A brief snapshot: Katy Perry, in a sequined floor-length mermaid gown with a cape made from the American flag, in Iowa to support Hillary Clinton in 2015.
Perry looked more than a little out of place performing outdoors in the daytime, surrounded by modestly-dressed civilians in the mostly agricultural state.
Trump ended up winning Iowa 51.2% to 41.7%; Hillary's performance was the worst by a Democrat in the state since 1980.
Katy's glamorous presence was apparently not a plus.
A different approach
Another brief snapshot: George Clooney, then at the peak of his career, meets with Barack Obama in 2008 just as the future president's campaign was beginning to catch fire.
"I told him I'd do whatever it takes to get him elected," Clooney told the press, "including staying the hell away from him if that was what he needed."
George was apparently smarter than Katy, and Obama won his election easily.
Joe and Kamala and Meghan and Harry
Let's return to the present, when Meghan Markle, Duchess of Sussex, has make her electoral preferences clear.
Her recent low-resolution video, apparently made on an iPhone 3, urged women to vote for "the change we all need and deserve" was seen as a tacit endorsement of Joe Biden and his vice-presidential nominee, Kamala Harris.
Meghan went suggest that those who didn't vote to do so were "part of the problem. If you're complacent, you're complicit."
(Opponents of President Donald Trump frequently use the word "complicit" for anyone who works with Trump, suggesting that they are "complicit" in his misdeeds.)
But does Meghan really have the ability to move any votes?
Meg the persuader
One of the most important things you learn when you study communications and journalism is that it's not about what you say - it's about the effect your words have on the viewer, listener, or reader.
If that individual is, say, an Iowa farmer wondering why a woman in a sequined dress and a flag cape is performing in a parking lot on a Sunday afternoon at a time most people would rather be watching football, the effect may be negative on her chosen candidate.
And Katy Perry is, at least, generally well-liked.
Compare her case to Meghan, a runaway member of the British royal family, unemployed and couchsurfing, but strangely able to buy a luxury mansion from a mysterious Russian oligarch.
A woman with an increasingly odd head of hair, a meek and cowering husband, and a very small fan club.
Is Meghan really the type of person whom Americans identify with, someone who can convince them to vote and vote as she suggests?
Or will she have a negative effect on her chosen candidate?
Biden has other, better celebrities on his side
The Biden-Harris team already has the endorsement of much more popular celebrities.
Taylor Swift, Lebron James, and John Legend have shared their support for the Democratic candidate. So have Billie Eilish and Steph and Ayesha Curry.
Cardi B, one of the hottest celebrities around whatever you think of her, even did
an interview with Biden last week - if you can call it an interview, since Cardi does all the talking.
The last thing Biden really needs is another celebrity endorsement - in fact, so many celebrity endorsements run the risk of making him look like the candidate of the glitterati as opposed to the common man, common woman, or common non-binary individual.
The person who really benefits
If anyone benefits from Meg's political activism, it is her own brand, or what she hopes to make into her own brand - woke celebrity ex-Royal.
A (bejeweled) hand extended to help women, minorities, and dogs, at least until the dogs prove too bothersome and have to be left behind somewhere near Toronto.
Do you think Meg's activism will help the Biden/Harris ticket, or the causes she claims to support?
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The former head of Charles’ charities in the U.S., Robert Higdon, is quoted as saying of Camilla: “For her to get up in the morning and survive until nightfall is a major effort.” (She was reported to be “the laziest woman to have been born in England in the 20th century” by another source.)
Higdon adds, “It was even hard for her to get out of bed. She tries her best to do nothing during the day. It was horrible, a disaster.'”
I’m married to a BRILLIANT, difficult man. Truly truly BRILLIANT who has a natural talent and is considered one of the best at what he does. I have told him, “when you have that stroke, go to the light.” (Because he could never live in a compromised state).
I mean, this is a man who goes until he literally passes out. I have stopped getting up at 4 am to look for him and put him to bed. I have found him passed out in his office, sitting upright but hunched over with his head resting on a book, etc. I have stopped thinking he was dead a while ago. I have started to stop looking for him and just leave him be.
Camilla has it right!
I think her name or nickname was Kanga. Yes, I read/heard about her too, I did hear she fabricated a lot of the story though...so difficult to know how much he meant to him, or were they just friends. ;o)
At 18, I already had my political opinions and tendencies, it was the beginning for me, it's true, but I wouldn't have influenced my vote based on the opinions of an actress, an actor, a singer, a musician I was a fan of.
Meghan seems to think that her celebrity gives her great power over the thoughts of others.
Today, I believe that the big loser in the soap opera "Harry and Meghan" is Harry. Either he is a weak man or he is just like his wife. Either way, he no longer gives a good image of himself.
There is a French-speaking website "www.noblesseet royautés.com" whose aim is to publish information about monarchies. There are already almost no more articles on Harry and Meghan. The owner of the site believes that they are no longer part of the British royal family. The last article about them (the purchase of their modest home) was mostly commented on negatively, whereas in 2017, 2018, the same people had glowing comments about the couple.
( As on Nutty's blog, there are some slightly aggressive people posting comments on this French site. Posts bordering on rude, it's regrettable)
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Part of the issue is: HM is extraordinary and has set the bar so high that no one in the next probably 200 years will come close to her achievements, work ethic, duty, energy etc.
Little girls and their dreams of happily ever after....
Why Charles and Camilla are now living such separate lives
By RICHARD KAY and GEOFFREY LEVY FOR MAILONLINE
UPDATED: 11:10 EDT, 29 June 2010
When the Duchess of Cornwall left Scotland and travelled south with a broken leg in plaster the other week, she chose to recuperate not at Highgrove, the marital home she shares with the Prince of Wales, but at Raymill House, her own home 17 miles away.
Three years ago, when she left hospital after a hysterectomy, she did exactly the same thing.
It could be that after such trauma Camilla prefers to lick her wounds in private. Have a tipple every hour on the hour. After all, "It's always five o'clock somewhere"
Legit or semi-legit in my book.
With a broken leg I would not want solicitous palace servants slobbering all over me, no matter how nice and long loyal to HM and the RF they have been.
There is plenty of good TV in England to watch as you wait out broken legs and hysterectomies
Puds, I agree. Their marriage is likely fine. I don’t know if she wants it, but I do believe Camilla has earned the right to be queen and not consort.
I think Meghan is nothing in this election. Sure, get as many people to register to vote and to vote... nothing wrong with that encouragement. I think she has zero influence on the election.
Yes! That’s right, I remember what she looked like. Yes sadly she died and I don’t think she was that old either.
ROFL, NO! (Who even talks like that outside of a novel?) I understand it extremely well. When I am ill, I just want to be LEFT ALONE. Husband is CONSTANTLY in and out, wondering if I need tea, water, or something from a restaurant, or to have my pillows plumped, or to sit up, or to lie down flat, or to have him turn on TV and watch it in there with me, whether he should call an ambulance, I really need to eat, he thinks I'm dehydrated, he's going to check my blood pressure and my pulse, and this is ALL MY FAULT because if I took care of myself, I would not be ill. I look at Charles, and I can see him being just like that.
I just don't want husband to contract anything that I might have because he turns into the world's biggest baby. He actually RINGS A BEDSIDE BELL so that I can bring him tea, or water, or orange juice, or get him food, no that isn't good enough, he wanted scrambled eggs, no, they don't have jalapenos, cook more eggs with jalapenos and NO CHEESE, extra onions, the toast is too light, toast it again, the toast is too dark, make more. He generally recovers right before I start chasing him through the house with a cast iron skillet screaming "Hammer time!"
Oh, Puds, I forgot to agree that I really suspect HM helped them buy the house, or gave them all in some kind of way to allow them to buy it.
Here's the Google translation of a 20 August 2020 piece:
Several times postponed due to viruses, the release of the new James Bond film will take place in London on November 12 in the presence of Queen Elizabeth. Everyone remembers the complicity of the sovereign with Daniel Craig at the time of the London Olympics. Another element certainly helped convince Her Majesty to be present. The title of the new opus “Death can wait”
Another of Her Majesty's `messages'?
I've been described that way, too -- though not as "the laziest girl/woman" in my country! -- and it was during a time when I was being pressured to do a lot of things that I didn't want to do. So I have some sympathy for Camilla here. And @Tatty is right that Camilla's age should be factored in, too: Anyone else would have been allowed to retire long before today!
Re: Camilla as "lazy"
Makes me lazy, too.
How very interesting!
Average UK life expectancy can be calculated here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthandlifeexpectancies/articles/lifeexpectancycalculator/2019-06-07
NB based on older figures, not allowing for Covid 19. It takes a very positive view - no suggestion of the probability of one pegging out sooner, rather than later.
Even before the virus, he seemed to be ageing fast. Each of his parents clearly had a `good hand' of genes for longevity but that's no guarantee that he didn't inherited some less favourable ones from each of them, just enough to swing the balance. We don't know either what effect the virus may have had.
I might play around with the estimates, to see if I can get some insights.
