK, honey." when Haz *demands* that she not show off Archie? Doesn't sound like our gal at all. She's brainwashed him. She's going to do what she likes, and if Harry's gran can't make her toe the line, Harry certainly can't. Because *no one* tells Rachel what to do.

The limp-rag carrier doll papp travesty may have been a practice run, but to me it goes beyond that to evidence of a profoundly disturbed mind. This was really the moment I had been waiting for--for Meg to go apeshizz and run naked through the streets, in a manner of speaking, all her crazy on display. I believe that were there an Archie, Harry doesn't want him paraded for cameras, but Harry is not the strength behind their decision making as a couple. She is the shot caller. So if she prances with a dolly in the woods, it's not because Archie was napping and she didn't want to wake him. She had need of her narc fuel of attention and was convinced that nobody would notice her dangling, inert 'baby' and just praise her to the skies as a great mom, out taking the air with her child and dogs.

Hikari said…
>>I think that's why we got the doll in the carrier when he left for England; she was testing the waters. If he had thrown a fit, she could laugh and say, of course I didn't disobey you, dear, I just couldn't resist making a fool out of those mean old paps skulking in the bushes.<<

Maybe that's what she told Harry. Still makes her bat merde cray cray though, to use Elle's phrase. In no way shape or form would a sane person do this, even as an elaborate practical joke. The crazy just shoots out of her eyes.

For Meg, the world is one giant soundstage and these little tableaux she stages are her own movies of which she is writer, star and executive producer. Her reality is what she says it is, because if she got pictures, then 'it happened' according to her narrative. For a little girl playing Barbies, this is imagination at work, and it's cute. In a grown woman, it is disturbing. I think she's barking mad, and Harry is her stooge. If the family is keeping schtum about what they know, it's because she is so insane, they are going to look really bad by association. They just want to her go away, far away to America where she can become our problem, trailing Harry behind her. I do think a rescue & recovery operation of Harry will be attempted, hence the '12 month review' period.

>>>FWIW, I don't think any of the Cambridge babies moved one iota when they were presented, either. Babies are swaddled so tightly now, and day old infants are pretty still anyway.

Yes but we got some micromovments . .a twitch of an eyelash or a tiny moue. Also there was tons of verifiable witnesses to these babies having been born alive, at that hospital at the time said. Not so with Archie.

Hikari said…
>>>But this could also just be an example of how Their Not-Very-Royal Wokenesses are raising the child to be gender neutral.<<<

Could be. Or here's a more insidious thought: We are raising our child gender neutral was planted in the minds of the public before the 'birth' because Meg knew by that point that there wasn't going to be a baby for her to take home and keep, and she was going to have to hustle to find appropriate babies to borrow. Gender neutral would cover her a$$ if sometimes she could get a boy, other times, a girl, or the baby's looks changed mysteriously from appearance to appearance. "They change so much over the two weeks", you know. Maybe Harry revealed more than he'd meant to and they'd been auditioning 'Archies' even then. Her 'confinement' period was a very long 9 weeks--a full school term. Even though she told people in January that "It's not long now!"

>>>I hope my novel doesn't come across as rude or overly argumentative. I mean only to present my opinion.

No worries. These admittedly outlandish scenarios are only possible reasons I've come up with; theories only, not facts. But since it's Meg we are dealing with, we cannot discount the outlandish simply because that is not how you, I or any other sane person would act.

"Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth". --Sherlock Holmes

It is not *impossible* for Meg to be spinning an elaborate tale of 'Archie' aided by Moonbumps, dolls, hired baby actors and Photoshop. She is, after all, an actress. Not a good one, but fakin' it comes naturally to her.


>>>I just don't see how anyone could fool several professionally trained protection officers, on duty 24/7, that there was a child in a house if there wasn't one.<<<

We only have the papers' word that there are any RPOs (as many as 15, all told) attending to a 'family of three'. If Meg has that many friggin' Royal security detail, why did the two listless guys trailing behind her on their phones during the papp walk in the woods look like such amateur hour? That makes me very suspicious.

We have to accept, however unsavory, that the Palace is backing them up in their lies by refusing to contradict any media reports Meg cares to put out there. They are still clinging to the 'Don't complain; don't explain' model that has served them for so long but which is now outmoded.

