I'm very sorry to hear about the passing of Prince Philip, just a few months before his 100th birthday.
He was an outspoken man who was always one of my favorite Royals.
Here's a space to discuss his passing, as well as any implications it will have for other ongoing Royal events, such as the Sussex saga.
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I feel awful for the Queen. She and Philip were so lucky to have a love story that lasted three quarters of a century, but that only makes the end even harder. She is the Queen and a woman of magnificent strength and resilience, but she is also a very elderly lady who has just lost the most important person in her life.
I was very surprised to learn that Prince Philip suffered from pancreatic cancer earlier. Pancreatic cancer is considered one of the deadliest forms of the disease as it isn't detected early, usually.
@Petunia, I, too, think it is a face-saving move on her part. I reckon she wasn't invited. She's done this so many times before.
April 10, 2021 at 11:55 PM
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“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Having trashed his grandfather before his death?
In public?
Not a lot the Twitter/mainstream media can do to wipe this up.
Just my opinion.
Tourre Bakahai
@TourreBakahai
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Apr 9
Prince Harry loses a beloved grandfather. Meghan Markle loses a suspect.
LOL. (Although I question Hs ability to "love")
That was a National Enquirer story several years ago. IOW, made up.
Most old men have prostate cancer for years but die of something unrelated. It's in the younger (60's) ones that it's quickly deadly.
"The alliterate one has scheduled a camera crew to be with her all next week while her husband is out of town. Get ready for the false labor stories."
https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2021/04/blind-item-4_10.html
I wonder if Meghan will pin a note onto his shirt before he boards the plane so Harry will know who he is.
…and we find out William gave it to him.
Wonderful video of London's Black cabbies paying their respects to Prince Phillip.
I can just imagine what most of them think of Harry!!
https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1380937145913905152
This trip is a threat to her dominance as it could reawaken Harry’s sense of duty and cause him to have second thoughts about wallowing in the shallowness of his marriage to Meghan and life in Southern California — especially if they are running short on money, which no matter how much they make, it will never be enough to satiate Meghan’s bottomless craving for the materialistic trappings of life. Narcissists at their core are empty people who think material possessions will somehow fill that pit.
I predict she will create a drama/ emergency that will cause Harry to cut his visit short, such as claiming early labor or a security issue of some sort. She can’t afford to have him glimpsing his former life and risk him becoming homesick for it and life in the UK.
https://mobile.twitter.com/andrewlawrence/status/1380781794652528642
He will try to avoid the place.
He cannot avoid the place.
His family will try and help him avoid the place. They cannot. They love him. But he is him.
But ... one of the claims the duo made was that they were the super stars, they were driving all these people who never felt attached to the BRF before to think about the BRF as relatable to them now and that they might even outshine the others(hence the fear of needing to contain the duo from doing so).
I think that PP has shown them/the world how is should be done - with dignity, honor and devotion to the country which was not his homeland.
Where should JH quarantine? the snarky in my thinks The Tower has rooms.
If I were William I would see to it that his brother is kept far, far away from himself and Catherine.
Either that or love-bomb him with witnesses.
Biggest shocker, and am embarrassed to admit I had no idea Prince Philip was inspiration for Sleeping Beauty prince. I wonder how he felt about it. Tickled? He must not have truly objected or it would not have happened.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/film/sleeping-beautys-prince-phillip-based-13839217
Regarding young people showing interest in Prince Philip. I would like to think it is organic, if strictly Harkle influence it would not appear genuine as it seems and her crowd would be tweeting out his colorful tweets with abolish monarchy tag. They are also pushing 40. Their squad is literally robots and impressionable tweens. The crowd that erupted after Oprah was organized , sublet of "movement" as whole.
I must admit my earlier inquiry asking if uniforms would be worn by Charles and William was more to single out Harry as never again being able to wear his. His medals must mean costume he wore for the disrespectful Remembrance LA display. He really is a twit. I genuinely angle for peace but unless he claims complete psychosis I am at a loss how visit will play out.
Does anyone in U.S. know if networks are covering service? I can't seem to find a clear answer.
All I can find at present is TV coveragae of the day, with activities outside Windsor Castle at 2:45 pm with the procession to the Chapel. I read that unlike the weddings, the service is private. I imagine the cable news networks (CNN, FNC etc) will cover in part. We shall see.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9457775/Doctors-tell-pregnant-Meghan-not-fly-Prince-Philips-funeral-Harry.html
What an odd picture. You'd think it was a dancer or something, but they are not facing/watching her.
The Queen, 94, will only be able to invite 30 people to the ceremony - plus the clergy - at St George's Chapel
There were going to be 800 mourners from across the Duke's military units, charities and the Commonwealth
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Above is from UK Daily Mail. Everything big is live on you tube these days. At minimum it will be live on Fox and CNN (for US viewers) and put on you tube live by them and others. BBC and ITV should be putting it up live on youtube.
With all these mourners clamoring to be there, the BRF would be wise to set up a huge screen in a nearby open air courtyard where the 800 others can view the funeral ceremony for Prince Philip. Doing this for PP and also to counteract the dire influence of the Duplicitous Duo.
That photo was taken at the British High Commission in South Africa that M/H visited. Same Megsy dress on as seen here.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7499575/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-attend-British-High-Commission-Cape-Town-South-Africa-royal-tour.html
Hearse followed the following family members in this order:
1. Prince Charles, Prince William and Prince George
2. Prince Andrew, Edward and Princess Anne
3. Sarah Ferguson, Tim and Sophie
4. Eugenie, Beatrice, Harry, Louise and her brother
5. The other family members
It would be the greatest honour to be sent off by the next 3 Kings.
1 The Queen
2 Prince of Wales
3 Duchess of Cornwall
4 Princess Royal
5 Vice-Admiral Sir Timothy Laurence
6 Duke of York
7 and 8 Earl and Countess of Wessex
9 and 10 Duke and Duchess of Cambridge
11 Duke of Sussex
12 and 13 Zara and Mike Tindall
14 Peter Phillips
15 Princess Beatrice
16 Princess Eugenie
17 Lady Louise Windsor
18 Viscount Severn
19 Lady Pamela Hicks
20 Countess Mountbatten
21 Princess Alexandra
22 and 23 Duke and Duchess of Gloucester
24 and 25 Duke and Duchess of Kent
26 and 27 Prince and Princess Michael of Kent
28 Earl of Snowdon
29 Lady Sarah Chatto
30 Brigadier Archie Miller-Bakewell, private secretary
But on the other hand, even though it is a funeral, supporters of the RF, and especially HMTQ and Phillip, might show up along the route his casket takes to the chapel protest Harry’s presence. It will be an interesting day as goodbyes are said to Phillip.
I remember that dress and tour! Yhey looked stoned whole time and many were saying Charles cut her off as she was rewearing multiple items. There is also photo of that man standing alongside her in those rainbow tights. I actually may have it I will look
But I cannot believe it is being reported Harry may fly on Tony Robbins jet. He is another one of Oprah's self help weirdos. Story is worse than I remember.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2019/05/17/tony-robbins-accused-sexual-misconduct-buzzfeed-investigation/3706737002/
Thank you for sharing broadcast information, much appreciated!
Prince Harry never wanted to hurt his grandparents with the Oprah interview
If there was a fissure within the Royal family, it certainly wasn't between Harry and Philip, who shared an unshakeable bond
Prince Harry’s intention with Oprah was never to hurt his grandparents, only to explain why he chose to move and step back. And it is unlikely that the unflappable Duke of Edinburgh – veteran of the Second World War – was much bothered by the interview with Winfrey. The Queen’s late consort had seen a multitude of family tragedy before he had even reached adulthood – a mother committed to a psychiatric hospital, a sister killed along with her children in a plane crash. One imagines that recent events rather paled in comparison for the stoical Duke. .....
Even stripped of his military titles, Prince Harry will be determined to continue the inspiring work of his grandfather. And the young Duke’s work with the likes of the CASEVAC Club and the Invictus Games may just end up being one of Prince Philip's most enduring legacies.
Here's another quote about MM from the Telegraph that just came in - mentioned along with an update about Harry possibly already on his way to the UK:
"With tensions in the family remaining high after the couple’s explosive interview with Oprah Winfrey, there had already been speculation that the Duchess would decide to remain in California rather than risk overshadowing the sombre occasion."
Perhaps it was a mutual agreement - they don't want her there and she doesn't have the nerve to show up and possibly face the wrath of the public.🤣
Part 1
Britain has entered a national mourning period for Prince Philip – here’s what it means
National mourning will last until 8am on the day after the Duke of Edinburgh's funeral which will take place at 3pm on Saturday April 17
By
Gordon Rayner, ASSOCIATE EDITOR and Ben Riley-Smith, POLITICAL EDITOR
11 April 2021 • 3:29am
Prince Philip latest news and live tributes
Britain has entered eight days of mourning for the Duke of Edinburgh during which flags will be flown at half mast, TV presenters will wear black and Parliament will pass no new laws.
Buckingham Palace has confirmed that Prince Philip's funeral - which will take place on Saturday, April 17 - will adhere to current guidelines around life events that allow just 30 mourners to be present.
Members of the public have been asked not to attempt to attend or participate in any of the events that make up the funeral.
Churches and public buildings have been told not to open books of condolence for the Duke because of Covid restrictions. Official government guidance says an online book of condolence, opened on the Royal family's official website on Friday night, should be the sole portal for the public to express their personal tributes.