I will remain a person who thinks such.
Btw, my 1997 self would NEVER have believed my 2020 self would not only defend Camilla, but like her and would like to see her with the title of queen. My how things have changed.
Count me in, too!
Thanks to everyone who has corrected me or provided additional information on Charles and Camilla. But now I'm reminded of the original reason I brought them up. In the same way people's sentiments toward Camilla have changed since the early 90s, could they also change toward Harry and Meghan, given enough time? What if this is the long game that someone in the palace (whether it's Charles, or as some are speculating, actually Elizabeth herself) is playing?
I do think HM insisted on the marriage, given Charles' status in life, and I think Camilla and Charles both realized how horrible it would look if they "broke up" after effectively being the ruin of his marriage to Diana, and many people thinking she'd still be alive if not for the affair. It would have been awful.
I have always liked Camilla; certainly didn't approve of the affair, but I could see why he liked her, that twinkle in her eye has always been there! I never understood why Diana didn't have enough pride to suck it up and not let the entire world see she was upset. I understand her being upset, of course, but I'd have chewed my own heart out before I'd give anyone the satisfaction of knowing they'd hurt me like that.
I'm glad Cam has a bolthole. She was smart to retain as much as she could of her former life. I suspect Charles has a discreet lady or two to keep him company while she's away. I don't doubt the C & C love each other deeply, but it doesn't mean you have to be joined at the hip.
With Charles and Camilla , we really don’t know what the reaction will be if and when he becomes King. I think it’s a different ball game with Harry and Megsy. Harry isn’t destined to be King, and he’s basically turned his back on his family, country and everything he had.
Pandora’s box has been opened... I find it hard to believe they will be forgiven....we might not even have a monarchy in years to come....
Oh, Puds, I forgot to agree that I really suspect HM helped them buy the house, or gave them all in some kind of way to allow them to buy it.
*sigh* I SO wanted them to owe money to Russian criminals so that they would once in their lives have to actually pay for something. My mellow has been harshed. I shall have to put on the tall boots and go out and attempt to do some yard work now.
I find it hard to estimate male ages as people always seem surprised when they discover he's significantly older than he looks, likewise most of my friends' husbands.
We still might be astonished at the turn of events though.
I don't know. I think Diana had enough self-destructive tendencies that she may have flamed out, married or not. She seems to have had to have adoration at every moment of the day and was an emotional wreck if somebody said something less than adoring like "Darling, I REALLY have to go to work now."
Did I read that HM ordered them to marry because Charles wanted Camilla to accompany him on official visits, and HM didn't think that should happen if they weren't married? Both of them would have been happy to keep their companionship as it was, I believe, but I think Charles may depend on her more for emotional support than she depends on Charles, if I'm expressing myself clearly.
We might feel the effect of the hurricane here by getting some needed rain. It is sorely needed so maybe I can forgo watering as the grass has turned brown mostly and looks the worse I have ever seen it. I was going to plant a tree but between the heat and the lack of rain I thought better of it. Maybe later in the year when I take a trip to Tyler where they have an abundance of plant nurseys, Even my brother, whose gardening is not his thing, Physics and the Bible is, knows how much I love plants/gardening was indulgent last trip down there and even spotted a few and pointed them out so I could stop, We did at one and for fun I asked how much a huge Palm tree cost (as having lived in Calif. I do have a slight interest in them), woah #1,500 but it was actually a steal. Am thinking about taking a trip out west, but can;t ride in style with an expensive RV like tatty has, what with a triple slide-out. Oh wait I want to add:
Not surprised about the marriage between Charles and Camilla.
Even before the virus, he seemed to be ageing fast. Each of his parents clearly had a `good hand' of genes for longevity but that's no guarantee that he didn't inherited some less favourable ones from each of them, just enough to swing the balance. We don't know either what effect the virus may have had.
Charles does look more than 2 years older than Princess Anne, IMO. Do you think that when COPD takes Camilla (and it will), that he will be able to recover from the blow? So long-term couples do not.
I haven't any siblings.
Dad got to 85, nearer 86, Mum to 91 (she died a few weeks ahead of Diana). One of her sisters got to 94, another died much earlier.
Neither set of grandparents did particularly well, tho' I think 2 got their 3 score +10. Dad's mother died when at 36 (in 1900 - probably thanks to a clot after a hysterectomy). Two great grandmothers did extremely well - 1832-1916 and 1835-1930, as far as I can make out! Both born in the reign of Wm IV.
I like to think I'm doing quite well - a GP last week almost apologised for having to refer me to a geriatrician (I need to see a generalist). I chuckled - he can't have looked at my DoB.
My parents approach to child-rearing must have been affected by their early 20thC upbringing, plus the Behaviourist theories of the 1930s, which made it tough at times.
Old age isn't for wimps, I've decided.
Charles & Camilla (your post came up when I was writing previous comment - didn't see it until I refreshed page.)
Yes, plenty of people die within a year of their spouses, don't they? Whether separate lives make any difference - I don't know.
(@ Holly?)As for us not knowing what goes on within a marriage, a counsellor once commented to me that many couples themselves haven't a clue what's really going on. The Harkles could be such a case.
I think Camilla and Charles both realized how horrible it would look if they "broke up" after effectively being the ruin of his marriage to Diana, and many people thinking she'd still be alive if not for the affair. It would have been awful.
I may be in the minority here, but I think any time after Charles and Diana's divorce would have been perfect for Charles and Camilla to break up. That they kept going even after Diana died gave me the impression that they frankly didn't care whom they hurt. Leaving Charles then wouldn't have rehabilitated Camilla's reputation at all, but it would have shown that she felt some remorse.
It's that whole attitude of wanting what they want, getting it even after they've behaved badly, and pulling good PR out of seemingly nowhere, etc. that I see reflected in the "long game" of waiting out the Harkles. And I think Charles really wants Harry (not necessarily also Meghan) on the balcony with him at a future Trooping.
Or he could get hit by a bus tomorrow. We just don’t know.
sorry to harsh you high, swamp. I too am going back out to garden. I haven’t actually spoken to my plants yet, but I think I may give them a pep talk about the upcoming Laura storm. “Dig your feet in lads and ladies, remain upright and give it your all!” 😅
As for us not knowing what goes on within a marriage, a counsellor once commented to me that many couples themselves haven't a clue what's really going on. The Harkles could be such a case.
Perfect and very true!
It seems that Camilla and Charles' best friend is a bottle.
I personally think they are quite selfish, both had to have been to had an affair for so long and causing distress to so many. Agree, she would have left Charles if she really wanted to. I think her ex husband remarried well before she did....maybe she thought what the heck, I’ll stay, I don’t know, so many possible scenarios.
I do agree that Charles wants Harry back though....I can see that happening. What the British public’s reaction will be .....interesting, but not good I’m sure!
The only parallel with MM is 'voice in politics' and that's where it ends.
Meghan has no career she is furthering. She seems to have decided she wants to be IN politics. As an ENFJ, this is not shocking. They are hellbent on effecting Change wherever they go. Obama was an eloquent and accomplished ENFJ, prior to his presidency.
I have a friend like MM that is an ENFJ. She also attached herself to a cause without credentials. It hasn't gotten her far. Can't be a lazy and get Anywhere.
Charles and Camilla's drinking problem. Is that public knowledge in the UK? I'm in the U.S. and have never heard this before.
https://people.com/royals/queen-elizabeth-does-not-drink-wine/
I’m in the U.K., I know Charles appreciates expensive wines, but it doesn’t make him an alcoholic etc. I’ve personally never read nor heard either have a drinking problem, but I can’t and don’t read everything.
My husband and I really are pretty much are joined at the the hip, especially since retirement, but we often vacation separately. He has very little interest in international travel, and I absolutely love it. He will often go to visit family in California and Minnesota for weeks at a time. I enjoy the time to myself when he's gone, and also like the feeling of missing him, silly as that sounds. I am always thrilled to see him when he returns, but the time apart keeps things fresh for the both of us, I think.
I still get giddy when I know he's on his way home, and that's not too shabby after 30+ years of marriage.
Appreciate the response!
The whole thing is just like a gunpowder keg.
I do not view Harry and Megsy as royals any more but sure they will continue demanding attention and throwing tantrums when they are back.
It feels like a bolder precariously resting at the edge where a smallest push can just tip it over.
I am rather surprised at some of the comments re the above couple as I have been following their relationship since they first got married.
I don't really understand why articles/opinions from more than ten years ago should be so valid now - after all, a lot can happen in ten years.
I should like to point out one or two things that commenters may have missed:
Dale, Lady Tryon (Kanga) -Yes, she was one of Charles' alleged mistresses but things went very sour for her. I well remember a Sunday news article where her mental health was questioned as she was allegedly stalking PC and wouldn't accept that their relationship was over - being so jealous of Camilla didn't help and it was very upsetting for her family, especially her daughter when it all came out in the public domain.