That's why I keep my mind open that in this sordid, unprecedented story, anything is possible. Well, apart from Meg being a unicorn. But her 'son' may well be.
witwritergirl said…
New poster here. Following and it's fantastic! I'm on board with the surrogacy more than fake or changeable baby. At some point you must produce a living human. Who starts kindergarten if he doesn't exist or is the plan to rent a baby, toddler, young man and grown man? Sooner or later Archie will want to play sports and be out with friends. Everyone has a cellphone and pics will be easily available. Of they could claim to homeschool him but thats way too much parenting for these two. Can they be that dumb? I can't wait until this all reveals itself.
Sandie said…
And here it is ... Megsy trumpeting 'important work' with the QCT:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B9kS7YjJ_kI/?utm_source=ig_embed

Here's the post at LSA if you want to read the text:

https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/meghan-markle-unpopular-opinions-thread-pt-2.2215591/page-3131#post-55601875
Sandie said…
Yep, using the QCT to promote themselves ...

https://www.instagram.com/tv/B9kR_i5HPxA/?utm_source=ig_embed
MeliticusBee said…
@witwriter
Oh how I hope this is all over long before the kid (whether he is or isn't) starts kindergarten.

I am 99.9% certain she did not have a baby in her belly.
I am 90% certain there is no baby in her direct possession but leaving a 10% chance that she has a baby of some type near her...that someone else takes care of.
She does not act like she has a baby at all, nor like that baby and/or doll she has occasionally been seen with is a baby in her care, or that she has ever taken care of a baby for more than an hour.
Sandie said…
@holly: That's the QCT IG post and video that I gave the links to above.
Hikari said…
Witwritergirl,

Welcome to our little madhouse!

What you write above is the very crux of Meghan's problem. She had a plan that went sideways and/or she just didn't think through the necessity of eventually having to produce a living, growing--consistently so--child. The excessive paranoia about 'privacy', to the point of not releasing the child's birth certificate or the names of any of her doctors is abnormal.

When something presents as abnormal, I have to ask why.

Given that the Duchess of Cambridge in particular loves babies and has made her primary platform the health and wellbeing of children, I would have expected pictures of Kate meeting her nephew, and the baby meeting the cousins. Nada. The huge inert baby Meg paraded around at the polo last summer was another of her little stunt-double ploys, I think. The two brothers had had a steaming, screaming row just before the match. What was that about? Why did the Duke of Cambridge instruct his wife to not engage with Meg and the object in her arms? Wouldn't Will look cute in a photo holding Harry's firstborn?

There is a reason, a sinister one, I believe, for why we haven't seen any of this. And for why all the images of Archie have been produced by Meg's own hired photographer, Chris Allerton, as the property of the now defunct SussexRoyal . . NOT the official BP photographers. Why? Because Palace images are the property of the Queen and Sussex Royal images are the copyrighted property of Meghan.

I don't care if Archie was a surrogate baby. He'd still be real and deserving of love. Maybe a child was born this way, but given the extraordinary and very non-parental behavior of the Harkles, I am in the camp that says that they do not have custody of a baby now. Archie is a useful idea, a marketing tool, but eventually it will have to be outed as to whether he's just a marketing idea or the real thing. It's the lies and the subterfuge all around that get to me.
@Este
“I really gotta wonder how long Harry will be able to stick out this marriage. I hope not long because he's clearly not happy and what kind of future awaits him now? Picking up the train of Meghan's dress for a living?”

What springs to mind for me is the montage in the film Forgetting Sarah Marshall where Peter is shown at various Hollywood functions literally holding his girlfriend/TV actress Sarah Marshall’s handbag in the background while she preens and poses for the cameras. Yep, Harry, that’s gonna be you shortly. Enjoy.
MeliticusBee said…
@Sandie
That dress is way too big - and chosen for it's ethnic flavor - i.e. "diversity" pandering
Does she ever, ever wear anything that is well-executed? Ever?
Smugs is front and center in every IG photo. Harry is just as complicit, that first photo isn't him faking it.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B9kS7YjJ_kI/?utm_source=ig_embed
none said…
@Sandie Yes, I saw your post after I posted, so deleted mine. Yours was better and had the actual link :) Harry looks ridiculous.
Mimi said…
she looked like a grasshopper in the green dress, ape, hat.
HappyDays said…
She needs more narcissistic fuel than Harry alone can provide so we’ll see more of the type of stuff we saw when she was in BC — walking with baby and dogs, driving to the airport, making her “secret” visits to random places that will let her in to use them for photo ops.

Maybe she’ll start popping up in LA. Especially if they rent that modestly-priced mansion in Malibu.

At least the waters off Malibu won’t have any sharks around when she’s there. They will steer clear of her as a professional courtesy.
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Mimi

The cape caused me to think of a bib. The placement was so weird. How much better the dress would look with a straight light coat over it. Not green.

The hat was a miss too due to overdone net on it. A smaller veil or net would work.
Ian's Girl said…
@Hikari, we will always be 100 percent in agreement that she is beyond a doubt crazy! And I also agree that it's odd we haven't seen W&C with Archie, but I am comfortable with that being pure spite on Meghan's behalf. And Harry right there willing to go along with it.

But of course I can see where if W&C have any doubts about Archie, that he'd insist on not having anything to do with him! And frankly, I bet he thinks that way about her regardless of Archie.

