I'm very sorry to hear about the passing of Prince Philip, just a few months before his 100th birthday.
He was an outspoken man who was always one of my favorite Royals.
Here's a space to discuss his passing, as well as any implications it will have for other ongoing Royal events, such as the Sussex saga.
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and the HArkles continuing with their O drama interview and fall out afterwards doesn’t surprise me, neither does MM’s snipey horrible cold statement.
What does surprise me is the Harkles didn’t just spill the he has a month or so to live beans in their interview, or to Gayle later.
OR perhaps they did, and O and G were shockingly tactiful enough not to use it? the Harkles seem absolutely totally untrustworthy of anything, i’m actually going with O not using it.
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That is to me interesting as I had often wondered how given that my parents owned (on H.P.) a Bush wireless how my Mother had not heard of the death before the arrival home from slaving over a hot ledger (now that is a life without parole) of my Father. Perhaps when turning on the radio no sound being emitted she assumed there was something up with the radio or the BBC.
How I loved that old bakerlite radio with such exotic though usually untunable stations such as Hilversum, Reykjavik, Lyons, Moscow. As a baby my Mother discovered that the way to keep me quiet was to place me beside the radio. I must have been born this way though from an unmusical family such trick not working on my siblings.
Yes, that's one of the sticking points, isn't it? I thought maybe in the context of a high-profile trip home, his first in over a year, and given the unrest surrounding him which he himself has helped to stir up that he might insist that the only way he could possibly come is if the Palace provided him security for the duration of his stay. Otherwise, Harry would be out of pocket for flight and hotel for his own hired security, in addition to his own expenses. Can he source a private jet from Oprah at such short notice? Probably. But American private security goons--assuming H even has such--would know jack all about Royal venues and the layout of London, Windsor, etc. Plus someone would have to stay at home to 'guard' Megan and Archie. Would Haz have the balls to position himself as a 'visiting dignitary' and therefore entitled to protection?
Between you, me, and the fence posts, I don't believe they have staff. Beyond some lawyers. All this talk of dozens of staff--security, nannies, private secretaries--it's all a pathetic bid to sound important--the A-listers with their entourage. I don't believe they employ so much as a cleaning lady. Meghan is a nightmare, they are cheap, probably broke and we still have no confirmation that they actually live anywhere. If they have staff waiting on them, those people are probably employed by Oprah or Tyler Perry.
There will be some way to be unable to accommodate his monstrous ego, but he'll whine about that as well. "My racist bully family denied me the right to say goodbye to my grandfather because they refused to listen to my security concerns." Just wait.
Harry trying to give HM "a hug from Meghan"
HM backhanding Harry with a fish.
That she pulled from her handbag.
Foot-'in'-Mouth disease.
Princess Anne and Prince Edward paid tribute to their father Prince Philip, who has passed away aged 99
In pre-recorded interviews, the Princess Royal and the Earl of Wessex reflected on relationship with Philip
Anne said how life will be 'completely different' without him while Edward praised his 'wonderful' humour
In the DM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9455077/Prince-Philip-dies-Anne-Edward-say-life-completely-different.html
Something more personal and warmer than the Harkles' message.
She’s not going to be there i think security will be tight she won’t be able to gate crash. Her blossoming moo bump and covid will be her excuses.
Actually he should privately offer condolences to gran his dad and uncles and decline to come. They don’t want him there (well at least there person he is now). If he really cared about them he would stay away. If he did come he needs to be stealth in of it and not be seen by anyone outside of the family. And no detail of any conversation should be leaked. The Mrs will pester him for something. Yeah I’m thinking mi6 needs to take himto a secure location.
This is what Harry *should* do, in all decency. But Harry parted ways with decency a lot time ago, or never had it to begin with. If the RF really wanted to be slealthy, though, they could arrange Haz a first class flight and say, Yes, we'll give you the Queen's RPOs and you'll be in Windsor Castle! The 'RPOs' who meet HRH dipsnit at Heathrow will be undercover MI6 who will spirit him away to a safe house and begin the deprogramming (officially called 'quarantine').
She’s not going to be there i think security will be tight she won’t be able to gate crash. Her blossoming moo bump and covid will be her excuses.
'Moo Bump' indeed. She is a cow for sure. A mad cow.
https://www.ok.co.uk/celebrity-news/prince-harry-meghan-backlash-philip-23886650
The above can happen but my bet is Harry will go to England by himself.
Aside from all other things (mass hatred against her) her inability to show up with an actual child will likely prevent her from going.
"The more I think about it the more I am convinced that Harry will be a no-show."
I think your reasoning, sadly, is solid here. Also, the fact they knew he was dying and still went forward with the interviews, just tells you where their priorities are. This was a scorched earth policy. To treat family this way, is sad and disgusting in equal measures.
I think they have "some" staff but I think they have those people do more than their job description. Remember sending RPOs for coffees in Canada? That kind of thing. I assume a housekeeper/chef/shopper/etc., a nanny (or Doria), a gardener, pool service, and at least one additional maid. After that, lawyers, PR people, lawyers, PR people, agents, lawyers, PR people, .....
I agree they should not be using for-profit Archewell to announce private family notices.
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The disadvantage of not having their own personal social media accounts, eh?
Nowhere for them to post anything about PP.
Charities want to post their own tributes, and won't be amenable to the Harkles using their social media for Harkles' posts.
All of you have skipped over the fact that if MM were to go to the UK they would be expected to be seen with an Archie which she doesn't have.
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If there is an Archie, he can stay in Montecito with the nanny or Doria. A funeral over 5000 miles away is no place for a toddler If they both attend - I don't think Megalo will - it'll only be for the weekend. I can't imagine an invitation being extended to Harry, let alone both, for several days.
Ideally Harry does not attend funeral, unless requested by HM.
Pretty rich of Gayle to ask if he died of natural causes. I hope CBS is iced out of all coverage.
+1 Hunter. There is no Archie
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle slammed over 'appalling' tribute to Prince Philip after his death
The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have come under fire for sharing a simple tribute to the late Prince Philip as many found it lacking in "emotion".
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have faced backlash over their tribute to the Duke of Edinburgh following his tragic death on Friday 9 April.
The royal couple, who are expecting their second child together, took to the website of their non-profit organisation Archewell to share a note in honour of Prince Philip.
It reads: "In loving memory off His Royal Highness The Duke of Edinburgh 1921-2021 [sic]
"Thank you for your service... You will be greatly missed."
Prince Harry, 36, and his 39 year old wife have removed all other information from their website for the time being.
Upon seeing the message plastered across news sites, fierce Royal fans took to social media platform Twitter to hit out at the pair.
One person wrote: "“Thank you for your service” is rather business like. Where is the emotion? This was Harry’s Grandfather." [sic]
Another said: "This is an appalling tribute..your grandfather has just passed and you state "thank you for your service" #stunned". [sic]
A third said they thought there was "no compassion" in the tribute as they chimed: "They have enough to say normally spilling word salads and over emotional personal narratives and this !!!! ???? No soul no compassion". [sic]
While a third compared their note to that of former footballer David Beckham, 45, who shared a series of snaps of the Prince Philip, which he captioned: "My thoughts and sympathies go to Her Majesty The Queen and the Royal Family as we join them to mourn the loss of Prince Philip. A public figure to the world but first a loving husband, father and grandfather.
"Today is a day to remember his life and incredible service to Britain and around the world. Rest In Peace Your Highness".
The fan commented: "Bloody hell, David Beckham managed more emotion in his Instagram post. Cooperate or what. These two really do think they’re the stars of the show don’t they. Who are they to even thank him for his service. They’re not the Queen." [sic]
However, others were adamant that everyone grieves in their own way and that people shouldn't be too quick to judge.
"For all those people who are criticizing their statement, we all grieve differently, leave them alone," one person wrote.
A second said: "This is not enough, anything more would be too much. They can't win. They are honoring his life of service. What more is needed considering he lived to see 99 years. I send my Condolences," [sic] followed by a praying hands emoji and a broken heart emoji.
While a third added: "It's a great statement, Prince Philip took pride as a naval officer and Harry knew that. Also obviously they won't want to overshadow the situation by posting something highly emotional."
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The queen and Prince Philip were in their private drawing room on the Royal Britanica when a young junior officer entered with a tray of biscuits. The ship gave a sudden lurch and the officer lost his footing, sending the biscuits hurtling all over the carpet. The officer went scarlett, speechless with embarassment. The queen stared at him nonplussed. Prince Phillip saw the young man's misery and acted at once to defuse the situation. Diving down he gathered up a few biscuits and turned to his wife and grinned : "I've got my share. Yours my dear are still down there."
The queen burst into peals of laughter and the officer, relieved not to be given a royal reprimand, sheepishly backed out of the room.
Prince Phillip was a man of his generation: Tough, disciplined, proud and loyal to a fault, believing that loyalty whether to one's regiment or country was the hallmark of a man's character. His outspoken nature and off the cuff remarks often came under critique from a later generation. But no one can deny that he was man enough to walk behind the queen and support her throughout his life. My heart goes out to her. She must feel so alone.
yes, it takes a big man to walk behind his wife for 70 years and never complain about it publicly
In the interesting oberservations across the Pond: clicked on the DrudgeReport to pull up The Sun, and scanned the article. The balcony picture showing the family did not include the wife of the prodigal grandson. Hmmmmmmm.
Yeah. Right. Maybe keeping their mouths shut instead of rubbing their behinds all over the situation like a mangy alley cat would have kept them from overshadowing the situation. It disgusts me that their statement is in the headlines. Very telling that Scoobie drew attention to it. No one would have noticed otherwise.
I just saw this on Twitter, and figured I would share, perfect example of the passive aggressive/low-key insult MeGainTheActress attempted to convey in their statement.
https://twitter.com/PeteyR13/status/1380590041051897863?s=20
This is her statement regarding a supreme court justice (to whom she’s not related and doesn’t know)....
In a statement provided to PEOPLE, the Duchess of Sussex said Ginsburg was “a true inspiration” for her. “With an incomparable and indelible legacy, Ruth Bader Ginsburg will forever be known as a woman of brilliance, a Justice of courage, and a human of deep conviction,” Meghan said. “She has been a true inspiration to me since I was a girl. Honor her, remember her, act for her.”
Vs...
“In loving memory of His Royal Highness, the Duke of Edinburgh, 1921-2021. Thank you for your service… you will be greatly missed.”
What a sicko. She has the soul of a dumpster fire.
https://mobile.twitter.com/scobie/status/1380555447367831554
If this is true, then I have no words ....
I said up thread that it was obvious Philip’s demise was near just by looking at Charles’ face when he visited him in hospital. The BlindGossip piece could only be true, they’ve got it right on numerous occasions. So we all know Harry didn’t care one jot when he threw his family under a bus, when he knew his grandfather was dying.
Yes this is so laughable isn't it? Or it would be if we felt like laughing at the moment. Everything they do is highly emotional and attempts to overshadow anything the Royal Family may be doing. And I don't know what the hell they were playing at with that interview then.
I realise they had no control over when the interview went out but they shouldn't have done it in the first place. Prince Philip was a dying man when they first started planning it and the Queen was coping with the prospect of losing the most important person in her life. There are no words to express my contempt for them both.
Sorry. As the news we received today gradually sinks in, my anger with the Sussexes deepens. I know it is not the right time to bear grudges. We should be celebrating Prince Philip's achievements and loyalty. He never let the Queen down and he never let us down.
Worms, especially earthworms are actually quite harmless.Not like The Arsenic Arseholes. I prefer the term ' bottom feeder '.