Camilla - At the start of her marriage with PC she really did get some awfully bad press as people were blaming her for PD's death, hence the comments re being the laziest woman in Britain and her "drinking". I think you will find that she doesn't drink any more than the commenters on this blog, it's just a stick to beat her with. You know how it is, give a dog a bad name and it will stick.
On a personal level, I did not warm to Camilla at all in the beginning but have had to change my attitude over the past couple of years - even Wm and Harry admitted that she made their father happy so she can't be all bad. Plus the fact that she took both Catherine and Meghan under her wing and briefed them on how to deal with coming into the RF as commoners, given that she had suffered herself.
All in all, I think she is good for PC as she won't take any nonsense from him, especially when he behaves in a selfish or spoiled manner, and she may be the one to talk some sense into him re the Harkles which can't be bad.
I had wondered the same thing!
If I were a "man in grey," I'd be really sneaky for that one. Call in a favor from the biggest celebrity possible. Ask him/her to invite Meghan somewhere for a joint public appearance on a day that would make it impossible for her to attend the funeral. Or to ask Meghan to contribute to a project that would mean lots of publicity, but due to scheduling issues, they could only meet her on that day.
But even I can see that nothing but nothing could give Meghan the publicity fuel she craves like an internationally televised funeral would. Then there would have to some other sort of creative maneuvering to keep her from turning it into The Meghan Show.
Three years ago, when she left hospital after a hysterectomy, she did exactly the same thing."
To me this means that Camila feels most relaxed and safe in her own home and not at Highgrove with Charles. Her sanctuary is away from him. When I am under the weather, the most comforting place is my own bed. Maybe Highgrove has too many evidences of Diana's presence? Also, C & C conducted their romance in other people's homes, sneaking a night here and there. That excitement is probably missing when you share a home with that person. Where's the thrill when you get to see them sitting across the table for every meal? It seems to work for them anyway. While I'm not at the point of wanting to see her crowned as queen, I've certainly come a long way from the hatred I used to feel.
A royal aide said: "This is causing concern about the future. She goes off at least once a week or every 10 days to escape. Charles is worried and irritated and has spoken to her. But she thinks he is being unfair.
"He is used to getting his own way but Camilla feels that now, within reason, she is going to lead her own life. They are not talking about divorce, they are mature people. This is how they make their marriage work."
I've been hearing about this arrangement of theirs for probably 10 years now. I don't think they are conducting their lives together any differently than they have ever done. They had lots of together time in Scotland during quarantine at Birkhall. Perhaps Charles' health scare has brought them closer.
Aristocratic marriages look very different than middle class ones. For them, separate bedrooms, and when it can be managed, as it can in the Cornwalls' case--separate houses--are the rule rather than the exception. Makes it a lot easier to conduct affairs if one's spouse is in a completely different wing of the castle or a different castle altogether and perhaps weeks go by without seeing one another.
In the olden days of royal courts, if a consort wanted to see the sovereign, he/she requested an audience, just like everyone else, and sometimes the audience would be granted; sometimes the sovereign was otherwise occupied with affairs of state, or just affairs. Victoria might have been an exception; she seemed to make time for the Prince Consort without restriction.
I'm sure Chas and Camilla will carry on and do their duty for Britain. They both know that at their ages and the water under the bridge, not to mention Charles rapidly approaching coronation that they can't be seen to split up now. Apparently, another thing I keep reading is that the Queen herself pushed her son to make an honest woman out of his divorced mistress who had been the cause of so much chaos. They proposed to keep the status quo and the Queen wasn't having it. Not a good look for the future King.
Camilla is smart to have her own residence/safe zone where she can go to unwind and just be Grandma when the desire arises. If Charles predeceases her, she will definitely want somewhere to go which is not dependent on the Royal charity. But as this is her longstanding custom, and Charles is himself a very busy man, now more than ever, I feel like once again Chas is being thown to the wolves as the demanding basket case no one can live with. The RRs are trying to stir something up again since the Harkle Show has moved to America. Cam is doing her bit for the Firm and I have never seen them not looking happy together. 'Absence makes the heart grow fonder' as they say. I think some autonomy within a marriage is a good thing. Time apart recharges the batteries, sharpens the appreciation and gives the partners something to talk about when they come back together. Both can pursue individual hobbies, friends and groups the other has no interest in.
Maybe if the lower classes all had access to His n Hers wings or houses, there'd be a lot fewer divorces.
Although the circumstances were very different as JCMH was never King did not abdicate and was not exiled .However could the funeral of No g George V1 be an example of whst could happen at HMQ funeral? MM not be invited JH be treated in a similar way as an outsiders was the the Duke of Windsor? The Queen mother was probably beginthis could JH attend alone ?
Extract from The Funeral of King George VI
Richard Cavendish describes the King's funeral on February 15th, 1952.
Richard Cavendish | Published in History Today Volume 52 Issue 2 February 2002.
The King’ s elder brother and predecessor, the Duke of Windsor, arrived at Southampton on the 13th aboard the Queen Mary. He did not bring his duchess, who had not been invited, but he brought his grievances. The palace had been in no particular hurry to inform him of his brother’ s passing and he had first heard of it from journalists demanding a statement at the Waldorf Towers in New York, where he was seeing the winter through.
In London he stayed with his mother, the eighty-five-year-old Queen Mary at Marlborough House. ‘Mama as hard as nails but failing,’ he noted and reported to the Duchess that his reception by the family had been ‘entirely correct and dignified’. There was a nasty shock, however, when he was told that the allowance of £10,000 a year, which he had been receiving from the palace, had been a personal favour from the late King and would now cease. The Duchess wrote to him on the 15th, ‘I hope you have not taken the expensive trip to lose the £10,000 and to be insulted’ . She had heard that he would not be allowed to walk in uniform behind the coffin in uniform
As a person born and bred in the UK, and an avid follower of the BRF, I am completely amazed that people are so willing to believe that the RF are a collection of drink-soused weirdos.
This misinformation is usually put about by Diana fans who just can't admit that their idol was less than perfect and, in some ways, was the architect of her own downfall. They just won't accept that PC and the DoC are happy together, doing their own thing in their personal lives. No, they just have to try and pull them down with remarks that border on the libellous.
Either the above or they are just mindlessly repeating rumours put about to distract from certain other former royals. Either way, they have an axe to grind.
Yes, I have read the rumours but, on investigation, they usually first appear in trashy, scurrilous "rags" that like to call themselves magazines and who, I'm sorry to say, are usually of US origin. What does one of these publications know about the private lives of the BRF? Zilch, that's what. Just look at the number of times the DoC has been reported as definitely being pregnant for the fourth time - with twins, no less!
God
Duty (to country as a sovereign or even duty to the hospital, patients, managing covid response etc)
Wife
Kids
Mother (who is very unhappy unless she is HM and is still working)
Etc.
When DH was entering residency and we survived med school, when I would go to one of my docs, he would inevitably as about DH’s residency plans and I would discuss. Every single one of them would ask my plans and when I said work + grad school, they were relieved and said something like: good, because if you don’t get your own life, you will be divorced in a year.
The first two months of residency, I saw DH awake every other day for 4 hours.
US medicine is not like UK private and public system. Here, as they say’ you kill it, you eat it. If you get a patient, he/she is yours until discharge (even if you have partners to take a day of the load on call, that patient still belongs to you).
DH is about to start 7 days of call.
As you can see, I have great empathy for Camilla’s situation (different, yet probably a lot alike but without as many public appearance..,, we still have “public appearance” where DH has to speak, etc, but “thankfully” —so to speak thankfully as I am not thankful for the pandemic—we basically get the year off because of the pandemic...)
What would I do for the next 7 days if I didn’t have my own life? Sit and pine for him? No thank you.
Like I think it was Ian’s Girl said, absence makes the heart grow fonder and I also get giddy when I know he will be home when we can be together and it keeps things spicy where spice is needed. 😉
I always love to hear about young love though. It’s so idealistic and charming.
As you mentioned, there are several differences:
Former king, abdication, rocked the monarchy itself, resulting tailspin etc...
I think should there be a funeral anytime soon (god forbid), if the borders are open and both sides agreed they should attend....
I honestly think the RF would treat it as if nothing has happened. They would stay at Frogmore and it would be for those days like they never left.
My opinion. I don’t have to be right.
I really believe the RF has decided to treat HAMS as a private Windsor family issue. They won’t complain and they won’t explain.
Thank you - George VI's funeral was an excellent precedent, with regard to David Windsor, for HM to follow.
Harry should not be permitted to wear uniform nor walk behind the coffin.
Any narcissist worthy of the name would grab the chance to go to a funeral with a view to being the centre of attention by upstaging the departed.
I'd already given my husband strict instructions to tell may last narc,if I predecease him, that my last narc, should she think of coming, is told very firmly not to attend my obsequies , should I predecease him.
I'm blowed if she's going to steal my thunder, even if I am corpse.