The Duke left strict instructions that he should have a relatively low-key funeral in his final wishes, swapping a formal lying-in-state for commemorations remembering his military ties and charity patronages.
The Queen will spend two weeks in mourning Buckingham Palace announced on Saturday.
For the next fortnight, the Queen and other members of the Royal family will carry out no official duties that do not relate to Prince Philip's funeral, meaning no new laws can be given Royal Assent. The period of royal mourning will end on Thursday, April 22.
National mourning will last until 8am on the day after the Duke's funeral, with all official flags, including the Union flag, to be flown at half mast on government buildings.
The royal standard, flown above royal palaces when the Queen is in residence, never flies at half mast because it is a symbol of the continuation of the monarchy. The College of Arms has said any non-official flags, such as armed forces flags, should be taken down and replaced with a Union flag or a national flag of the home nations.
The Queen is expected to broadcast a televised message to the nation in tribute to her husband. A nationwide one-minute silence will be held in the Duke's honour at 3pm next Saturday as his funeral gets underway
A seven-page document sent to government departments stated that "national mourning guidance" for the public, industry and business would be issued now that the Royal Household has confirmed the final arrangements for the Duke's funeral.
The Government guidance says "departments communicating directly with the Royal Household should use black-edged stationery during the period of National Mourning on matters relating to demise". Ministers and officials involved in public events related to Prince Philip must wear a dark suit and black tie or a dark day dress, with a dark coat, and a dark hat and gloves if they wish to.
MPs are expected to wear black armbands while they are at work, and armbands are likely to be worn at sporting events this weekend. A-two minute silence was observed at the Grand National at Aintree on Saturday.
Arrangements for changing photographs of the Duke in official buildings will be announced following the lifting of Covid restrictions in June. The guidance also says all updates to departmental websites and social media channels such as Twitter must be personally signed off by directors of communications in each department.
Parliament will scale back its work in a similar way to periods of "purdah" before elections. No new laws will be passed, no Government announcements will be made and no ministers will give interviews or tweet about policy unless it is specifically to give public health guidance.
MPs have been recalled on Monday – a day early – from their Easter break to pay tribute to the Duke in the Commons.
Downing Street press conferences will be suspended until after the funeral, and local election campaigning has been suspended "until further notice" following a discussion between Boris Johnson and Sir Keir Starmer, the Labour leader.
Downing Street said Mr Johnson had also cancelled plans to visit a pub for a pint of beer on Monday, when pubs and restaurants will be allowed to start serving customers outdoors.
Major TV channels responded to the Duke’s death by cancelling planned programmes and showing tributes instead. Presenters and newsreaders were told to wear black or dark clothes and black ties. The official Royal family website was replaced with a single memorial page to the Duke, while the Prince of Wales's website was suspended.
When the rest of the country comes out of mourning on the day after the funeral, the Royal family will spend a further week in royal mourning – also known as court mourning – on the instructions of the Queen.
All members of the Royal family will be expected to wear black or dark clothes, or a black armband if wearing a military uniform. Black-edged stationery will be used for all communications relating to the Duke's death.
https://ladygreyhound93.tumblr.com/post/187925305885/do-opinion-formers-have-an-opinion-on
Harry can't get out of bed (second pic down is skewed angle) Meg appears to be shaking him down for more dope
https://en.mogaznews.com/World-News/1321520/Prince-Harry-gets-so-overwhelmed-by-problems-he-struggles-to-get-out-of-bed-.html
I think lady is lunging as she just cannot take it anymore 😉
Appreciated this brief distraction :) Goodnight
Speaking of clothing - check out the last part of the Telegraph notice on the mourning period...
"All members of the Royal family will be expected to wear black or dark clothes, or a black armband if wearing a military uniform. Black-edged stationery will be used for all communications relating to the Duke's death."
Now I wonder if black clothing is required for the entire period of mourning? I'm assuming it is - because why else mention it when it's quite obvious that one wears dark clothing to the funeral itself.
Now...think about the diva narc back in the states - will she show up somewhere in the US at any point between now and the day of the funeral all dressed in black? And if she does will her outfit include a micro-mini, a plunging neckline and stripper shoes?
Or maybe she will pull the opposite and be spotted in hot pink.
Perhaps she will choose that day to provide some woke zoom fest with word salad.
Duchess of Sussex is approximately 33 weeks pregnant -thought to be due in June
Prince Harry’s return has caused some anxiety behind palace gates at a time when the family will not welcome distractions.
The Sussexes’ decision to publish a statement, on their Archewell Foundation website shortly after 5pm on Friday, is understood to have raised eyebrows in some quarters as it was done without consultation and preceded official tributes from the Prince of Wales and senior members of the family.
The Duke and Duchess no longer have their own home in the UK, having given up Frogmore Cottage, their former home near Windsor Castle. It means Prince Harry will either have to stay at Windsor Castle or another royal residence during a period of self-isolation when he arrives in the country.
The Prince will have to take a coronavirus test before he travels, which must be negative before he can board an aircraft. He will also have to take another test within two days of arriving, and if that is negative he can pay for a private test five days after he arrives which would allow him to end his self-isolation earlier than the statutory 10-day period if it is negative.
If he were to test positive at any stage, he would miss the funeral because he would have to remain in self-isolation for 10 days after arrival.
From The Telegraph
"With tensions in the family remaining high after the couple’s explosive interview with Oprah Winfrey, there had already been speculation that the Duchess would decide to remain in California rather than risk overshadowing the sombre occasion."
Hmmm. Maybe, but I think Meghan’s narcissism demands control, and being agreeable does not seem to be in her wheelhouse. It would be placed into the loss of control folder.
I think Meghan doesn’t dare ever show her face in the UK ever again and is using the alleged pregnancy as an excuse to not travel and have to face the RF and the public.
CDAN
https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2021/04/blind-item-3_10.html
Blind Item #3
Other than the obvious ones, this celebrity is probably the biggest to make it from the briefcase show. She is also being interviewed for the tell all book about the alliterate one and has lots of great sugardaddy stories to share.
The responses to this one are great.
Blind Item #4
The alliterate one has scheduled a camera crew to be with her all next week while her husband is out of town. Get ready for the false labor stories.
-Has one of those folk who rescue people from cults been briefed to meet his plane?
-I don’t think tantric auto/bisexuality is a cult - Chris Huhne is still with his very tall girlfriend.
-You win the Mrs. Miggins ‘left field’ post of the week. One of her delicious pies is on its way to you. Well done.
-It's amazing that the narc is allowing him to fly by himself... one wonders if a tracking device will have been installed. Anyway, I'm sure we'll hear about every single 'behind closed doors' utterance via the couple's ventriloquist, Gayle King, and Harry will be under strict instructions to 'keep receipts'. Hopefully Charles and William search for a wire tap before saying a single word in his presence.
-This is Harry’s chance to escape, can he be deprogrammed whilst he is away from her?
-No, she’s got the last 1000 Quaaludes left which she is using to manipulate him.
-Presumably he will be running a live streaming cam to Netflix during the ceremonies and his wife will be making a documentary about how difficult it is to be pregnant and alone and at home.
-Will she have the locks on the mansion changed while he is away?
Yes, we are in agreement - I said the same thing...
Perhaps it was a mutual agreement - they don't want her there and she doesn't have the nerve to show up and possibly face the wrath of the public.🤣
April 11, 2021 at 7:36 AM
And what a lame excuse the pregnancy is considering how she rushed to NYC for her shower extravaganza!
I'm seeing a lot of comments about another fake pregnancy on twitter and under articles!
Great comments/articles Nutties.
Thanks.
“you’ve done him proud”
I reckon she was told ‘no show’
direct order from Philip.
Just saw the vid of the London black cabs,
choked me up, bow to the ‘Knowledge’
Philip's final message to Prince Charles
Alex Blair
Prince Philip reportedly told son Prince Charles he wished to die inside the walls of Windsor Castle during the pair's bedside meeting in hospital as the former's condition deteriorated.
Royal author Robert Jobson said the pair "found much common ground in the past few months" after a life of highly publicised disputes, including environmental issues such as organic farming. Jobson reported that Philip also "advised Prince Charles on caring for the Queen when he was gone" and shared his personal opinion on how Charles should lead the Royal Family through what could be a bumpy period ahead.
"They have always loved one another – that was never in question. But there was a deeper respect and it was growing," a source close to the Royal family told the media. "They shared common ground on the future direction of the monarchy, on religious issues – even on the environment. They both believed in inter-faith dialogue and that talking openly and honestly can only help strengthen communities and understanding. "A father and son who loved each other and enjoyed a relationship of mutual respect and affection.”
"Over the last year of Philip's life, they were the closest that they've ever been."
I too wonder if she was given any choice? She must be livid.
@WildBoar
After the damage, and hurt, they’ve caused,
I cannot imagine the RF really wishes to see
either of them at this time.
But, Harry is family, protocol must be observed.
As for his wife, I stand firm in my belief that
Prince Philip made it quite clear, madam
will not be in attendance.
Olivia Petter
Fri, 9 April 2021, 1:29 pm
The Duchess of Sussex is said to be assembling a legal team to respond to Piers Morgan’s numerous claims about her in recent weeks, a royal expert has alleged.
Since his sudden departure from Good Morning Britain, and the Sussexes’ Oprah interview, Morgan has made a series of critical comments about Meghan.