She could have given birth in the middle of Piccadilly Circus with 1000 witnesses to vouch for it, and I bet William would still stay "this bitch is fugbukkin' nuts, and I do not want me or mine to have anything other than a superficial relationship with her or her child, because who knows how she'll twist it in the future"

I believe there are RPOs because that seems to be their biggest beg. (Merching aside) If there were no baby, I'd expect them to be frantically refusing to even entertain the suggestion that people paid by the Crown be stationed in their home 24 hours a day. (See Diana) The lax appearance of the men in that last pap walk could be explained any number of ways, in my mind, but I won't bore you and everyone else with my theories, other than to say if Meg called the paps in, the RPOs likely knew they were there as well.

Something will have to give soon about Archie. Is it horrible of me to admit that I hope it's every bit as bad as you argue for?! If nothing else, it would assure Nutmeg's exile from the BRF.
Fairy Crocodile said…
Sorry people but I simply can't hold it. Just looked at the Charlatan Duchess site and saw a black and white pic from the Sussex IG showing Harry having some sort of drug-induced fit of laughter with his feet on the sofa. 👀The pose is indecent and he looks insane.

This is the "official" picture and they appear to think it is fine.

Well Your Majesty, if you think it is OK for them to lead your commonwealth trust I lose all remnants of respect for you.
Mimi said…
Fairy Crocodile, I.mentioned yesterday that the cape looked like a huge bib.
Royalfan said…
Oh, she has deliberately included that ridiculous picture of Harry, feet on coffee table, laughing like a pre-teen. This is just a part of her long range leave-him strategy. Creating a sad visual litany of her weak, immature husband before she walks away, leaving his family to pick up the pieces. Is there an Archie? Probably, but my inclination is that the RF has (control of) him somewhere. I hope for his sake that they never have to cede that control, but I truly worry that she holds some powerful blackmail cards in her arsenal. This war is far from over!
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Royalfan

Absolutely unbelievable. His feet not even on the table, he almost looks like he is about to have a gynecological examination with his knees apart and his feet in shoes on the sofa. Not on the table even!

the link
https://the-charlatan-duchess.tumblr.com/
Sandie said…
@holly: They think they are so woke and popular! I actually feel sorry for them because between the they have no real talent other than self-promotion.
Sandie said…
@Fairy Crocodile: 'Well Your Majesty, if you think it is OK for them to lead your commonwealth trust I lose all remnants of respect for you.'

The QCT has a huge team of very competent people leading it. Harry and Meghan are just hitching a ride for self-promotion, but they have no control over the money or the projects.
Henrietta said…
I think the number one reason HM and PC are being so indulgent with JH right now is because they know how close he is to the edge, especially if he did get temporarily sober over the holidays. MM may believe that fish story of some incredibly generous Russian oligarch letting them stay for as long as they want in his beautiful mansion, but you'd have to be an idiot to join her. Putin is getting briefed on everything going on there, I'm sure. But I think HM is too. Canadian military vessels don't just "happen" to remain right offshore from where recalcitrant royals are staying.

I think Harry is already in a death spiral, as pilots use the phrase, and I think the entire RF knows it. Either he or the marriage will be dead within two years (or less), and I wouldn't put it past MM to attempt to hasten the process as Hikari described. But everything will depend on how she attempts it. Drug overdose is the safest bet, but not anywhere where the police would do a real investigation. Anywhere in Africa would suffice.
Louise said…
Sandie said...
"@Fairy Crocodile: 'Well Your Majesty, if you think it is OK for them to lead your commonwealth trust I lose all remnants of respect for you.'

The QCT has a huge team of very competent people leading it. Harry and Meghan are just hitching a ride for self-promotion, but they have no control over the money or the projects."

They may have no control over the money or projects, but they do get to continue milking their Commonwealth role.

I agree with Fairy Crocodile that they needed to be cut right out like a diseased body part. I have felt this way since it was first announced that the would stay on as president and vice president. What credentials does that witch have regarding the Commonwealth? She didn't even apply for British citizenship.
Louise said…
That photo of Harried reminds me so much of the Yoko Ono /John Lennon photo where John is lying naked in the fetal position. Harried might be wearing a suit, but he looks equally infantile.

And what's with Markle? With that dress and that wig, she looks like she has become a Hassidic jewish woman.
Artemisia19 said…
Anyone see the article in TheSun about Harry and the fake phone interview?
KCM1212 said…
I wonder at the Markle family's silence, now that the "real" MM is being exposed and more stories emerging.

Especially with the missing Archie. They too have family rights. At least Thomas does. Why aren't they demanding to see him?

B P may be worried about dignity and mystique, but that ship has surely sailed for the Markles.

Has the RF bought their silence? The tabloids would certainly publish their comments. Thomas has made a few "I'm embarrassed for them remarks", but where are the "she's insane" stories that at least the siblings could flog? Thomas STILL thinks they are going to have some running-in-slow-motion reunion.