The exclusion of The D of S ould not happen as HMQ maybe believed the treatment of her Uncle was harsh but obeyed her mother and grandmother wishes possibly PC would not be of same opinion and woukd nit dade exclude exclude MM too controversial maybe and he has dhown he is not harsh in his tretreatment towards MM least if all his son
The RF will have been more fixed in theur attitude then and steeped in protocol at that time .
Thank you.
'Ive already given my husband strict instructions to tell may last narc,if I predecease him, that my last narc, should she think of coming, is told very firmly not to attend my obsequies , should I predecease him'
Good for you for you.
I truly believe that the last wishes of the deceased should be honoured always Otherwise how can the deceased R.IP.
You either respect Nutty's and my time or you don't. Adults should know better. Nobody needs to come here if they don't want to. To quote Nutty:
This is a blog about the Sussexes. It's a hobby for me; I get no income from it.
I do it because it's fun, and because I enjoy chatting about the Sussexes with other people who are interested in the topic.
I did not sign up to moderate endless squabbling among adults old enough to know better.
If you're insulted by person X or person Y, take your ball and go home. I mean it.
Nobody wants your drama - least of all me.
P.S. I am really glad you are here @tatty :) May you, your loved ones, and your garden have a safe passage through the storms. Same goes for @SwampWoman :)
This reads like a hit piece. I wonder who is behind it???
It would be amazing if this previouse exclusion of a irmer royal Dukes wife were used as the RF 'funeral manifesto' and they enforced it to deter MM from attending.
Price Phillip could well insist!
I do hope Prince Phillip has the same insistance as you over his funeral wishes.
It could be his last wish might be thst the Harkles do not attend his funeral.
Absolutely agree. Royal, Aristocratic, and upper class marriages are not like normal marriages per se. They not only have their own bedroom, but often their own suite and staff. It’s also not unusual that either spouse have affairs, providing they are discreet. The latter often went on if the marriage were more of a political or financial one. These days aren’t a lot different with regards to having affairs, but rather more marry for love to start with.
I wonder if it isn't true. Because I started earlier today looking up articles about the issue and found a number of them from 2010 forward. Of course the vasrious media could all be lying? But it sounds plausible considering her retaining Ray Mill (which wasn't a long term family home when really recently acquired with part of money from her divorce settlement and some from Charles.
But whatever floats their boat! I could imagine Charles habits and his massive number of servants (from +90 to 125) could make living in his home uncomfortable to her more laid-back lifestyle. The wing she added to her home for her grandchildren (and they are quite young) indicates what seems to be a very involved and hands-on grandmother. I can just see a little toddler in Charles home reaching with his sticky fingers to pick up an expensive porcelain vase and Charles, mouth agog and clutching his chest, having an angina attack.
@CatEyes Complaints about the blog and posts that attack other posters will be removed from the blog as soon as possible. Deletions will depend on Nutty's and my schedule. Removal of OT posts will vary.
Nutty and I however will not be intervening between posters who fight. We are adults so everyone should know how to be civil and respectful. This blog prioritizes friendliness and peace.
Oh, whoever wanted to discuss the euthanizarion of the king, idk why but that story is not new to me. I don’t remember where I read or heard about it, but it was years ago. I don’t have an opinion on it.
For those of you who live in a commonwealth country in particular, the QCT is hosting a survey, Big Impact Survey 2020, "Your Voice Can Help Shape the Future of the Queens Commonwealth Trust". The link is on the QCT twitter page. The one with a photo of a very white savior JH, surrounded by a large group of smiling young Black women. Did not see Madam in the picture.
Meghan and Harry aren't Finding Freedom in LA but they are Fading Fast. I predict this time next year, they'll only make headlines in the Daily Mail, who really should be getting a commission from them keeping them in the news.
This wouldn't stop her from trying to upstage it halfway across the world, of course, but at least the family wouldn't have to put up with her being right in their faces.
It looks like anyone can take the survey, you do not have to have a twitter account. There is a link to the survey via the twitter account. I am sure all the sugars will be saying how wonderful the Duo are shining a light on the world.
If you are married to a man whose first obligation is “duty”, then you had better get your own life or you will be left a sad sack sitting and waiting for crumbs of his time.
That's one of the reasons that I was/am doubtful that Diana would have been happy (or even still married) regardless of Camilla. I don't think she wanted the crumbs of attention that were all he had to give, she wanted it all. I don't think she would have been very happy working by his side at the experimental organic farms, either.
Interesting twist to my comment. That would actually be an incentive to stay away but agree she'd pull a stunt half way across the world. Too bad the average person can have a closed, immediate family only, funeral but PP would not be able to.
Geeezzzz I hope the divorce is initiated before anyone dies.
That's one of the reasons that I was/am doubtful that Diana would have been happy (or even still married) regardless of Camilla. I don't think she wanted the crumbs of attention that were all he had to give, she wanted it all. I don't think she would have been very happy working by his side at the experimental organic farms, either.
I think this sounds like truth. Diana and the Harkles share so many negative traits in common. Diana had zero interest in country pursuits or getting her hands dirty. I can emphathize with not liking blood sports but it's part of the heritage. As is riding and mucking around in barns and gardens and the rain. Diana wanted to be Princess because she envisioned endless glamour and parties and that everyone would immediately love her. She was addicted to PR attention, too, and arranged her own, to the detriment
She deliberately worked to upstage Charles. Is this sounding like anyone else we know?
The Charles-Di match was cooked up by Queen Mum and Lady Fermoy, Diana's grandmother. The two old ladies were the best of friends. Charles was blindsided by the abrupt change in the 'bouncy, jolly country girl' he'd met at Sandringham weekends. Diana was on her best behavior and she was auditioning for the role of every little girl's dreams.
Charles doesn't appear to be very intuitive and he was a big dumb fish. Easy to bait that hook. Also not opposed in principle to bedding the teenage sister of his former girlfriend, Lady Sarah. It was incestuous that way. Queen Mum was supposedly Charles's biggest advocate, but she betrayed him here, if he was trusting her judgement that her good friend's granddaughter would be a good match with him.
At this point, I'm not sure if MeMe comments are on-topic or off-topic, but to Unknown's comment about the Harkles fading fast, I would say they "never were" in the States. They are the "noise" they have told us all to ignore!
Not sure what will transpire on the thread tonight, but I don't want to go away without giving a shout out to those dealing with Mother Nature's fury. Stay safe!
Luxem, that is the saying, isn’t it? When a man marries his mistress, the position becomes available.
I’m not sure these days that would be any giant deal worth everything HAMS has gotten, would it? Isn’t there an elderly European monarch getting sued by an illegitimate adult daughter?
I’m sure the courtiers and RRs would have a field day with the information though.
Thanks for the thoughts about Mother Nature. Marco is now a non starter though Laura looks like she might do some damage. Her track is flip flopping a bit, so I don’t know yet what side of the storm I will be on and how far away she will land. Might be smooth sailing for me or I might get hit by an eyewall or it might hit Houston, so 🤷🏼♀️.... remains to be seen.
https://archive.vanityfair.com/article/2005/12/charles-and-camilla-together-at-last
Thank God the Spencer mental problems and intellect affected Harry, not William.
He made a very famous observation about the BRF and drink a few years ago. One which I won't repeat here but in my opinion, it validates what I've read about the BRF liking their drink very, very much.
Also, I've known so many alcoholics who lived into their 90s because as long as they don't overdo it, i.e. falling down drunk everyday, alcoholics have no heart disease. Their arteries are clean as a whistle. This may explain the longevity of the Queen Mother.
In answer to Nutty's question: Will Megs help Biden? The answer is NO. Mega is just some sort of celebrity kryptonite. Americans are geniuses at pr, love fads, & are suckers for a bit of posh. It is a mystery to me how Megs could spend so much on pr, & still be borrowing from Russian mobsters. If she were sellable, or even relatable, she would have been much, much, bigger before Harry.
If anyone here is a fan of TCM, they will have seen American classic screwball comedies like Nothing Sacred, Mr. Deeds Goes to Town, Meet John Doe, Love is News, among many, many others which concern various cons based on pr. These movies star gorgeous people like Gary Cooper, Tyrone Power, Loretta Young & Carole Lombard. We love to put one over on our betters, & one another. We're a nation of immigrants who've come from nothing & want to get somewhere fast. We love Cinderella stories. We are compassionate,& we're generous. We've emptied our pockets for telethons claiming to benefit victims of various tragedies. We opened our arms to Vietnamese refugees after a hugely divisive war which had the most American casualties since WWII. If Megs hasn't drawn a huge fan base in our country, she's as appealing as one of the toads in Swamp Woman's garage. If I were Biden, I would run like hell from Megs. Harry is entirely irrelevant. Poor guy has become an afterthought, both to his wife, & the rest of the world.
There really is no excuse for such ignorance.
I'm about to go off on another tangent, forgive me.
I had a conversation about a half hour ago with a woman *very* annoyed with the schools. The woman was just livid about willful ignorance, people claiming "but I didn't know!", and she was wondering how it was even possible for anybody to be that stupid and walk upright in a bipedal manner and be paid to be on the job which they were incapable of doing. Those are the same people that are very quick to tell all and sundry about their master's or doctorate degree (from a not very rigorous mail order university), strongly hinting that the person complaining is the mentally-impaired one.