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I wonder if William will throw down the gauntlet and refuse to let The One With No Bollocks attend. Perhaps there will be movement behind the Palace and an excuse will be given. For example, the pillow is making its` impending arrival and The One With No Bollocks can not leave Number One bottom feeder alone.
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I am sure if The One With No Bollocks shows up he will be booed, and perhaps pelted with things. And yes, if he does show it will overshadow HRH Prince Philips sendoff.
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Such a bloody disgrace.
This is what I was meaning to write earlier....somehow I knew pomp and circumstance just wasn’t right, my foggy head strikes again! Lol lol I would hope Philip would at least see the gaffe and humour within it!
It really saddens me to agree with you, not you per se but your opinion on this, I just don't understand why anyone would throw their family under a bus at anytime, let alone when their grandad is near end of life, I just don't get it, don't think I ever will
Of course, some psychologists say they they are so badly damaged they have no choice in the matter. Compelled by their inner demons they embrace the nasty option.
Presumably they'd have to call in some favours if they need a pj at short notice. I wonder who might feel able to oblige? I can't imagine Charles much wanting to see them as together they're likely to press their own agenda, hoping to put the financial screws on him. Just what he needs.
@JennS - thank you so much for Valentine Low's article. I'm so glad Prince Philip will be buried with the Queen when her time comes, close to her father George VI and her mother. Much more fitting.
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You're welcome - I thought that news would be comforting. No Frogmore for Phillip.
Valentine Low has done a great job writing a whole series of sensitive and interesting articles on Prince Philip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r92gf7KWLFM&t=55s&ab_channel=AntPDC
I Philip, Duke of Edinburgh , do become your liege man of life and limb, and of earthly worship; and faith and truth will I bear unto you, to live and die, against all manner of folks. So help me God
Pity MM didn't use her as her role model. During the war, she worked with the Resistance. I wonder if she ignored her because she didn't fit MM's earlier `identity'?
I learned a lot of him and HM from this article, accurate? Enjoyed the many pictures as well.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-09/prince-philip-the-duke-of-edinburgh-dies-obituary/11866000
RIP Prince Philip
https://www.newscenter1.tv/content/uploads/2021/04/i/x/prince-philip-1024x683.jpg
The “thank you for your service” comment from —— today is disgusting. The pair of them are emotionless, hollow creatures and I pray they are kept far away.
The caring, sincere sentiments of the greater world will down their ugliness.
Thank you for posting the Valentine Low article. I look forward to reading it with the glass of wine I plan to raise in Philip’s honor.
https://blindgossip.com/they-knew-the-end-was-here/#more-102308
See waitrose.com
@Opus - at Castle Drogo (NT) there's a little room with all sorts of period junk in it, including the same model of electric radiogram as my parents bought in 1934. Every radio station of the times mentioned - Athlone Daventry Droitwich Hilversum Luxembourg seem to be the ones that stick in the memory. The set had a very particular smell, as does the one at Castle Drogo - one sniff and I'm back in our `Front Room', used only on Sundays.
But a troubling thought is Meghan bringing out 'archie' during this time, perhaps being spotted in London, to steal press away from the RF.
@JennS,
Thank you for posting the Valentine Low article. I look forward to reading it with the glass of wine I plan to raise in Philip’s honor.
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Valentine has been busy - he now has 12 separate Prince Phillip articles out! I've pasted 3 of them here and will take a look and choose some others to also include. Hope you have a nice relaxing read along with your wine.
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"Prince Harry has spoken to senior members of the Royal Family as he plans his return to Britain for Prince Philip’s funeral- but pregnant Meghan Markle will stay in the US.
The Duke of Sussex is said to be making arrangements for his first trip home since the pair quit royal life and moved out to California, as well as their interview with Oprah last month.
Meghan is expected to skip the journey and stay in their California home as she is pregnant with the couple’s second child.
Sources say Prince Harry has already spoken to family members including Prince Charles, Beatrice and Eugenie, according to the Mirror.
The source said: 'He said he wants to be with everyone and was already making arrangements to come home.' "
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What nerve.
Exeter has a public museum in Albert's honour , just the sort of thing that would appeal to Philip, but his lasting memorial is his Award scheme, no exhibits, just youngsters expanding their horizons and learning how to be useful members of society.
From the London Times series of stories on the Duke of Edinburgh by Valentine Low:
DUKE OF EDINBURGH
Prince Philip was a man determined to make an impact
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-philip-was-a-man-determined-to-make-an-impact-jtg3stdl0
Part 1
Valentine Low
Friday April 09 2021
Shortly before the Duke of Edinburgh turned 90, Buckingham Palace put out an announcement that he was reducing the number of organisations and charities with which he was involved. He gave up a couple of university chancellorships — at Edinburgh, held since 1952, and Cambridge, held since 1976 — and stepped down as patron of a number of outfits including UK Athletics.
The interesting point about all of this was not so much that the duke was finally slowing down, but that as he entered his tenth decade he was still busier than men 20 years younger. As the palace pointed out, he was still associated with more than 800 organisations.
At the age when most men have long since retired, he was not much of a pipe and slippers man. But, even as a younger man, Prince Philip was far from the traditional royal figurehead, turning up to cut a ribbon, shake a few hands and go on his way. Philip got involved, providing a pithy and focused input that often left those unused to his ways somewhat shellshocked.
His name will forever be associated with the Duke of Edinburgh’s Award, now operating in 141 countries and territories and an almost essential part of every ambitious teenager’s CV. About 2.5 million young people have received awards in the UK alone. It is hard to imagine now that when it was first conceived in 1956 it was seen as a pioneering experiment that was intruding on territory already occupied by organisations such as the Scouts. Sir David Eccles, then the minister of education, told the duke: “I hear you’re trying to invent something like the Hitler Youth.”
Although the scheme was not his idea — its creator was Kurt Hahn, the visionary educationalist who was his headmaster at Gordonstoun — its success was due in no small part to Prince Philip’s energy and commitment. He handed out the Gold awards well into his nineties, attended fundraising meetings, chaired the biennial council meeting and offered a constant stream of advice, help and encouragement. But the duke was not someone to stand on ceremony: at the council lunch, an open buffet, he would queue for his meal like everyone else.
His desire to have an impact started early in his marriage, when he took on the presidencies of the London Federation of Boys’ Clubs and the National Playing Fields Association (NPFA), now Fields in Trust. Mike Parker, his good friend and private secretary from that time, said: “He wanted to make a difference and, if necessary, he was ready to make a noise.”
With the NPFA he went at the task, in the words of one palace observer, “like a bull at a gate”. He came up with the idea of a £500,000 appeal fund to build new playing fields and sports facilities throughout the country, and unnerved palace officials by agreeing to go on film with the appeal. The film was shown at every cinema in the country; Philip wrote his own script. He even proved skilful at getting stars to help out, persuading Frank Sinatra to donate the royalties from two of his bestselling records to the fund. When Philip got Sinatra and his wife at the time, Ava Gardner, to perform at a midnight fundraiser, it was an association that prompted a sniffy reaction among more snobbish circles.
Gyles Brandreth, who first came across the duke at the NPFA, once wrote: “He is a fearless and effective fundraiser and an intelligent and persuasive leader, with an unnerving eye for detail (and flannel and flimflam), who is at his best when given a problem to solve, a difficult meeting to chair, an internal row requiring resolution.”
He would pack his schedule with meetings, speeches, lunches, banquets, informal talks. When he retired, Buckingham Palace revealed that he had undertaken 22,191 solo engagements, made 637 overseas visits, given 5,493 speeches and written 14 books. He was colonel-in-chief of eight regiments, and patron of no fewer than 20 cricket organisations.
This was not just turning up: wherever he got involved, he made his presence felt. His frankness could border on rudeness, and he got people’s hackles up on too many occasions to count. But he motivated people, he got results and, as his biographer John Parker noted, at the end of the day those who had suffered the rough edge of his tongue “regardless of any abuse he may have handed them . . . all turned round and said what a nice chap he was”.
One of his great passions was wildlife. He was a fervent believer in conservation long before it became fashionable. He took over from Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands as international president of the World Wildlife Fund (later the World Wide Fund for Nature), who saw that they needed someone who had an entrée to heads of state and government ministers. He also took over from him at the helm of the International Equestrian Federation.
The duke was an ideal choice in Prince Bernhard’s view because he had the enthusiasm, contacts and international position which meant he would be listened to with respect. “Letters from him have to be answered. People have to respond to him,” Bernhard said. As Philip himself admitted: “It would be foolish to deny that a title always looks good at the head of a charity.”
At the WWF, Philip ensured he made a difference. He arranged that its 25th anniversary should be held in Assisi — home of St Francis, patron saint of birds and animals — to forge a permanent alliance between conservation and religion. Later, when the Pope included an ecological passage in his Christmas broadcast, the duke made sure that the WWF gave a proper response.
Over the years there were significant changes in the duke’s attitude to nature. “The younger duke,” Tim Heald wrote in his biography, “is excited by the sheer adventure of discovery.” His writing is “exuberant, curious, funny but seldom contemplative or reflective”.
Thirty years later Philip was talking about man’s relationship to the natural world. “If God is in nature, nature itself becomes divine, and from that point it becomes reasonable to argue that reverence for God and nature implies a responsibility not to harm it, not just for our own selfish interests, but also as a duty to the creator.”
Such passages revealed a more thoughtful Philip, the same man, perhaps, whose extensive library of more than 11,000 books included not only works on conservation, science, engineering and the navy, but several hundred volumes on religion.
As well as a keen conservationist, the duke was an avid follower of country sports, a combination of enthusiasms that many have seen as inconsistent, if not hypocritical. The duke, naturally, had little time for what he saw as the ill-informed, urban views of the anti-bloodsport lobby. Big game hunting was harder to defend, however: there was a considerable fuss back home during a tour of India when he and the Queen were photographed with the tiger he had shot. This was in 1961, the same year he became British president of the WWF. It was, as far as is known, the last tiger he killed.
His interest in country sports began when his four sisters all married landowners with large estates in Germany. He wrote: “There was nothing I enjoyed more than going out with my brothers-in-law in the early mornings, or just before dusk, to sit up with them for a roe-buck or to creep through the tall pines in the morning twilight in the hope of hearing and tracking down a capercailzie as it greeted the rising sun with its strange clucking display.”
His other great interest was in scientific and technological research and development, having been variously the president of the British Association for the Advancement of Science, the initiator of a designer’s prize with the Design Council, the president of the Council of Engineering Institutions and, indeed, more other bodies than there is space to mention. At the age of 93 he was still engaged enough to write an article for the New Scientist in praise of engineers: making a noise, as Mike Parker said, just as long as he could.
As he told the BBC, his passion for engineering dated from the end of the war when it dawned on him that engineers were vital in getting Britain back on its feet. “It seemed to me that the thing that really needed encouragement was manufacturing, which was always dependent on engineering, to try and recover from the war,” he told Today on BBC Radio 4. “We were completely skint, seriously badly damaged. It seemed to me the only way we were going to recover a sort of viability was through engineering.”
He retained a lifelong interest in industry. Inspired by overseas visits and a realisation that working and living conditions were often less than adequate, in 1956 he set up the Commonwealth Study Conferences, which are designed to get people from all walks of life to examine the relationship between industry and the community. They are still going today.
When he announced his official retirement from public life in May 2017 — at a time when he was still associated with more than 780 organisations — a host of charities thanked him for fighting their corner over the years, from Book Aid International, which supplies libraries across Africa, to Muscular Dystrophy UK.