I don't get what she has that is keeping me this whole sordid mess from blowing sky-high. I'm pretty close to getting out the tin hat for powerful backers with her. If it turns out she could do all this as a minor actress with big brass balls, I may never recover.

I did love the scramble out of the church yesterday. Megs is desperate for Wills attention and approval. She would Love to trade up...getting the Alpha brother, hurting Kate and destroying the RF in the process.

@happy Days said

At least the waters off Malibu won’t have any sharks around when she’s there. They will steer clear of her as a professional courtesy.

Ha!!

Did I read somewhere that Malibu mansion is one if Kylie Jenners? Those Kardashians are looking better and better, eh, Megs? They'll be having sleepovers and braiding each others wigs before too long.
KCM1212 said…
@Artemisia19

That Sun thing is funny! I especially Love this word salad:

We operate in a way of inclusivity and we are focusing on community. And so we are completely separate from the majority of my family.”

WTAF?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11144268/prince-harry-megxit-hoaxers-greta-thunberg/


Louise said…
That photo of Markle in the orange dress also shows her with a round and bloated face. Someone here had the theory that her hat made her face look round... but it's obviously not the hat. Her nasolabial folds disappeared from one day to the next.
SirStinxAlot said…
So what happened today that M$H are overshadowing with the release of "a secret BP meeting" photos? M was wearing a hideous orange dress that was 3 sizes too big.
NeutralObserver said…
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CatEyes said…
@Artemesia19

Yes just read the article. Harry is wacko in getting pranked about thinking he was talking to Greta Thunberg and her father. He got taken 'hook, line and sinker', He goes on to make a lot of political comments about UK leaders (BOJO and Corbyn) and Trump. He is very insulting and wrong (in my environmental scientist opinion) when he insisted President Donald Trump had “blood on his hands” for ramping up coal production in the US.: Blood on his hands...what a wacko assessment (regardless of whether you like Trump or not). However I find it hilarious he could be so easily duped by two Russian pranksters. Hmmmm, living in a Russian's oligarch's mansion and now duped on the world stage by two Russians!

I have no doubt his opinion of Trump has been influenced by Meghan's vitriolic animosity towards our President. But his unabashed political comments do not bode well for him being a respectful member of the royal family toward world leaders.

https://www.the-sun.com/news/519895/prince-harry-tells-prank-greta-thunberg-that-extreme-action-is-needed-on-climate-change/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly
Louise said…
Charlatan Duchess has a good video of Smirkle climbing over chairs in order to get behind Kate and William in the procession on the way out of the church. She wanted to get there before Edward and Sophie, who should have been next base on heir seating assignment.
Ian's Girl said…
As long as the suit against the DM (?) is still ongoing, maybe none of the papers want to report on/publish anything that isn't directly related to official appearances/announcements?


Nutty Flavor said…
Just read the Harry “prank” interview in the Sun.

Harry now needs a visa if he is going to live and work in the USA. His statements about Trump could be problematic.

I doubt Trump will block him, but I doubt he’ll offer any special treatment either, which he might have otherwise done as a favor to the Queen.
I have read so much speculation about Archie. But who was the baby they introduced to Desmond Tutu in South Africa? The kid sure looked a lot like Thomas Markle to me, and he had reddish hair. I would buy into the surrogacy theory more easily, though again, after the “birth” Meghan looked like a woman who had carried a child—she was zaftig, had bigger boobs, and had a sort of glow about her that would have been hard to fake (unlike her manically grinning appearances over the last week).

The one rumor I would be most interested in having confirmed or denied definitively, is the one regarding Harry and Meghan fighting at Admiralty House in Australia during their tour. Reportedly the argument was about her pregnancy.
Fairy Crocodile said…
Ficus cripus.

That "interview" by Russian pranksters should be the last nail into a coffin of Harry's reputation.

They got the number for the mansion they are staying in. They were able to call and get through. Somebody let them have fun with Harry and wipe the floor with him. People know he is half-wit and easy to manipulate.

Harry sounds insane. He claims to be "completely separate" from most of his family. He claims the media is "afraid of them". He claims he found a "strong wife".

He claims due to his military service (protected, cocooned and watched 24 hours) he can live the normal life "which is better to protect my son".

But the bomb is his statement that Trump "has blood on his hands" and "is afraid of Greta".

Harry is f***ing toast after this. He may wave good bye to his American paradise if Trump wins.
Nutty Flavor said…
Agreed, that interview shows Harry to be a complete moron.

So I would love to see an international global law that prevents presidents from cutting down huge forests, the lungs of our earth, and stops them from going back in time to fuel and market that is long gone.

What? This man’s family works in statecraft, he supposedly works in statecraft, yet he doesn’t know there’s no such thing as an “international global law”?