It is a combination of don't know/don't care. They were never sufficiently engaged to learn, and they really don't care because their ignorance then becomes your problem because they don't know the solution, or even how to find the solution. Even if you PRESENT the solution to them on a silver platter, it will remain your problem because they are not going to implement it just because you found the solution. It will therefore remain your problem unless it is outlined in their book of procedures, not that they'll look for it.
Now, back to the Harkles. Translation of the above: Of course they knew. They just didn't care. By saying that they didn't know, they are throwing the onus back on the royal family and the educational system and not taking any responsibility for their (likely feigned) ignorance.
“Utterly, utterly lacking, I'm afraid," said one recently retired courtier sadly. Far from giving her children the firmness and guidance they badly needed at crucial moments in their lives, he felt, she had done absolutely nothing. And by failing to take Prince Charles under her wing, as both son and heir, according to former courtiers of blameless loyalty, she has arguably made the future of the monarchy less secure—an astonishing piece of negligence in a woman so inspired by a sense of her own divine calling....”
What does this sound like?
Express poll: should H&M be stripped of royal titles -
89% of respondents (52,903 people) replied yes,
while just 9% (5,470) said no
and 2% (1,150) responded they did not know
Part of the reason charles and Camilla work is that they have somewhat separate lives and interests. She’s independent.
In many ways Camilla is the opposite of Diana. Diana, like that other 90’s tabloid queen, Paula Yates, had massive emotional holes and damage from a highly dysfunctional childhood. Diana craved love and adoration; from her husband, from the public, etc. she had gaping emotional holes no husband could fill. Unfortunately for her, Charles wasn’t a good fit for an emotional and needy wife. I suspect he’s the diva in his current marriage
RUSSIA has branded the Queen a heavy boozer — and claimed the PM has a Cognac habit.
Vladimir Putin has been escalating its fake news blitz in an effort to discredit Britain's claim Russia was behind the Salisbury nerve agent hit.
Foreign Office diplomats say the smears were aimed at discrediting Britain’s claim Russia tried to kill former spy Sergei Skripal, 66, and his daughter Yulia, 33.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5998336/russia-queen-theresa-may-alcohol-fake-news/
Re. The doling out of Diana’s mental instability
Yes, if someone had to get those, it’s better for all concerned that it was Harry. Except for Harry that is. Had they landed on William, We would have been dealing with another Richard II.
I posted before about Diana’s former chef at KP recently writing a book, and sharing an anecdote of an afternoon in the kitchen with Diana, when the subject of her boys came up...They must have been away at school at the time and Diana was missing them...And she told the servant, Albeit one she had a good relationship with, “William is smart like his father, and Harry is an airhead like me”
Harry has probably read that and it hurt, but actually being an airhead is the least of his problems. If he could’ve been a good-natured airhead, who is willing to do his best, And who didn’t envy William so much that it was eating him up inside, He could’ve been steered away from Meg and many others of his bad decisions. But he’s dumb, mean and stubborn. This is a terrible combination. Harry is the boy who would be King, but plotting is just so exhausting. So he allows his more dynamic wife to infantilize and demean him. Well all the while she’s assuring him that she’s got it all in hand, and after their plans hit it big, he will be king of the world and William will have to eat dirt. If granny we’re going to take them to court over there treachery, with hairy be exempt owing to mental disease or defect?
That’s one way to skate through life, but it’s certainly not a recipe for contentment.
You are welcome! Glad you enjoyed it. Good observation about the lack of parenting. I have to wonder though if that's the norm in aristocratic families. And nothing said about PP's role as Charles' father?
My memory of the 2016 campaign had Twitter pundits as the most influential endorsers. Off the top of my head: Scott Adams, Mike Cernovich, Milo Yiannopoulos. Adams had fame as a cartoonist before throwing his hat in the ring, but like the others, he wasn't the sort of glittering celebrity we get examples of in Nutty's post. These three backed the winner.
The glittering celebs, on the other hand, overwhelmingly backed the loser.
I'm not following this campaign as closely as the last one, so I can't tell which voices have been the most galvanizing so far. But I'm willing to bet celebrities are even less influential in 2020 than they were in 2016.
I had heard HM let PP have the day-to-day decision making with the children, to make up for her being the boss of the applesauce in her day job.
It also occurs to me that Harry may well have had enough walking-behind-coffins to last him the rest of his life. I do not see the BRF excluding Harry at least, and provided they don't do anything worse, I think Meghan would be welcome.(I can only imagine what Nutmeg-if invited- would do to draw attention, but I'm sure she'd outdo herself.) It would be tacky to exclude them, grifters or not. No public roles, please God, but they would surely not stop a grandson seeing his grandparent laid to rest, however little said grandson deserves it.
Charles it’s part of the Woodstock generation...A Boomer with two Greatest Gen Parents who just don’t get him. This wasn’t a big deal for the others, Because they were not the heir. An awful lot of people will probably be resting easier had Charles sister have been born first and the rules of primogenitor altered for her, And not 65 years later for Charlotte. England would still have a queen for a bit longer after Elizabeth passes, to ease the transition. Anne is the same generation as Charles, But has always seemed a lot mentally tougher and confident in herself than her brother. She takes after her father in this regard.
Philip has said a number of times in print, and probably a numerable times in person by word and action that he considers Charles to be a big wet baby, a loser, a disaster waiting to happen. It seems to me like Charles has spent his entire life trying to please both mommy and daddy, We both find him profoundly lacking as he is. Is it any wonder that he is not a strong and decisive person? Both of his parents have made plain their disappointment. The queen did give Charles a very nice birthday toast for his 70th, In which she called him an excellent father. Seems kind of droll now.
Charles will be another Edward the seventh, The second longest Prince of Wales in waiting who had many mistresses. Edward rained for 10 or 11 years only, And that’s probably about what Charles could expect.
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I know people who cannot live without their 5 o'clock martinis. Let's just say that the 5 o'clock martini isn't the last one of the evening. The BRF, I am willing to wager, all fall into that category, except perhaps William and Catherine's generation. They are more likely to have the 5 o'clock glass of wine. Harry is likely to have a joint for breakfast.
As for Camilla and Charles' marriage, I still maintain, and the press is behind me on this, that it's not a very loving and tolerant relationship any longer. They live apart and keep up the pretense of affection.
Having been reminded that Nutty's topic of choice this week is Meghan and US politics, I got to wondering whether celebrities in general have any influence on politics these days.
My memory of the 2016 campaign had Twitter pundits as the most influential endorsers. Off the top of my head: Scott Adams, Mike Cernovich, Milo Yiannopoulos. Adams had fame as a cartoonist before throwing his hat in the ring, but like the others, he wasn't the sort of glittering celebrity we get examples of in Nutty's post. These three backed the winner.
The glittering celebs, on the other hand, overwhelmingly backed the loser.
To that list of Twitter pundits, I would add James Woods. NOBODY but nobody can take a verbal sharp knife and eviscerate like he can.
The "glittering celebs" have been largely dismissed, I believe, because most people understand that they just don't matter. Their moral values aren't the values of most Americans. We know that if they are leading Hollywood stars, it isn't just because of acting talent (if you know what I mean and I think that you do).
If Hollywood disappeared tomorrow, it would make absolutely no difference in most people's lives or standard of living (although the drug cartels might have to start factories producing actual medications). I can't really say that about any other group of people except perhaps career politicians.
@holly, thank you. The Vanity Fair piece is engrossing, but I had to stop and quote this bit on insight about the queen and her “inadequate” mothering:
“Utterly, utterly lacking, I'm afraid," said one recently retired courtier sadly. Far from giving her children the firmness and guidance they badly needed at crucial moments in their lives, he felt, she had done absolutely nothing. And by failing to take Prince Charles under her wing, as both son and heir, according to former courtiers of blameless loyalty, she has arguably made the future of the monarchy less secure—an astonishing piece of negligence in a woman so inspired by a sense of her own divine calling....”
What does this sound like?
"Former courtiers of blameless loyalty"? If they talked, they weren't loyal. Sounds like made up BS to me.
I remember when "experts" used to blame the mother for homosexuality and autism, too.
How could I have forgotten about James Woods?!
He's also an "exception that proves the rule" inasmuch as he has real Hollywood cred. So that's one glittering celeb who actually backed the winner!
This also backs up Nutty's observation that "the only time a celebrity endorsement is useful is when an established celebrity is endorsing an up-and-coming politician." When Woods started tweeting for Trump, he had been in showbiz for 35 years, and had two Oscar nominations and two Emmy wins!
In contrast, Meghan . . . well, we all know her glittering resumé by now!
I have read numerous articles through the years that Prince Philip does not want a state funeral, but I hope there is one.
@SwampWom ~ Medusa is perfect!
OT ~ Frogs are good luck: they represent transformation and good weather!