It was not only the big names who had cause to be grateful. Among the smaller charities and groups that enjoyed his support was the Accrington Camera Club in Lancashire, of which he was a life member from 1977. Harry Emmett from the club said at the time: “We wrote on the off chance to see if he would like to submit any photos he had taken to an exhibition we were having. The next thing we knew, the curator of the gallery hosting the exhibition had a call from Buckingham Palace checking if we were genuine. A caseload of prints he had taken on holiday were later delivered. The great thing about it was, it was something that he had a passion for, a hobby that he was sharing with others rather than just being a figurehead.
“Since then he’s remained a member, which we’re very grateful for and which has given us great bragging rights over other camera clubs. Having his name is the ultimate one-upmanship.”
Maybe American Nutties can give us an idea now and then how it is being reported stateside. We're all aware however, that there can be a big disconnect between the media with its dependence on pontificating celebrities and ordinary people focused on earning a living.
Loosely connected to that last point, I was upset to watch a well-received Elvis documentary last week in which CNN's Van Jones condemned Elvis at length for failing to get involved in 1960's political activism. Elvis was clear and polite about this whenever he was asked for his views. He said he was just an entertainer. His aim in life was to make people happy. It was not his place to express views either way. Meaning he respected all his fans, not just those on one side of the political spectrum. He also had humility. Today's patronising, ill-informed, arrogant celebrities don't know the meaning of the word. If they had shown Elvis-style restraint (the only context in which I would apply such a word to him!), instead of wading in on the Sussex side without bothering to do their homework first, we'd all be better off.
I suspect it was that the attempts to tell him or them were viewed as propaganda to keep me/us from doing what we want/being able to to show the world who we really are.
You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink. And, maybe just maybe, part of why the recent calls from the PC/PW were viewed as not productive was not just that the UK response was no more money but that they tried to get him to return before it was too late (but if you think that is a ruse, then you aren't like to be willing to buy into it no matter how pleading the pitch the first or second or 15th time).
What is clear is that the her reign would have been very very different had anyone else would have become her consort. I sad at his passing (and have been worried about what would happen now when it did).
side note: when a long time spouse passes, sometimes the partner passes very quickly (why in the US there some allowance for within like a month for an estate to be treated as one instead of two. The other is for the remaining partner to wait for some special calendar date and then pass. One of my grandparents passed and the other did not pass until after the other's birthday and then their wedding anniversary.
JennS. Thank you for the Times article. In part two, where the plans were years in the making brought back lovely memories of a grandparent. When the funeral home was called to let them know of the passing, my family asked if they had anything on file about the ideas of what they wanted for a funeral. Deep breath and then: "Oh yes. We have have some notes which started over 30 years ago which have been updated periodically." They had a thick file almost an inch thick. Thank you for bringing that back to me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0JvF9vpqx8
(This would be a great video to edit and put the bint in the blue dress, William as Tom Petty, the rest of the family as guests at the tea party and the village idiot in the pram.)
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1953: The Crowning Year of Sport by Jonathan Rice, (2003)
British Flags and Emblems by Graham Bartram, Tuckwell Press (2004) ISBN 978-1862322974
Chariots of War by Robert Hobson, Ulric Publication (2004) ISBN 978-0954199715
RMS Queen Mary 2 Manual: An Insight into the Design, Construction and Operation of the World's Largest Ocean Liner by Stephen Payne, Haynes Publishing (2014)
The Triumph of a Great Tradition: The Story of Cunard's 175 Years by Eric Flounders and Michael Gallagher, Lily Publications (2014) ISBN 978-1906608859
Earlier I was listening to news radio and he was featured heavily and with respect. Zero mention of the Monsters of Montecito. I was also surprised to learn a few miles from me is the British Commonwealth club, largest in United States! I went to their website to see what they were all about and was just a bunch of posts regarding food, no mention of motto or purpose. Odd. Had I known I would have tried their fish and chips during Lent but must admit their "mushy peas" has left me intrigued.
Maybe in a.m. I will check out morning news.
Elvis had it right. Nothing turns me off more than celebrities inserting themselves into current events, or sports figures for that matter. Taking a knee during national anthem makes my blood boil, you're at work. Protest on your own time or better yet, from another country that doesn't disgust you.
This is MMs tribute to Ruth Bader Ginsburg, a woman she had never met:
"In the statement provided to People, Markle reveals that Ginsburg was a "true inspiration" to her.
"With an incomparable and indelible legacy, Ruth Bader Ginsburg will forever be known as a woman of brilliance, a Justice of courage, and a human of deep conviction," Markle said.
"She has been a true inspiration to me since I was a girl. Honor her, remember her, act for her," the Duchess of Sussex continued."
Compare that to the touching tribute for a grandfather, a mentor, and importantly..a man who loved H.
"In loving memory of his royal highness, The Duke of Edinburgh, 1921-2021," reads the page. "Thank you for your service...you will be greatly missed."
23 lousy words.
And was "his royal highness" not capitalized? Shouldnt it be?
An insulting oversight that would not be made for Them (if they could use the HRH
Anonymous Houseplant has a great story about Philip playing with a lonely JFK Jr when tge boy was lonely while Philip was in DC for JFKs funeral. A very sweet picture of him holding Philips hand at an event.
https://www.tumblr.com/blog/view/anonymoushouseplantfan
Donald Trump on Prince Philip: He 'Defined British Dignity and Grace'
By Newsmax Wires | Friday, 09 April 2021 02:13 PM
Former President Donald Trump issued a statement Friday commemorating Britain's Prince Philip, who died at age 99:
"The world mourns the passing of Prince Philip, a man who embodied the noble soul and proud spirit of the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth.
"Melania and I send our deepest and most profound condolences to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, and to the entire Royal Family. We send our most heartfelt sympathies to the British people. This is an irreplaceable loss for Great Britain, and for all who hold dear our civilization.
"Prince Philip defined British dignity and grace. He personified the quiet reserve, stern fortitude, and unbending integrity of the United Kingdom.
"As a young man, he served Britain honorably and courageously as a naval officer in the Second World War. Aboard battleships in the Mediterranean, he saw combat at sea. He then participated in the pivotal Allied invasion of Sicily in 1943. Like so many of his generation, in Britain’s darkest hour, he put his life on the line for God, country, and the values of freedom and self-government that forever unite America and the United Kingdom.
"For seven decades, Prince Philip brought the same sense of duty and purpose to his role as consort and husband to the Queen. He was admired by his fellow citizens, and respected by everyone around the world. His exceptional example of service, constancy, and patriotism will be his greatest legacy.
"Over the past few years, Melania and I were honored to have the opportunity to visit the United Kingdom. We saw firsthand how the Monarchy epitomizes and carries on the virtues of the British People—and no one did so more than Prince Philip.
"As we grieve his loss, we celebrate his memory and rededicate ourselves to the values to which he devoted his extraordinary life. He will be greatly missed."
https://www.newsmax.com/us/donald-trump-prince-philip/2021/04/09/id/1017016/
I'm glad you're enjoying the articles.
I'm wondering if Harry avoided going back to see his grandfather for a number of reasons...
-the unjustified anger he feels towards the family
-fear of facing his family
-MM didn't want him to go
-and I'm guessing the biggest reason of all is he would miss out on all the activities he has participated in during the same time span...the obtaining and starting of his two jobs, the negotiating of the Invictus Netflix deal, and the Oprah interview! His behavior has been despicable and I think he will regret not seeing his Grandfather before he died!
Thank you for the google map to Windsor. I have studied them numerous times on google earth but they don't identify all the buildings. You can see additional smaller structures but it is not possible to see what they are. The system doesn't allow for "walking" around the area via google.
According to Page Six of the NYPost, Catherine’s parents will accompany WIlliam and Catherine to the funeral.
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Just H is not caught between a rock and a hard place. He has no right to attend his grandfather’s funeral. I am not a fly on the wall, listening to private conversations regarding Just H, and the Royal family. However, I read and hear what is spoken and written in public.
Just H is no longer a member of the Royal family. He is no longer anything.
There is the saying that every functional family will be dysfunctional. Each human is different from other humans. (I would have passed my Eton exams with that sentence).
Just loser H is not worth to read about anymore. The public are reading the obits of Prince Philip, and re or discovering his remarkable life. Just H is nothing but a poor shadow of a human being. He has no honor. He is not to be pitied, but to be despised. There is no excuse for a grown man to try and destroy his family, country and its citizens, and for what!? His mummy was forced to sleep with married men? Three so far in England, at least one married American man. And wow, he walked behind her casket? I was a child when I picked up a shovel of dirt to put on my sibling’s grave. Heartbreaking but one moves on.
I cannot believe that the Markles will ever come back to the U.K. Americans, who are the only “fans” (Kardashian-like fans) will soon find out, that H is dumb, boring, fake, and most of all - what Americans despise, is he is a traitor. Traitor. Americans hate traitors. Americans look at the Royal family as a secure part of the world, when everything else is going crazy. Americans love pageantry, and respect the Queen. Just H has no voice anymore. Every day he grows physically uglier, and just plain boring. We write and gossip about him, but it is really just a sport or hobby. H is yesterday, Everything H and Markle do turns into a bust. Who in their right mind would spit and pi.s on their family in a lying interview? For shame.
Just H, stay home. If you happen to think that appearing at your grandfather’s funeral will make your shadow brighten by being related to a great man, you are wrong. You will not be seen, photographed, or allowed to walk behind Prince Philip)s casket. You are a shameful, awful person, and
They would also wish to protect him from any last-minute drama in person. By all accounts he had a peaceful final couple of weeks. Hopefully the Sussex venom left him untouched at the end.
I left a not so nice statement at the Archewell Foundation website.
I am not sorry.
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Thank you for doing this. I am furious at them for their insensitivity but refuse to visit the site.
King asked the guest if Philip's death was from "natural causes"!
watch it yourself here
https://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/1421180/CBS-news-Gayle-King-Prince-Philip-outrage-cause-of-death-Meghan-Markle-twitter-news-latest
https://meaww.com/harry-meghan-prince-philip-tribute-slammed-twitter-reactions-disrespectful
Prince Philip's greatest quotes and funny moments
The Duke of Edinburgh was always known for speaking his mind
"British women can't cook" (in Britain in 1966).
"What do you gargle with? Pebbles?" (speaking to singer Tom Jones after the 1969 Royal Variety Performance).
"I declare this thing open, whatever it is." (on a visit to Canada in 1969).
"Everybody was saying we must have more leisure. Now they are complaining they are unemployed" (during the 1981 recession).
"If it has got four legs and it is not a chair, if it has got two wings and it flies but is not an aeroplane, and if it swims and it is not a submarine, the Cantonese will eat it." (at a 1986 World Wildlife Fund meeting).
"It looks like a tart's bedroom." (on seeing plans for the Duke and Duchess of York's house at Sunninghill Park in 1988).
"Yak, yak, yak; come on get a move on." (shouted from the deck of Britannia in Belize in 1994 to the Queen who was chatting to her hosts on the quayside).
"We didn't have counsellors rushing around every time somebody let off a gun, asking 'Are you all right? Are you sure you don't have a ghastly problem?' You just got on with it." (about the Second World War commenting on modern stress counselling for servicemen in 1995).
"How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to get them through the test?" (to a driving instructor in Oban, Scotland, during a 1995 walkabout).
"If a cricketer, for instance, suddenly decided to go into a school and batter a lot of people to death with a cricket bat, which he could do very easily, I mean, are you going to ban cricket bats?" (in 1996, amid calls to ban firearms after the Dunblane shooting).
"Bloody silly fool!" (in 1997, referring to a Cambridge University car park attendant who did not recognise him).