During an interview with Fox News’ Tucker Carlson, the broadcaster labelled Meghan the “delusional duchess” and accused her of “making hundreds of millions” off her association with the royals while “trashing” the family in public.
Morgan also said he hopes that Prince Harry recognises Meghan “has a track record of ditching everyone and everything when they cease to be of use to her”
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Now, speaking on Talk Radio on Thursday, royal expert Angela Levin claimed that Meghan is getting ready to respond to Morgan.
“I think it’s always amazing what lawyers can come up with,” she said.
“I think Piers is a brave man but let’s wait and see.”
Levin, author of the 2018 book Harry: Conversations with the Prince, added: “I think she will come up with something or they will come up with something really extraordinarily unusual which they will try to take the better of him.
“I imagine that the lawyers are working out if there is a sentence or a verb or something that Piers said that they could jump on.
“So I think it is a bit precipitous actually to say she hasn’t come back yet.”
Morgan claimed that several members of the royal family have contacted him to thank him for publicly calling out the Sussexes after their bombshell Oprah Winfrey interview.
“I’ve had some messages communicated to me on behalf of several members of the royal family,” he recently told Extra TV’s host Billy Bush.
He added: “I’m not going to go into who it was but [it was] gratitude that somebody was standing up.”
Last month, it was revealed that Meghan had made a formal complaint to the broadcasting watchdog Ofcom about Morgan after he dismissed some of the claims she made in the Oprah interview.
The Independent has contacted a representative for Meghan for comment.
Go Piers!
@WildBoar
She’s always livid, should name a
colour after her, ‘Livid Green’
Prince Philip suffered from pancreatic cancer earlier.
That was a National Enquirer story several years ago. IOW, made up.
Most old men have prostate cancer for years but die of something unrelated. It's in the younger (60's) ones that it's quickly deadly.
Pancreatic cancer has an extremely high mortality rate, I doubt very much he had this years ago and recovered.
However wide sweeping statements (about Prostate cancer) aren’t useful nor accurate. My own Father was diagnosed with Prostate cancer in his late 60s, he had treatment and lived for another 11 years. I wouldn’t say most older men have it either, many might have Prostate problems but it’s not necessarily down to cancer. I did wonder whether Philip did eventually die from this though.
Possible ghostnapping, Casparchie?
Un-plumped cushion fall out?
bow to the ‘Knowledge’
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Yes, which is why there were no Ubers ;)
A wonderful gesture on the part of our black cab drivers. Philip used to drive one himself to go around London.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9457755/Social-media-satirist-releases-video-Meghan-Markles-interview-Oprah-Winfrey.html
I believe Harry will spend his time with the York girls. They're used to being with royal outcasts, owing to their mother's status, and they're diplomatic enough to go along. I don't believe Harry will be anywhere near his father or brother. The pain they're in from the loss of Philip would only cause them to lash out. I've seen it before. Charles and Her Majesty in particular will be well insulated from him. I believe they both probably think Harry hastened Philips demise.
@Magatha.
The Knowledge was instituted in 1865, when my gt-grandfather had already been a London cabby for more than 14 years, with a horse. He may have been based at Euston Station and was probably the sort of cabby that Dickens deplored.
My mother's ancestors had real class!!!
Possibly, but it's also possible that `home truths' come out at the subsequent wake, once strong drink has been taken, leading to even deeper rifts.
I was watching the Andrew Marr show earlier and John Major was giving his memories of PP. He touched on PP's support of HMTQ and made the point that PP is one of the few (and first) people she's been able to unburden all her problems to from the start of her reign without worrying about how it would be perceived. For me this makes the Oprah interview coming when it did all the more heartbreaking because if as suspected they were trying to protect PP and keep the full extent from him, she must have felt so alone not being able to discuss something so stressful and damaging with the man who'd been her main support for decades. I'd imagine that on top of this she'd also feel a level of guilt for keeping something like that from him, even if it was a decision made with PP's best interests in mind. That's what's so heartbreaking for me, the potential added guilt for trying to do the right thing for PP's health in such difficult circumstances when she's probably already struggling with voluntarily forgoing the support of someone who'd normally be right by her side fighting her corner no matter what the situation.
I feel so angry at how that pair in Montecito have treated Harry's elderly grandparents. The interview was bad enough in itself when it aired but now we're seeing things in hindsight it makes it even worse and I only hope that Karma has been biding her time and drops on them in spectacular fashion when they least expect it. I don't "hate" many people at all (three people in my entire lifetime, and they're all people I know personally whose persistant behaviour deserved it - they were all given plenty of chances and completely blew them), but that pair are coming very close to rounding it up to five. Even if the unthinkable happens and they somehow manage to behave like normal people going forward and turn things around, I'll never forgive them for that interview. I don't care if they bleat that the timing was out of their hands and they couldn't stop it airing - they willingly did the thing in the first place so as far as I'm concerned it's all on them. All of it. Oprah etc aren't immune to my anger, but they're not the ones who have a personal family connection like Harry (and his bint) which under normal circumstances should have made them stop and think about what they were doing.
Thank you to those who have been posting tidbits and anecdotes about Prince Philip, I've enjoyed reading them all. I've been surprised at how his passing has affected me. The passing of the Queen Mother was somehow different and although I was saddened I didn't really get "upset", just melancholy. Diana's passing was also different for me, but I think I've discussed that here before. I can relate to those posters here who have said PP felt like the grandfather they never had, he truly was a special man and the world is different without him. My main regret is I didn't realise how much of an emotional connection I felt to him until after he was gone. RIP Prince Philip, you're missed so much already.
Harry has already departed for UK on Sat.
He will be isolating at Highgrove - the father has no choice but to take him in. Furthermore, there is no infant there unlike at Eugenie's place at Frogmore Cottage.
Meghan like the BG said, has organised a film crew with her the minute Harry left. We will no doubt see pics of her in mourning wear, looking sad. She will tell Harry when he returns later it was the papz that took the pics.
Harry will attempt to start conversation with Prince Charles and Prince William. They will give him the cold shoulder and direct him to their PA. Harry desperately wants to talk to The Queen but i) he has no balls and ii) he is kept 10m away from her at all times.
Meghan will keep on prodding Harry for some morsels of info about the private funeral. He will not divulge (he has nothing to divulge as he is kept at a safe distance). Meghan through her ventriloquists Scoobie and Gayle will make up some silly generic info like the family were grateful that H could make it and they felt comforted by his presence seeing that he was the Duke's fav grandchild.
Now, my greatest wish is that Harry tests positive for Covid 19 and misses out on the entire funeral while he is isolating somewhere in the UK. Meghan goes ahead with her white lies to her ventriloquists and ooops, it later comes out that Harry never even got to attend the funeral.
So before I forget-- May God save and preserve The Queen in her trying times! (from America)
'We have lost the grandfather of the nation': Prince Andrew pays tribute to his father Prince Philip as he mourns the loss of a 'remarkable man' whose death has 'left a huge void' in the Queen's life
Not sure how much I believe in karma, but based on what's happened in the past month alone I think karma is here already.
How either can show their faces knowing they are probably the most hated couple in the world right now? That baffles me as I would have crawled under the covers and never come out.
In this case MM has crawled under a rock, and she's putting Harry out to the public instead. I personally wish no one harmed but on the other hand I hope something happens and they lose everything.
One can't do what MM has done and come out unscathed. She clearly lacks a conscience about who she hurts whether they deserve it or not.
I wonder now what the history books will have written about this woman, she's a really bad person to have done that interview and the backlash is real. I think now that PP has passed it's only going to get worse for the both of them.
Putting aside everything that's gone on since MM came into Harry's life, I still believe he should attend his grandfathers funeral, maybe he will finally feel the guilt he's needed to experience since he brought that woman into his and his family's life. I just hope he isn't highlighted to take the spotlight off of the occasion of his grandfather's funeral.
I doubt that Harry will be able to speak with the Queen all by himself. She must be protected from this parasite and she will be. H might speak with her as William and Charles stand very close by. No sit-downs with Queenie! You are not worthy!
Of course H will be reporting back to his MM-Dominatrix many times each day. Who knows, Harry conversing with other family members, these talks might be limited to small talk and about the spring weather. If I were BRF I would not talk with Harry unless he gives up his phone and is swept electronically for all bugs and miniature recording devices. Bring in the fellows from MI6 to do this.
Given their abysmal track record, One cannot be too careful and too paranoid around either of the Toxic Twins
https://www.historyextra.com/period/20th-century/al-capone-convicted-tax-evasion-when-why/
Meghan has been audited before, she is already on the IRS radar, especially with her endless self promoted PR about free gifts. The Disastrous Duo's number will come up sooner or later. Being frozen out of Hollywood must be torturing the narc enough as it is. Poor H not having taxpayers funded security and endless party invites where he can be a "star" probably eats him up too. Be patient, like fine wine, some things get better with time.
I think he`ll either stay at his home, frogmore, and some lackey will be responsible for stocking it up with food,but if the furniture is gone, could be a problem, so nott cottage a possibility. Or perhaps a wing or apartment of clarence house, possibly a wing or room at highgrove, if PC is in a concillatory mood, PC supposedly talked the J H to let him know. it would give them a chance to `talk` without the harpy around. Of course everything gets reported back to the harpy and PC that.