Also, if he has a problem with coal, he needs to talk to China, which is responsible for 46% of world coal production and 49% of world coal consumption. India is second at 12%. The US is a distant third. Shouldn’t a man who cares about the environment know this?
Sandie said…
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11144268/prince-harry-megxit-hoaxers-greta-thunberg/

Wow, that prank call is explosive! I don't think Harry is ever going back to his family. (I disagree with my favourite tarot reader on this ... she agrees that he will not leave her, but I don't think she will leave him as he is perfect fuel for a malignant narcissist.)

1. Him and Meghan do not have a direction or a plan but they do have a lot of hubris and grandiose ambitions of changing the world.

2. I disagree with Dan Wootton. This is Harry being led by and brainwashed by Meghan and her ambition. He is a child who has been led astray and instead of using the platform he had in a responsible and rational way, she encouraged him to burn bridges. The BRF is his family and she has persuaded him to trash them and turn his back on them, just as she did with her family.

3. Did he know that his remarks about Boris Johnson had been outed and that was why he snubbed him at the Commonwealth event (embarrassment at coming face-to-face with him)?

4. 'We operate in a way of inclusivity and we are focusing on community. And so we are completely separate from the majority of my family.' Is he saying that his family are not inclusive and do not focus on community? What a load of rubbish! Had William and Kate heard/read this fake call and what Harry had said and that was the reason why they were offish with the Harkles in the Abbey? I sensed something had happened.
Fairy Crocodile said…
Re Boris Johnson.

A member of the royal family, in line to the succession, gives instructions to a controversial far left activist on how to work with the British prime minister. Oh MY.

If Queen doesn't do anything after this I am freaking done with the royal family. Blooming moth eaten hereditary antique not fit to face challenges of the modern world. Ostriches hiding heads in the sand.

Sorry Wills. Your inheritance is hugely damaged by your brain dead brother.
MeliticusBee said…
@louise
a real video? I can't find it...but I don't really "get" how tumblr works.
Sandie said…
There is supposedly a second call, recorded just over three weeks later. Can't wait to find out what he said in that one.
CatEyes said…
To prove Harry is an idiot and doesn't know what he is talking about, Coal usage in the US is declining and only 24% was used for electrification while in Canada 71% of coal is used for electrification. We also are noted for using Nuclear and increased solar power for electrification, while historically using water driven sources. Sure we may use more coal but we are responding to lessen our dependence on coal. In my state of Texas we have now what is believed to be the largest deposit of natural gas in the world, the Permian basin. So natural gas can be used in increasing quantities.

To combat climate change we need to have less polluting engines from cars to massive turbines used in industry. But Harry is a simpleton and can only talk in simple terms on environmental causes of pollution and wants us to sadly change our airline habits...what a joke almost meaningless technique, a joke just like him and Meghan how appropriate.

The 'Woke Joke' Couple. Hereafter I will label them... WKx2
Nutty Flavor said…
So then Harry goes on about

I think what you need to do is make real big changes that actually shock people, and it’s that shock factor that wakes people up... I think people need to be woken up and the only way to wake people up from what effectively is a consciousness crisis is, I think, you need to be doing extreme things...Something really drastic needs to happen.

Crikey, he really is like his Uncle David, aka Edward VIII, aka Mr. Wallis Simpson. David also liked extreme political movements, like the one that ran Germany from 1923-1945. David also liked “something drastic”, which is why he encouraged the Nazis to continue bombing his countrymen to break their spirit.

Easy for David and Harry to endorse “something drastic” when they’re confident that they personally won’t be paying the price.

This is bad.
Louise said…
MeliticusBee: My mistake. It was "Megxit Twitter", not Charlatan Duchess

Google "Megxit Twitter". Once there, hit "videos". Scroll down. Look for the video post from "Sailing Simon".

You don't need a Twitter account. (She's not really climbing over chairs.. more like between chairs.. but clearly not the way that she is meant to exit as Harry goes around the bank of chairs, like a normal person.)
Fairy Crocodile said…
@CatEyes.

I used to work for a major energy company and happened to be at a presentation on energy sources. The biggest revelation to me was existence of high pressure spray technology which allows burning pulverized coal at extremely high temperatures, resulting in almost clean burn.

It is green lobby that impedes application of this technology. So what we burn instead? Flipping trees! We burn trees because morons like Harry live in the 19th century and think coal can't be burned cleanly.
CatEyes said…
Whoops typo...should be 'WJx2' for Woke/Joke Couple

He should be finished after this. The Queen should yank their titles before he causes an international embarrassment to the BRF. I don't think he will sour political relations because he is so ignorant and leaders will consider the source. I bet even Prince Chares who is environmentally conscious is horrified at Harry's idiocy and wish he would just STFU.
Fairy Crocodile said…
Nutty, yes he is calling a left activist to do something extreme. This is an open call for environmental terrorism.