"Deaf? If you are near there, no wonder you are deaf." (to young deaf people in Cardiff, in 1999, referring to a school's steel band).
"They must be out of their minds." (in the Solomon Islands, in 1982, when he was told that the annual population growth was 5 per cent).
"You are a woman, aren't you?"(In Kenya, in 1984, after accepting a small gift from a local woman).
"Your country is one of the most notorious centres of trading in endangered species in the world." (in Thailand, in 1991, after accepting a conservation award).
"Oh no, I might catch some ghastly disease." (in Australia, in 1992, when asked to stroke a Koala bear).
"You can't have been here that long - you haven't got a pot belly." (to a Briton in Budapest, Hungary, in 1993).
"Aren't most of you descended from pirates?" (to a wealthy islander in the Cayman Islands in 1994).
"You managed not to get eaten, then?" (suggesting to a student in 1998 who had been trekking in Papua New Guinea that tribes there were still cannibals).
In Germany, in 1997, he welcomed German Chancellor Helmut Kohl at a trade fair as "Reichskanzler" - the last German leader who used the title was Adolf Hitler.
"You're too fat to be an astronaut." (to 13-year-old Andrew Adams who told Philip he wanted to go into space. Salford, 2001).
"I wish he'd turn the microphone off." (muttered at the Royal Variety Performance as he watched Sir Elton John perform, 2001).
"Do you still throw spears at each other?" (In Australia in 2002 talking to a successful aborigine entrepreneur).
"You look like a suicide bomber." (to a young female officer wearing a bullet-proof vest on Stornoway, Isle of Lewis, in 2002).
"Do you know they're now producing eating dogs for anorexics?" (to a blind woman outside Exeter Cathedral, 2002).
"Well, you didn't design your beard too well, did you?" (to designer Stephen Judge about his tiny goatee beard in July 2009).
"There's a lot of your family in tonight." (after looking at the name badge of businessman Atul Patel at a Palace reception for British Indians in October 2009).
"Do you work in a strip club?" (to 24-year-old Barnstaple Sea Cadet Elizabeth Rendle when she told him she also worked in a nightclub in March 2010).
"Do you have a pair of knickers made out of this?" (pointing to some tartan to Scottish Conservative leader Annabel Goldie a papal reception in Edinburgh in September 2010).
"Bits are beginning to drop off." (on approaching his 90th birthday, 2011).
"How many people have you knocked over this morning on that thing?" (meeting disabled David Miller who drives a mobility scooter at the Valentine Mansion in Redbridge in March 2012).
"I would get arrested if I unzipped that dress." (to 25-year-old council worker Hannah Jackson, who was wearing a dress with a zip running the length of its front, on a Jubilee visit to Bromley, Kent, in May 2012).
"The Philippines must be half empty as you're all here running the NHS." (on meeting a Filipino nurse at a Luton hospital in February 2013).
"Most stripping is done by hand." (to 83-year-old Mars factory worker Audrey Cook when discussing how she used to strip or cut Mars Bars by hand in April 2013).
"(Children) go to school because their parents don't want them in the house." (prompting giggles from Malala Yousafzai, who survived an assassination attempt by the Taliban after campaigning for the right of girls to go to school without fear - October 2013).
"Just take the f***ing picture." (losing patience with an RAF photographer at events to mark the 75th anniversary of the Battle of Britain - July 2015).
"You look starved." (to a pensioner on a visit to the Charterhouse almshouse for elderly men - February 2017)
"I'm just a bloody amoeba." (on the Queen's decision that their children should be called Windsor, not Mountbatten).
"Gentlemen, I think it is time we pulled our fingers out."(to the Industrial Co-Partnership Association on Britain's inefficient industries in 1961).
"Are you asking me if the Queen is going to die?" (on being questioned on when the Prince of Wales would succeed to the throne).
"If the man had succeeded in abducting Anne, she would have given him a hell of a time while in captivity." (On a gunman who tried to kidnap the Princess Royal in 1974).
"If it doesn't fart or eat hay, she's not interested." (on the Princess Royal).
"When a man opens a car door for his wife, it's either a new car or a new wife." (on marriage).
"It's a pleasant change to be in a country that isn't ruled by its people." (to Alfredo Stroessner, the Paraguayan dictator).
"Where did you get that hat?" (supposedly to the Queen at her Coronation).
@Girl with a Hat,
Fantastic to read to those quotes. Thank you. Ah, Philip.
https://www.ibtimes.com/prince-harry-meghan-markles-tribute-prince-philip-criticized-twitter-cold-3178300
What do you bet Meghan wrote it herself in five seconds and just put it on there? It has her hallmark, just as the original disrespectful message about service did, although that one felt like a joint production.
I visualise her there, salivating at her laptop with her damned grid, ready to snap back with maximum insolence. At times like this she'll be on 24-hour alert.
How she will dislike Harry being out of her immediate control. How will he manage without her clinging to him with both hands? However, Harry has proved to be her equal in the worst possible sense. She has no need to worry.
10 things you might not know about Prince Philip
Part 1
By Claudia Rowan
The life of the Duke of Edinburgh was marked by his sense of duty. The longest-serving British consort, Prince Philip completed over 22,000 royal engagements before his retirement in 2017. At one event, he jokingly described himself as “the world’s most experienced plaque-unveiler”.
The Duke was affiliated with over 750 organisations and he made more than 5,000 speeches in his six decades of service. Alongside his work for The Duke of Edinburgh's Award, which he founded in 1956, Prince Philip maintained a keen interest in wildlife conservation, scientific research and the Armed Forces. Also known for speaking his mind and for having a blunt sense of humour, the Duke has been described as one of the funniest royals.
Here are 10 things you might not know about Prince Philip’s remarkable life.
Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, Earl of Merioneth and Baron Greenwich, was born on a kitchen table in Corfu at villa ‘Mon Repos’ (the Greek royals’ summer home) on June 10, 1921. His royal connections began long before his marriage to The Queen in 1947: he was the only son and youngest child of Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark, and Princess Alice of Battenberg. From birth, Prince Philip – then the Prince of Greece and Denmark – was in the line of succession for both thrones.
After his uncle, King Constantine I, was forced to abdicate, an 18-month-old Prince Philip was evacuated from Greece on the British Navy ship, HMS Calypso. He was carried to safety in a makeshift cot made from an orange box. Philip’s father, Prince Andrew (known as Andrea), was arrested but ultimately banished into exile. The family settled in Paris, where the young Prince attended The Elms, an English-speaking school, before moving to England and Scotland for further education.
In 1937, Prince Philip’s older sister Cecile, who he was particularly close to, died in a plane accident. At the time, he was 16 and studying at Gordonstoun School. He was said to have “rarely spoken about” the tragedy.
The Prince first met the Queen when he was 14 – and she was eight – at the wedding of his cousin, Princess Marina of Greece to the Duke of Kent, in 1934. Elizabeth’s cousin Margaret Rhodes later wrote in her autobiography that the princess “was truly in love from the very beginning.” The young couple exchanged letters and crossed paths thereafter: he occasionally spent weekends and Christmases at Windsor, and was, according to Marion Crawford, Princess Elizabeth’s governess, “always in a hurry to see Lilibet”. The Prince proposed during the summer of 1946, and the wedding took place at Westminster Abbey on November 20, 1947. The couple were distant cousins – like his wife, Prince Philip was a great-great-grandchild of Queen Victoria.
During the Second World War, Prince Philip was decorated for his service with the Royal Navy. He was mentioned in dispatches for his bravery, which included manning HMS Valiant’s searchlights during the 1941 Battle of Matapan. As First Lieutenant of HMS Wallace in 1943, the Duke helped to save his ship from a night bomber attack. His wartime achievements also earned him the Greek War Cross of Valour.
In 1957, the Duke became the first member of the Royal Family to cross the Antarctic Circle. At the time, he was travelling around the world on HMY Britannia. The feat entitled him to join “The Order of the Red Nose”.
The Duke was a keen flyer, having gained his RAF wings in 1953, his helicopter wings in 1956 and his private pilot’s license in 1959. During his four-decade aviation career, he completed over 5000 hours of flying, and became the first royal to fly out of Buckingham Palace in a helicopter.
The Duke was the first royal to give a television interview, on the BBC’s Panorama in 1961. He was interviewed by Richard Dimbleby about the Commonwealth Technical Training Week and youth apprenticeships.
Prince Philip maintained a keen interest in art. The Duke was a patron and collector of the arts, and he enjoyed landscape oil painting and design. As well as collecting works by British and Commonwealth artists, the Prince appreciated political cartoons. In 2018, on the 30th anniversary of Matt as Telegraph cartoonist, the Duke paid tribute to the artist’s “genius”. In a hand-signed congratulatory message, Prince Philip wrote that Matt has “the ability to think of wonderfully appropriate swipes at the idiocies of contemporary life.”
The Duke was a published author. He wrote several books under his name, including Birds from Britannia (1962), Down to Earth (1988), and Survival or Extinction: A Christian Attitude to the Environment (1989).
I totally laughed out loud at some of those!
🤣💓🤣
Of course I'm aware that it's risky for women in the last stages of pregnancy to fly, but I don't see what that has to do with Meghan.
Another observation after reading readers' comments ... many British people are in a difficult situation, vehemently opposed to her return yet condemning her for not returning. When driven to this much anger and frustration, as the Sussexes have done to this country, rationality goes out the window. In this surreal case mind you, perhaps opposing sides of an argument can both be right.
And Ava C...your comment re. Elvis. I couldn’t agree more and I applaud your portrayal. How insulting to Elvis! These days celebrities and entertainers are considered newsworthy for their views. Hell...many speak on the boob tubes from their news channels. It’s all so ludicrous these days.
I’d put nothing past Megs. She will make hay of the situation somehow. Just wait and see..
I’m beyond disgusted that Harrybis being allowed to return.
Thanks so much for the quotes, they will Help to keep Philip
vivid and compelling.
and
@Girl With A Hat
"Charming and chivalrous" indeed!
I am really enjoying the stories about Philip. I think that his charm and humility are so apparent that his gaffes are seen as an eccentricity instead of a character flaw.
Almost every comment I've read is mournful, respectful, and affectionate. There are a few evil trolls out, but even "the squad" has been doing some self-policing. I won't elaborate. I dont want to feed that energy.
Tomorrow will bring the flying monkeys, I fear.
I hope HM doesnt allow H to bunk at Windsor Castle. He is a snake and she is vulnerable, grieving. Surely everyone in the family (and the staff) will watch him carefully to prevent him attempting to influence her in some way.
I believe that H will show, sans MM. Failing to show would illustrate how deep the rift between H and the BRF is. The world expects him to go and H needs that Royal connection.
Secondly, H needs money desperately. He has been sent to collect whatever he can, and as far as the Sussexes are concerned , the issue of security is very much still on the table. He is going to be busy whispering into the ears that could help him.
Perhaps H and William will just go ahead and do the ceremoney for the statue of Diana. H is not going to be allowed two unescorted visits to the UK and the "babys" due date may be near the ceremony's date. If H comes, he drags a boatload of chaos with him. Just get it all over with at once, count the silver, and cut him loose.
I think it's better for MM to stay away. It would seem disrespectful for her to attend. She does not care at all about the RF. If she were to go it would only be to get the press and attention.
And I don't think she will show up.
She might remember the 2019 TTC balcony scene where the entire family ignored her in front of the whole world. She was 'forced' to pretend to talk to them for the sake of the photos being taken! Or the last Commonwealth event she attended in her green PREYing mantis dress when Kate and William looked so angry with them.