I dont think he'll stay with the York girls. I think he talked to them because PW isnt speaking to him. He and E always had a good relationship but she has a baby. Also i think their parents would Strongly discourage it ..... i think they discouraged E living at Frogmore.
Didnt MM pile onto to PA after his car crash interview? That PB supposedly encouraged? BRF doesnt negatively comment publicly about other members, they circle the wagons and let the investigation take its course. I think MM blew her relationship with the York girls, the girls will always side with mom/dad over others.
But the york girls have more celeb friends(/aquaintances because those ppl are very fickle) like the Harkles. And that celeb/CA/us media world is currently siding with the Harkles, so the york girls are in the middle feeling pressure from both sides. And lots of pressure because of PA situation.
My guess is he would already be too embarrassed by his botoxed and filler face among his all natural relatives that he would leave the wig behind.
@Natalier, Harry doesn't really have to test positive for Covid. The entire apparatus of the British government can spring into action to make sure that this is the reason he doesn't get within 10 feet of any other Royal
I like the way you think.
When you think how precious that time will have been to the Queen, and how the Sussexes polluted that time - now lost forever - there are no words. I especially feel it as my parents are in their mid-80s and just as devoted to each other as they were when they married 60 years ago this year. Every day I see their awareness of how important their remaining time is together and I can't imagine having someone in my family who would be as selfish and hurtful as the Sussexes.
When I watched Meghan treat her own father so cruelly as she joined the Royal Family, I never imagined Harry being just as cruel to his own. I never bought the good Prince Harry hype, but I didn't expect this. Some articles are now calling for forgiveness for Harry. Reconciliation. I see no signs of the Sussexes showing an iota of concern or empathy for Thomas Markle. I fully expect Harry to be immersed in a welter of self-pity throughout his visit to England. With Meghan in the US no doubt encouraging Harry to be his worst self, it reminds me of Wallis Simpson urging Edward on, from across the channel, as he dishonestly tried to get as much money out of George VI as possible, all the while knowing that his brother was in a state of grief and extreme anxiety about taking on a role he never expected and was unequipped for.
I'm thinking of George VI a lot at the moment. Like Prince Philip he never let us down. He gave up the life he wanted for what he knew was his duty and he knew that duty would only cease on his own death. He got on with it. George VI, the Queen and Prince Philip are all cut from the same cloth. It feels destabilising to lose Prince Philip. More of a shock than I expected. Goodness knows what it will be like when we lose the Queen.
EXCLUSIVE The Queen is set to decide whether to afford the Duke of Sussex his HRH styling at #PrincePhilip’s funeral as #PrinceHarry flies home alone to a family reunion for the first time since stepping back from official royal life.
Can someone with access please post. TIA
Both John Major & now Kate Williams (celeb historian & Warwick University) this morning trotted out the platitudes but I don't think there's the remoted chance when M is still involved.
That woman would need a heart and brain transplant, to say nothing of a new soul , so deeply does her jealousy of Catherine burn.
I said this up thread, we can start praying and hoping....he’s not in anyway worthy to attend and further upset his family.
I haven’t read the article, but both Harry and Megsy were requested not use their HRH styles post Mexit. So I’m guessing this could be why.
I just don't have any answer as to how MM can operate with the knowledge of how most people feel about her. Maybe she doesn't mind being controversial and Hollywood types are drawn to drama naturally, it gives publicity too in a sick way.
I'm not a public figure, so I'm not under a microscope but just trying to imagine being so hated in such a public way would kill me. It's not something I'd be able to handle.
I really can't wrap my mind around how MM manages it. She hasn't been seen since the interview, so she feels none of the normal feelings one would expect.
Hindsight is 20/20 now and I do wonder if she regrets doing that really stupid interview? We will never know unless she does something as equally stupid again. While she was intent on having all the power and control, it seems what she has done has the opposite effect. She no longer has any power and is definitely out of control.
Wasn't that Scobie book suppose to be the thing that would endear us all to her and her blight? ha ha ha! Saw how that worked out for her. Next move let's do a Oprah interview and pull out my claws and bash Harry's family. We see how that worked too! She will never be taken seriously again by anyone and most likely some will exploit her now not cheer for her.
Just think this blog wouldn't exist if it weren't for her being such a controversial person. It's too bad she could have had it all if she could have just controlled herself.....
"I know it was you Fredo. You broke my heart."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcFlp6kl508
"@ Lizzie,
I haven’t read the article, but both Harry and Megsy were requested not use their HRH styles post Mexit. So I’m guessing this could be why."
Thanks @RR.
That wasn't my understanding of Megxt. I thought they weren't to use HRH in money-making ventures, a request they didn't really fully heed (as their stuff is so messed up re: mixing charity and personal profit.) I never thought it was a matter of never using them. Am I totally wrong about that?
Publically they as a whole will be cordial. But PC is his Dad and with the loss of His Papa, may be more concillatory on a personal chat send pictures/zoom of Archie and baby. But i dont see him giving in to silly petulant demands or money. I think hes trying to take a tough love approach now.
PW will give him a nod much like commonwealth day. As will DC.
Sophie as well, shes close to PP and HM her sympathies lie there.
PE is amiable and may chat similar to CWDay.
The tindells, phillip and york girls are on the outside of the drama and may chat with him.
I dont think either PA will chat. Anne may nod, acknowledge hus presence.
I dont think DYSarah will be there.
But all should be on guard and watch what they say and expect to see Gayle King blather on about it Monday morning.
"Fredo, you are my older brother and I love you. But don't ever take sides with anyone against the family again."
https://youtu.be/gpztPyZ5TH0
Thanks gfbcpa!
And i think with her very touching emotional tribute to PP, she made her next move and showed shes happy with the result.
Shes a drama queen , an actress!, learned it all on her afternoons after school on set of GH! A soap opera. She's living her dream.... thriving in the turmoil she creates. A pot stirrer. People are still talking about that silly interview, waiting with baited breath for the reaction of the BRF at PP funeral. She couldnt ask for more publicity.
FULLY ARCHIVED HERE--->>>> https://archive.ph/GpF57
"Removing his HRH from the order of service (at Prince Philip's funeral day) would probably be a controversial decision, echoing the furore last March over the Sussexes’ attendance at the Commonwealth Day service at Westminster Abbey, their final engagement as working royals, when they were not included in the Queen’s procession."
said...But all should be on guard and watch what they say and expect to see Gayle King blather on about it Monday morning.
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I just don't think Gayle can do something like that again. She is suppose to be reporting the news or events. She shouldn't be personally involved in the news or events. I think her bosses gave her a warning about doing that again.
I realize CBS is a big shark in the network tank, but all the negativity surrounding what happened last month it would no longer be appropriate.
I would like to hope that all of the Royals will keep Harry at a distance just because they don't know him anymore. Being civil is one thing, getting personal is another. Not sure if you wrote it or someone else did, but until MM is out of the picture permanently (eventually) there's really nothing more that should ever be said to Harry.
Thank you. :)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9458763/Nigel-Farage-slams-Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-showing-contempt-Prince-Philip.html
That Telegraph writer, Bryony Gordon, has always been pro Sussex. She's the only one, as Camila Tominey and Celia Walden, regular columnists at The Telegraph take a dim view of the Sussexes and MM in particular.
I too am surprised how I went from sorrow to deep grief. This write up really effected me and frankly made me cry (sorry if repeat)
In instant I went from mourning a legend to mourning the man, Philip
ROYALSPublished 1 day ago
Prince Philip's last days: A blanket on his lap, the sun on his face, the Queen at his side
The Duke of Edinburgh had insisted that he would die in his own bed, a report said
Prince Philip spent much of his final days sleeping, according to a new report — but in his best waking hours, he soaked in the sun with a blanket on his lap and Queen Elizabeth at his side, according to a new report.
And she was at his bedside when his end came at Windsor Castle on Friday morning at age 99, the UK’s Telegraph reported of Philip.
The Duke of Edinburgh had insisted, according to the Telegraph, that he would die in his own bed.
"There were moments of great lucidity and joyful togetherness," even toward the end, wrote Richard Kay, Editor-at-Large at the Daily Mail and a former top royal correspondent and gossip columnist there.
He could walk, though with difficulty and using a cane.
"Occasionally, he would allow himself to be pushed in a wheelchair, but staff were very wary of suggesting it," Kay wrote.
"When it first appeared in the private rooms he shouted: ‘Get that bloody thing out of my sight,’ recalls an aide.
Philip ate little, Kay’s report said, and had discontinued the 7:30 a.m. tray of morning tea traditionally delivered to his bed by a valet or page. And he declined many of the other trays of food that would be brought up later in the day.
At the very end, his last wish was fulfilled — to die in the comforts of home, instead of in the hospital, as a royal source told The Post.
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i read about Queen Victoria ( was tring to see how Felipe of Spain and QE2 were related) and ran across her own interesting childhood. Which reminded me a little of Archie .
QV - mother, DK, brought her up under her advisors, Compton, `Kensington Plan'.
Goal was to become her Regent while under age and make V 'weak willed and in need of assistance running the country when of age`. Compton (and DK?) wanted the power and to run the country and money .
V was kept secluded and away from her BRF family.
Always had her mom, governess, or compton with her 24/7. Had to sleep in her mons room.
Had no childhood friends except comptons daughters and one other compton authorized girl.
Did have a tutor at 8 or so who sided with V.