He IS insane.
Nutty Flavor said…

Harry also insulted William’s “Earthshot” prize for environmental ideas:


And small steps or giving out prizes doesn’t make any difference these days.
Sandie said…
Meghan Markle is known for her style, and her love of pricey international designers. The Office for National Statistics states the average annual salary in the UK in 2019 was around £30,420 a year. Meghan’s looks for her public events while in the UK for her last duties as a working member of the Royal Family cost more than that at £32,220. How does this huge figure break down?

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/style/1253421/meghan-markle-news-latest-dress-outfit-duchess-of-sussex-leave-uk

Wow! For just over a week? And how many more outfits have we not seen because they were secret engagements (still to be released on their IG)? I wonder if she sent the bills to Charles?
Nutty Flavor said…
@Fairy Crocodile, yes, that was exactly my takeaway as well.

Ironic that he said this before the extent of the Corona Virus impact was known.
Louise said…
Cat Eyes: Canada does not produce 71% of it's electricity from coal. Only 9% of our electricity is produced from coal.

https://www.nrcan.gc.ca/science-data/data-analysis/energy-data-analysis/energy-facts/coal-facts/20071
Louise said…
If this telephone call with Harry is real, it is hugely damaging.

Has it been confirmed that it was him?
Artemisia19 said…
So this is what bankers are paying millions for? Groundbreaking. He's such a thought leader.
SwampWoman said…
I think what you need to do is make real big changes that actually shock people, and it’s that shock factor that wakes people up... I think people need to be woken up and the only way to wake people up from what effectively is a consciousness crisis is, I think, you need to be doing extreme things...Something really drastic needs to happen.

Wait, what? He's telling a teenage autistic girl that she needs to encourage people to commit vandalism at best, ecoterrorism at worst?
Louise said…
Artemisia: "So this is what bankers are paying millions for? Groundbreaking. He's such a thought leader. "

Hahaha.
Nutty Flavor said…
If Harry is advocating “extreme things”, I wonder if the intelligence services will have to monitor him.

Also, no wonder he is never seen near the Cambridge kids.
CatEyes said…
@Fairy Crocodile

That is in part what I was alluding to...Best Available Control Technology. Using the best methods to make the process cleaner. Improved engines and improved methodologies depending on the fuel and application. You cite one such great process.

Harry is too stupid to look at environmental clean methods from an Engineering viewpoint. He reminds me of a hippie'Tree Hugger' who were known to chain themselves to trees so corporations couldn't log (or the more sinister method of inserting metal into the trees so they could not be safely processed.) We now harvest and replant trees.

Harry will be the equivalent of a modern day Tree hugger with no viable solution for our climate change situation. He might as well start using candles, and pull the plug on his electrical use and scale back his consumerism because of the electricity used in producing his goods; live like the Amish.

Even in the UK coal usage fell from 40% in 2012 to only 6.7% in 2017, a dramatic decrease. He needs to as Nutty says, look at China and India coal usage; and have the nerve to tell the President of China "he has blood on his hands" lol. He doesn't have the balls to do that!! (because Meg took them).
CatEyes said…
@Louise
Well I guess I got another statistic. I thought it was kind high since I imagine you have a lot of hydroelectric power.
Artemisia19 said…
@Cat Eyes Thanks for that energy information. I didn't know some of those details.

Harry is just done. He makes no sense. And this is just going to bring up their love of private jets again. I think this screw up is going to cost him a month's worth of sex.
Louise said…
Nutty: I didn't perceive Harry as advocating extremism in the sense of eco terrorism.

He was just talking Markle gobbledygook.

His remarks about Boris Johnson were benign. He referred to him as a "good man".

He seems completely delusional about how his wife has beaten the tabloids. D..e..l..u..s..i..o..n..a..l.

What I would like to know is how the pranksters obtained his telephone number.
Artemisia19 said…
@nutty flavor

Exactly, what exactly is he advocating? What kind of dramatic action? He needs to be careful with his language.
Nutty Flavor said…
About those private jets...

Harry also defended himself and wife Meghan, 38, after they were criticised by the media for using a private jet to go on holiday while lecturing the world about pollution.

And he insisted the couple fly less often than “most people”.

He said: “It’s amazing. We get accused by them for having to use a plane that was used simply to get away from them and not be followed for a family break. Unfortunately there is very few alternatives.

“We have to fly on commercial planes all over the world. Nowhere near as much as most people who do it for a night or weekends.

“We do official overseas visits to Commonwealth countries in support of my grandmother and we have to get there and have to fly, but it is by commercial flights, and occasionally we have to fly privately.”


Most people?
Artemisia19 said…
@Louise

This might be a stretch but what is the name of the Russian owner of that house in Vancouver?
Louise said…
Cat Eyes: Yes, we are fortunate to have a lot of hydro electricity in Canada. Not every country has this luxury, so we shouldn't be smug. It was just our geographical luck.