I'm not sure whether Harry will end up going - I lean towards thinking he will go...partly based on the info coming out about his plans and also because I think he knows he will regret it if he does not attend.
I posted quite a bit from both the Times and the Telegraph if you have a chance to go back through the thread. There has been a lot of interesting material to choose from.
I hope that if Harry does attend the family manages to get through the entire funeral and visit with Hazza without any issues. I don't know if I would ever trust him again. He could go back to the US and claim that they were unkind to him for whatever reason he dreams up next.
You are such a sweetheart to post those articles for us! They are always the articles we SHOULD be reading: usually balanced, always thoughtful, well-written, and generally
well-researched. Thank you for sharing those with us. And thank you for YOUR research, your willingness to watch the interviews and "documentaries", and your tenacity. I know personally I would miss so much if it weren't for you.
Honestly, the Sussex Saga would have driven me mad. if I couldn't come here and get a reality check.
Can you imagine being one of the family? I am sure the conversation at family dinners centers around whatever WTF situations the Sussexes have created recently.
You are so right about H having to be chaperoned while in the UK. He could show up with a camera crew and barge his way into palaces and events.
How sad the death of a great man is smudged by the juvenile antics of an ungrateful child.
Aside from when Queen passes, I cannot think of more iconic figure to pass in my lifetime. Certainly not one of same longevity.
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Quite but Captain Moore springs to mind. Someone the likes of whom we very rarely see and probably won't see again.
Reading the overnight posts - thank you for Prince Philip's greatest quotes. I haven't read the paper yet (Telegraph) but his quotes, some of which I remember now, brought a smile to my face.
Let me pile in then and say (in agreement with Ava C and Martha) that I take any attack on Elvis - as decent and patriotic an individual as one might reasonably and despite his wealth and fame be - personally and will always on his behalf kick back.
I see that Radio 3 is extending its morgue-fest until 11pm tonight. Will it like the lockdown ever end.
The coffin will be lowered into the Royal Vault and will remain there until the Queen dies and they are buried together in the memorial chapel.
Then further down the article it states... under a photo of Queen Victoria’s and Albert’s Mausoleum...
Prince Philip is expected to be buried in Frogmore Gardens in the grounds of Windsor Castle, the site of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert's mausoleum (pictured)
This level of conflicting reporting as to his burial place is extremely poor.
https://mol.im/a/5575883
Meghan won't go to the funeral but she'll send a Sympathy Banana with Harry to give to the Queen.
Me: she can probably fit "he will be missed" on it with her calligraphy skills.
One of my no1 husband's brother officers (Royal Engineers) was on secondment to the Public Service Agency (aka PSA), successor to the Ministry of Public Buildings and Works. I gather
he was with a PSA chap, inspecting some pipework in a back corridor of Buck House, when the PSA chap pulled him quickly out of the way.
The Duke was coming down the corridor at speed. As he passed by they heard,
`And where's our bloody Monarch got to now???!!!'
I also liked the story of how, one one occasion when they were young, he was seen to slap her on the bottom and chase her upstairs...
What a beautiful, moving tribute.
Thank you, Mr Trump.
That's actually a bit of a dilemma for the BRF now isn't it? If you were them and considering inviting him to stay out of sheer humanity. Quite apart from what he has done, he now has a hotline to Oprah and Gayle. A hotel is the only safe place but then they'll be condemned in the US for lack of sympathy and indirect racism because of his wife.
Still, Harry's already left all of them in the shadow of the 'R' card apart from the Queen and the now departed Prince Philip. He's shot his bolt now. The US will soon get tired of his bleating and move on. The BRF have already started, remembering the Queen and Prince Charles on their Spring walk in Frogmore gardens.
Yes Harry will come back going on and on about security and protection, as he must have already planned to do when he returned for Diana's statue, hence the spate of security alarm stories. The death of Prince Philip accelerated Harry's return, but royal hearts will be - because of their deep loss - even stonier than before. Harry should also realise that even if the BRF wanted to help him they couldn't, such is the weight of public opinion against him.
The truth behind Prince Philip's infamous 'spear' gaffe: Indigenous performer insisted the comment was not racist and said he had 'deep respect' for the Duke
Aboriginal dancer says Prince Philip was not being racist with 'spear' comment
Late royal asked performers in 2002 if they 'still throw spears at each other'
Warren Clements says he was 'taken out of context' and has 'deep respect'
By SAM MCPHEE FOR DAILY MAIL AUSTRALIA
PUBLISHED: 02:47 EDT, 10 April 2021
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9456269/The-truth-Prince-Philips-infamous-spear-gaffe-Aboriginal-dancer-Australia.html
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/04/09/21/41562288-9455329-image-m-5_1618001627480.jpg
Thank you to all who have been sharing articles, anecdotes, quotes and memories of Prince Philip. For some reason I have yet to visit any other blog sincelearning of his passing. Just doesn't feel right. Sure to catch up in coming days, but for now ..
thank you everyone and to Nutty and mods (Charade and Abbyh) This really is special spot. I offer my sympathies to not only RF but to each of you as well.
Just out of curiosity, is it likely that Prince Charles and Prince William will be wearing military uniforms to service?
Channel 4 News specifically excluded any kind of military funeral based on information from the Palace. No state funeral and nothing at all military, which the reporter Gary Higgins said was "extraordinary" given Prince Philip's naval career.
Of course it was his wish to have a low-key funeral but I noted that those who like bashing Prince Philip for "casual racism" (like the CNN site today who have that aspect as the second headline about Prince Philip), are tending to omit the fact that it was the Prince's own wish, thereby very subtly suggesting he is being buried quietly as an embarrassing relic. They kindly note the pandemic as a P.S.
This is funny as well 😁
https://hg1.funnyjunk.com/large/pictures/c4/f4/c4f4e7_5523577.jpg
Unfortunately times, such as they are, everything gets viewed black - white. Media has done this. If not entirely, they sure are hellbent on stirring emotions and perpetuating divide. Damn shame
If Harry goes to England for the service, expect there to be some dramatic "security issue" in Montecito in which MM, fake Archie, and pillow have their lives threatened causing himto rush home. *huge eye roll emoji*
'm not sure where the discussion is on this thread re:Harry and quarantine. But as we've discussed before, he would have to self-isolate. See below. The "going to a funeral" exception doesn't apply to the whole trip-- just to the funeral. So how could he stay in someone's home? Even Frogmore Cott if rented to E&J?
"Mourners coming from outside England
If you have travelled to England from any country that is not exempt from the requirement to self-isolate, you are required to self-isolate from arrival and for the first full 10 days after you arrive. However, you can leave your place of self-isolation in limited circumstances, including on compassionate grounds. This includes attending a funeral of a household member, a close family member or a friend (if neither household member or close family member can attend the funeral)."
"You must continue to self-isolate at all other times."
"If you are arriving from a country that is not exempt from the requirement to self-isolate, you may be able to leave self-isolation at an earlier stage if you have participated in the Test to Release for International Travel Scheme."
From:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-guidance-for-managing-a-funeral-during-the-coronavirus-pandemic/covid-19-guidance-for-managing-a-funeral-during-the-coronavirus-pandemic
thank you for your reply. Disappointing but not surprising. I opted to not turn on tv. It is evident by outpouring of heartfelt condolences Prince Philip was a well respected man across political lines and race. MSM will taint that, just as your example illustrates.
My grandfather was Manx, and though people on the Isle of Man are VERY independent, he had a real soft spot for Philip. So did I. He was a real Renaissance man -- he excelled at basically every sport he tried, he was a dedicated conservationist, a talented artist, a gifted naval officer, a dedicated Christian, and a limitless source of support for his wife, always willing to be "the heavy" for her. His life was amazing -- it wasn't always easy, but his was a life well lived.
My brother wondered how much longer the queen will go on, as couples married as long as they were don't often outlive each other by very long. I foresee another sad, jolting change for the Commonwealth sooner rather than later, and it's one none of us are looking forward to, I'm sure.
The one good thing I can say about the pandemic -- it enabled Elizabeth and Philip to spend more time together in the last year than they probably had been able to in the 70 years previous. At least they had that.
I don't for a minute think that Meghan will step one ugly foot in England. Harry may, but I wish he wouldn't. He knew his grandfather's last days were upon him, and he spent them badmouthing the family publicly and whining about how badly everyone treated that bitch of a wife of his. Philip supposedly told him before he announced his engagement, "One steps out with actresses. One doesn't marry them." Harry should have listened.
I have one question. I read that supposedly Harry expects a big inheritance from his grandfather. Philip was basically penniless when he married Elizabeth. He'd been living on just his Navy pay. Where does Harry think Philip got some great amount of money to leave him? Is this just more of Harry's delusional behavior?
Heart is with the Queen. Don't leave us too soon, Ma'am, please. We are with you. We will be with you to the end.
Just want to thank everyone here, regardless of nation, for your respect at his death. It's truly lovely. And won't be forgotten.
With Philip, a symbol of old fashioned energetic manliness passing away, it just seems like the world is getting smaller and meaner because all the good men seem to be dying.
He may have had a salary as Ranger of Windsor. Previous consorts had generous allowances, but we don't know about his. The Prince Regent's SIL got 50,000 pounds a year even after Princess Charlotte died (until he became King Leopold of the Belgians, probably why the British supported his candidacy).
I never knew either of my grandfathers because they had both died before I was born, but if I had the chance to choose a substitute grandfather, Phillip would have been my choice.
In a way, as the two-steps behind husband of The Queen, Phillip could have been a nothingburger of a royal, but he wasn’t. He lead a productive life of service that encompassed a broad breadth of the world that was at his fingertips. He didn’t whine in self-pity about being trapped in his seemingly secondary role in the royal family. Like a true man, he saw the opportunities it presented and made his life something of value, not only for himself, but for countless others.
In a way, Phillip and Harry’s places in the royal family and life shared the parallel of both being what many would regard as secondary roles that were not important. Phillip grabbed the opportunities available to him by the horns and made something of his life. Harry didn’t. He ran away.
After reading about the full life Phillip had, Harry had SO MANY avenues available to him, and by her marriage to Harry, to Meghan too. But because Harry rushed into marriage to a person who had an ulterior motive that had nothing to do with fashioning roles similar to Phillip’s role,
the opportunity for Harry to lead a truly remarkable, positive life is being wasted.
What Phillip did with his life in a secondary role is a doubly sad stark contrast to his grandson in a similar position, who has wasted what was literally the opportunity of a lifetime. Instead of using Phillip as a model and mentor, Harry is conned by a shamelessly selfish, vapid, greedy gold digger whose depth can be measured in millimeters.
`I know, Harry, that you are very keen for me to remember you in my Will. I have. It's this -
` Just bugger off and take that appalling tart with you!''
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We have one very interesting piece of information to convey regarding the passing of this iconic figure.
All of his descendants were told over a month ago that this was the end.
Again, all of them were told. Over a month ago.
There was no pretence within the family that he was getting better and all were invited to pay their respects before he passed on.
The family kept that information private.
However, right after that happened, some family members chose to defiantly go ahead and seek publicity and sympathy for themselves in a very public forum.
In retrospect, the sequence of events and timing of that are really quite shocking.
No one in the family was under the illusion that he was going to get better and that there would be plenty of time to get together again at some point in the future.
So, did they all show up?
Almost all physically came to [his home] to be with the family and to support each other. The only exception was [redacted]. It was the choice of individual family members as to what they wanted to do, and [redacted] chose not to come in person.
So the entire family knew that the end was here… but some stayed home. You can decide for yourself whether or not that was a good decision on their part.
Our sincere condolences to the family.