Long story short, V became Q 2 months after turning 18 so didnt need a Regent and HATED Compton and her mother for the horrible way she was treated and brought up.
And kicked Compton out upon becoming Queen. She relagated her mom to an apartment at the end of the palace and refused to see her. Her mom ( the Real weak-willed person....AKA HARRY) was still loyal to Compton (AKA MARKLE) then. Compton eventually died in debt, but had swindled money from DK and others to live his grandiose lifstyle. QV got a little closer to her mom in much later years but the damage was done.
DK/mom- reminds me if JH. Weak-willed, easily swayed by a silver tongue, sucker,wanting someone to lead them by the nose.
Compton- Markle, silver tongue, looking for huge money and power, and a sucker to fall for her charms.
V- lets hope it never gets that far, Archie, kept away from his BRF relations, kept secluded, no friends, probably to be home schooled, knows no one except mom dad doria and a security guy. Maybe he will reject his parents like they rejected their parents?
https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210411110763/prince-harry-significant-difference-prince-philip-funeral-revealed/
Points out that Prince Harry will therefore be like Prince Andrew at the funeral. In a suit among other Windsors in uniform. An accelerant to Harry's jealousy if ever there was one! As we've said before though ... he only has himself to blame. Same with his security. I'm beginning to think this funeral is going to make the Sussex-Windsor war much worse.
From Quora, referred to me by fellow Nutty Mischief Girl. A very plausible theory as to whom “Archie” truly is. There are pictures. Scroll down to the “all about Archie” entry.
The writer and makes the claim that the child known as Archie, at least since M and H have been in North America is an LA based friend’s baby. I am uncertain that this little boy, now toddler age, has played Archie all the time. I am not convinced that this child was the one in the Duck Rabbit video... he is a very convincing stand-in for the most recent Beach running Archie, who is I believe, the same child we saw as an infant in the Bizarro GIF Christmas card of 2019.
The author theorizes that it would be entirely in keeping with Megalo’s MO that she be planning to stage a “Kidnapping of Archie “ Because sustaining the pretense that the Harkles have a growing boy with them who would be eligible for preschool next year is getting too hard to sustain. She can’t continue to borrow a friends baby forever for sporadic photo shoots, because children as they grow develop recognizable features and whichever little boy she’s been using will have little friends, probably go to daycare, his mom will have friends who recognize him, not to mention grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc. Better to wipe the slate clean and start fresh with a new baby, this time a little girl she can merch to her hearts content. Maybe she’s sourced a newborn or soon to be born girl this time and things won’t go sideways the way they did with “arch”. But— Mugsy‘s Valentine’s Day pregnancy announcement and photo spread has not garnered her the reaction from Harry’s family she was counting upon. The Oprah interview fuel is about used up as well. Now her husband is in route to England to be with his family and out of her control for more than a week. She must be sweating bullets. What better way to ensure that Harry comes home to her than to create some drama he can’t ignore? Harry’s racist family has denied them security, and left her, vulnerable and pregnant home alone with a toddler. Do we think Meg heinous enough to stage a “kidnapping” of Archie… Maybe with the embellishment that the kidnappers held her at gunpoint while they took her baby? The ensuing stress might cause her to have another “miscarriage“. She may even try to pull this stunt the day of PP’s funeral. What better final act of revenge Against the man who dismissed her as an “actress’ Not good enough for Harry to marry?
She’s gearing up for something… Why else release all of a sudden the reports that police have had to be called to mudslide towers nine times in as many months due to “security concerns “? No doubt in a scenario like this, she’d only be thinking about all of the sympathy and press attention she would get as the “distraught and grieving mother”. While I do not want PP’s funeral disrupted, I hope she does try this at some point. Because it’s not a crime to pretend that you have a child and release fake pictures of him. However, there are several dire criminal offenses inherent in staging a kidnapping and wasting police time on the subsequent inquiry. Making a false report of that magnitude is a custodial offense. It doesn’t matter if the child is a figment, because the police are obligated to investigate it as a real person. This may be what it takes for Megalo’s insanity to be revealed to the world and for Harry to extricate himself from this deal with the Devil he’s made. I know this is the mother of all tin hats, but Meg must be getting this desperate.
I think CBS likes Gayles personal comments and opinions, its one of the reasons she got, has kept and moved up in that job. Shes been a non-news personality host there for years. And that show is a Morning entertainment show, not a Hard news show. Perhaps much like Piers morning show?
It brought CBS lots of publicity, deviciness and ratings, so my guess us they would welcome with open arms more of that! Gayles probably up for a big fat bonus. LOL
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No.
For a full year they have called the RF toxic and said they had to get out of the UK for their safety.
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And so, what has changed that it is now safe to go back?
Let's hear it, H. I thought you said it had nothing to do with PP.
But he's the only thing that has changed.
and how the Sussexes polluted that time
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This just breaks my heart.
The Queen should have been focused on PP, but instead has to deal with the Harkles. The same for PC and PW.
What should have been sacred time was torched by the Harkles.
Because, of course, it's all about them.
And even now, dur8ng what should also be sacred time, is spoiled by issues with the Harkles.
I think Archie is real and that surrogacy is the most likely scenario, but she so screwed up his PR from conception onwards that no one cares about him.
She's having a second attempt now and, again, I think surrogacy most likely. She won't put a foot right with this poor baby either.
Quite apart from anything else, she'll have zero connection with the child, just like that dreadful duck rabbit video when we all caught glimpses of the real, terrifying Meghan. How can you market such a dysfunctional "mother"?
She must dread the day Archie starts talking to people properly. Maybe he'll write the ultimate exposé a few decades from now!
I want some of the grief counseling that the BBC was offering.....
Nigel summed it up nicely.
Harry in a suit with his medals IS what this mourner is expecting.
And MM - shrugs. I wish, I really wish, the media would qujit commenting about her and JCMH. This is HMTQ's loss, the Family's loss, and the Nation's loss. You would think JCMH was the only grandchild with the coverage. Just.Stop.It.
I will now cry in the shower to get it out of my system. Cyberhugs to all who mourn.
I wouldn't put it past her. You are correct that the story about police calls was put out for a reason. Who knows what it was. Maybe just trying to pressure PC for more $.
I agree with you that in some ways I kinda hope mm does try some sort of monstrous stunt, just so it becomes clear that she's insane. I really think she crossed the line into full blown insanity with the miscarriage fiasco. The fake pregnancy and fake baby was almost there, the miscarriage brought her closer to the end. The interview was the last straw. She's over the edge now.
Notice how the stunts are each more outrageous than the last, and are coming closer and closer together. She's close to a full blown psychotic break, imo.
In hindsight, think about the look on her face during the whole wedding. Psychob*tch all the way. And H knew it. He looked like a man about to be shot. He knew he was marrying a psychotic woman and didn't see his way out of it.
In fact, thanks to all of the nutties for all the info you have provided us all, and your opinions on various matters as well. They are all much appreciated.
https://miowsworld.tumblr.com/post/187050275317/ladygreyhound93-the-best-soap-opera-ever
He is wasted.
I believe they were asked to refrain from using HRH because they chose to leave as working royals . Tis why so many y feel they should have lost the titles too.
With regards to the funeral, it will be interesting to see any discernible body language from the royal family that shows them absolutely hating (or something close) Harry now.
I do like the idea of gals positive on JH. But similarly plant one or two items not in the press and see if they show up. If so family certainly cuts him out If not maybe there is a little hope
Hmmmmm I really want to see the coverage next Saturday because no one does ceremony like the Brits. For my viewing wish they could have done friday. A good Saturday with good weather I’ll likely be in the garden. This is sooooo difficult on me. 😉
Found this is, if you need a chuckle
https://twitter.com/RobertFingleton/status/1380937806168649732/photo/1
Was saddened to see news stories about Philip being taken over by the Harkles and their obvious PR about family reunions and forgiveness.
This isn't over till it's over.
Does Meghan stealthily slither into the private jet flying in Harry, unable to resist the attention, 'to be beside her husband, cast aside by family, in his moment of pain'? Who knows. Is Philip reincarnated in her womb, jostling with Diana's soul which was there first, and she goes into false labour, we need to check the script. It's on the editing table, waiting for a call from the financier.
"As part of the “Megxit” deal, Harry and Meghan also agreed not to use their HRH titles, but still retain them, meaning Harry could technically be styled without his HRH as simply “the Duke of Sussex” in the order of service for his grandfather’s funeral, a decision that is expected to be made by the Queen.
Removing his HRH from the order of service would probably be a controversial decision, echoing the furor last March over the Sussexes’ attendance at the Commonwealth Day service at Westminster Abbey, their final engagement as working royals, when they were not included in the Queen’s procession."
It will be interesting to see how this is handled. IMO he should NOT be styled as an HRH for the funeral, and because Markle will not be there to whisper petty grievances in Harry's ear working him up into a fury, he may just accept the situation like a big boy. But who knows?🤷♀️...considering how angry he was at the Commonwealth service over not being included in the procession they may want to avoid any issues and just give in to him.
Harry has a lot of life-long issues but Markle certainly turned that chip on his shoulder into a canyon.
https://formerlyroyal.tumblr.com/post/189611964051/rude-just-fucking-rude-what-can-his-pr-say-about
You quoted the pertinent paragraphs from Roya Nikka at Sunday Times, as far as Hapless being allowed to use his HRH styling at the Prince's funeral service. This will be a bit like the Gunfight at the OK Corral. Done Royal style.