Prince Philip probably requested that he be in his coffin on his stomach so that everybody could kiss his *ss.
Maybe my personal bias is that I don't have any fascination with celebrities to influence me to do anything in life not even when I was young (neither pop stars or singers or anyone), I don't think celebrities do much in the way of influencing voters bit maybe it does more with youth. Therefore I think Meghan will has very little likelihood of helping Biden/Dems and virtually nothing for getting people to register. Without revealing much, I can attest many people won't bother to register when it is made very easy for them (like standing right in front of them with a form and a pen and free time). Shockingly many people who are registered don't vote and some don't realize they need to reregister when they move.
There was a very interesting article about this recently, and it opened my eyes to the real struggles for power in the BRF. That Queen Mother was one power hungry woman! She even had them send her those briefing papers in the red dispatch boxes which are meant for the Queen after the coronation, and forced Chuchill to name her to the council of state, which had never been done.
Poor PP had to live with his mother-in-law for years because she refused to leave Buckingham Palace. They eventually cut off the heating in her wing which forced her to move to Clarence House.
So many great comments, some have strayed from Nutty's topic, but still interesting. I've become a Camilla fan, simply because of her staying power & her discretion. I also have become a fan of HM as well, because of her consistency & durability, which to me indicates integrity, which is why I find the RF's tolerance of the Harkles so dismaying..
In answer to Nutty's question: Will Megs help Biden? The answer is NO. Mega is just some sort of celebrity kryptonite. Americans are geniuses at pr, love fads, & are suckers for a bit of posh. It is a mystery to me how Megs could spend so much on pr, & still be borrowing from Russian mobsters. If she were sellable, or even relatable, she would have been much, much, bigger before Harry.
Yeah. We are getting to the nub of things, here.
Donald Trump is going to smash the election. Sorry. Truth.
As for our Megs?
I am not able to stand her, anymore. She is a slime-ball. Slime, as in a bit of ooze, like a jellyfish, something you don't want to touch.
Before the EU referendum, there was an great effort in the UK to get youngsters to register to vote (18 has been the qualifying age since the late 1960s). It was deemed successful.
It seems, however, that come polling day, relatively few turned out. Had they done so, I believe the vote would have gone the other way. The median age of the active electorate, who cast their votes, was about 50, I calculated; the older group was largely composed of those who remember that life was possible in preEU/Common Market days.
Inevitably though, the old got the blame from the losers - for our imagined sin of commission rather than the young's actual sin of omission.
Horses and water, methinks (or perhaps Dorothy Parker's version is more appropriate where Megofirst is concerned - how to use the word `horticulture)'
If American youngsters are anything like British ones, I can't imagine her having much influence either way.
A thought about persuading the young to register and then vote.
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Markle thinks she can persuade her cohorts. It is part of her self.
She is an ugly person. Ugly.
She is piece of shite.
@Martha
Yes, Megs would use/do anything to score points.
I think Charles and Camilla look very happy, contented and comfortable with each other.
Lots of candid photos of the two together sharing a laugh.
Well, whatever she said, LOL
Mango, I am so sorry to admit that I haven't really seen anything about her except her hair that was likely shaved off of Uighurs in concentration camps. That's all I could focus on.
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@Swampwoman, I have to respectfully disagree. That stuff on her head looks like horse hair to me. There’s a poor mare walking around without a tail on a hot summer day, unable to swish at flies, because MM needed a new ‘doo. Poor horsey!
I will probably be slammed or have my comment deleted since lately it has been largely a Demo Love fest here on the blog. And others seem to talk about taboo topics but I am watched like a hawk. I never thought of myself as subversive but lately I feel like an anarchist here. Lol
I don't like Markle. Hope she disappears off the planet.
Given PP ‘s wishes, and the risk of Markle turning up, might they have a deeply private ceremony as per Bea's wedding?
Do it quietly/secretly at Windsor?
No dignitaries, only the `safe' members of the family?
No lying in state, with people queueing through the night as they did for the Queen Mother, or to sign a book of remembrance, as I did at Romsey for Earl Mountbatten?
No great procession in crowd-lined streets, as for Diana?
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Thinking back to Earl Mountbatten, blown up by the IRA, we could look at all the wreaths laid out on the ground outside Romsey Abbey as we stood waiting in line. There was one with a ribbon that showed it was of Belgian origin, in black,gold and red, printed repeatedly with `Baudouin-Fabiola, the names of the the King and Queen of the Belgians.
`Look,' said the chap in front of me. `There's one there from the A-rabs'.
When Prince Charles becomes the King of England, although Archie will be a prince – at the age of 18 he will be allowed to decide his title, which could be either Prince Archie or His Royal Highness.
Although his parents, Meghan and Harry have stepped down as senior members of the Royal Family and no longer use their titles.
Meghan and Prince Harry's decision to ditch their roles as senior royals was in part motivated by their wish to give Archie a "more peaceful life."
Ok, not exactly earth shattering news. If there's still a monarchy, let's hope Archie will have been forgotten by then.
Sorry about the first sentence, for the first time I had to scroll past so many of the comments.
Magatha, thank you for what you wrote about Charles and Camilla.
Given PP ‘s wishes, and the risk of Markle turning up, might they have a deeply private ceremony as per Bea's wedding?
If they do, I hope it's only because of Prince Philip's wishes and not at all because of some stunt Meghan might pull. That she could hold an entire family emotionally hostage in their own country, at a time of mourning, is repugnant to me.
Upthread I've already suggested two ways to bribe her to keep away. If neither seems feasible, how about simply slipping a sleeping drought into her coffee that will knock her out for 24 hours?!
At the very least, surely the "men in grey" can cough up the 150US$ for an H.G. Tudor consultation. I'm sure he'd have excellent suggestions that would never occur to empathic me in a million years!
I meant to respond earlier to your brilliant distraction idea, rather like the ploy that was used to ensure she didn't muddy the water with any royal caterer. I lost my line of thought though.
Perhaps both PP and HM have sufficient strength of mind to survive until she's completely out of the way - a condition that doctors used to abbreviate as TBMTD in their notes - `Too Bloody Minded To Die'. Here's hoping.
https://twitter.com/MeghanMarkleR
It looks pretty genuine, the only pic without her image is one of a dog.
That `R’ wouldn’t stand for `Regina’ would it???
So I pose this question why are you all here? To chat about the Harkles? What draws you to this story? Your interest in Royal Family in general? To watch implosion of couple? Me? I want to be with you all when fake pregnancy gets outed :)
I am banking on it. I honestly feel it is going to happen. Maybe not soon but it cannot stay hidden forever
Maybe that is good idea for next Nutty poll. How many feel Meghan birthed Archie vs surrogacy. My argument for surrogacy is simply this. That bump was so phony! Sure she could have padded for dramatics but she was shown to have flat belly way into pregnancy. Not possible and then of course the stilletos and the squats
I know it has been debated here ad nauseam but many lurk so I would be curious as to how the numbers stand with all who follow blog, just a thought
I realise that this is old news now , from before I joined the Nutties, but I don’t recall picking this up from any other source:
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Hope Nutty Flavor sorts this.
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I remember there being some debate if same item was donated. According to her , yes
Did not read much more as she repulses me :) but certainly seems to be her. Wonder why she stopped?
I totally understand both you and Cateyes. You both feel wronged. Maybe in time there can be some resolution but it is not going to happen today so save yourself the angst and let it go for today and yes Wullie please do email me :)
So I pose this question why are you all here?
I understand this to mean: "What about the Markle chapter of the BRF has ensnared your imagination?" For I was definitely no royal watcher until two years ago!
For me, there seems to be a new point of interest every few months. At first, it was the novelty of an interracial relationship on such an unexpected stage. (I've not been in one myself, but two of my closest friends have. And I wondered if the stresses they reported would be evident in Harry and Meghan's relationship.) Then I traveled to New Zealand a few months after their Oceania tour, when media about their wedding were still being rerun on TV and reprinted in the newspapers -- and I had an almost allergic reaction to everything I saw and read. When I got home, I discovered Royal Tumblr, and its documentation of her ever-changing baby bump. I particularly enjoyed the blogger Scorpiotwentythree's analyses. It was she who put me on the path to studying narcissism. And so on . . .
Now, like you, I'm hanging around to see what will happen next. Whatever it is, it's bound to be interesting!
And I can't think of a better group of people to be discussing this saga with in real time than Nutty and the Nutties. (We've got to think of a better band name, though!) I learn a lot from my interactions here. My favorite posts are those about the BRF's recent history. I myself am very overshadowed by my own family's history, and it's like a small holiday when I get to focus on another close but dysfunctional family's story instead.
“`Omid just said rhat Catherine’s Hyperemesis Gravidum was just a bad case of morning sickness. What’s wrong with him? Open a book Scobie and stop talking nonsense to ty to make your idols look better.”
A man diminishing a pregnant woman’s condition is utterly despicable and ridiculous, but especially when it is something that is considered a pregnancy complication.”
(I haven’t traced that to its source yet)
I take it Scabies has had morning sickness?