The last paragraph killed me.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/09/opinion/prince-philip-dead.html?referringSource=articleShare
Prince Philip, the Man Who Walked Two Paces Behind the Queen
The Duke of Edinburgh understood that the rituals of monarchy were both ridiculous and necessary.
By Tina Brown
Ms. Brown is the author of “The Diana Chronicles” and the forthcoming book “The Palace Papers.”
April 9, 2021
Part One
In 1953, in the rustling, ermined silence of the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II at Westminster Abbey, the 31-year-old Philip Mountbatten, Duke of Edinburgh, removed his own coronet, knelt at the feet of the young woman he wed six years before, and swore an oath of allegiance. “I, Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, do become your liege man of life and limb and of earthly worship … so help me God.”
That Philip kept that oath for the next 68 years is a miracle not only of the modern monarchy but also of modern matrimony.
It wasn’t easy to assume a role in which he would always walk two paces behind his wife. Philip was the unsettling definition of a full-on alpha male: devastatingly handsome, vigorously self-assured, impatient with fools — and not just fools. When he leaned from his considerable height and bore down on a recalcitrant fact or factotum, it could be a shriveling experience for whoever had got it wrong.
“The queen must have understood from the beginning that this was a very, very strong character with a ramrod straight backbone, and he wasn’t going to be buggered about,” Sir Nicholas Soames, a friend of Prince Charles, told me.
This was no contrived union, like the disastrous marriage of Charles and Diana. It was a love match from the start. The queen had been crazy about him since 1939, when she was 13 and Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark, an 18-year-old Navy officer cadet, squired her around the Royal Naval College at Dartmouth.
In time, he fell in love with her, he told her in a 1946 letter quoted in Philip Eade’s biography, “completely and unreservedly.” When he proposed to her seven years later at Balmoral, neither her father, the king, nor the queen mother thought he was a safe bet. Philip may have been related to half the crowned heads of Europe, but his family had been booted into exile, and he was the penniless prince of nowhere.
From infancy, the trilingual Philip bounced among his European relatives. While at Gordonstoun, the spartan Scottish boarding school to which he was dispatched, he had no idea where he would be spending his school holidays. He signed the visitor’s book at country houses with the descriptor “of no fixed abode.”
The shy, observant Princess Elizabeth was undaunted. She saw in Philip the unflinching character who would be what she would call on their 50th anniversary “my strength and stay all these years.” The two were bonded by a sense of duty and a desire to serve that was framed by the war.
“His generation equated service to country as service to values he believed in,” Jamie Lowther-Pinkerton, a former private secretary to Princes William and Harry, said. Philip’s rootless royal past reinforced a conviction that the monarchy’s survival is built on and bounded by a commitment to duty.
Coddled by deference, Elizabeth trusted Philip’s subversive impatience. Surrounded by excruciating formality, she could always depend on him to make her laugh. His gift to her was the shared secret that the formalities were both utterly absurd and absolutely necessary. “She knew she would always get an honest answer from him,” Alastair Bruce, the governor of Edinburgh Castle and a documentarian, told me.
In return, she provided Philip with an emotional safe place his childhood lacked. Though his eye was rumored to rove, his devotion to the queen cannot be questioned. He completed more than 22,000 royal engagements on his own and accompanied the queen on all of her overseas tours. (“Don’t jostle the queen!” he would sometimes bark if the press got too close.)
He made comments that ranged from impolitic (“Your country is one of the most notorious centers of trading in endangered species,” he told his affronted hosts when accepting a conservation award in Thailand in 1991) to offensive (“Do you still throw spears at each other?” he asked Aboriginal elders on a trip with the queen to Australia in 2002). But the queen’s poker face in public was no guide to how she might have dryly chided him in private.
The marriage succeeded on strategy as much as love. The queen’s marital challenge was how to harness her husband’s prodigious energies in the service of the crown. The key to that was to avoid making him feel unmanned. There was a difficult passage in the early years, when he learned that his children would take the dynastic Windsor name, not his own. And there were few models then for how to build a marriage in which the balance of power was so entirely weighted toward a wife, unless you count Queen Victoria and Prince Albert.
With her customary quiet savviness, the queen found sly ways to manage her husband while she got on with weighty matters of state. She put him in charge of all the royal estates and houses, which he oversaw — as the queen mother put it sourly — like a “German junker,” and she deputed to him the big family decisions.
Elizabeth encouraged activities that made Philip feel autonomous: flying, polo, carriage driving. He drove a four-horse carriage around Windsor Great Park at the age of 97. He had a passion for technology. In more recent years, I am told, he extolled the joys of his Kindle until, disgusted by all the direct marketing of books he didn’t want to read, he threw it in the bath.
Philip was determined not to insert himself into the queen’s constitutional realm. Instead, he threw himself into a blizzard of nearly 800 charity chairmanships. His passion for conservation was ahead of the environmental curve.
In 2017, at the age of 95, Philip announced he was retiring from royal duties. At a cozy farmhouse on the Sandringham estate he read voraciously and painted watercolors. His withdrawal left a void for the palace as well as for the queen. There are many there who believe that the lack of his decisive presence at the center of the action is a key reason the Windsor family began again to go up in flames — first Prince Andrew’s imbroglio with sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and then the explosive revelations from Harry and Meghan in exile. But it’s hard to imagine that even Philip, the family enforcer, could have quenched this inferno.
For the queen, England’s traumatic ordeal with Covid brought an unexpected blessing. She was able to spend a year locked down at Windsor and Balmoral with the love of her life. In public, they permitted themselves no displays of affection, but in private, Mr. Bruce told me, they had a wonderful teasing intimacy. “They play off each other the way two people who love each other do, in a way that makes their inner sanctum very trusting,” he said.
In his decades as Elizabeth’s consort, Philip continued to seek ways to redefine the relevance of a modern monarchy and support her while carving out a hyperactive commitment to causes and interests of his own. Yet he never forgot his bond of duty. When he finally realized he was running out of steam, the queen’s frail liege lord of life and limb formally asked the monarch if she would release him from her service.
Gently, and with love, she let him go.
I think Elizabeth fell in love with him because he made her laugh.
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His medals, from left to right are
Queen’s Service Order, New Zealand: This is awarded by the Government of New Zealand for service to the country
1939-1945 Star: A campaign medal of the British Commonwealth awarded for service during the Second World War.
Atlantic Star: Awarded this in 1945 for service in the Atlantic during the Second World War
Africa Star: Awarded in 1945 for service in Africa during the Second World War
Burma Star (with Pacific Rosette): Awarded for service in the Burma Campaign in the Second World War
Italy Star: Awarded for service in Italy and surrounding areas in the Second World War
War Medal 1939-1945, with Mention in Dispatches: Awarded to those who served in the Armed Forces or Merchant Navy for at least 28 days between 1939-45. The oak leaf on the ribbon denotes the Mention in Despatches
King George VI Coronation Medal, 1937: These medals were made to commemorate the coronation of King George VI and Queen Elizabeth
Queen Elizabeth II Coronation Medal, 1953: A commemorative medal made to celebrate the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II
Queen Elizabeth II Silver Jubilee Medal, 1977: A commemorative medal created in 1977 to mark the 25th anniversary of the Queen’s accession to the throne
Queen Elizabeth II Golden Jubilee Medal, 2002: A commemorative medal created in 2002 to mark the 50th anniversary of the Queen’s accession to the throne
Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee Medal, 2012: A commemorative medal created last year to mark the 60th anniversary of the Queen’s accession to the throne
Canadian Forces Decoration (4 Bars): This honorary award was presented to the Duke in April 2015
New Zealand Commemoration Medal, 1990: This was awarded only during 1990 to around 3,000 people in recognition of contributions made to New Zealand life
Malta George Cross 50th Anniversary Medal, 1992: This is a commemorative medal awarded by, or in the name of, the President of Malta
Greek War Cross, 1950: This is awarded for heroism in wartime to both Greeks and foreign allies. The Duke earned his for his bravery in fighting the Italians when they invaded Greece in 1941.
Croix de Guerre (France) with Palm, 1948: A French military decoration to honour people who fought with the Allies against Axis nations in the Second World War.
The two crosses around his neck are the Order or Merit and the Royal Victoria Chain.
The three stars are the Orders of the Garter, Thistle and the Bath.
The Sash is the Order of the Garter
On the sash is his RAF flying wings
The gold cord on his shoulder shows he is an Aide de Camp
A friend in London went to Buckingham this morning at the insistence of her teen daughter; she has been surprised her daughter and the daughter’s school friends are so moved, as they never really spoke about the royals beyond news bits. The girls saw it as a love tragedy and felt scared for the Queen without him around. My friend and her husband are deeply saddened by this loss, and so they agreed to go. Outside Buckingham, they were astonished by the number of truly emotional young people, university age or early 20s, there to pay tribute and really in tears. She said snippets of conversations they overheard heartened her somewhat because there was so much concern for the Queen, somber young men saying Philip was “the man” and a group of young women saying this was about family. As they left the area they passed another group of young students and she said it struck her that all these unrelated students were showing proper respectfulness and were clearly moved, and his own grandson has behaved like an uncaring boorish assassin. The “service” comment infuriated her husband in particular.
Even people in America who I never knew followed the monarchy or would even care are emailing or texting things of the loss, deeply moved. His humor, stature and manliness left their mark. My favorite comment: “She is a great Queen, but he was a great leader too.”
If Harry shows up, I think he is going to go into a cognitive tailspin he isn’t ready for. What he placed in a trash can, the world loves.
Has anyone here made the journey to Buckingham or Windsor? Similar experience?
Welby’s personal background is a mess, his own life is about corporate greed and personal confusion, and above all he is a deceptive, sneaky, self-interested weasel. The more I read about him, and learn from a couple of UK and French friends, the more I think of him as an inch away from tumbling into a looney bin. His background £ connections are unsavory.
He slithered his way up, but I think this sabbatical—to the US of all things during a rare pandemic time when you would think his flock needs him most— is the precursor to his exit. His dreadful statements and obsession with the Meghan crazy train tell the tale.
Thank you so much for posting that impressive list of his medals.
@AvaC "How she will dislike Harry being out of her immediate control. How will he manage without her clinging to him with both hands?"
If Harry goes to England for the service, expect there to be some dramatic "security issue" in Montecito in which MM, fake Archie, and pillow have their lives threatened causing him to rush home. *huge eye roll emoji*
I will lay down money that one way or another a Megsy crisis at Montecito will cause Harry to cut short his visit, to rush back before he can be informally deprogrammed, just by how comfy his Royal life in England is compared to Southern California where he knows no one. (Megs really doesn't know anyone either except for her lawyer and Dorito) I was thinking the crisis will be a glitch in the Megs pregnancy.
What will not happen on the telephone -- "Meghan dear, the daffodils are blooming, the birds are singing, you remember how lovely England is in the spring. Anyways, I am going to stay 2-3 more weeks to straighten out me UK and US taxes and other financials with the Grey Men, who have been ever so helpful. Also to take care of that bloody Travalyst funds transfer investigation here. Granny has even lent me an old servant's quarters at Kensington. Ta Ta See you soon"
Thank you for posting the NY Times article- It's not only an excellent article but also I think very educational for those in America who might have been misled by the Oprah interview.
Her parents hated him as a match for her and weren't shy about expressing their disdain for him and his background even if he had royal blood. 'The Hun' they nicknamed him as shorthand for that disdain.
Ditto the entire royal household.
They tried to match her with a suitable Earl from the expected background of Eton or guards officer.