I bow to your crazy.
That man is going to end up in a home.
I would not put anything past her, even a fake (?) suicide attempt.
Unless. Archie really does exist, and Markle is ashamed of him because of his looks; or, narcissist Markle is jealous of Archie because he's adorable. We really don't know what the kid looks like.
I saw the Roya article detailing Harry's return last night but Camilla Tominey had a similar one in the Telegraph and I chose hers to paste quotes from instead. There have been a lot of interesting articles but I didn't want to clog up the blog with too many.
One interesting difference to note between Camilla's and Roya's articles about Harry's big return is that Roya says he will be staying at FrogCott and Camilla claims FrogCott is no longer his home.
If Meghan is not able to fly, then why doesn’t Harry bring Archie and the nanny back to the U.K.? It’s Archie’s great grandad too.
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This is neither the time nor the please.
He is much more closely related to Philip as his mother was a Greek princess.
Also, I didn't care for the `just the three of us' comment in the interview regarding the `secret wedding'. Was it one of their dirty in-jokes? Slighting Welby?
I agree with your speculations about Archie’s being “written off” the Harkle show by Meghan (so to speak).
This just came over the wire , Meg demanding equal coverage
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/dd/aa/15/ddaa15bedf441051f4b168a004697168.gif
@Ava
The article you posted! Harry in suit! Just keeps getting better and better! No uniform certainly has to sting and I like it 😑
How about this for non-Archie unveiling. Somehow it is revealed while AoC is off reconciling, he never comes back. He is the one truly complicit, he claimed to baptize him. Could also account for secret garden meetings. The photo(s) are obvious photoshop absolving royal family. The upclose Queen photo, if not photoshopped was borrowed baby.
They hung out with no one and Archie never seen. It is plausible .Harry sent to rehab/Africa. It will in turn put end to fake baby²
This is utterly ridiculous
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/qNj6kNTSxPSWtbddM_h7RQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTcwNQ--/https://media-mbst-pub-ue1.s3.amazonaws.com/creatr-images/2019-07/6c685bd0-a005-11e9-ab8f-27eedf8980e5
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/c241Heze4m0/maxresdefault.jpg
Big caveat though is having AofC oversee Prince Philip Service. But as of right now RF "still in dark" (ironic now that I just wrote that) I think Philip would get chuckle and full on approve. How else to ever end this?
Meg loved that belly bump she could not stop, nor the attention. Today she hides. I know this is dark but maybe Oprah /her ilk were going to find baby for Meg until they discovered extent of her crazy and could not risk. Interesting one of first things Oprah says to meg on patio "you really are pregnant".
Apologies for running so of course. But if Meg was to be groomed for democratic platform via Oprah I do not see "fixing" her issue so out of realm, trust was deep enough for political platform. Dark ties all of them and Gail even seated at head table of Misha Nono wedding, having only met her couple times, what the heck.
Great story!
There was a party at Windsor Castle (Will's birthday? I forget now - computer's playing up so can't check details) gate-crashed by a comedian dressed up as Osama bin Laden in a dress.
HM assumed it was Harry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Barschak
of course she would try to outdo him! Harry has a real sense of humour (its buried deep now) but she has no sense if humour at all.
I was channel surfing looking for something when there on tge screen was Markle! Gave me quite a start.
A Hallmark channel thing.
Just her voice gives me the creeps.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9459271/Princess-Anne-pays-tribute-father-Prince-Philip.html
Perhaps when JennS gets blog running she would give consideration to carving out lil area "kooky corner" pack it full of gifs and pics of their less than stellar moments. I would definitely be game in acquiring footage for the archive. Just have to paste :)
Sorry if I offended anyone with previous post and for straying so off subject. I am now going to go run around block 4 times, backwards 🏃♀️
Sky News
Prince Philip: Countess of Wessex shares duke's final moments, saying his death was 'so gentle'
Sun, 11 April 2021, 4:03 pm
The Countess of Wessex has shared details of Prince Philip's final moments, describing his death as "very peaceful".
Sophie, who is married to the Queen's son, Prince Edward, was speaking to staff outside the Royal Chapel of All Saints in Windsor when she spoke of the duke's death.
Members of the Royal Family attended a service at the chapel on the Windsor estate on Sunday morning, however it is understood that the Queen attended a mass privately in Windsor Castle.
She said: "It was right for him and, you know, it was so gentle.
"It was like someone took him by the hand, and then he went.
"Very, very peaceful and that's all you want for somebody, isn't it?"
She added: "So I think it is so much easier for the person that goes than the people who are left behind. We are all sitting here looking at each other going 'this is awful'.
"But equally, look at all the tributes. It's just amazing."
Talking about the wave of affection for him since his death, Prince Edward said his father "always thought of others before himself" and described the tributes to him as "fantastic".
The Earl of Wessex told reporters: "It's been a bit of a shock. However much one tries to prepare oneself for something like this it's still a dreadful shock.
"And we're still trying to come to terms with that. And it's very, very sad."
He added: "It just goes to show: he might have been our father, grandfather, father-in-law, but he meant so much to so many other people."
"As always. But bearing up, and again it's just that wave of affection for him and just those lovely stories."
Prince Andrew earlier said that the Queen described her husband's death as leaving a "huge void in her life".
Paying tribute to his father, Prince Philip, the Duke of York said his death means "we've lost almost the grandfather of the nation".
"He was a remarkable man," he said, calling his death a "great loss".
He added that the Queen is "feeling it, I think, probably more than everybody else", calling her "incredibly stoic".
For harry, she will have at least a false labor report, and a break in.
@Snarkyatherbest:
In addition to false labor or a break-in attempt, she can always say Archie is sick, by turning a baby with a running nose and a diaper rash into a full-blown emergency to lure Harry back into her clutches by causing him to cut his trip short to run back to Cali.
Even if he is subjected to a barrage of phone calls and texts and perhaps a Zoom session, his return for a glimpse at his former life may awaken him as to the mistake he has made by leaving. She can’t afford him making too many trips. In addition to this one, he’ll be returning for the Diana statue unveiling for her July birthday. That’s likely two trips too many for Meghan, who doesn’t dare show her face in public in the UK.
I saw the Roya article detailing Harry's return last night but Camilla Tominey had a similar one in the Telegraph and I chose hers to paste quotes from instead. There have been a lot of interesting articles but I didn't want to clog up the blog with too many.
One interesting difference to note between Camilla's and Roya's articles about Harry's big return is that Roya says he will be staying at FrogCott and Camilla claims FrogCott is no longer his home.
OK... In my book both of the above writers are the best. They are honest, do not exaggerate, are about the facts as they humbly call them. The blogger Harry Markle is up there with them. She has been at it with M/H since the beginning. And now Harry Markle blogger is also at (additionally) substack too with solid commentators if you get bored at Nutty-Ville. Commentators who like to extend. Who wants short one liner stuff like I post, as a slow typist? I should get some dictation software. I used to see a Doc who wrote copious notes after seeing him. All via dictation software.
The various royal households tend to maintain their separation and there's traditionally a degree of ongoing rivalry according to many accounts by previous insiders. They need to guard against that and work together to face a common threat.
I hope by now the Windsors have recognised that Meghan and Harry are a serious threat, and it is surely not just Meghan who has a mental disorder. They need to have consulted mental health experts before Harry rejoins them - which I'm sure they'll have done. Especially the Cambridges. They need to present a calm united front and basically refuse to play while Harry is in their midst.
I'm sure most Nutties have read, or know of, Wuthering Heights. Remember how the adult Heathcliff systematically pinpointed each individual's weaknesses in turn. Isabella tired of being a gooseberry in her brother's house. Hindley a weak drunkard to be easily exploited, losing ownership of his home. His little boy to be brought up as a servant, for Heathcliff to use for his own ends. Cathy's daughter's good nature used to trick and imprison her. Joseph the servant's sour nature used to maintain casual neglect and cruelty in his household.
Meghan is a female Heathcliff. Taken in, out of charity, but bringing nothing but destruction. She twisted flawed Harry to her own ends and used him as a weapon against his own family.
Well, there's a passage in Wuthering Heights that keeps running through my head. When Heathcliff first returned to Wuthering Heights and began to wreak revenge, Nelly the servant wrote:
His abode at the Heights was an oppression past explaining. I felt that God had forsaken the stray sheep there to its own wicked wanderings, and an evil beast prowled between it and the fold, waiting his time to spring and destroy.
During this sad time they have to let Harry in however briefly. It feels as if he's their weak point and all the time Meghan is prowling, closer than they think. With modern technology she can, in effect, be among them if Harry is that sneaky.
This dialog ensues on Saturday or Sunday--->>>
H-- Well hello but I must be going
W and Charles - But you just got here. Relax and enjoy your real home called England
H- But I have had a break in at home, you don't cover our security, and the Docs tell her the baby is in peril
W and Charles-- You cu_t struck idiot. Can't you see she is lying to get you way from all that is familiar to you? From all that you once loved?
H--Whaaaa??
W and Charles--You can't see how she has been playing you ever since you met her?
H-- Perhaps you are right. I am going to take a long walk through the Palace's daffodil gardens.
W and Charles-- Stay 10 more days and we will get our famous Grey men and lawyers to fix and cut your UK and American taxes. The American Ben Franklin said a penny saved is a penny earned. We will also get them to restructure your trusts.