We actually export hydro electricity to New York and other states in the North East USA.
DesignDoctor said…
Not even 15 minutes into MM Escaping the Castle and the entire message they are sending is that the Brits and the BRF is racist and that MM is "uppity" for wanting to express her views. "She really must love Harry to put up with all the flack."

Please. The grifter is after his money and status to make a global name for herself!
CatEyes said…
@Louise

In Canada alone, 30% of coal is used for coking coal in order to shape iron and 71% is used for Thermal purposes i.e. electricity and heat.

https://coalfacts.weebly.com/-coal-usage-in-canada.html

I don't see a date for this but indirectly I am assuming it was newer than 2008.. So a lot could have changed as noted in my statistic for the UK which saw a dramatic decrease in only 5 years. Thanks for your statistic and correction!

Artemisia19 said…
He makes it seem like the press was continuously hounding them. Does he not recall that obscene baby shower in NY? What planet is he on?
Fairy Crocodile said…
Imagine a headline:

"Prince Harry: "The Word is Led by Sick People""

Here we go. He threw a piece of manure not only at Trump.

Truly, there is nothing more dangerous in the world than idiot on a mission.
Louise said…
Artemisia: I also noted that Russian connection with the home owner.

We have a lot of Russian immigrants in Canada. For all we know, it might have been one of their friends who installed the telephone line.

Or maybe it was a Trump Russian connection. That would be very, very funny.
CatEyes said…
@Loiuse

Ha! Ha! Yeah, you probably stole our Niagra Falls hydro and sold it back to us! LOL

Marie said…
Also, forests aren't the lungs of the earth, despite what was circulating on social media during the Amazonian fires last year. Harry seems to get his soundbytes and science education from Twitter or Instagram or whatever. Phytoplankton in the ocean create about half of the earth's oxygen sources.

I'm a liberal and agree that more needs to be done, but poverty and wealth inequality, in my opinion, do more to blockade environmental initiatives. You can't convince a politician to go green when their constituents are largely employed in an industry like coal or off-shore rigging and have precious little ability and desire to retrain given their age or familial situation, let alone for jobs that may pay less. You can't convince the lower middle class to go by train to Bruges or Brittany to enjoy some quirky cafe and special local pastry if they only get one holiday a year and want to fly to see the big tourist areas like Paris or Venice or some club in Mallorca. Less consumption of stupid consumer goods would be wonderful, but that level of enlightenment is rare to be found in anyone, whether a single mum trying to bring happiness to her kids via objects or a wealthy woman with a closet full of shoes and clothing, more than she would ever need in a lifetime. The irony that Meghan's friend MIshoo manufactures her clothes in Hong Kong so she can squeeze out more profit, ignoring the effect of cargo ships, polyester in water cycles, and cotton on the environment.

Although he complains about the status-quo, I don't see Harry or Meghan doing anything different than what is always done - celebrities living with a massive environmental footprint through their opulence or from making a living selling clothing/fashion label and then making more money and raising their profile via campaigning for others to be eco-conscious. Oh the hypocrisy.
Crumpet said…
Well, Hello Nutties!

And the nuttiest nutty today is Harry. I saw the Harry on the couch picture, which makes him look silly and obviously released by MM on purpose...especially now. And now the prank call with Harry. A court jester who takes himself seriously is a fool. I am sure the press must have given a heads up to the RF before the article, perhaps this was the reason for the nasty stares and behavior yesterday at the Commonwealth Service. Will Harry now be joining Extinction Rebellion protests in the UK now? Perhaps he will glue himself to the front gates of Buck Palace.

I am surprised Megs let him answer the phone, but what else is there to do in the backwoods? Perhaps, Megs is changing the narrative, the toxic family is gone, perhaps it is time to show how toxic Harry is?
Fairy Crocodile said…
@Crumpet

And Harry just lit up a cord under more than 60 years of Lizzy on the throne.

Calling world leaders sick and calling for "something drastic and extreme to be done". Great- grandkid of the British Queen! Son and brother to two future monarchs!

I am so disgusted I will go and vomit. Excuse me.
Royalfan said…
Oh my, that phone call. I have now picked myself up off the floor. As The Princess Royal once said on an unrelated topic: “It just beggars belief!” Am now perusing the DM comments. Priceless.
Louise said…
Ian's girl: Actually, what you said is almost correct. We do use 51% (not 71%) of our coal for generating electricity and 49% for making steel and cement.

However, we don't produce that much coal to begin with and we export a little more than half of what we produce. That means that in the end we are not using much coal generated electricity.