When he proposed they told the lovebirds to wait a few years in the hope it would wear off - incidentally the Margaret / Townsend solution. Heck they even took her to South Africa for 6mths.
And she stood her ground and refused any and all suggestions to look elsewhere.
The rest is history. And it's an incredible love story.
She's the last one standing on that balcony from the old guard and especially 'We Four/ Five'
I hope she doesn't succumb to death as the result of a broken heart as these old folks tend to do.
Oh that Tina Brown piece....that last paragraph has hit me too. Thank you for posting it. 🥰
Realize that he was able to pull off his Royal marriage to Elizabeth, when according to the last few days news accounts --- "All he owned was the suit on his back and the money in his pockets"
Philip was basically an orphan who raised himself along with the kindly intervention of relatives, now and then.
I'm hoping we're reaching some kind of tipping point when those who are running the holier-than-thou cancel culture exhaust the public's patience, once and for all. It's an ever-tightening spiral of hypocritical, judgemental repression. I'm tremendously encouraged by these young people's appreciation of Prince Philip, as he was the polar opposite. If they can appreciate his qualities, all is not lost.
I am sorry to read of your loss. You raise a good point. When my mother passed it was sudden and she was so young. She previously said she never wanted open casket, I was intent on keeping her wish. My uncle flew in and as we were all making arrangements he was insistent to have open viewing. He rather succinctly stated no one is going to be able to process she is gone. He has rather eloquent way of speaking and in mere moments my sister and I agreed. Never did it feel a betrayal, in fact my mom gave sister and I bit of a chuckle at viewing. A sign from Heaven of her approval and enduring sense of humor
Point in sharing is to echo your sentiment and offer collective hug and prayers to you and all who have suffered heartbreak without being able to mourn ,grieve and celebrate the life lived surrounded in friends and family. I do hope you find peace and comfort. Perhaps a memorial of sorts ,once able.
Harry is example of inability or refusal to process loss. Part of me feels he now uses his tragedy as crutch ,drama and feed victimhood. Perhaps it isn't fair though. I can't speak to his emotion he could really be struggling but cashing checks on her memory is abhorrent, unhealthy at best. A loving partner could really have helped him. Quite certain Meg baits and rewards his stunted emotion. I honestly can't imagine a worse coupling. They really do seem to feed off one another's angst.
I am going to be really surprised if Harry does show up. If he is willing to do so now, why in the world did he not do whatever he could to see Prince Philip after hospital stay? And that cold callous web posting. Was he at her side when she hit send? I really do not understand. Whole family is grieving and stress of Hollywood Harry touching down seems selfish and giant burden. If he does come ,maybe he should throw himself at mercy of family and stay. Otherwise he will return to California, continuing the betrayal.
Really interesting, the thought of Meg granting permission for this flight and what reward has she promised to secure his return? I fully believe there is no Archie and no pregnancy. It defies belief that he will show his face to family after all he has done and then hit redeye back to California. I pray for strength for HM and for family. And if he does go, I hope we do not see him.
My mind keeps going to him first entering room to family. Whatever he says/does to smooth out his presence so they don't beat the shit out of him on sight is empty for as soon as he leaves it all begins again. What a horrible position for family. Probably in that ancient suit to further the disgust. How can he look Catherine in the face? William? HM will no doubt play peacemaker.
On brighter note. Prince Philip was jokester. I would like to think somewhere he left silly note or whimsical term of endearment for HM. It brings me joy to anticipate its secret discovery 😉
Continued prayers for family.
"Thank you so much for posting that impressive list of his medals"
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I couldn't help but compare that list to Harry's who is trying to build a career out of being a veteran.
Cruel, I know. I am angry.
And I love your reports of the young recognizing Philip as the iconic figure he is.
Its lovely they are so aware of what an "old" person can and has contributed.
It gives me hope.
𝐁𝐑𝐄𝐀𝐊𝐈𝐍𝐆: Prince Harry will attend his grandfather’s funeral on Saturday (following all US and UK Covid-19 protocols in the process). A source adds that Meghan, who is heavily pregnant, made “every effort” to travel but didn’t receive medical clearance from her physician.
I am reading so many lovely things about Prince Philip. Such a kind gentleman he was. May he rest in peace. My heart goes out to the Queen during this exceptionally difficult time.
New: The Duke of Edinburgh’s royal ceremonial funeral will be held next Saturday at St George’s Chapel, Windsor, at 3pm.
His coffin will remain in the Queen’s private chapel at the castle all week before being transferred in a modified Land Rover he had a hand in designing.
There will be 30 guests in the royal party, including family - children and grandchildren - and long-serving staff such as his valet, page and private secretary. This includes Prince Harry, but not the pregnant Duchess of Sussex who has been advised by her doctors not to fly.
All of the party - except the Queen - will follow the coffin, draped in the Duke’s personal standard with a family wreath and his naval cap and sword, down to the chapel.
Everything will take place within the castle precincts, with no public access, and visitors are urged not to go to Windsor. But there will be a strong military element to the ceremony reflecting the Duke’s proud history and associations.
Buckingham Palace say although the ceremonial arrangements are reduced because of Covid, the personal wishes of the Duke are still being reflected and the occasion will still celebrate and recognise his life and more than 70 years service to the Queen, the UK and Commonwealth.
A national minute’s silence will take place at 3pm at the start of the funeral.
Although there will be no public access, it will be fully televised, as well as being covered by journalists and photographers.
https://twitter.com/errongordon/status/1380600747029577733
On a petty note, i hope CBS is locked out of any broadcast and their journalists uncredentialed for the event.
Ditto Omid.
Prince Philip’s funeral to take place on Saturday
Just 30 members of the royal family will be able to attend the event
Roya Nikkhah and Tim Shipman
Saturday April 10 2021, 5.00pm BST, The Sunday Times
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/prince-philips-funeral-to-take-place-on-saturday-s796mnbnl
The Duke of Edinburgh’s funeral will take place next Saturday at 3pm in St George’s Chapel at Windsor attended by 30 members of the royal family including Prince Harry.
Buckingham Palace said the Duke of Sussex is planning to attend but the duchess, who is pregnant with the couple’s second child, has been advised by her doctor not to fly from California.🙄
Just 30 members of the royal family will be able to attend the event and will observe coronavirus restrictions in the chapel.
Government regulations stipulated that guests should wear masks and observe the two-metre social distancing rule, but the Queen will be able to stand close to and be comforted by those in her personal bubble.
The service — which will be a “ceremonial royal funeral” similar to the funeral of the Queen Mother in 2002 — will begin with a national minute’s silence at 3pm and be televised around the world.
The Queen has approved a recommendation by Boris Johnson that there will be a period of national mourning lasting until the day of the service. The royal family will observe two weeks of official mourning.
The plans, which have been signed off by the Queen, are in line with the duke’s wishes and will see his body taken to the chapel from Windsor Castle in a Land Rover that the duke designed himself.
However, they will be “much reduced in scale” and “with no public access”, a spokesman said, adding: “There will be no public processions and the entire funeral will take place within the grounds of Windsor Castle.”
Royal officials urged the public not to travel to Windsor or any other royal palace to pay their respects. A palace spokesman said: “People turning up next Saturday will not be able to see anything. The best place to watch will be on television.”
A spokesman urged people to watch to “mourn with us and celebrate a truly extraordinary life”.
Buckingham Palace will release full details of the funeral party and of the service on Thursday, when it is understood there will be a dress rehearsal of the funeral.
“The occasion will still celebrate and recognise the duke’s life and more than 70 years of service to the Queen, the UK and the Commonwealth.”
This weekend the duke lies at rest in the private chapel at Windsor Castle. His body will not lie in state.
On the day of the funeral, his body will be moved in a small ceremonial procession from the private chapel to St George’s chapel for the service.
His pallbearers will include the duke’s private secretary, one of his protection officers, and two of his pages and two of his valets.
At the conclusion of the service, his body will be interred in the royal vault there.
A palace spokesman said: “While this is naturally a time of sadness and mourning for the royal family and those who knew the Duke of Edinburgh, it is hoped that the coming days are a time to celebrate a remarkable life, both in terms of his vast contribution and his lasting legacy.
“He was a decorated veteran of the Second World War, [had a] love and passion for science, engineering, design and art, his devotion to the military, his support for the Commonwealth, his support for the Outbound Trust, the World Wildlife Fund and the Duke of Edinburgh’s award.”
I too love that photo of the Queen giggling at Prince Philip in uniform - did he surprise her? Did she not realize it was him?😁
She travelled for her baby shower, she can travel now. She just wasn't invited.
Who doesn't go with their partner on a private jet to stay in a posh hotel for a relatives funeral, as support? No one.
I am a great fan of the Crown series—the stellar first two seasons anyway. The first scene of the first episode is of King George VI creating Philip Mountbatten Duke of Edinburgh on the eve of the couple’s wedding. Through subsequent scenes of the wedding and the wedding pictures to follow, the Palace attitude toward Philip is expressed through characters like Winston Churchill, the queen mother, and Queen Mary. He was regarded as a chancer, Something of a leech, potentially untrustworthy with a very embarrassing family background. His nickname, probably conjured up by Uncle David, is “the Foundling.” Yet everyone is celebrating their marriage due to Elizabeth steadfast refusal to entertain anyone else as a suitor. At one point, after they are done mocking The grooms mother as ‘straight from the sanitorium’, They acknowledge that Elizabeth had gotten her own way in all things quote without even opening her mouth”. From a very young age, the princess Elizabeth was practicing the art of being the quiet rock that everyone else broke themselves against.
The show is heavily fictionalized, but it seems to have tapped into the general feeling about Phillips suitability is consort which was real. But it was pretty disingenuous for the king and queen and everyone else to deem him so unsuitable. Surely It was not a completely random accident that cadet Mountbatten was chosen out of all the cadets at Dartmouth Naval College two squire around the two young princesses For the day and keep them entertained. Presumably he was chosen due to his family connection, being a third cousin to the girls and fellow great grandchild of Queen Victoria. It’s doubtful that Elizabeth elders were a matchmaking for her that day since she was only 13, but what did they expect when they had selected the best looking young man on the campus to show off for the princesses? Philip had a formidable I like fighting his corner: Lord Mountbatten, who was anything but obscure in royal circles. Fancied himself a Kingmaker...And no one in the kingdom besides Elizabeth could’ve been more pleased by the turn of events. I think Philip did in time genuinely fall in love with the princess, but certainly in the beginning few years of their courtship, the dynastic advantages of the match had to be front and center in both minds of
Both the uncle and the nephew. Philip was a man, literally of the world, who was off at war, and facing life and death situations daily. At the beginning, what could he have truly felt for his extremely sheltered 13-year-old cousin? Elizabeth was a child; her letters to him at the front could hardly have been profound. They definitely wound up as The best match in the end, but had they not been who they were, royalty, a man of 19 or 20 carrying on a correspondence with a girl of junior high school age Would certainly appear questionable as to his motives. I’m sure a Lord Mountbatten encouraged his nephew to keep that correspondence going until Elizabeth was old enough to court properly. And then, by Providence, the match nobody wanted became the only one that would work. And how gloriously it did work for seven decades.
In talking with a friend yesterday (who until the O interview was pro-Harkle), she said she hoped they get hit by a bus. She now hates them with the heat of a thousand suns. Sends them a pox upon their house.
BTW, the Blind Gossip site, which has been very accurate when it comes to the Harkles, says that the entire family, Harry included, was told that Philip was dying over a month ago - before the infamous Oprah interview. So they went ahead with the interview knowing full well what kind of stress the rest of the family was under. Unforgivable.