I haven’t been pregnant but I do get sea sickness to the point not that I’m afraid I’ll die but that I’m NOT going to die. In my case, I’ve seriously considered jumping overboard and drowning as a better option, so extreme nausea and vomiting are life threatening to me.
The thought of feeling like that for weeks on end is appalling.
I bet Megofirst said that but it underlines what a sordid little creep Scabies is.
According to https://the-cat-with-the-emerald-tiara.tumblr.com/ picked up by Yankee Wally:
“`Omid just said rhat Catherine’s Hyperemesis Gravidum was just a bad case of morning sickness. What’s wrong with him? Open a book Scobie and stop talking nonsense to ty to make your idols look better.”
A man diminishing a pregnant woman’s condition is utterly despicable and ridiculous, but especially when it is something that is considered a pregnancy complication.”
(I haven’t traced that to its source yet)
I take it Scabies has had morning sickness?
I haven’t been pregnant but I do get sea sickness to the point not that I’m afraid I’ll die but that I’m NOT going to die. In my case, I’ve seriously considered jumping overboard and drowning as a better option, so extreme nausea and vomiting are life threatening to me.
The thought of feeling like that for weeks on end is appalling.
I bet Megofirst said that but it underlines what a sordid little creep Scabies is.
Oh, good grief. Sounds like jealousy to me. You know that he really wants to have morning sickness! ROFLOL.
What sort of personal hell do people like him have to live in to look in the mirror and think that the plastic-appearing face staring back is attractive? Yeesh. Maybe he's trying to compete with sex robots.
I have learned so much here! I never followed RF either. I came here from CDAN and what is interesting is I generally skipped over the royal family posts. I turned on royal wedding while getting ready for work and was intrigued. Started reading more posts and of course Nutty caught my eye and tada here! First post I read here was Meg in white dress after giving birth and then it was ON I could not believe she faked pregnancy like that. Hooked ever since
I honestly cannot think of anyone in modern times who has squandered such an opportunity as Meghan. Curious to know who else has done anything remotely like this, refresh my memory anyone please
I must admit as of late am getting burned out but once I deleted her out of my newsfeed, much better. I get the scoop here and I do frequent couple other tumblr pages but this is my go to source
Interesting to me you followed due to interracial angle. Care to share more on that? Do you feel all of Britain is racist? I will say there were a couple unfortunate articles but I feel HM and the country for that matter welcomed her with open arms, abundantly so. MM and her pr really ran with "victim" from the beginning. You knew something shady was going on as anyone else (such as Catherine) would have moved on from the negative yet MM ate it up and kept serving it. I am big believer you get what you put out so I sit and wait for her full on demise. Fake pregnancy will end her. It will rock monarchy as well but they will survive
He was a cute guy in his before shot. I honestly wonder if he is pleased with his new look. They are all so young to seemingly have full facelifts. I am referring to him ,meg and JM of course
California seems to make the make. Me, I don't like it.
Scabies and Markle both have in common not having the slightest idea what it feels like to be pregnant.
Her little Ken doll robot disciple’s dissing Catherine’s grave medical condition is beyond the pale.
I look at Meg and the people who associate with her and what I feel is Evil. Evil that corrupts everything it touches.
I sincerely believe that Meg suffers from a variety of mental disorders that make her unable to be fully in control of her own actions. But while she’s imagining herself as Queen of her minions, including Harry, Negative force is far greater than herself are using her for their own ends. They have enmeshed Harry too.
This whole episode will be a stain on the house of Windsor forever. They could cast out the demon, but that requires more energy than they are willing to put forth. What a destructive force they ushered in when they opened the gates to Harry’s Mistake. I fear for him it’s going to be a fatal mistake. Look what that succubus has done to him in only 2 years.
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Past time for an exorcism. And Oh Ima Scabies needs to SHUT UP. He no longer has the shred of a legitimate journalism career.
The thought of feeling like that for weeks on end is appalling.
I had extreme empathy for the Duchess of Cambridge's sufferings because I had first-hand experience with it. I wonder sometimes if it wasn't because I was extremely thin and fit at the time (like she is). Perhaps some sort of nutritional deficiency, IDK. I did lose 20 lbs. and had bones sticking way out like a hound dog with too many puppies to feed.
My husband finally got to experience morning (which for me was 24/7) sickness when he went out on a deep-sea fishing expedition with my BFF's husband. The seas were glassy with *only* 10 to 12 foot swells. "Make sure you take some (popular motion sickness medication) now, and take some with you!" I said. "Don't be silly. I don't get sea sick. You do. I'll be fine." (Because he's a man, no doubt, and I am just a woman therefore weak.) I tried again, hissing at him through clenched teeth "This isn't the Gulf! This is the Pacific! Seriously, YOU NEED THIS!" He just looked at me as though I had questioned his gender. I tried again. "Would you at least take it with you?" But he just laughed and got on board the ship with the other guys. Within a short time, he reportedly was feeding the fishes over the side. Within an hour, he told me that he had offered the Captain everything in his wallet to just take him back to shore and continue the fishing trip without him. The Captain just laughed and said "When you feel something hairy in your mouth, it's probably your a*****e, you've thrown up everything else." My BFF's husband thought it was hilarious. My husband, not so much.
I just wish that he had experienced it before the pregnancies so that he would know how I felt when he would bring in some Italian food with extra garlic, open it, and yell "Hey, baby, I have dinner!" when just the smell of garlic and Italian food, something that I previously loved, would send me into extreme nausea and retching for a prolonged period of time. He thought that morning sickness was psychological and all I had to do was to decide not to be sick. He also said that ladies should not use that kind of language.
Interesting to me you followed due to interracial angle. Care to share more on that? Do you feel all of Britain is racist?
I don't have firsthand experience of life in Britain, but my two friends do. And although I haven't asked them that specific question, I know their experience of life there was very positive. They certainly go back to visit whenever they get the chance!
My friends and I are all Asian. Both of them have dated European men who fall under the huge umbrella category of "white." And one stressor my friends mentioned is that when you're an interracial couple, everybody stares. And it can make you feel really defensive when there's no reason to be. One friend said that when she and her BF were in our country, she felt people thought she was a gold digger; and while she was in his country, she felt people thought she was a mail order bride! Never mind that she makes more money than he does and they met in Graduate school. Even if the people staring at them mean no ill will and are just curious, it's not pleasant to be a curiosity!
Even family and friends who are very accepting can say tactless things like, "I hope a baby comes out looking more white!" The implication being that an Asian-looking baby would be a disappointment.
And then when the baby does come, so does an unexpected identity crisis -- especially if they've agreed to raise the baby in the husband's country. By choosing to raise the baby in the West, are they sending a message that the East is inferior? What is the best way to pass on the child's Asian heritage without making him feel too different from his peers? . . . One of my friends took ages choosing a name for her baby because she wanted it to have the same spelling in both our country and her husband's country. (E.g. Pedro would be out, because it's Peter, Pierre, Pietro, Piotr, etc. depending on the country. But Martin is the same in multiple countries, so it's in.) Just in case they decide to move in a few years, she doesn't want him to be the kid with the weird name. Especially since he'd already be the kid with the "weird" heritage!
These were the issues I expected to see on a grander scale when I first noticed Harry and Meghan. But their narrative has been so different.
Despite all the times she has whipped out the race card, I've always felt that Meghan brands herself as American rather than black/biracial -- with her woke beliefs in equality and republicanism as the true reason she clashes with the BRF. I'm willing to bet that when she first met them, she acted as if her background were no big deal -- as if she were the white woman she claimed to be on her acting resumé. But as soon as she was in, she started changing the rules. At first it was fairly innocuous, like having the preacher and the Gospel choir at the wedding. (Interesting if she insisted on them after pretending she would convert to the Church of England. She uses religion as a weapon, the way she uses race.) But then more damaging things followed. And I can see why this must have blindsided the BRF. Race wasn't an issue when she got engaged, but then she forced it on them.
I also think about what would happen if any of my friends treated their in-laws or second countries the way Meghan has treated the BRF and the UK. Both of them have warm relationships with their in-laws. But should the status quo ever change and a true family feud develop . . . it would be reprehensible for them to accuse their in-laws of having hated them from the beginning. It wouldn't just be a lie, but also character assassination. Meghan's showing her true face to Harry's family would have been a betrayal on a very personal level.
Your final post sums up the situation perfectly. Evil is not too strong a word for her.
I pray that somehow she meets her comeuppance from something that cannot possibly be attributed to the RF. Just think, she's about halfway through her life and has all those years to ruin the lives of more innocent people.
God help us.
Megsplaining’ is a new concept, pioneered by the Duchess of Sussex. The definition of to ‘Megsplain’ is ‘to make a banal or meaningless statement in a courageous, virtuous tone’. How fluent are you in the art of Megsplaining? To find out, take this simple test . . . (only if you have time to waste/want a laugh - I only looked at 2 questions)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8660439/CRAIG-BROWN-saint-test-Megsplaining.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8661935/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markles-biographer-comments-Prince-Andrews-horrendous-mess.html
I also found out that he was the author of 5 books and the foreword of many others, and the royal patron of over 800 institutions/organisations.