H-- I can go for this!
W and Charles--- We also have an amazing deprogrammer lined up. Think of him as your own personal Sigmund Freud.
H- I am all in if he can cure my anxiety and depression. California is so sunny it is making me ill/ And here I thought Los Angeles would be my chill place. Can you get the weatherman to make it all cloudy and drizzly the next ten days? You know, Ol' Blighty style. Can you do this?
W and Charles-- Of course we can and The Queen is moving you to your comfy Nottingham cottage while you are here for the next month or three. Doria will take care of your lying thieving wife. Meghan and her meal tickets will be in good hands.
Re your link to Quora and an Archie 'kidnapping', I remembered Charles Lindbergh. I thought he'd faked his son's kidnapping. I checked - not quite but there are theories that he was involved, even though someone was found guilty and executed. This might be worth a look:
https://www.rutgers.edu/news/was-lindbergh-kidnapping-inside-job
If only...
As His Royal Highness, The Prince Andrew, The Duke of York said today, his father was the nation's grandfather and indeed the death of the DoE put me in mind of my own father's miserable last six months (he too of the Greatest generation) but unable to return as he dearly wished, to his home, eventually to be killed courtesy of the NHS when - frail then that he was - dropped by two nurses. I am afraid that quite apart from that my opinion even before that terrible event as to the NHS was less than flattering - in fact appalling or third world would be closer to my opinion of that much-clapped institution on the basis of what I was horrified to observe. Like the rest of his generation my Father's moto was 'duty' but I have to say at least in my father's case he tended to contrive that his duty coincided with what he wanted to do and not always giving much consideration to anyone else. My mother like the Queen usually remained silent turning a blind eye. My unfortunate younger brother (who de facto had changed his surname) refused to attend the funeral. I am always in two minds: on the one hand my Father had a difficult life - not least though not necessarily worst because of the disruption to his civilian life caused by six years in The Army with occasional trips to places like Arnhem (where he carelessly lost a third of his troop he at that time being a Sergeant- I cannot even comprehend how he must have felt on the night before departure) - and did indeed do his duty; on the other hand if I walked out of his presence once I did it probably two hundred times. It is not my fault that Harold Wilson failed to send conscripted troops to Vietnam nor that I am from the make love (preferably to a female) not war generation. Nothing that I or my brother did was ever good enough. You will understand that I have considerable empathy then for the PoW.
I cannot however feel any sympathy for Prince Harry and I trust should he arrive and be let out of quarantine that he is promptly taken away to a secure location and never allowed to return to Califonia; for his own good of course.
@Hiraki kidnapping theory is certainly possible but FBI involved and lie detectors. Tall order for Megs she couldn't even successfully act pregnant. Not sure she could bat her eyes or belly rub her way through intense interrogation. Sure would be fun to watch her try!
Pretty certain it was WBBM who posted earlier article stating Meg was going to after Piers. LOL I hope for Meg's sake it is lame attempt to insert herself into news. She should be thanking the stars he took it rather easy on her after hypocritical silencing over at ITV. You know he knows far more he has ever let on. Nearly willing her to continue that avenue in quest for headlines.
CDAN comments were colorful to say the least. Those blinds have Megs all over them. Acting as though BFF with cousins is particularly vile, casting illusion of whispers and insider intel. Had they performed their duties from onset with any sort of integrity they could have , maybe even by this time,resettled in California with actual brand and some respect. Colossal fail and deservedly so.
“. . . it is thought he is keen to spend some time with the Queen while he is in the UK.”
I hope to God that Harry is never left alone with HM.
DM says H was spotted at Heathrow. Does it mean he flew commercial?
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Must have done. The info in the DM, however, is incorrect. The flight is operated by American Airlines. Also:
'The Duke of Sussex was reportedly seen leaving his £11million California mansion on Saturday night in a black Cadillac Escalade to board an early-hours flight from LA' (DM)
I worked out that a 10 hour flight, with LA being 8 hours behind the UK, would have left at roughly 7 pm. I checked and there is a BA flight (operated by AA) that leaves LAX at 6.30 pm. So I'm not sure what they're on about with their 'early-hours flight'.
But it doesn't matter, at least there was no sight of MM.
Harry The Heartless
https://harrymarkle.wordpress.com/2021/04/11/harry-the-heartless/
He also regretted his grandson's decision to quit royal duties and move to the US and said it was 'not the right thing, either for the country or for themselves'.
Ultimately, however, he accepted it and said: 'It's his life.'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9459845/GYLES-BRANDRETH-says-Duke-Edinburgh-sympathised-Harry-Meghan-thought-wrong.html
I was wondering what Harry was going to do about his private security. Is he paying their flights and expenses? Did he decide to leave them behind? Might be another reason they haven't travelled this year.
What do you think of that article on PP's thoughts re Harry's decision?
It feels like they are trying to reduce the impact the Harkles' recent behavior has had on the family.
I thought that Rebecca English was usually trustworthy but that story feels manipulative. And I notice that they don't confirm that Philip actually watched the interview. I'm sure the family tried to keep the details from him so the article is pointless if PP made comments not understanding how bad the content of the interview was.
At first I thought maybe the article came from MM but I don't know if Rebecca English would work with her likethis. It's puzzling...unless the RF wants this narrative out there.
No?
I 'm not surprised.
In my attempted kidnap scenario, Meg would not succeed. She might try, banking on her what she thinks are impeccable acting skills, Persuasiveness, her “victimhood” and celebrity to make the authorities and press deferential. After all, if she didn’t actually present a baby to the queen 2 years ago and has been faking it ever since, Thanks to a complicit media, and a royal family who has said nothing to dispute her story, she’s got most of the world convinced that she is a vulnerable young mother of a two-year-old just about ready to pop with the second baby. Her story would come off the rails at the beginning as soon as the police asked for a recent picture of Archie, a description of what he was last wearing, and a personal item with his DNA on it.
When a minor child goes missing, any investigator will tell you that the parents are always the prime suspects. I think if she tried this her story would fall apart after a single interview when she couldn’t produce the above mentioned items. Being as she is a celebrity, the cops may not prosecute a malicious time waster, But if it got out that Archie was “missing” Even for a brief time, and then miraculously found unharmed… Or if some harm should come to him while Harry is out of the country, There will be increased scrutiny on Meg and her elusive child, especially seeing as she has self admitted to suicidal ideation just a couple of weeks ago.
I have always thought Archie would be her downfall; I still think so, in tandem with what other Pseudo baby project she’s cooking up right now.
If H flew to Heathrow on a commercial flight, and wasn’t able to get a compassionate jet loaner from Oprah or another of her pals for the purposes of going home to bury Philip, that might be read as a sign that Oprah and the rest of the Hollywood cohort are distancing themselves. I think it really is only a matter of time that the Narc implodes completely. The recently release statement that the couple plants to take a much deserved break when the baby is born, a break from the big nothing burger they’ve been doing for the last year and a half, to bond with their baby Might actually be a clue that they have been released from the Netflix and Spotify contacts and Harry’s one day stInt as chief impact officer of ButterUp is over. I hope they both die in the wilderness but before they do it will be revealed that they are childless and Douglas, with nothing except debts and acrimony to their name.Iuu
Philip was always straight to the point and forthright and knew the interview was a mistake. He saw what happened after the Diana interview. The article doesn't mention whether he actually saw it but I don't get the impression he did. He knew it would be a lot of tripe.
Philip wasn't against interviews per se but interviews where the interviewees talk about themselves. I think he didn't condemn the duo but he understood their situation:
'But Philip was sympathetic to Harry's distrust of the media and supportive of his desire to 'do his own thing in his own way'.
'He said to me: 'People have got to lead their lives as they think best',' Mr Brandreth said.'
This sounds generous but at the same time, it sounds to me like ' if they want to do an interview, then that's their own business'. In other words, do what you want, it's your problem. I don't think he approved but probably knew it would be pointless to offer any advice.
Great theory around the planted seeds of ‘we need a long break from life’ later this year. I read that the Met Gala is rescheduled for September, and I doubt they’d be invited. A bunch of lesser knowns are invited, but their careers have an upwards trajectory. It’s Anna’s time to pick The Who’s who and who’s next crowd. It would be shameful if they appeared there. Notice we haven’t seen Megs or Harry in Vogue recently, not even issues abroad.
They might also be signaling that Phantom Baby #2 hasn’t been given any offers or photo spreads and to get in front of it ‘we were on a family break’. Personally, if they have kids at all, I don’t think Harry would allow them to be merched. They have to keep up the ‘privacy’ pretense.
It’s all so silly. I used to take my kids to Princess Di playground in Hyde park and quite frequently there would be foreign dignitaries’ children present with their security (sans parent, with nannies). Why don’t we see Archie anywhere with his security detail? Why isn’t Archie in the UK to see family and cousins right now with Harry?
I think a co-passenger spilled the Harry on BA at Heathrow tea. I doubt Meghan wanted it to get out that they didn’t fly private. Looks like their favors from friends have run out.
Perhaps the palace is afraid he will be booed and reaction to him will cause an interruption to the procession/service in some way.
I find that to be very sad. Although I don't like to see whitewashing of the Harkles deeds, I do hope the funeral can be held without any problems.