British columnists are saying this is an opportunity for Harry to reconnect with his father and brother - I don't think so. I think Harry will be given the cold shoulder, partly out of anger at his unforgivable behavior, but also because they know anything they say to Harry will probably be repeated by Gayle King the next day.
Prince Phillip was a self made man who was ultra sane and ultra grounded despite his mother with the mental problems. Just show that genetics are only 50%. And nurture is the other....Wait. What nurture did Philip get from both parents that abandoned him? He must have nurtured himself (lol)
Among his achievements was building a boat with his Gordonstoun (a rough, outdoorsy, athletic and severe school) school mates that they took out to the North Scotland islands. "He actually sailed one of our boats to Norway, which our pupils still do to this day."
PHOTOS
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/3042646/prince-philip-school-life-in-north-east-at-gordonstoun-laid-foundations-of-duke-of-edinburgh-awards-scheme/
I hate that they'll wear masks. It will look so silly in future years, except as a reminder of mass paranoia. Haven't they all been vaxed or already had the 'rona by now?
I'm sure the reception will be frosty, and so it should be. At least the funeral won't be filmed on TV and will be within the confines of Windsor Castle, so he should be out of sight and there is no need for photos of him.
As for MM, she had no compunction flying to NYC for an extravagant baby shower when at the same stage of pregnancy. I hope she was barred from the funeral. I don't see how she can stop Harry attending, as for a problem with the pregnancy as a ploy to entice him to return to the US, I hope this won't work if this is what she'll stoop to doing. A very good comment I saw in the DM was 'Harry do yourself a favour and buy a one way ticket'.
I hope once he sees the mood of the country and the effect of his grandfather's death on the family that he wakes up to the enormity of his betrayal.
And not the one with the matching green lining either.
`Walls have ears' www.battlefieldhistorian.com/bhc310005_walls_have_ears_careless_talk_costs_lives.asp
`Careless talk costs lives'
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/9810
`Keep Mum, she's not so dumb'
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/23600
`Loose lips sink ships' - with an updated version -
https://www.businessinsider.com/royal-navy-updates-loose-lips-sink-ships-poster-to-be-about-twitter-2018-1?r=US&IR=T
Doubtless the Queen remembers them all.
It will have an impact. I think things will start to change between he and Meghan. The enormity of the situation and the public and his previous duty and position is too great to ignore.
His dinky new celeb life where he has to earn a living shilling startups and taking advantage of charities won't compare to what he had. Perhaps without Meghan present and emotional caring people around his eyes will open for once.
I hate that they'll wear masks. It will look so silly in future years, except as a reminder of mass paranoia. Haven't they all been vaxed or already had the 'rona by now?
I agree it's not very aesthetic but it's to stop the wearer coughing, sneezing or spluttering over others. It catches the snot.
The vaccine gives the vaccinated person protection but it's not clear yet whether we can still carry the virus and pass it on, even though we are vaccinated. It was an awful shock to discover that one can actually have it without symptoms, what we used to call being a `carrier'.
see Typhoid Mary at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon
Compare:
https://sixtiescity.net/Mbeat/mbfilms151.htm
and https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a33585828/omid-scobie-finding-freedom-meghan-markle-prince-harry-interview/
I don't know how Harry can arrive in the u.k. under the circumstances, back to a refined and dignified life, and not be affected by it.
It will have an impact. I think things will start to change between he and Meghan. The enormity of the situation and the public and his previous duty and position is too great to ignore.
His dinky new celeb life where he has to earn a living shilling startups and taking advantage of charities won't compare to what he had. Perhaps without Meghan present and emotional caring people around his eyes will open for once.
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@Not Meghan Markle
This! I've always felt that Markle is the true mastermind behind all the vile Harkle nonsense. (She is most likely the one who issued that nasty statement written re Philip's death but intended to mock the RF's version of service and to spite the Queen's removal of their patronages.)
Although I no longer trust Harry as I think he has been completely twisted by a master manipulator, I wonder if the RF could possibly 'reach him' at this emotional point. Now would be the time to try to de-program the man and get him away from the megalomaniac. If they can't do it at this juncture I don't think they will ever be able to.
I love spending time with babies, talking to them and connecting with them. It's my single greatest regret that I was unable to be a mother, although I'm very lucky to have a niece to love, and my goodness how I love her.
However I feel nothing for Archie at all. Nothing. I don't instinctively smile when I see his picture. I'm not interested in him. There's none of the happiness I feel when I see the Cambridge children, who are satisfyingly part of our national life now.
I did worry about Archie at first, with those two as parents (though we're not even sure if he lives with them) but that basic concern atrophied in the face of Meghan's scheming and manipulation.
Now I am worried about the new baby, if there is one, but if there IS one, that concern will atrophy too, for the same reason.
I've never felt indifferent about any other child. It's scary just how far Meghan lays waste to every normal, human emotion and response.
Don’t beat yourself up over not feeling invested in Archie. That is an entirely natural response, to not be emotionally bonded two pictures of a child who above all represents little more than a character and the ongoing Sussex soap opera.
Perhaps the only greater difference of opinion than the one swirling around Archie is the divide over why H is doing what he’s doing, and if he is redeemable. The child known as Archie is a source of Narc fuel to MM, But she hasn’t been able to monetize him the way she planned, so it was time to swiftly produce another baby for attention and merching. I’ve been on the record 100 times is stating that I don’t believe she was pregnant two years ago and I don’t believe she is pregnant now, but Meg has a limited number of tricks in her repertoire. She returns again and again to the cons that she knows. Hence all the arty secretive black and white photo shoots, and the talk of yet another lavish baby shower. Again and again she has exploited her reproductive status for attention and to garner sympathy and as plausible excuses for getting out of showing her face official royal events. Consider for a moment why new parents David Foster and Katherine McPhee have severed any kind of connection to the Harkles. I believe that one couple has a real baby, and the other does not. Mega can produce as many alleged Moonbump ‘s, miscarriage essays, and inert baby like objects hidden under blankets and sweaters...Incomplete documentation attesting to a birth—There still isn’t any independent witness, medical or otherwise to her motherhood. Not then, not now. Only her word for it, and Harry’s word, unreliable on both counts. Being the tragic victimized madonna figure is all she’s got going for her, and she’s going to play that role as long as it’s getting her attention. She doesn’t know how to produce anything else.
I have always wondered why no on has ever commented about what happened at the Commonwealth celebration. At the end of the mass, Harry, Meghan and her horrible green dress were supposed to walk out behind Sophie and Edward, not behind Catherine and William. This was noticeable thanks to the seating arrangement. Yet as soon as Catherine and William left the aisle, Meghan shoved her way past a chair so that she would walk behind the Cambridges. You can see Harry look startled and immediately follows his wife. They cut in front of the Wessexes and that is where we get the picture of a smug and gloating Markle, and an angry Harry.
Perhaps H will keep Uncle A company somewhere out of sight of the cameras?
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Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother was widowed in February 1952; she died in March 2002 - over 50 years without Bertie. Perhaps we can take heart in the hope that her daughter may be able to emulate her.
I wonder if the Royal ladies will be veiled, as they were for Bertie? I can see real advantages in it, although others may scoff. It may help reduce the risk of cruel comments about swollen eyes and red noses, as well as criticism for not wearing the expressions that observers think they ought. It might also help defeat the lip-readers.
Wife, children, grandchildren (no spouses or great grandchildren) = 13
Mountbatten family (no spouses or little kids) = George, Ivan, Pamela, India = 4 (probably others)
Queen Sophia of Spain
King Constantine of Greece (probably too old to travel)
Military representatives
Charity representatives
Government representatives
Friends
This barely covers it. Blood family alone is over 30, and wouldn’t reflect the interests and passions of his life. It shouldn’t just be the royal family, Philip’s life was more than that. Maybe they can put spouses in a separate room to watch via closed circuit TV. I highly doubt the Middletons are going.
Spouses are important in such situations, to support their other halves. Charles may need Camilla and William Catherine. Harry can whistle for his woman - she won't be allowed anywhere inside the Castle. - I'm sure the gates & doors will be barred against any Americans and/or their flying monkeys attempting to breach the defences. They'd be up against the police and military.
What was stopping him?
relevant extracts:
Prince Harry Reportedly Feels "Guilty" He Couldn't Say Goodbye to Prince Philip in Person
Mehera Bonner
Sat, 10 April 2021, 5:29 pm
From Marie Claire
Prince Harry is mourning the loss of his grandfather, Prince Philip, who passed away on Friday at age 99. The Duke, who currently lives in California with Duchess Meghan Markle and their son Archie, is reportedly “really upset” about Philip's death, with a source telling Us Weekly that “Harry feels guilty for not being there to say goodbye to Prince Philip in person."
Funeral arrangements are currently being planned for Prince Philip, and another source told Us Weekly that the Queen is hopeful Prince Harry will be able to attend. “The Queen wants Harry to be there,” the source said. “Harry is hopeful that he’ll be able to return home to honor his grandfather, who he had a close bond with.”
This echoes what a previous insider told the Daily Mail, saying "Harry will absolutely do his utmost to get back to the UK and be with his family. He will want nothing more than to be there for his family, and particularly his grandmother, during this awful time. Meghan is obviously pregnant so she will need to take advice from her doctors about whether it is safe for her to travel, but I think Harry will definitely go."
I certainly hope they delouse Harry. One vial of Meg musk could take out the entire family. Joking, but kinda not. Very suspect she is relinquishing control to "enemy" did Harry find his balls? I wonder how much thought family is giving to extraction. Emotional time but I can't see them just being "icy" and status quo.
@KCM great article and when you said Queen Elizabeth fell in love with Prince Philip because he made her laugh, feel it spot on! :)
I saw too discussion of picture when HM walks past Philip while uniformed and giggling. I missed it. It may be my favorite, so candid. Is link somewhere?
I read article describing Prince Philip's remaining days. I nearly sobbed. Short but so poignant. Has it been posted ? It is tearjerker. Stepping away but wanted to add real quick having Prince Philip closest aides serve as pallbearers is incredible gesture. I really liked reading that. True honor and so symbolic of their loyalty.
Thank you again to everyone for all the incredible posts
“ LONDON — Buckingham Palace said on Saturday that Prince Harry would be returning to Britain for Prince Philip’s funeral next weekend, setting in motion fevered speculation about whether the reunion would mend fences in the royal family or sow deeper discord.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/10/world/europe/prince-philip-death-harry-meghan.html
If we have to listen to H moaning about his guilt and remorse over not saying goodbye to Philip I may run amok.
He will probably do another Oprah interview, schedule 11 Zoom calls and a corporate speech about his unbearable grief and add an app for guilty feelings. We will be treated to an annual reprise of him wearing black and re-enacting the
funeral. Perhaps he will even recite selections from Hamlet for the documentary he is no doubt planning.
MM is only allowing H to go to extract the boodle. If H hasnt been left anything by Philip he will go after his father, or even, God help him, the Queen.
I am glad the service is being televised though. I want to be "there" to pay my respects.
Were you actually looking for the picture of th Queen laughing at Philip?
Just Google "Queen laughing at husband" and it comes right up.
I'm getting ridiculously long links for some reason.
I wonder if we'll ever know the truth? Meghan WILL fail ultimately - she's too slapdash to survive forever doing what she does and living how she lives - and apart from that, for a certainty, she will run out of money, both the real and the mirage kind. I wonder if people will then creep out of the shadows to tell the world what really happened or will it be too damaging to their own reputations? Will they all follow Trevor and Cory's example, stay silent and try to live their best lives now they are free of the succubus? It will be so frustrating if they do. I want to know how this all ends. Will I live that long?