He basically invented the sport of carriage racing and was on the board of the organisation which made up the rules.
And, even though he's back in the public eye, he is such a humble person that it takes research to find out all of his accomplishments.
Contrast this to Meghan Markle.
@Miggy
Finding Freedom author Omid Scobie brands Meghan Markle's critics 'morons' and says he'd love to see them focus on Prince Andrew's 'horrendous mess'.
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Translation: MM brands her critics 'morons' and says she'd love to see them focus on Prince Andrew's 'horrendous mess'.
Exactly... and Scobie, much like Meghan - doesn't know when to keep his big mouth shut!
I cleaned up the new mess that happened during my first good night's rest in more than a week.
I okayed on-topic comments. I will address other comments later on.
I want to send thanks to all the Nutties that sent Nutty and me kind, supportive messages.
Thanks for your post on international marriages. I lived in Japan for six years and saw a lot of interracial relationships. More often, it was a Western man with a Japanese woman, but I knew two American women very well who married Japanese men. One of the couples I met there just relocated back to the States last year after 25 years in Tokyo, and raising their biracial ('hanbun') child. He is a gorgeous mixture of both of them, more Asian-looking than Caucasian, but I know his school life may have been . . .challenging. Being different in any way is not the way to get on there.
Despite all the times she has whipped out the race card, I've always felt that Meghan brands herself as American rather than black/biracial -- with her woke beliefs in equality and republicanism as the true reason she clashes with the BRF. I'm willing to bet that when she first met them, she acted as if her background were no big deal -- as if she were the white woman she claimed to be on her acting resumé. But as soon as she was in, she started changing the rules. At first it was fairly innocuous, like having the preacher and the Gospel choir at the wedding. (Interesting if she insisted on them after pretending she would convert to the Church of England. She uses religion as a weapon, the way she uses race.) But then more damaging things followed. And I can see why this must have blindsided the BRF. Race wasn't an issue when she got engaged, but then she forced it on them.
Obviously Meg never gave any actual thought to the unique challenges of being an intercultural family before she married Harry, because she was never sincere about integrating into British culture or genuinely loving Harry. Given what the BRF went through with Mrs. Simpson, I'm gobsmacked, really that they capitulated to Harry's getting hitched to another American. That truly is the area of conflict; not the fact that Meg has some African blood. The two states are really mutually incompatible--being American and being a Princess of the United Kingdom. The deference to persons who occupy where they are by accidents of birth, rather than being elected by the people, and being made to feel so much lesser than and inferior as 'a commoner' . . . well, it gets my back up. I am interested in history and admire the Queen for many reasons, but too many other members of her house struggle to meet the basic qualifications for 'Royal' deportment.
So a 'woke', go-getter, 'successful actress/businesswoman/humanitarian' feminist biracial American woman hooking up with a British Prince who has very little in terms of 'accomplishment' on his sheet was a major disconnect. But had Meg actually wanted to make a go of it within the Firm, it could have worked. What a different narrative we'd be living through now.
And if Harry had had the self-awareness to realize that he was nothing more than Markle's puppet, he would have not gone through with this travesty. So many lovely, patriotic women of color within the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth--and he had to go and pick ***her***. He will be regretting this for decades to come--if he lives that long.
***Submitting this under moderation now . . hope it goes through.
Thank you for taking on what is proving to be a difficult task.
I would also like to thank Nutty for allowing us this blog to air our opinions on the Harkles.
Long may it continue.
"If there’s credence to the story about Camilla and Charles, I can see Meghan capitalizing upon it somehow. Is that why she was so coy with Charles at the Commonwealth Service? Just another gaffe in a long line if them. She is most cunning; how can I use this to my advantage?"
I'm late to the party, but yesterday I believe it was, I saw a gif on Skippy blog with all four of them standing around before going out to Charles bday party. The title was " Camilla asking for Help" I think. We may remember it here as when she pulled Harry's arm for him to let her go ahead of him. What I had never seen was the look on her face when Camilla turns her back momentarily. It was so telling. I mean, this is the future Queen of England for pete sake. If this has been discussed before. Sorry. I had never seen this before yesterday.
I don't think I've ever heard about Putin having a state visit to the UK? When did it happen? That's the only way I think he could truthfully comment on the drinking habits of the BRF. This, remember, is the man who said that the Salisbury poisonings never happened and then changed it to saying that MI5/MI6 did it themselves. Such a truthful man! Just like Markle, I wouldn't take his word for anything - if he said it was sunny outside, I'd grab an umbrella.
On the health front re alcohol. it's the damage to the liver and kidneys that usually carries alcoholics off. Anyway, are you saying that the RF are alcoholics? There is a great difference between having a couple of drinks at lunchtime, sun-downers or during the evening as opposed to an out-and-out alcoholic.
There's only been one member of the present RF that has been reported repeatedly falling drunk out of pubs and picking fights or having difficulty in getting on a stage in broad daylight and it's not a member resident in the UK.
Also, I find your uneducated remarks re Charles and Camilla to be somewhat offensive so please don't bother to reply to this comment - just scroll on.
I don't like going to the DM website but thanks for the headline, I get the most of it. MM's puppet OM going after Andrew. And.....
There is the William & Rose gossip being brought again as well.
The only ones who seem immune from MM's nastiness is the Queen and for the time being Charles.
@Charade,
Thank you for helping out Nutty. Sorry to hear about disruptions.
There are more than you or Nutty know that are quietly/silently supporting this site. Please keep up the good fight.
I also appreciate the blog and your huge effort to keep it on track. I try to stay on topic most of the time and apologize if I sometimes forget Im not on Reddit. lol. I dont post as much as I used to mainly because its already covered and also I'm just not as interested with the Harkles and all their zoom chicanery. However, I am amazed how they have seemingly been allowed to continue to disrespect the BRF with impunity.
Might I make a suggestion which may have already been made.
Since Nutty has Nutty flavor.com domain already, could the blog lay dormant while the .com domain was tried for awhile? Have no idea how this works or if it is harder to moderate but I think ppl can be banned there like Reddit. I like Reddit personally bc ppl can be muted and still read the sub or they can be banned outright permanently. Oh, well. Good luck, ladies. And sorry for your headache concerning this.
Why am I here?
I found Nutty on CDAN and started reading. Much more interesting. I am reminded of a possible quote (possible World According to Garp) I want to find out what happens next (so I keep reading).
This whole thing is a never ending soap opera (complete with commercials - aka merching). And, the audience, us, it's like being in an audience participation movie like Rocky Horror. No one is throwing toast or using squirt guns but they/we are yelling out all kinds of things helpful to the cue the rest of the audience to pay attention to. People have the most interesting backgrounds and observation skills. Marvelous, marvelous.
WBBBM - Omid and the morning sickness comment of yours
Tee hee. Reminds me of how lovely Brooke Shields drolly commented in her response to criticism for taking drugs after she had had such difficulties dealing with depression/post pregnancy (her comment about being pretty certain that TC had not ever been pregnant).
To everyone who is wondering about whether the story that MM asked for the charity to pay for a private jet is true, and is thinking that even she wouldn't go that far: in her latest blog post, HarryMarkle addresses that question and notes that the charity has refused to deny or confirm it. In her opinion, if it weren't true, there would be a straightforward denial: she writes that when one doesn't deny something like that, it's because it's true but it would be too embarrassing to admit. It's an extremely entitled move, and also a very stupid move, but MM has done one very stupid thing after another.
I am sorry but I posted without realising that you had posted something similar at 2:35 AM.
I wasn't trying to "poach", please accept my apologies, especially as we seem to be on the same wave-length.
My first husband was sure my marine suffering was because I `told myself' I was going to be sick -` It's all in your mind'
`No', I'd say, `It's in my brain.'
He had to go down to the Falkland Islands after the cessation of hostilities in 1982. I heard that although he had been able to fly to Ascension Island, the rest of the way had to go by sea - and he was horribly sick. Sweet schadenfreude!
He was married to someone else by this time and I heard from an acquaintance, who knew his by-then pregnant wife, that she was relieved he wasn't around as she was suffering. I couldn't help thinking I was very glad not to be still married to him.
MM do something to benefit others? As if!
It's more about PHarry anyway, megs.
She's an idiot.
And I'm very grateful to Charade and Nutty for keeping us all in line.
And it's very sad that grown adults need to be kept in line.
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Isn't it lovely when scornful blokes get caught by the very thing they've derided. I was going to say something about `having to eat his words'... Poetic justice!
Apparently, conflicting signals from eyes and ears and/or pungent smells (for me it's diesel fumes) are interpreted by the brain as `being poisoned' - hence the `quick, get rid of it' reaction from the gut.
Women do suffer more than men, presumably to protect their unborn children.
Both she and Scabies are despicable.
I may go forward with daily moderation during certain problem hours.
Thank you for trying.