It is supposedly taking place entirely within the grounds of Windsor castle. Does anyone know how close the public would be able to get to any part of the activities?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9459995/He-treated-equal-Former-scrap-dealer-friends-Prince-Philip-40-years.html
'He treated me as an equal': Former scrap dealer who was friends with Prince Philip for 40 years pays tribute to the duke's down-to-earth nature
A former scrap dealer who was friends with Prince Philip for 40 years has told how the duke would always treat him as an equal.
George Bowman was a rival of Philip when they competed in the Lowther Carriage Driving Trials in Cumbria.
The unlikely pair became friends during Philip's annual visits and would drink and chat over a barbecue, the 84-year-old said.
He told ITV News: 'He was a man I respected. I came from humble beginnings, I was a scrap dealer, and through the horses I climbed my way up the ladder.
'He always treated me with great respect and treated me as equal. And that's what I admired about him.'
Wiping away tears, Mr Bowman added: 'I cry even talking about it. He was a great man.'
The Duke of Edinburgh visited Lowther Castle almost every year between 1973 and 2008 for the three-day carriage driving event.
A pioneer of the sport, he represented Great Britain in three European Championships and six World Championships.
In the early years, his main rival was Penrith local Mr Bowman, who was once world carriage driving champion.
Mr Bowman said: 'We were friends, we would have a drink and a chat and do barbecues.' He added: 'When he was older he still attended as a judge and spectator. He had a great sense of humour.
'He liked a pint of beer and would tell a few jokes. He was a very good sport.'"
Thanks for the reply - I wrote my last comment on the article before I saw your response. Yes, I don't think PP knew about the content of the interview, at least at the time he spoke to the author and I agree with your take on Philip's attitude. I wonder what he would have said if he knew the Sussexes threw the family under the bus. I recall it was said he was so angry at the Megxit 'summit' that he left not wanting to see Harry. I also remember there was a rumor that Philip slapped Harry at some point during this whole Markle Debacle but I don't recall when that happened.
I do think there is an ulterior motive of sorts behind this and similar articles that have been written over the last couple of days.😁
Going back to my alliance blind item, it is pretty telling that, at least according to the two cousins, they were the first people the ginger haired one reached out to after news of the family death.
https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2021/04/blind-item-5_11.html
“Blind Item #5
Going back to my alliance blind item, it is pretty telling that, at least according to the two cousins, they were the first people the ginger haired one reached out to after news of the family death.“
I’m sorry I just don’t believe this. When I saw the article in DM yesterday, I swore up and down it was a plant by Megsy. That article did more than just try to convince us that the Harkles were buddy-buddy with the York sisters. I also think it was a sly dig at Prince William.
I believe Hapless may have spoken with his cousins. I believe the family has drawn a temporary cease fire to honor The DoE and support HM. I do not believe that all is forgiven. I don’t think there will be a permanent thaw.
Despite their parents, B&E appear to have turned out pretty well. I think they are devoted to the grandparents and would never just forgive and forget the pain caused by the Dipsh*t Duo.
As for William, I hope he scarfs Hapless all the way back to LA. Sorry, Hazza. You put Kate and the kiddos in the line of fire via the sugars. Gonna be a long uphill climb to fix that.
Not just to the grandparents but to them at a wedding. You could say that it was not just to the bride but also to everyone who was trying to help her make it a beautiful wedding in the style of how the family does weddings.
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Dog less not Douglas!
Doug less?
So do they have jammers or a cell phone cubby to collect someone’s cell phone ahead of the service?
Will someone only bring back his light grey suit and brown shoes ans his military uniform and say day of oops My bad I forgot to bring a dark suit. Guess I’m wearing this. He lives with Megs he could have picked up a thing or two.
I just had an ugly thought. Will something happen to Pula while he’s gone. Dog knapped hit by a pap or ran out of the house and never found. She’s a narc she will f with him on this
Kidnapping. Well if the kid doesn’t exist and is not with them how can he be kidnapped. Who do you report it to? No kid no crime. Well at least not that crime.
I still think there will be a tidbit or two the family will let Harry know about and if it shows up in the media they will know he can’t be trusted further. Let him keep digging that hole.
Fly commercial. Yeah I think it would be hard to have a private jet because the pilot would have to quarantine and couldn’t return right away given the length of flight to even get back to New York. Not sure commercial flights are that crowded these days. Oh there are bereavement fares. Not sure how that worked during covid id airlines have begun discounting again. (They used to and then the 2-3 years before covid it became harder).
Hoping the don’t let him alone with the queen. Hope Charles lays into him if he asks for anything while he is there. Dude lost his dad and may be ascending to the throne the next year or two.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9459249/Mourners-split-pregnant-Meghan-Markle-fly-Prince-Philips-funeral.html
It discusses a small spot poll on if Meghan should come to the UK for the funeral. Tepid responses, in fact, mostly sympathetic to the couple. This one's a plant for sure.
Such impersonal formality is fastidiously correct, But it’s jarring because where William and Harry are concerned, the reading public is very accustomed to a more casual form of address for them. I feel like the British papers maybe under strict instruction to keep to these titles to avoid fanning the flames of H’s butthurtness over the differences in status between he and William—Which is only been further widened due to his own arse hat behavior. They are both royal Dukes and it feels like someone somewhere is going out of their way to keep things is even between the brothers in coverage as can be accommodated. Whether they accorded William more formality with his HRH, or exhibited more warmth toward him with the easy familiarity of using his first name, Notice would be taken by a party who is Becoming well-versed in accumulating personal grievances over minutae. He’s learned from the best… Or rather I should say the worst.
@Mel. Your comments were a perfect fit for me tonight, and always. You summed it up perfectly I’ve always thought M. a diabolical, manipulative, cm Ning, ruthless bitch. But now, I agree with you. She is batshit crazy. She will stop at nothing. She has stopped at nothing, she’s on a perpetual escalator that’s gaining speed.
What’s incredible to me is the number of people on her side, who cannot see what she is! It’s so obvious.
And she would, and perhaps will, make a travesty of this epic funeral. It’s sickening to me that the press lay this card. What’s it got to do with them..the Fuxxixers? Nothing. Absolutely nothing,
Harry doesn’t deserve to to attend. Were I Philip, I would have asked him to stay away. Why come in death, when you cannot see another in life? I just don’t understand...
That a great man’s death, a grieving old woman’s sorrow be tainted by the likes of these two despicable leaves me without words.well, there are words. But not here.
Interestingly, I went to check AA.com for their flight schedule and pricing on LAX-Heathrow. I found the same BA flight from above and by booking it on AA the price point is only $5385 for a first class seat. Just crazy that by booking on a partner site one can save $2k for the same seat.
`I believe the interview is planned for this week while he is home for the funeral. Doesn't that seem like Harry and MM are taking advantage of the situation?
Yes, utterly sickening and totally exploitative. At least the news has come out in advance and the RF may be able to be prepared. God willing.
Who will touch it, though? Bradby must be livid about Wills cutting him off, if he does something this stupid. Even if it is a tribute to to Harry's grandfather, pure and simple, it won't do either of them any good if they cut in front of Wm & Catherine.
Make that 2 black eyes, then, if not 4.
Bristling tensions with Prince Harry remain, but Royal family will wear the mask of unity at Duke’s funeral
`Prince Harry will reunite with his family for the first time in more than a year, but how warm is his welcome likely to be?
The subtle briefings were designed to give Prince Harry the softest possible landing on his arrival back in the UK ahead of his beloved grandfather’s funeral on Saturday.
From sources suggesting he was “united in grief” with the rest of the Royal family following the death of the Duke of Edinburgh, to the couple’s unofficial spokesman Omid Scobie insisting – should anyone be in doubt – that “Harry was incredibly close to Philip”, the Sussex spin machine was in evidence as the displaced Prince prepared for his first transatlantic flight in 13 months... '
It is no secret that the Royal family were left universally shellshocked by the couple’s interview with Oprah Winfrey last month...
Harry’s suggestion that Charles and the Duke of Cambridge felt “trapped” in the monarchy is also believed to have caused deep offence... – not to mention the fact that the two-hour televised tell-all was broadcast to the world while Prince Philip, 99, was still undergoing treatment in hospital.
With subsequent phone calls between the royal brothers and between Harry and his father described as “unproductive” by Gayle King, the US TV anchor and a friend of the Sussexes, bristling tensions still remain.
`The fragile situation was certainly not helped by the statement issued via the Sussexes’ Archewell website on Friday reacting to Duke’s death...the brevity of the message raised eyebrows behind palace gates – as well as the misjudged timing.
As one royal insider explained: “There’s a natural order here and they just ignored it by putting their own statement out, without telling anyone, before the Prince of Wales had even issued a response. Quite a few people read it and thought: “Is that all they’ve got to say?
... Although Mr Scobie insisted that Meghan “had made every effort to travel but unfortunately she did not receive medical clearance,” it is thought the American former actress was highly unlikely to attend for fear of proving too much of a distraction. (Me: Since when has that bothered her?)Thought to be due to give birth to their second child, a girl, as early as next month, the Duchess will remain in Montecito with their son Archie, 23 months...
The pandemic prevented Harry from returning to his homeland to see his beloved grandfather before his death. (Me: Really?)The soon-to-be father-of-two will no doubt be keen to ensure that problems that have plagued the patrimonial ties Philip held so dear do not end up becoming endemic.(Me: As if...)
Apologies if my punctuation and spacing aren't quite right.
It's been snowing in Windsor - perhaps the Pathetic Fallacy doesn't exist after all?