The link from National Resources Canada that I provided earlier has all the data with comparisons t other countries regarding coal production and export/import.
Artemisia19 said…
@Louise

It's a funny coincidence, right? He's just a moron and she has no shame.
CookieShark said…
Comments on the Danja zone (I know, I know) are that she was wearing a wire more than once on this trip, that's why she wore capes.
JHanoi said…
Ugh. I bet that fake greta interview wouldn’t have happened if he were still under the BRF protection.

On the other hand i seriously doubt JH knows, understands, or even cares how it comes across.
He truly believes everything he’s said and is proud of it.
He’s living in the Harkle bubble, a life of extreme luxury, an absolute elitist, with no concept of the commoners, or community he thinks he’s relating too.
I really think the queen, PC and cambridges understand the countryfolk, average citizen more than he does.
He’ll fit right into the extreme CA liberal elitist circles, maybe even the university terrorist circles.
Ian's Girl said…
@Louise, I deleted my comment for fear of making things political, but thank you for the info!

I had no idea coal could be used for making cement, and my grandfather was a West Virginia coal miner!
CatEyes said…
@Swamp Woman
Harry quote:
"I think what you need to do is make real big changes that actually shock people, and it’s that shock factor that wakes people up... I think people need to be woken up and the only way to wake people up from what effectively is a consciousness crisis is, I think, you need to be doing extreme things...Something really drastic needs to happen."

@Fairy Crocodile said...
>>>Truly, there is nothing more dangerous in the world than idiot on a mission.<<<

I think Harry is too stupid and wimpy to do anything personally but words can be dangerous. He is saying very inflammatory things and can cause political discord and at the very least mat cause headaches for the BRF. Harry may inflame unstable eco-warriors to do something dramatic and dangerous. Remember when the electricity went off for an extended period in Times Square and the surrounding area of NYC. At the time of the NYC incident one of the initial fears was that it was an act of terrorism. Who's to say some ecoterrorist might not try something untoward to bring attention to our vast use of electricity.

Harry is being irresponsible at best. Luckily he is looking though more stupid than anything else, and petty, even unbalance in his opinion about Trump. I now wish Trump would put him under surveillance if he comes into the US. Can you imagine if Meghan said The Queen has blood on her hands about people in the UK being killed for racial motives. It would not be acceptable. Precisely, Harry just proved why the royals shouldn't make political statements (and I don't care he is not a 'working' royal, he is still a Prince with a titles).

Ian's Girl said…
The Queen herself was pranked, and Diana, too. I don't blame him for falling for it, but I'm guessing that these two prankers are not the only one's who have access to the Sussex's private information like telephone numbers. Stupid move to let a Russian billionaire house you.
Nutty Flavor said…
The problem is that Harry lacks the street smarts to know when he’s being tricked or used.

This won’t be the last time that happens.
Ozmanda said…
My brief thoughts (I say brief but lets see how that goes!)

There is a better chance for me to win Eurovision then there is those two will hide away from the spotlight. In forensic psychology there is a term called "Upward social comparison". This essentially is when people compare themselves to people who they perceive as being on their "level". As such their social tolerance differs - essentially if you are accustomed to being "famous" or on a particular social standing, your satisfaction with life's rewards will not satisfy them appropriately until they reach that limit.

Both Sparkles and Haz have ongoing expectations they are uber famous, well know, wealthy and exist on a certain level, as such it will be almost impossible for them to be away from the spotlight. I also think it is time we(me) giving haz a pass with his actions - if you look back he has a long history of connecting himself with Hollywood "stars" so I cant help but feel he thought this whole thing was a way to get into that club.

As others said, I agree that Archie is going to be their next card to play - I absolutely believe they kept him away from the cameras because they feel the attention will be more intense and as such they can get more from showing him.

It is also pretty easy to see the actions of the sugars - just look for comments anywhere that praises Sparkles and at the same time has a dig at Kate. Her obsession with Kate is weird.
Louise said…
Cat Eyes: I am not very familiar with the situation of electricity from Niagara Falls which is on the Ontario/US border. However, there is an interesting back story to some of the electricity that HydroQuebec sells to the US and its origins in Churchill Falls in Newfoundland/Labrador.

Completely off topic, but Google Churchill Falls Quebec Newfoundland agreement if you are interested.
SwampWoman said…
@Ozmanda: It is also pretty easy to see the actions of the sugars - just look for comments anywhere that praises Sparkles and at the same time has a dig at Kate. Her obsession with Kate is weird.

Is she far enough out of touch with reality to think that, were Kate suddenly out of the way, that she would be able to step in?
Louise said…
Ian's Girl: The prank call to Queen Elizabeth came from a guy in Quebec, Pierre Brassard, pretending to be former Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien.

He used to be a member of a comedy troop that I knew. It was a long time ago, but either he got me to pull a prank on someone in the troop or someone in the troop got me to pull a prank on him. It was at least 20 years ago. Can't remember.
Ian's Girl said…
Louise, that is such a great story!

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